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Darkseid goes to another dimmension wanting to enslave it unfortunately he runs into apoc who wins
a couple hours prep time

Apoc can use those few hours to prepare a coffin for himself.

Darkseid stomps.

Apocalypse grows bo be 1000 feet tall and then crushes Darkseid. As for the OE, Apoc can teleport and has nearly inpenetrable foce-fields. And don't forget shape shifting of the highest level possible.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse grows bo be 1000 feet tall and then crushes Darkseid. As for the OE, Apoc can teleport and has nearly inpenetrable foce-fields. And don't forget shape shifting of the highest level possible.
facepalm

Ds wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds wins.
^Even he understands it.

When Darkseid shows the ability to create mini dimensions(Ages of Apocalypse, The Twelve), THEN facepalm my post.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
When Darkseid shows the ability to create mini dimensions(Ages of Apocalypse, The Twelve), THEN facepalm my post.
Even the weakest New Gods can create pocket Universes.

Scan?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse grows bo be 1000 feet tall and then crushes Darkseid. As for the OE, Apoc can teleport and has nearly inpenetrable foce-fields. And don't forget shape shifting of the highest level possible.

LOL Darkseid can increase his size and teleport too. And he's physically powerful enough to hand Superman his ass multiple times.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apoc can use those few hours to prepare a coffin for himself.

Darkseid stomps.
idk about a darkseid stomp it would be close but apoc get the edge in my opinion

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
LOL Darkseid can increase his size and teleport too. And he's physically powerful enough to hand Superman his ass multiple times.
true but apoc can handle all of the xmen

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Scan?
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Originally posted by king carnage
true but apoc can handle all of the xmen

All the X-Men < Superman. Darkseid can also resurrect the dead at will and send people into the past.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
All the X-Men < Superman. Darkseid can also resurrect the dead at will and send people into the past.

Umm no.

Jean Grey >>>>>>>>> Superman.

Apoc defeated 80s Jean.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Umm no.

Jean Grey >>>>>>>>> Superman.

Apoc defeated 80s Jean.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow


And also in 2000(The Twelve).

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And also in 2000(The Twelve).

How is that more impressive than beating the Legion of Superheroes (and this version of Darkseid was a weaker, older version of his usual self)?

This thread is absolutely farcical. Even if Apoc was close to DS's superior in terms of power (spoiler alert: he's not) there's the dimension of prep in this battle. Darkseid can do much more with prep than Apoc can.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This thread is absolutely farcical. Even if Apoc was close to DS's superior in terms of power (spoiler alert: he's not) there's the dimension of prep in this battle. Darkseid can do much more with prep than Apoc can.

Riiight.

Because we all know that Apokoliptian tech is superior to celestial tech am i rite?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
How is that more impressive than beating the Legion of Superheroes (and this version of Darkseid was a weaker, older version of his usual self)?

It is indeed much more impressive.
Think about it, Rachel Phoenix >= Starving Galactus
Jean Phoenix > Rachel Phoenix >= Starving Galactus
Thus Jean Grey Phoenix = Hungry Galactus at least.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This thread is absolutely farcical. Even if Apoc was close to DS's superior in terms of power (spoiler alert: he's not) there's the dimension of prep in this battle. Darkseid can do much more with prep than Apoc can.
i think prep works equal both ways they both usually dominate with prep time

Apocalypse was amped in both Ages of Apocalypse, and The Twelve.

DS wins easily 10/10

Darkseid. That's pretty much thread.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Riiight.

Because we all know that Apokoliptian tech is superior to celestial tech am i rite?



It is indeed much more impressive.
Think about it, Rachel Phoenix >= Starving Galactus
Jean Phoenix > Rachel Phoenix >= Starving Galactus
Thus Jean Grey Phoenix = Hungry Galactus at least.

Indeed.

Apokoliptian tech is actually superior. Genesis Box and Boom Tube much?

Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Apokoliptian tech is actually superior. Genesis Box and Boom Tube much?

And how are they superior to celestial tech may I ask?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apocalypse was amped in both Ages of Apocalypse, and The Twelve.

He amped himself via his own powerset. Something he can do here with CIS and PIS off. Plus he has prep with his tech.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And how are they superior to celestial tech may I ask?

The Genesis Box can reduce the universe to pure energy and rebuild it. Boom Tubes allow the New Gods to travel between dimensions, cross interstellar distances, and even travel through time. Must I show scans showing what Metron's chair alone is capable of?

What does Apoc's Celestial tech allow him to do?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The Genesis Box can reduce the universe to pure energy and rebuild it. Boom Tubes allow the New Gods to travel between dimensions, cross interstellar distances, and even travel through time. Must I show scans showing what Metron's chair alone is capable of?

What does Apoc's Celestial tech allow him to do?

And how are they comparable to celestial tech? Tech that is only second to Galactus's?

He defeated an abstract via his tech.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And how are they comparable to celestial tech? Tech that is only second to Galactus's?

He defeated an abstract via his tech.

Oh look, you failed to answer the question. I gave you examples of the type of tech Darkseid has access to, but you're just going to blindly claim the superior of Celestial technology?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Oh look, you failed to answer the question. I gave you examples of the type of tech Darkseid has access to, but you're just going to blindly claim the superior of Celestial technology?

Apocalypse defeated an abstract with his tech.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse defeated an abstract with his tech.

He beats an abstract, and then get his ass handed to him by Stryfe and Bishop. You're not telling me the conditions under which he beat this nameless abstract.

Omega Effect ftw!!!

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse defeated an abstract with his tech.
i think apoc has the best tech in my opinion

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He beats an abstract, and then get his ass handed to him by Stryfe and Bishop. You're not telling me the conditions under which he beat this nameless abstract.

Phoenix force. Excalibur issue.

He was at the berink of death when he was defeated by Stryfe and Bishop. And also, he easily took KILLED Stryfe after he was all fixed up in TWO panels.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Phoenix force. Excalibur issue.

He was at the berink of death when he was defeated by Stryfe and Bishop. And also, he easily took KILLED Stryfe after he was all fixed up in TWO panels.


And he's had his ass handed to him by Magneto.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Phoenix force. Excalibur issue.

He was at the berink of death when he was defeated by Stryfe and Bishop. And also, he easily took KILLED Stryfe after he was all fixed up in TWO panels.

Details. And he was brought to the brink of death by said opponents.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
And he's had his ass handed to him by Magneto.

Age of Apocalypse isn't canon. AgeS of Apocalypse however is, and in those issues, Poccy created entire dimensions.

When Stryfe and Bishop almost kill Apoc he was awoken from his sleep and at his weakest state, and Bishop said " and even then, killing Apocalypse took everything we had". And when he got his strength back he stomped. So using the whole "He beats an abstract, and then get his ass handed to him by Stryfe and Bishop" is a kinda shitty example.

BUT

If given the chance DS could use the same plan Bishop used to make this an easy fight.

Originally posted by Wimjet
When Stryfe and Bishop almost kill Apoc he was awoken from his sleep and at his weakest state, and Bishop said " and even then, killing Apocalypse took everything we had". And when he got his strength back he stomped. So using the whole "He beats an abstract, and then get his ass handed to him by Stryfe and Bishop" is a kinda shitty example.

BUT

If given the chance DS could use the same plan Bishop used to make this an easy fight.
good point i think if darkseid could figure out his weakness which would be the end of apoc but darkseid only has a couple hours of prep to figure it out so thats why i give it to apoc if there is more time then darkseid wins this

Originally posted by Wimjet
When Stryfe and Bishop almost kill Apoc he was awoken from his sleep and at his weakest state, and Bishop said " and even then, killing Apocalypse took everything we had". And when he got his strength back he stomped. So using the whole "He beats an abstract, and then get his ass handed to him by Stryfe and Bishop" is a kinda shitty example.

BUT

If given the chance DS could use the same plan Bishop used to make this an easy fight.

It was more questioning what alleged abstract he beat in the first place. I don't see Apoc as weak, but fighting Darkseid is in another league altogether.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse grows bo be 1000 feet tall and then crushes Darkseid. As for the OE, Apoc can teleport and has nearly inpenetrable foce-fields. And don't forget shape shifting of the highest level possible.
That would be quit impressive is Ds wasnt around 2/3rd's the size of the sun

'Pocky's getting wiped out.

Darkseid one shots Apocalypse

It's nice to know, that even after an extended absence, this place can still make me LOL.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
It was more questioning what alleged abstract he beat in the first place. I don't see Apoc as weak, but fighting Darkseid is in another league altogether.

A Darkseid who gets his ass kicked by high heralders? Even jobberclypse owned Namor on a whim.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
That would be quit impressive is Ds wasnt around 2/3rd's the size of the sun

We are using the DS avatar. Not the "true" DS.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Darkseid. That's pretty much thread.

Smh at Tyrant's arguments.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's nice to know, that even after an extended absence, this place can still make me LOL.

As much as I like Apoc.. he is not taking this unless he is at his very best and Darkseid is having a very bad day.

Perhaps if he morphed into Superman?

DS shit stomps.

Originally posted by king carnage
Darkseid goes to another dimmension wanting to enslave it unfortunately he runs into apoc who wins
a couple hours prep time
Apocalypse gets destroyed he is not on a level to even bother darkseid.

Originally posted by godking
Apocalypse gets destroyed he is not on a level to even bother darkseid.
idk why people think darkseid wins so easily i like them both and i think it would be close idk why people are saying he wins this easily even if he does win it would still be close

Originally posted by TheTyrant
A Darkseid who gets his ass kicked by high heralders? Even jobberclypse owned Namor on a whim.

Are you seriously comparing Superman to Namor and claiming Namor is a high herald (whatever that means)? Superman has been beaten silly by DS much times than the reverse.

The OP says Darkseid.

apoc shape shifts into superman and beats this fool.
otherwise he has no hope lol

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Are you seriously comparing Superman to Namor and claiming Namor is a high herald (whatever that means)? Superman has been beaten silly by DS much times than the reverse.

The OP says Darkseid.


Ok, how about the Loki fight? Or the H/E fight? Or the Black Bolt fight? Or the phoenix fight?

And when has DS successfuly defeated Superman? I remember Superman SINGING him to death

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
apoc shape shifts into superman and beats this fool.
otherwise he has no hope lol
why is there no hope i really think this will be closer then alot of people think it is not a stomp

Originally posted by king carnage
why is there no hope i really think this will be closer then alot of people think it is not a stomp

This is a spite thread. Apoc can't win against Seid who is at Thanos' level.

And this is coming from one of the biggest Apoc fanboys on this site.

Darkseid is just too powerful. At full power Apoc is IMO more than a match for any high herald but that is still tiers below DS. He needs an amp like the power of the twelve to get there.

Supes only wins against DS because of his PosterboIpowerS.

Originally posted by galactusischere
This is a spite thread. Apoc can't win against Seid who is at Thanos' level.

And this is coming from one of the biggest Apoc fanboys on this site.
lol this is not a spite thread why would i do that to one of my favorite villains i like apoc better then DS and think he can win and some people do agree with this

Originally posted by king carnage
lol this is not a spite thread why would i do that to one of my favorite villains i like apoc better then DS and think he can win and some people do agree with this

Do tell how Apoc would win.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Do tell how Apoc would win.

I think it's because Superman beat Darkseid... or something like that.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Ok, how about the Loki fight? Or the H/E fight? Or the Black Bolt fight? Or the phoenix fight?

And when has DS successfuly defeated Superman? I remember Superman SINGING him to death



What about his multiple losses to Iron Man? Struggling with the original Human Torch? Getting stabbed through the chest by Wolverine? I can name instances without context too.

Yep, a "singing" Superman destroyed his essence when Darkseid was on his deathbed. Swing and a miss.

Originally posted by Spire
I think it's because Superman beat Darkseid... or something like that.

Superman is out of Apoc's league too. And Darkseid has beaten Superman far more times than the reverse.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
What about his multiple losses to Iron Man? Struggling with the original Human Torch? Getting stabbed through the chest by Wolverine? I can name instances without context too.

Yep, a "singing" Superman destroyed his essence when Darkseid was on his deathbed. Swing and a miss.
more then likely apoc was toying around with them causing these things to happen if he was serious he easily beats these people

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Do tell how Apoc would win.
do tell how DS easily wins this

Originally posted by king carnage
more then likely apoc was toying around with them causing these things to happen if he was serious he easily beats these people

Nah, the correct response would be that none of these ever happened because I was ridiculing the idea that Namor was as powerful as some people claim him to be. Those are Namor fights I'm referencing. If you couldn't tell that, then your side is looking bad.

Originally posted by king carnage
do tell how DS easily wins this

Pimp-slap into space.
Boom Tube into a supernova.
Omega Sanction.
Drop kicks him into 3000 B.C.
Goes back in time and kills his momma.
Etc. etc.

Originally posted by king carnage
do tell how DS easily wins this

OE, OB, speed and strength.

Originally posted by Spire
OE, OB, speed and strength.
apoc has strength to here is a list of some of the things that he can do compared to DS
strength
shape shifter
rapid regeneration
energy absorbtion
can resist teepathic attacks
can avoid attacks with ease
can make various weapons
might as well say he is immortal
also defeated x men in a dying state

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
What about his multiple losses to Iron Man? Struggling with the original Human Torch? Getting stabbed through the chest by Wolverine? I can name instances without context too.

Yep, a "singing" Superman destroyed his essence when Darkseid was on his deathbed. Swing and a miss.

Ok.

Apoc tanks BB's FULL scream:

1- http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

Restrains Hulk EASILY:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/784967-powers4_super.jpg

Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Apocalypse destroys Invisible Woman's force field with a single blast.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers7.png

Apocalypse sucks Cyclops bone dry of energy. Possibly a ring?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png

Apocalypse snaps his fingers to cause energy explosions.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe41.png

Owns Stryfe

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0409/Xforce16-015.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0497/Xforce16-016.jpg


Sorry for the page extension here..

Phoenix and Cyclops owning..

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/973/apoconeshotscyclopsnw0.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6476/apoconeshotsjeangreytv6.jpg

The High Evo fight..

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_16_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_23_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_24_rougher.jpg


Here he takes on Ikaris of the eternals

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg


And funny how you were JUST using the Bishop-Stryfe-Apoc low showing for Apoc, while big A was on his deathbed but get all upset when I use a low-showing for DS when he was on his deathbed.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow

Superman is out of Apoc's league too.

LOL.

How does Superman beat a guy that can regenerate any limb instantiously? A guy that created a class 10 being from one of his limbs?

Ikaris would give Superman a fight, and he was barely worth Apocalypse's attention.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Ok.

Apoc tanks BB's FULL scream:

1- http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

Restrains Hulk EASILY:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/784967-powers4_super.jpg

Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1774/exodusorigin13kw0.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Apocalypse destroys Invisible Woman's force field with a single blast.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers7.png

Apocalypse sucks Cyclops bone dry of energy. Possibly a ring?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png

Apocalypse snaps his fingers to cause energy explosions.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe41.png

Owns Stryfe

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0409/Xforce16-015.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0497/Xforce16-016.jpg


Sorry for the page extension here..

Phoenix and Cyclops owning..

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/973/apoconeshotscyclopsnw0.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6476/apoconeshotsjeangreytv6.jpg

The High Evo fight..

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_16_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_22_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_23_rougher.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/ANNxfactor_v1_003_24_rougher.jpg


Here he takes on Ikaris of the eternals

http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p47.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p48.jpg
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy275/llagrok/Random%20comic%20feats/newet-p49.jpg


And funny how you were JUST using the Bishop-Stryfe-Apoc low showing for Apoc, while big A was on his deathbed but get all upset when I use a low-showing for DS when he was on his deathbed.

Namor fights, not Apoc fights.

That was to ruffle your feathers. Looks like it worked.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apocalypse sucks Cyclops bone dry of energy. Possibly a ring?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png

that's not actually possible.

and the darkseid that superman killed was destroying the multiverse at the time.

Originally posted by king carnage
apoc has strength to here is a list of some of the things that he can do compared to DS
strength
shape shifter
rapid regeneration
energy absorbtion
can resist teepathic attacks
can avoid attacks with ease
can make various weapons
might as well say he is immortal
also defeated x men in a dying state

None of that addresses how he is going to deal with Omega Effect or Omega Beams. Darkseid doesn't even have to move for this fight.

Oh, and Apoc can be immortal all he wants when Darkseid turns him into a ball.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
LOL.

How does Superman beat a guy that can regenerate any limb instantiously? A guy that created a class 10 being from one of his limbs?

Ikaris would give Superman a fight, and he was barely worth Apocalypse's attention.

Ikaris' top speed is barely above Mach 1.

Originally posted by Spire
OE, OB, speed and strength.

And how is DS faster than a guy who has FTL teleportation speed and atleast super sonic combat speed?

How is he stronger than a guy that at regular size can easily restrain a class 100? And keep in mind that Apoc can grow to be 100s of feet tall.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Ikaris' top speed is barely above Mach 1.

And he has much better power output than Superman.
And actual super sonic combat speed.

That wasn't "The Phoenix." That was Jean Grey in her green costume.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That wasn't "The Phoenix." That was Jean Grey in her green costume.

I'm pretty sure Jean had the P force during the twelve IIRC.

Originally posted by Spire
None of that addresses how he is going to deal with Omega Effect or Omega Beams. Darkseid doesn't even have to move for this fight.

Oh, and Apoc can be immortal all he wants when Darkseid turns him into a ball.
how can DS deal with all of those weapons and he can dodge the omega beams

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That wasn't "The Phoenix." That was Jean Grey in her green costume.
lol looked like pheonix to me

You be pretty sure, but wrong. I'll be certain and right.

Jean Grey doesn't regain access to the Phoenix Force until partway through Grant Morrison's New X-Men run.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And how is DS faster than a guy who has FTL teleportation speed and atleast super sonic combat speed?

How is he stronger than a guy that at regular size can easily restrain a class 100? And keep in mind that Apoc can grow to be 100s of feet tall.

He doesn't have FTL teleportation speed. Darkseid has at least microsecond reflexes.

Darkseid destroys people stronger than Superman, who's Class 100+++++++. DS can also increase his size, not that size matters in a fight between these two.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
And he has much better power output than Superman.
And actual super sonic combat speed.

It's funny, because I'm 110% sure that you have zero evidence to back up either of these claims. Just like every claim you make.

Originally posted by king carnage
how can DS deal with all of those weapons and he can dodge the omega beams

You can't dodge the OB, contrary to some showings that show people blocking it or outracing it.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He doesn't have FTL teleportation speed. Darkseid has at least microsecond reflexes.

Darkseid destroys people stronger than Superman, who's Class 100+++++++. DS can also increase his size, not that size matters in a fight between these two.



It's funny, because I'm 110% sure that you have zero evidence to back up either of these claims. Just like every claim you make.



You can't dodge the OB, contrary to some showings that show people blocking it or outracing it.
i cant believe you think he easily wins your acting like i said DS vs toad

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He doesn't have FTL teleportation speed. Darkseid has at least microsecond reflexes.

Darkseid destroys people stronger than Superman, who's Class 100+++++++. DS can also increase his size, not that size matters in a fight between these two.



It's funny, because I'm 110% sure that you have zero evidence to back up either of these claims. Just like every claim you make.



You can't dodge the OB, contrary to some showings that show people blocking it or outracing it.

I have provided evidence unlike you.
You say that the OE cannot be dodged bit it has. You say that it cannot be blocked, yet it has been blocked. You say that it cannot be tanked, yet it has been tanked.

My last post concerning this thread.

Originally posted by king carnage
how can DS deal with all of those weapons and he can dodge the omega beams



He isn't dodging anything.

Omega Effect, meet Apocalypse, the ball... in dirt on the ground.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I have provided evidence unlike you.
You say that the OE cannot be dodged bit it has. You say that it cannot be blocked, yet it has been blocked. You say that it cannot be tanked, yet it has been tanked.

My last post concerning this thread.

I'm fairly confident Apoc can block OB with his face.

Originally posted by Spire
I'm fairly confident Apoc can block OB with his face.
lol it can be dodged and blocked and not with his face lol

whoa .. Apocalypse vs DS ... hmm, maybe Magneto can fight Superman afterall.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I have provided evidence unlike you.
You say that the OE cannot be dodged bit it has. You say that it cannot be blocked, yet it has been blocked. You say that it cannot be tanked, yet it has been tanked.

My last post concerning this thread.

LOL. Showing me scans that don't even match up with what you're saying proves nothing. HE wasn't fighting back, Jean Grey got freaked out and blasted before she could recover, and it's unknown whether Black Bolt was screaming (which didn't look like it, considering the terrain around Apoc looked fine). The only decent showing was against Exodus, who's not on MM or Manchester Black levels of telepathy.

No proof of Ikaris' supposed power. No surprise there.

The OB and OE are different things, DC noob. Don't run away because you know nothing about the New Gods.

Originally posted by king carnage
i cant believe you think he easily wins your acting like i said DS vs toad
Apoc may as well be Toad. The power difference between a Trans-Tier/Low Skyfather and a Top Tier is too large.

To reiterate:
Darkseid's Demonstrated Tech > Apoc's demonstrated tech
Darkseid's prep feats > Apoc's prep feats
Darkseid's energy projection >>>>> Apoc's
Teleportation and size manipulation is a wash.
Darkseid's strength >>> Apoc's
Darkseid's TP >= Apoc's (>>>>>>>>> Apoc's if GDS saga were applicable to current DS)
Darkseid's durability >> Apocs's
Darkseid's intellect >>> Apoc's
Darkseid's total resources >>>>>>>> Apoc's

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
LOL. Showing me scans that don't even match up with what you're saying proves nothing. HE wasn't fighting back, Jean Grey got freaked out and blasted before she could recover, and it's unknown whether Black Bolt was screaming (which didn't look like it, considering the terrain around Apoc looked fine). The only decent showing was against Exodus, who's not on MM or Manchester Black levels of telepathy.

No proof of Ikaris' supposed power. No surprise there.

The OB and OE are different things, DC noob. Don't run away because you know nothing about the New Gods.
come on guys lets keep this peaceful no need to go this far because of disagreement

Apoc. But it's close.

5.4, or 6/10.

Good thread.

Originally posted by Blanket
Apoc. But it's close.

5.4, or 6/10.

Good thread.

This guy knows what he's talking about.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This guy knows what he's talking about. Wait, Apoc has prep.

10/10

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
LOL. Showing me scans that don't even match up with what you're saying proves nothing. HE wasn't fighting back, Jean Grey got freaked out and blasted before she could recover, and it's unknown whether Black Bolt was screaming (which didn't look like it, considering the terrain around Apoc looked fine). The only decent showing was against Exodus, who's not on MM or Manchester Black levels of telepathy.

No proof of Ikaris' supposed power. No surprise there.

The OB and OE are different things, DC noob. Don't run away because you know nothing about the New Gods.

Sigh...you force me to go back on my word...

H/E wasn't fighting back? Hmkay. Did you miss the part where he started blasting Apoc? Neither of them wanted to fight the other, but they did to the best of their abilities. So stop making excuses.

Grey was also overpowered.

Again did you not see BB's mouth open? What the hell do you think he was doing? suckin ----? breathing air?

Read the eternal issues to know how powerful Ikaris is. I'm not going to educate you on a character's entire history/feats when you have no idea how powerful he is.

No really? Apoc would tank both them like Superman/Doomsday.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apoc may as well be Toad. The power difference between a Trans-Tier/Low Skyfather and a Top Tier is too large.

To reiterate:
Darkseid's Demonstrated Tech > Apoc's demonstrated tech
Darkseid's prep feats > Apoc's prep feats
Darkseid's energy projection >>>>> Apoc's
Teleportation and size manipulation is a wash.
Darkseid's strength >>> Apoc's
Darkseid's TP >= Apoc's (>>>>>>>>> Apoc's if GDS saga were applicable to current DS)
Darkseid's durability >> Apocs's
Darkseid's intellect >>> Apoc's
Darkseid's total resources >>>>>>>> Apoc's
in my opinon it goes like this
Apoc Tech> Darkseid tech
Apoc prep>Darkseid prep
Apoc strength<Darkseids strength
Durability Apoc<Darkseid durability
Apoc intellect>Darkseids intellect
Apoc resources> Darseids

Originally posted by king carnage
in my opinon it goes like this
Apoc Tech> Darkseid tech
Apoc prep>Darkseid prep
Apoc strength<Darkseids strength
Durability Apoc<Darkseid durability
Apoc intellect>Darkseids intellect
Apoc resources> Darseids Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This guy knows what he's talking about.

^ I concur.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not actually possible.

and the darkseid that superman killed was destroying the multiverse at the time.
apoc did drain cyclops

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apoc may as well be Toad. The power difference between a Trans-Tier/Low Skyfather and a Top Tier is too large.

To reiterate:
Darkseid's Demonstrated Tech > Apoc's demonstrated tech- ok
Darkseid's prep feats > Apoc's prep feats- Apoc only didn't succeed because of Cable who came from the future. Or else Age of Apocalypse would have happened in 616.
Darkseid's energy projection >>>>> Apoc's- No.
Teleportation and size manipulation is a wash- DS needs Boom Tubes to do so. Apoc can do it by himself.
Darkseid's strength >>> Apoc's- No. Apoc easily restrained a class 100.
Darkseid's TP >= Apoc's (>>>>>>>>> Apoc's if GDS saga were applicable to current DS)- IDK about this one.
Darkseid's durability >> Apocs's- And Apoc's healing factor is even better than Hulk's.
Darkseid's intellect >>> Apoc's- The gap isn't that much IMO
Darkseid's total resources >>>>>>>> Apoc's- No

Also, Apoc is more versatile than DS and has the highest level of shape shifting shown in comics.

DS can be killed and apoc is immortsl seems he would have a tough time to me

Originally posted by king carnage
DS can be killed and apoc is immortsl seems he would have a tough time to me

This.

Originally posted by king carnage
apoc did drain cyclops Eyebeams are a weakness against Apoc.

Wow, leave for a year and a half and the crazies creep in.

You were the buttplug that held the Apocalypse in. Now everyone is shitting all over the place.

No kiddin'. It's like an Apocalypse scat porn circle jerk in here.

Picture that. And cry.

Or jerk?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Sigh...you force me to go back on my word...

H/E wasn't fighting back? Hmkay. Did you miss the part where he started blasting Apoc? Neither of them wanted to fight the other, but they did to the best of their abilities. So stop making excuses.

Grey was also overpowered.

Again did you not see BB's mouth open? What the hell do you think he was doing? suckin ----? breathing air?

Read the eternal issues to know how powerful Ikaris is. I'm not going to educate you on a character's entire history/feats when you have no idea how powerful he is.

No really? Apoc would tank both them like Superman/Doomsday.

There was no fight between HE and Apoc. He blasted him three times (and none of them hit), then tried to escape. That's a skirmish, not a fight. HE can't fight "to the best of his abilities" when he's stuck in space and then decides to back out of it. It's a demonstration of shape-shifting and agility on Apoc's part.

It was open, but there was little destruction to justify it. Usually it rips up a good part of the environment since his scream is not the same as a concussion beam. Chalk it up to unrepresentative artwork, I'll give you that. A good durability feat.

I know Ikaris is slower, less durable, and physically weaker than Superman. Prove otherwise, you have scans. Or just name feats.

You can't "tank" a energy beam that sends you into a future of steadily worsening lives. Or incinerates you completely.

Darkseid

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
There was no fight between HE and Apoc. He blasted him three times (and none of them hit), then tried to escape. That's a skirmish, not a fight. HE can't fight "to the best of his abilities" when he's stuck in space and then decides to back out of it. It's a demonstration of shape-shifting and agility on Apoc's part.

It was open, but there was little destruction to justify it. Usually it rips up a good part of the environment since his scream is not the same as a concussion beam. Chalk it up to unrepresentative artwork, I'll give you that. A good durability feat.

I know Ikaris is slower, less durable, and physically weaker than Superman. Prove otherwise, you have scans. Or just name feats.

You can't "tank" a energy beam that sends you into a future of steadily worsening lives. Or incinerates you completely. In other words. Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fighting Ikaris, or Loki, or the High Evolutionary in itself isn't "a feat." Whatever he did in those fights, impressive or not, to counteract whatever the opponent did, impressive or not, would be the actual feats. For an analogous situation occasionally someone will write "Hulk fights Thor." or "Hulk fights Silver Surfer." as if that were a feat.

Also Sersi has taken Bloodties Exodus' (i.e. the non-crap Exodus) TK blasts. See my super awesome respect thread. She's still a redheaded stepchild to DS, just like Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
I know Ikaris is slower, less durable, and physically weaker than Superman. Prove otherwise, you have scans. Or just name feats.
Ikaris three punched Thor back when Thor took a portion of the Odin Force as Odin wanted him to defeat Surtur.
He managed to throw Galactus a good distance away when Galactus landed on Titan to recruit him to take on IG Thanos.
He was able to rock Thanos in an issue where Thanos and Starfox were doing their annual gift giving plan.
He KO'ed Power Gem Drax in a drawn out fight.
He also shredded HE's suit when HE tried to take his DNA.
Etc.

Apocalypse turn really, rreally, rrrreally big and stomps Darkseid with em boots for instant WTF happened K.O..

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
There was no fight between HE and Apoc. He blasted him three times (and none of them hit), then tried to escape. That's a skirmish, not a fight. HE can't fight "to the best of his abilities" when he's stuck in space and then decides to back out of it. It's a demonstration of shape-shifting and agility on Apoc's part.

No, there was a fight, IDK how you missed it.



Good.



Sombody else already addressed this while I was logged off.



But they have been tanked/blocked before.

But they have been tanked/blocked before.
Usually pis

The only legit block that really comes to mind is the WW aegis

Originally posted by king carnage
DS can be killed and apoc is immortsl seems he would have a tough time to me
I take it you don't understand the difference between "Immortal" and "Invincible"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I take it you don't understand the difference between "Immortal" and "Invincible"
are you saying apoc is invinsible instead of immortal idk what your saying here

Originally posted by king carnage
are you saying apoc is invinsible instead of immortal idk what your saying here

He is saying that you do not understand the difference between immortality and invincibility.

Originally posted by TheTyrant

Energy Projection: Hell yeah. Omega Effect is way above anything Apoc is capable of. What are his energy blast feats? I'm waiting.

Strength: Oh wow he restrained a baseline Hulk who couldn't increase strength at the time. No way Darkseid could do that. '

Healing Factor: Better than the Hulk's? Lol.

Resources: Darkseid has an entire planet with tech capable of affecting Galaxies. Apoc has...significantly less than that.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
He is saying that you do not understand the difference between immortality and invincibility.
i said he was immortal its part of one of his powers is to be immortal

Originally posted by king carnage
i said he was immortal its part of one of his powers is to be immortal
Which doesn't mean you can't die. Darkseid is Immortal as well. All New Gods are.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Energy Projection: Hell yeah. Omega Effect is way above anything Apoc is capable of. What are his energy blast feats? I'm waiting.

Strength: Oh wow he restrained a baseline Hulk who couldn't increase strength at the time. No way Darkseid could do that. '

Healing Factor: Better than the Hulk's? Lol.

Resources: Darkseid has an entire planet with tech capable of affecting Galaxies. Apoc has...significantly less than that.

I already posted a bunch of them. Apoc was going toe-to-toe with High Evo who is ATLEAST DS level.

Yea, Hulk was still a class 100. Show me DS doing something like that as easily as Apoc was.

Actually scratch Hulk, Apoc has even a better HF than Deadpool. As he can regenerate from goo and create/regenerate entire limbs or organs. I can post the scan if you wish.

And Apoc has access to some of the most sophisticated tech in the MU. But DS has done alot more with his tech, so im gonna give you this one.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which doesn't mean you can't die. Darkseid is Immortal as well. All New Gods are.
yes but he is harder to kill also he has power of regeneration

Originally posted by king carnage
i said he was immortal its part of one of his powers is to be immortal

Darkseid is immortal too.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Darkseid is immortal too.

yes but he is harder to kill also he has power of regeneration

Originally posted by king carnage
yes but he is harder to kill also he has power of regeneration
He's not harder to kill. Where did you get that from? Darkseid can regenerate too. He ressurrected an army of Parademons with a wave of his hand.

Have you ever read anything with Darkseid in it?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Usually pis

The only legit block that really comes to mind is the WW aegis

And Orion using the Astro Force, and it was suggested in the comic that Darkseid planned for it to happen.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
No, there was a fight, IDK how you missed it.

HE didn't connect with any of his blasts except maybe the first one. He got up in Apoc's face once, and got knocked away. It wasn't a prolonged fight of them pounding away at each other.

Originally posted by TheTyrant But they have been tanked/blocked before.

Mostly PIS, as they have been stated to never stop until they hit their target. They can even go through time and dimensions to hit their mark.

Apoc isn't weak, it's not a shame to lose to Darkseid.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He's not harder to kill. Where did you get that from? Darkseid can regenerate too. He ressurrected an army of Parademons with a wave of his hand.

Have you ever read anything with Darkseid in it?
his power of regeneration would make him harder to kill

Originally posted by king carnage
yes but he is harder to kill also he has power of regeneration

DS can regenerate too....

Originally posted by king carnage
i said he was immortal its part of one of his powers is to be immortal

He's not immortal, at least of his own volition.

Wolverine can regenerate too....

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He's not immortal, at least of his own volition.

Apocalypse is immortal.

Originally posted by king carnage
his power of regeneration would make him harder to kill
Healing factor would offer no protection against the OE.

And DS can regenerate as well, even better than Apoc can. Face it, Apoc has no advantages here, at all.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wolverine can regenerate too....
yea but he dosent have all the other powers Apoc has thats why wolverine wouldnt be able to stand up to DS but Apoc does have enough power to stand up to DS

Originally posted by king carnage
yea but he dosent have all the other powers Apoc has thats why wolverine wouldnt be able to stand up to DS but Apoc does have enough power to stand up to DS
No he doesn't.

Logan fully backed by the TOAA could beat Darkseid.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I already posted a bunch of them. Apoc was going toe-to-toe with High Evo who is ATLEAST DS level.

Yea, Hulk was still a class 100. Show me DS doing something like that as easily as Apoc was.

Actually scratch Hulk, Apoc has even a better HF than Deadpool. As he can regenerate from goo and create/regenerate entire limbs or organs. I can post the scan if you wish.

And Apoc has access to some of the most sophisticated tech in the MU. But DS has done alot more with his tech, so im gonna give you this one.

The problem is, HE isn't the equivalent of DS in reflexes or fighting skill or strength or durability.

I don't doubt that he can, considering his control over his molecular structure.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No he doesn't.
ok thats your opinon i think he can and some other people think he can my main argument here is its not a stomp it would be a good fight at least thats what i think

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apocalypse is immortal.

He's killed himself, but the Celestial tech brought him back. He's not immortal.

Nah. It's a stomp.

When did Apocalypse become the new Storm.

Originally posted by king carnage
ok thats your opinon i think he can and some other people think he can my main argument here is its not a stomp it would be a good fight at least thats what i think
That's not an opinion. Its a fact. Darkseid is far above Apoc. He does things Apoc couldn't dream of doing. With a small fraction of his power Darkseid created a spaceship that Kyle Rayner compared to New York State in terms of size. Together with Highfather he blasted into the Source Wall, he depowered Secret with his OE, has bested Superman with ease on several occasions, defeated Orion many times, swatted aside Full Gear WW in Rock of Ages, pimp-smacked Captain Atom, easily defeated Supergirl, was able to force the Guardians of the Universe to agree to a peace treaty rather than fighting him directly (demonstrating him to be on a similar level to an assembly of more than four Guardians at once), kill Kalibak (a Top Tier) with a touch, and his OE can travel through dimensional barriers to find its target.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He's killed himself, but the Celestial tech brought him back. He's not immortal.

and darkseid hasn't been killed?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's not an opinion. Its a fact. Darkseid is far above Apoc. He does things Apoc couldn't dream of doing. With a small fraction of his power Darkseid created a spaceship that Kyle Rayner compared to New York State in terms of size. Together with Highfather he blasted into the Source Wall, he depowered Secret with his OE, has bested Superman with ease on several occasions, defeated Orion many times, swatted aside Full Gear WW in Rock of Ages, pimp-smacked Captain Atom, easily defeated Supergirl, was able to force the Guardians of the Universe to agree to a peace treaty rather than fighting him directly (demonstrating him to be on a similar level to an assembly of more than four Guardians at once), kill Kalibak (a Top Tier) with a touch, and his OE can travel through dimensional barriers to find its target.
ok wat ever u say man there is people who agree with you and people who dont

Originally posted by TheTyrant
and darkseid hasn't been killed?
No ones saying otherwise, just deflating any silly notion that Apocalypse can't be killed.

Originally posted by king carnage
ok wat ever u say man there is people who agree with you and people who dont
Tyrant doesn't count.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
and darkseid hasn't been killed?

Who said DS was immortal? He doesn't need to be to win this fight.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No ones saying otherwise, just deflating any silly notion that Apocalypse can't be killed.

So then DS isn't immortal either according to JS.


But whatever DS wins. you have officially been trolled.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So then DS isn't immortal either according to JS.


But whatever DS wins. you have officially been trolled.

He was killed by his son so...

You're a crafty opponent, the likes of which I have never seen.