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Classic Demogorge vs DP Tyrant


all out fight....

the fight takes palce in Space

so on who is your bet on? The eater of Gods and Demons or The guy that made Thanos and SilverSurfer look Bad?..

Say Demogorge he is more powerful of the two and Atum doesnt' fight. Demogorge wins he literally ate all the gods and couldn't be stopped.

Tyrant.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Tyrant. ...

If your going to say Tyrant say some proof atleast, if not your votes don't really count your just saying his name.

Classic Demogorge beat/killed/ate multiple skyfather-level beings.

DP Tyrant failed to put down a sub-skyfather who wasn't even trying to win (Thanos.)

That's my reasoning for saying, Demogorge FTW. Effortlessly.

ABC logic. Demogorge ate all the sky father, Odin nearly killed Thanos when Thanos came to ask for Help, Tyrant couldn't really even kill Thanos just scratch his uniform.
Demogorge> Odin? Thanos.

Since Demogorge's big power is to eat other gods, saying that he beat god X and is therefore more powerful is like using DP Tyrants ability to absorb BSE to say that he is more powerful than Galactus. For some reason, Thanos' fights against Odin and Tyrant are frequently misrepresented, probably because the writing was pretty crappy in both of them (I think Thanos was amped in the Tyrant fight, but the writing was self-contradictory and it can be argued either way). Tyrant one-shotted BRB pretty effortlessly, which I think is more impressive than Odin one-shotting Drax. More importantly though, Odin's initial attacks on Thanos were far less powerful than Tyrant's, and even when Odin busts out Gungnir he does less damage to regular Thanos than Tyrant does to an amped one.

Finally, unlike Tyrant, Demogorge DOES have low-end feats. His performance in the God Squad, as many have remarked was less than awe-inspiring (even if, as usual, he looked pretty damn cool). The only fight we've seen Tyrant in where it looked like he might lose was with a full-fed Galactus, and yet he was able to turn things to his advantage.

Originally posted by Simbon
Since Demogorge's big power is to eat other gods, saying that he beat god X and is therefore more powerful is like using DP Tyrants ability to absorb BSE to say that he is more powerful than Galactus. For some reason, Thanos' fights against Odin and Tyrant are frequently misrepresented, probably because the writing was pretty crappy in both of them (I think Thanos was amped in the Tyrant fight, but the writing was self-contradictory and it can be argued either way). Tyrant one-shotted BRB pretty effortlessly, which I think is more impressive than Odin one-shotting Drax. More importantly though, Odin's initial attacks on Thanos were far less powerful than Tyrant's, and even when Odin busts out Gungnir he does less damage to regular Thanos than Tyrant does to an amped one.

Finally, unlike Tyrant, Demogorge DOES have low-end feats. His performance in the God Squad, as many have remarked was less than awe-inspiring (even if, as usual, he looked pretty damn cool). The only fight we've seen Tyrant in where it looked like he might lose was with a full-fed Galactus, and yet he was able to turn things to his advantage.

Of course he has low end feats because he was rewritten in a new comic. Tyrant only had one little series to have no low end feats. Eevn Thanos low end feats are horrible like squirrel girl defeating him. Odin was able to bring Thanos down in there fight. I think Thanos even admits he can't eat Odin all of them really. BRB getting knocked out and Drax is kind of even both ways. Drax has taken hits from Thanos with the cosmic cube and destroyed planets.

Also Odin says how Thanos in there fight taps into his limiteless power source as well.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=443095&pagenumber=1

Thanos WAS AMPED + upgrades when he fought Tyrant. The Thanos that fought Odin was much much much weaker.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Thanos WAS AMPED + upgrades when he fought Tyrant.
Amped by what? Knowledge...?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Thanos WAS AMPED + upgrades when he fought Tyrant. The Thanos that fought Odin was much much much weaker. So What?.. even if those upgrades make thanos Odins equal( am I sounding like quan.. ) Demogorge makes all Skyfathers look like ants...

Originally posted by kakuzu
ABC logic. Demogorge ate all the sky father, Odin nearly killed Thanos when Thanos came to ask for Help, Tyrant couldn't really even kill Thanos just scratch his uniform.
Demogorge> Odin? Thanos.

someone got pwn'd. and i don't have eny idea who that might be . . .

Luckily, my superpower as Captain Oblivious prevents me from understanding clever plays on words.

Captain Oblivious, awaaayyy!!!

Originally posted by Enyalus
Luckily, my superpower as Captain Oblivious prevents me from understanding clever plays on words.

Captain Oblivious, awaaayyy!!!



actually you didn't. i didn't even understand what the heck he was saying!

and you're right--based on feats, atum ftw.

Demogorge shouldnt be to far from galactus just look.
elder god>Skyfather
sky fathers are galaxy busters, imagine what elder gods can do(universe busting?)
demogorge>elder gods>skyfather
a hungry galactus stalemated an elder god
with all of this ill say demogorge is like a 65-70% galactus

Galactus doesn't have a limit in his hunger, and the less hungry he is the more powerful he is.

and after elder gods there are always cube beings, celestials, low abstracts etc. Galactus is up there with the other big 2

Originally posted by galactusischere
Thanos WAS AMPED + upgrades when he fought Tyrant. Nah.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah.
I don't exactly remember but Thanos was somehow cheating, was he not?

Originally posted by galactusischere
I don't exactly remember but Thanos was somehow cheating, was he not? He stole an orb from Tyrant's ship which contained knowledge pertaining to Tyrant himself -- no amps/upgrades/cheats were ever mentioned, though.

Listen to Galan when he drops knowledge. The man speaks truth.

Wel..that's what I meant by "cheat", knowledge is power after all

The Orb was also said to contain the power drained from Morg; the trouble is that the status of the orb was portrayed very inconsistently. On the one hand, it was very clear that Thanos was getting the orb to access Morg's power; on the other hand, Morg was also shown as being re-powered, so that doesn't really make sense; on the other hand, the art in the fight (power aura around the orb) suggests Thanos DID draw power from the orb; yet, on the other hand, Thanos later states that the Orb contains knowledge. It is very badly written, and unfortunately this fight, like the Thanos fight with Odin, tends to get used a lot when trying to establish power hierarchies. My own feeling is that Thanos was amped, but the writing was inconsistent enough that I think the other view (that it only contained knowledge) is completely valid too.

Originally posted by Simbon
The Orb was also said to contain the power drained from Morg; the trouble is that the status of the orb was portrayed very inconsistently. On the one hand, it was very clear that Thanos was getting the orb to access Morg's power; on the other hand, Morg was also shown as being re-powered, so that doesn't really make sense; on the other hand, the art in the fight (power aura around the orb) suggests Thanos DID draw power from the orb; yet, on the other hand, Thanos later states that the Orb contains knowledge. It is very badly written, and unfortunately this fight, like the Thanos fight with Odin, tends to get used a lot when trying to establish power hierarchies. My own feeling is that Thanos was amped, but the writing was inconsistent enough that I think the other view (that it only contained knowledge) is completely valid too.
In other issues of Cosmic Powers Unlimited it's expounded upon that those orbs contain knowledge and nothing but knowledge (they're called Tyrant's knowledge orbs, even...), and the big T has hundreds/thousands of them.

That's why we know with certainty, in hindsight, that Thanos was simply armed with...knowledge.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In other issues of Cosmic Powers Unlimited it's expounded upon that those orbs contain knowledge and nothing but knowledge (they're called Tyrant's knowledge orbs, even...), and the big T has hundreds/thousands of them.

That's why we know with certainty, in hindsight, that Thanos was simply armed with...knowledge.

Knowledge can be a way to attain greater power, as Korvac clearly showed.

Besides that I agree with Simbon, the portrations of the orb was hardly consistant, if the orb contained nothing but knowledge I find it strange that Thanos would utilize it as he did against Tyrant, but that is just my opinion.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In other issues of Cosmic Powers Unlimited it's expounded upon that those orbs contain knowledge and nothing but knowledge (they're called Tyrant's knowledge orbs, even...), and the big T has hundreds/thousands of them.

That's why we know with certainty, in hindsight, that Thanos was simply armed with...knowledge.

problem with that stance--though i agree with it in hindsight--is the clear depiction of the battle's dramatic turn once he got the orb. i still say that when the battle was originally depicted, the orb DID amp him. that was later retconned though by the cosmic powers book.

Yeah it really did look like the orbs amped his blasts

tyrant

Originally posted by leonidas
problem with that stance--though i agree with it in hindsight--is the clear depiction of the battle's dramatic turn once he got the orb.
Thanos never battled Tyrant prior to having the orb though, so how was there a 'dramatic turn once he got' it?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Demogorge shouldnt be to far from galactus just look.
elder god>Skyfather
sky fathers are galaxy busters, imagine what elder gods can do(universe busting?)
demogorge>elder gods>skyfather
a hungry galactus stalemated an elder god
with all of this ill say demogorge is like a 65-70% galactus

Dude where are you getting this crap from, Atum is no were near Galactus in power hell a wakened Galactus destroyed 3 solar systems with a burst of rage. Atum would get punk'ed by cube beings and above.


Atum eats Tyrant!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Dude where are you getting this crap from, Atum is no were near Galactus in power hell a wakened Galactus destroyed 3 solar systems with a burst of rage. Atum would get punk'ed by cube beings and above.


Atum eats Tyrant!
3 solar system? did you even read the post? sky fathers are galaxy busters, elder gods are multi versal/dimensional beings, atum being at the top shouldnt be THAT far from galactus.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
3 solar system? did you even read the post? sky fathers are galaxy busters, elder gods are multi versal/dimensional beings, atum being at the top shouldnt be THAT far from galactus.


Galactus did that being severely weakened, Atum is no where near Galactus you are speculating because sky-fathers can destroy galaxies, So has Galactus battling Tyrant so what's your point? Galactus stated by Watcher and Eternity Galactus has enough power too destroy the universe 10x over. Atum would get butt f**Ked by Galactus and anybody else in between.


Atum is good but not that good. MM well written will murder Atum.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Galactus did that being severely weakened, Atum is no where near Galactus you are speculating because sky-fathers can destroy galaxies, So has Galactus battling Tyrant so what's your point? Galactus stated by Watcher and Eternity Galactus has enough power too destroy the universe 10x over. Atum would get butt f**Ked by Galactus and anybody else in between.


Atum is good but not that good. MM well written will murder Atum. pre retcon MM? yes post hell no, post retcon got owned by sentry atum would murder him.
Atum>>Odin>>>Sentry>>MM

Well written post-retcon MM is still somewhere above cube being level and acknowledged by LT to be one of the most powerful beings in existence, blah blah blah.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well written post-retcon MM is still somewhere above cube being level and acknowledged by LT to be one of the most powerful beings in existence, blah blah blah. Well written sentry is galactus level. Well writtin odin is omnipotent. whats your point?(also this was around the same time post retcon MM was well written)

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Well written sentry is galactus level. Well writtin odin is omnipotent. whats your point?(also this was around the same time post retcon MM was well written)
You're confusing 'well written' with 'hyperbole.'

And newer stories suggest that Nate Grey helped Sentry "stalemate" Galactus, supposedly.

Spiderman doesn't know what hes talking about about the Galactus-Sentry incident.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Spiderman doesn't know what hes talking about about the Galactus-Sentry incident. not really. the people who created sentry wanted him to be a galactus level being, he was supposed to be the wrath of Toaa like spectre, untill they changed everything

Please quit making things up.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Please quit making things up. actually im not making this up
i dont even like sentry...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
not really. the people who created sentry wanted him to be a galactus level being, he was supposed to be the wrath of Toaa like spectre, untill they changed everything Im glad they didn't do that..

Originally posted by Enyalus
In other issues of Cosmic Powers Unlimited it's expounded upon that those orbs contain knowledge and nothing but knowledge (they're called Tyrant's knowledge orbs, even...), and the big T has hundreds/thousands of them.

That's why we know with certainty, in hindsight, that Thanos was simply armed with...knowledge.

If it only contained knowledge, why did Thanos try to smack Tyrant in the head with it?

Originally posted by K Von Doom
If it only contained knowledge, why did Thanos try to smack Tyrant in the head with it?
He wanted to give his fist a break? Why do people normally use blunt instruments to hit others with?

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to shoot energy blasts through an orb containing...knowledge:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2385/thanostyrant3de0.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
pre retcon MM? yes post hell no, post retcon got owned by sentry atum would murder him.
MM>>Atum>>Odin>>>Sentry

Anbody can beat a passive limited Molecule Man, Evil Molecule Man full potential will wreck Atum, Odin, Sentry and the whole damn universe.


Post MM is still one of the most powerful beings, dude nearly killed Beyonder, there battle was going to collapse multiverse on top of itself.

Evil Molcecule Man>>>>>>> Galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atum>>> Odin


The Real Molecule man
(nearly collapsed the Multi-verse)

Owen Reece in NOT a Cosmic Cube anymore.


His power has reached a potential that seems to rival Pre-retcon Molecule Man.

Owen Reece has TWO personalities, a passive limited side that makes him:

"One of the MOST Powerful beings in the Universe" as stated by the Living Tribunal himself.

Finally Molecule Man is calmed down and Owen is able to take control again, he reverts back to passive, limited Owen Reece

"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"

Owen Reece's OTHER side is the unlimited potential personified that he has.
This other side is called Molecule Man...and this is what that looks like.

Owen Reece (POST-Molecule Man)...becomes Evil Molecule Man



Molecule Man's power, has FAR greater potential than any Cosmic Cube or even the Beyonder.


Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man not to kill the Beyonder, and to spare his Reality, (the Multi-verse)

Originally posted by the Darkone
Anbody can beat a passive limited Molecule Man, Evil Molecule Man full potential will wreck Atum, Odin, Sentry and the whole damn universe.


Post MM is still one of the most powerful beings, dude nearly killed Beyonder, there battle was going to collapse multiverse on top of itself.

Evil Molcecule Man>>>>>>> Galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atum>>> Odin

One of the most powerful IN the universe. Within time and space. So that still means that he is below big E, I, and G. And meh, anyone can nearly destroy the marvel multi-verse nowdays. Odin shook the multi-verse by dying..
the rest of ur post I agree with though. Evil MM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atum>>Odin

Originally posted by Simbon
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to shoot energy blasts through an orb containing...knowledge:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2385/thanostyrant3de0.jpg

There is ofcause also the possibility that whatever power the orb contained was depleted during the fight with Tyrant and what was left was a "husk" containing knowledge.

I am pretty sure orb contained also some power. Firstly, it seemed that way, secondly it was only chance for Thanos to stand some chance against DP Tyrant.

does atum get the orb?

look at these scans (note these guys are vastly powerful in there realms, presumely low fed galactus levels)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153614-thor_annual_1982__010_17.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153612-thor_annual_1982__010_18.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153611-thor_annual_1982__010_19.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153610-thor_annual_1982__010_20.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/1153606-thor_annual_1982__010_21.jpg

i doubt tyrant can do this, mephisto stalemated galactus there too

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i doubt tyrant can do this, mephisto stalemated galactus there too
Well you're right on the first count. Demogorge absolutely stomps DP Tyrant. But on the second count...SS has beaten Mephisto in his own realm. So...

No. None of them except perhaps Meph could dare to challenge Galactus.

DP Tyrant wins this.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well you're right on the first count. Demogorge absolutely stomps DP Tyrant. But on the second count...SS has beaten Mephisto in his own realm. So... PIS

Originally posted by galactusischere
No. None of them except perhaps Meph could dare to challenge Galactus.

DP Tyrant wins this. NO....bangin

I win easily.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
PIS
I doubt that. Stan Lee wrote it himself. That's A-grade canon right there.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I win easily. he was tanking multiple galaxy busting shots easily..

Originally posted by Enyalus
I doubt that. Stan Lee wrote it himself. That's A-grade canon right there. Stan Lee is GAY...Jumpy