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since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan

Several people on here arent heralds

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Several people on here arent heralds according to many on the board, surfer beats everyone here I've mentioned.

U mad Nvr?

He loses against Thor, thats for sure

Originally posted by Nihilist
U mad Nvr? This sentence is grammatically incorrect. It should be You never get mad.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
This sentence is grammatically incorrect. It should be You never get mad.


Are you discussing grammar in KMC or was that supposed to be a witty comeback?

I honestly don't see him winning against Classic Infinity-Man, Angel Supergirl, and Takion w/ Highfather's Staff.

And in any case, that staff is pretty uber. If it's allowed in this match, he could merge all of the combatants in a single amalgam and simply outpower him.

So this is what we all thought, a classic butthurt thread. The Norrin wank is at an all time high though.

lol, someone is seriously butthurt.

Originally posted by dmills
So this is what we all thought, a classic butthurt thread. The Norrin wank is at an all time high though. don't know what bitt hurt is. I do need clarity as to people's reasoning behind givin surfer so many wins.

butthurt = a slight stingy feeling in one's bottom after a long bout of butt secks

A butthurt thread is a spite thread people make out of fustration when a particular character garners lots of forum wins over characters that said butthurt person likes.

We've all been there.

Originally posted by dmills
A butthurt thread is a spite thread people make out of fustration when a particular character garners lots of forum wins over characters that said butthurt person likes.

We've all been there. How can it be spite if a split or majority think the haracter wins? Personally I don't think surfer an beat Thor for more than half ut that is just me.

Fill it out.

http://therustynail.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/butthurt-form.jpg

It doesn't matter what people think, it's about your intentions. It's spite when you purposely try and stack the deck against the character out of fustration.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan


you done lost ure mind.....

Originally posted by dmills
It doesn't matter what people think, it's about your intentions. It's spite when you purposely try and stack the deck against the character out of fustration. No stacking. These sre all the characters over the last ouple of weeks that people have consistently been sayong surfer defeats.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
No stacking. These sre all the characters over the last ouple of weeks that people have consistently been sayong surfer defeats.


If you know the actual results that doesn't make it any less stacking though.

lighty, threads of this nature generally don't work out well...those that are an attempt to call out a particular group whose opinion you disagree with. Try to steer clear of it in the future.

Others, the spam isn't helping. Spamming butthurt comments won't get this closed, because there's legit discussion to be had. It will, however, get you warned if it continues.

Hey man don't get me wrong, I get how you feel because as I said, we've all been there. But these type of threads almost always end up closed. I don't really see any legit back and forth coming from this because of the threads basic premis.

Norrin has had some great showings so his stock is red hot right now. Thor's is luke warm, so Norrin is going to get a lot of love in most battles. If you don't like it, make your case. For the longest time Nova Prime got no love on this forum. I had to argue tooth and nail, more often then not as the only person supporting Nova in any thread that pitted him against a mid/high herald character. But I continued to make my case and over time opinions changed. Now we have people willing to say Nova could solo a team of Hulks!

If you don't like the fact that people think Norrin can beat these people, man up and make your case, even if it's you against the world.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan
90% of them he turns into bricks.

Originally posted by King Kandy
90% of them he turns into bricks. Which ones?

1. Drops a train on 'em
2. Drops a train on 'em
3. Drops a train on 'em
4. Drops a train on 'em
5. Drops a train on 'em
6. Drops a train on 'em
7. Drops a train on 'em
8. Drops a train on 'em
9. Drops a train on 'em
10. Drops a train on 'em
11. Drops a train on 'em
12. Drops a train on 'em

FOOL

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Which ones?
All of them except for the ones who could survive being turned into bricks.

Originally posted by King Kandy
All of them except for the ones who could survive being turned into bricks. all of them have means of resisting matter manip. From high level TK, shields, or higher matter manip than surfer. Many of them have control over their own molecules. So who?

lightyear I don't mean to insult (in that other thread) you but i think it's obvious that you are using the highest examples of a person say Orion and then try and debate as if their one in a life time occurrence or PIS moments are something he can commonly and casually do on a regular basis. Thats not how KMC works.

People who support surfer i would like to assume do not use only his high end showings but he just operates at such a high level all the time and is as versatile as one can get. It is difficult to beat someone like that.

Anyway i will admit some do beat surfer her and no im not attempt to get serious with this thread at all.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
all of them have means of resisting matter manip. From high level TK, shields, or higher matter manip than surfer. Many of them have control over their own molecules. So who?
I doubt those will be effective due to Surfer often using MM to affect even herald level characters. So basically, what I said stands.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I doubt those will be effective due to Surfer often using MM to affect even herald level characters. So basically, what I said stands. which heralds? Surely you can name a matter manip surfer has transmjted. Or someone with high control over their own bodies.

Nope, not going to. I just realized i'm feeding the troll.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nope, not going to. I just realized i'm feeding the troll. help me out. What is feeding the troll?

can 100 of any of these guys defeat galactus? cause if not then one cannot beat surfer, he is 1/100th of galactus afterall

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
can 100 of any of these guys defeat galactus? cause if not then one cannot beat surfer, he is 1/100th of galactus afterall 100 Silver Surfer's can't beat Galactus niether.

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol, someone is seriously butthurt. lulz at the double-entendre http://i45.tinypic.com/30djj28.png

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lulz at the double-entendre http://i45.tinypic.com/30djj28.png The Moderator said not to do that. He would be issuing warnings.

ironically you're bringing up moderator rules, well played

Originally posted by psycho gundam
ironically you're bringing up moderator rules. Why wouldn't I?

Originally posted by lightyeargee
100 Silver Surfer's can't beat Galactus niether.

i probably should of used some sort of smiley to show i was joking, or maybe an lol would of done the job

true, you're still here

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lulz at the double-entendre http://i45.tinypic.com/30djj28.png I lol'd.

You're an *******.

Genis Vell and Morg are the best heralds.

^^
have you heard of superman my friend?

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
^^
have you heard of superman my friend?

The guy who is dumb enough to think that glasses are a good disguise?

it works flawlessly though

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
^^
have you heard of superman my friend?

Superman would get his ass kicked by either one.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Superman would get his ass kicked by either one. NO.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
NO.

Superman > Morg/Genis-Vell? Is that what you're saying?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it works flawlessly though

Which says alot about the average IQ in DC.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which says alot about the average IQ in DC.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which says alot about the average IQ in DC.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it works flawlessly though
I'm pretty sure that the only people the glasses fooled that shouldn't have been fooled for a second have been Lex Luthor and Lois Lane (until she found out).

Bruce Wayne figured it out pretty quick and he believes that Perry White knows but chooses to keep it to himself (ala Commissioner Gordon).

Through various tricks Superman has made Superman and Clark Kent "appear" to be in the same place at the same time quite a few times over the years.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Genis Vell and Morg WITH WATER OF LIFE are the best heralds.


Fixed

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Fixed
Is Morg /w WOL even considered Herald? I would think he'd be Trans Tier.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Is Morg /w WOL even considered Herald? I would think he'd be Trans Tier.

Maybe. But Morg get his ass kicked by Surfer in the past, and it would end worst today

Originally posted by lightyeargee
NO.
Genis is definitely above Superman.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Genis is definitely above Superman. Then he is not a herald.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Then he is not a herald.
Wow, great argument. Being a herald means being on the level of a herald of galactus (that's why we have the name). Not being on Superman's level.

Anybody who thinks genis is a heralds needs to gtfo

He is too strong

Morg with WOL is the best herald IMO.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Morg with WOL is the best herald IMO.

He wasn't a "herald lvler" like Surfer, Thor and Sups are. Hell, he litteraly destroyed all the heralds of Galactus INCLUDING mother****in' Surfer. He's trans, at the very least.

As for "Why Sufer's pwning my favorite character!?", it's pretty simple: He's owning, let's say, Superman, for the same reason Superman would probably win against the Hulk: versatility.

Hulk is aguarbly one the most powerful herald lvler, and would probably destroy most of them with his fists. Still, he can't fly. What a huge disasvantage against a dude who can just bombard his shit off with heat vision from space.

But the same comparaison can be made between Sups and Surfer. Sups is f'kin strong, f'kin fast, intelligent, and willing. Surfer is all that, and MORE. What Sups can do, Surfer do it better: He has scan of speed demonstration that could pretty makes him the fastest charater. He has cosmic awarness, that gaves him universal knowledge, and can use it to detect weaknesses. He can teleport, both in time and space. He's a major matter manipulator, and a high class telepath: he already tp Earth to gives humans world peace for a moment. He can phase, he can multiply himself, heal, amp, absorb energies, etc, etc.
Basically, he's in my opinion the top dog of the heralds lvler because he puts to shame competitors with his ridiculous versatility.

And at the end of Annihilation, Galactus raised his power to new lvl. A classic Surfer would gives a run to his money to Thor (and win or lose, it depends), but current Surfer litteraly humiliated Beta Ray Bill, took Nova with WM best shot in the face without being to much phased, pwned Skaar (before being caught by surprise, damn you, Pak!), etc, etc.
For now, I think that Surfer, as for this specific "weight class" goes, is the top dog.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
0.Henshaw with rings
Energy draining and/or transmutation.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
1.Black Bolt
Just open up a can of whoop ass...
Originally posted by lightyeargee
2.Martian Manhunter
See Black Bolt
Originally posted by lightyeargee
3.BRB
See Black Bolt
Originally posted by lightyeargee
4.Mongul with rings
Drain his rings, then whip his ass.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
5.Gladiator
Exploit his radiation vulnerability for a quick kill(one or two panels), or just use his ranged advantages for a standard win(one or two pages).
Originally posted by lightyeargee
6.Full power Orion
Fight smart. They're likely comparable in power, but Orion's a bit of a hot head.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
7.Thor
Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
8.Classic Infinity Man
From what I understand the two are pretty similar so this would likely just be a fight where they traded punches/blasts until one went down. Though Surfer has the potential for an easy win via Radion.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
9.Vand V Despero
Temporal BFR.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
10. Angel Supergirl
Encase her in solidified cosmic energy or trap her in his surfboard.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
11.Takion with High Father's staff
See Infinity Man.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan
Drain his rings for the quick win.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Energy draining and/or transmutation.

Just open up a can of whoop ass...

See Black Bolt

See Black Bolt

Drain his rings, then whip his ass.

Exploit his radiation vulnerability for a quick kill(one or two panels), or just use his ranged advantages for a standard win(one or two pages).

Fight smart. They're likely comparable in power, but Orion's a bit of a hot head.

Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.

From what I understand the two are pretty similar so this would likely just be a fight where they traded punches/blasts until one went down. Though Surfer has the potential for an easy win via Radion.

Temporal BFR.

Encase her in solidified cosmic energy or trap her in his surfboard.

See Infinity Man.

Drain his rings for the quick win.
I'm sure you remember that nvr ignores all logic. Give up.

How does he matter manip a guy who could manipulate source wall? Plus all those rings and his krytonian powers. Surfer doesn't just drain beings dry. Or don't you remember star masters?a being with the capacity to drain back kept over riding his drain.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
How does he matter manip a guy who could manipulate source wall? Plus all those rings and his krytonian powers. Surfer doesn't just drain beings dry. Or don't you remember star masters?a being with the capacity to drain back kept over riding his drain.
Sourcewall feat's not nearly as impressive as you're making out to be. I don't remember why exactly but I remember Newjack addressing it before. And Surfer does drain beings dry, just ask the Hulk. As for the guy in Starmasters he got the jump on Surfer when he attacked him from behind and immediately started draining Norrin, he didn't "override" Surfer's drain. Surfer never even tried to drain the guy that I can remember and there was nothing to suggest the guy had any kind of vulnerability to draining anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sourcewall feat's not nearly as impressive as you're making out to be. I don't remember why exactly but I remember Newjack addressing it before. And Surfer does drain beings dry, just ask the Hulk. As for the guy in Starmasters he got the jump on Surfer when he attacked him from behind and immediately started draining Norrin, he didn't "override" Surfer's drain. Surfer never even tried to drain the guy that I can remember and there was nothing to suggest the guy had any kind of vulnerability to draining anyway. So where is the vulnerability to draining henshaw when he can make his rings on the fly? Ten of them. Surfer maybe could drain one ring if the user wasn't adept enough to fight back or drain back. But ten? All while fighting a guy as strong as Superman and more durable? And yes The source wall was uber. Plus Henshaw Manipulates his body via a conciousness.So it's not like he can't jump into anything or manipulate anything into what he wants it to be. I don't think Surfer can matter manip him. Also, What is stopping Henshaw from trapping Surfer in his ring?

Originally posted by lightyeargee
So where is the vulnerability to draining henshaw when he can make his rings on the fly? Ten of them. Surfer maybe could drain one ring if the user wasn't adept enough to fight back or drain back. But ten? All while fighting a guy as strong as Superman and more durable? And yes The source wall was uber. Plus Henshaw Manipulates his body via a conciousness.So it's not like he can't jump into anything or manipulate anything into what he wants it to be. I don't think Surfer can matter manip him. Also, What is stopping Henshaw from trapping Surfer in his ring?
Where is his feats of resisting having the energy drained from his rings? And it's not like Surfer has to store the energy of all 10 rings and then just sit on it(though in GL/Surfer crossover he was able to absorb quite a bit of GL energy, all the power from the Central Battery if I'm remembering right), the best part about draining your opponent in the manner that Surfer does is that you then have energy other than your own avalible for use in the fight. Borgs own energies would amp Surfer's blasts and forcefields, amp his strength, and be avalible for him to heal himself with all while Borg was getting weaker from the drain. It's not nearly as uber as you're making it out to be. Put it this way, did Henshaw get trapped in the Source Wall and then immediately get away via transmutation/transference, or did he stay trapped long enough to constitute a win on the forum? I mean it's not as if the nature of his powers makes him completely immune to transmutation or DS wouldn't have been able to transmute him. As for Henshaw trapping Surfer in his ring, if Surfer can travel to any dimension he's ever been to pretty much at will and escape from something like the Soul World, I just don't see him getting trapped in a power ring.

And if the draining thing is too much for you to buy(as is often the case when people aren't familiar enough with Surfer)... well Norrin could just pull a temporal BFR for another easy win.

Originally posted by darthgoober


Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.


Getting amped by Loki? Classic surfer was nothing to classic Thor really.

However, SS is the highest of heralds, and OP just have a massive boner for DC.

Originally posted by amnesia
Getting amped by Loki? Classic surfer was nothing to classic Thor really.

However, SS is the highest of heralds, and OP just have a massive boner for DC.
I meant the method in which he fought(kept his distance, seperated him from his hammer, etc.). I highly disagree with the next part unless by "classic" you're talking about the period when he was weakened from being trapped on Earth and the sonic shark, and even then their relative power levels varied a lot.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I meant the method in which he fought(kept his distance, seperated him from his hammer, etc.). I highly disagree with the next part unless by "classic" you're talking about the period when he was weakened from being trapped on Earth and the sonic shark.

Stan intended Thor to be above surfer.


NOT PIS BECAUSE IT WAS A LEE/KIRBY COMIC

Originally posted by amnesia
Stan intended Thor to be above surfer.


NOT PIS BECAUSE IT WAS A LEE/KIRBY COMIC
Stan would also write Hulk beating Superman if he had the chance. He's a great creator of characters but his is hardly the final word on the matter. By the same token, Kirby intended Darkseid to be somewhere on par with Galactus, but we all know that's no longer the case.

I never said anything about PIS, Hell Surfer fought smart in that fight(which is why I referenced it).

Originally posted by darthgoober
Stan would also write Hulk beating Superman if he had the chance. He's a great creator of characters but his is hardly the final word on the matter. By the same token, Kirby intended Darkseid to be somewhere on par with Galactus, but we all know that's no longer the case.

I never said anything about PIS, Hell Surfer fought smart in that fight(which is why I referenced it).

If captain America beat up galactus and Lee wrote it, i would be OK with it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Fight the way he did in their first confrontation.

Let's hope Surfer get's a significant power up again and Thor actively chooses to restrain his godly strength. More strength than Surfer could know.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Let's hope Surfer get's a significant power up again and Thor actively chooses to restrain more strength than Surfer could ever know.
He doesn't need that significant of a power up, don't you remember the time he almost killed Thor with a warning blast(which was also from the period of Norrin's depowerment) .

Like I said, even back then the relative power between the two varied a lot.

Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
since there are sooooo many supporters of surfer, I want to know how he beats each of these characters in this List.
0.Henshaw with rings
1.Black Bolt
2.Martian Manhunter
3.BRB
4.Mongul with rings
5.Gladiator
6.Full power Orion
7.Thor
8.Classic Infinity Man
9.Vand V Despero
10. Angel Supergirl
11.Takion with High Father's staff
12.Blue Green Hal Jordan

1. Henshaw wins. I don't think I've seen Surfer drain emotional spectrum.

2. Surfer wins. No problem.
3. Surfer wins again.
4. Surfer wins again and has proven it.
5. Same with Mongul. Mongul will win.
6. Surfer beats Glads.
7. Fully powered Orion rips out Norrins heart. Too powerful.
8. IM wins. Too powerful.
9. Despero wins.
10. Angel Supergirl wins.
11. Takion wins.
12. Hal wins.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He doesn't need that significant of a power up, don't you remember the time he almost killed Thor with a warning blast(which was also from the period of Norrin's depowerment) .

Like I said, even back then the relative power between the two varied a lot.

Poor Surfer fans. Their so desperate for feats that their resorting to hyperbole that was contradicted in the same issue.

Surfer blasted Thor with the intention of taking him out after Thor was staggered by the Valkyrie. And the kicker is? Thor would have been drained more so than the other Avengers as he was at that specific area longer than the rest. It's no surprise then a loss in strength was first noted for Thor (At least I'm pretty sure it was.).

Norrin was still depowered during that time? I guess it makes him stalemating Iron Man seem a bit better.

Edit: So what else should we compare? Their records against Thanos? How about Odin? I'm sure Surfer trumps Thor in those. What about Galactus?

Originally posted by amnesia
Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.

Lol.

Thanks for the support.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Poor Surfer fans. Their so desperate for feats that their resorting to hyperbole that was contradicted in the same issue.

Surfer blasted Thor with the intention of taking him out after Thor was staggered by the Valkyrie. And the kicker is? Thor would have been drained more so than the other Avengers as he was at that specific area longer than the rest. It's no surprise then a loss in strength was first noted for Thor (At least I'm pretty sure it was.).

Norrin was still depowered during that area? Didn't know that. I guess it makes him stalemating Iron Man seem a bit better.
Wait so when Thor says that Surfer's blast nearly killed him it's automatically hyperbole, but when he says that a shot from Bor WOULD have killed him it automatically means that Bor's uber as Hell?

Like I said, their relative powers varied. I can't remember all the details of the issue in question so you might be right about Thor's depowerement(I'll look at that later), but even if he was Surfer was technically functioning at a fraction of his full power.

Yep, he was depowered until Surfer vol.3 #1.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Edit: So what else should we compare? Their records against Thanos? How about Odin? I'm sure Surfer trumps Thor in those. What about Galactus?
Or their fights with Wonderman, Hulk, and Millinius.

Originally posted by amnesia
Goober, don't start, you CAN'T win against rage.
I've gotten h1i8 to conceed that Surfer would beat Superman and nvr to admit that I owned him in a debate .

Well technically bran got nvr to admit it, but I was the one he acknowledged as doing the owning.

Originally posted by darthgoober


Or their fights with Wonderman, Hulk, and Millinius.

Dont forget BRB

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where is his feats of resisting having the energy drained from his rings? And it's not like Surfer has to store the energy of all 10 rings and then just sit on it(though in GL/Surfer crossover he was able to absorb quite a bit of GL energy, all the power from the Central Battery if I'm remembering right), the best part about draining your opponent in the manner that Surfer does is that you then have energy other than your own avalible for use in the fight. Borgs own energies would amp Surfer's blasts and forcefields, amp his strength, and be avalible for him to heal himself with all while Borg was getting weaker from the drain. It's not nearly as uber as you're making it out to be. Put it this way, did Henshaw get trapped in the Source Wall and then immediately get away via transmutation/transference, or did he stay trapped long enough to constitute a win on the forum? I mean it's not as if the nature of his powers makes him completely immune to transmutation or DS wouldn't have been able to transmute him. As for Henshaw trapping Surfer in his ring, if Surfer can travel to any dimension he's ever been to pretty much at will and escape from something like the Soul World, I just don't see him getting trapped in a power ring.

And if the draining thing is too much for you to buy(as is often the case when people aren't familiar enough with Surfer)... well Norrin could just pull a temporal BFR for another easy win.

Post crisis, Hal has had problems with energy absorption. Same with teleportation, but he's resisted energy absorption and has teleported before. Kyle has as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
1. Henshaw wins. I don't think I've seen Surfer drain emotional spectrum.
Well he was able to drain Psychoman's control-box.. Anynow emotional spectrum still psi..

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Post crisis, Hal has had problems with energy absorption. Same with teleportation, but he's resisted energy absorption and has teleported before. Kyle has as well.
I know, but has Borg?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so when Thor says that Surfer's blast nearly killed him it's automatically hyperbole, but when he says that a shot from Bor WOULD have killed him it automatically means that Bor's uber as Hell?

Like I said, their relative powers varied. I can't remember all the details of the issue in question so you might be right about Thor's depowerement(I'll look at that later), but even if he was Surfer was functioning at a fraction of his full power.

Yep, he was depowered until Surfer vol.3 #1.

Or their fights with Wonderman, Hulk, and Millinius.

Seeing as how all direct comparisons that I could think of before and after seem to indicate that Thor was above Surfer, and Bor was nearly a Skyfather -who broke Thor's rib with one hit and was tougher than Mjolnir-, I'd be willing to bet that the Surfer incident was more hyperbolic. It certainly doesn't help your case that it was contradicted in the same issue.

Besides, Surfer sucks and Bor was badass. Bor takes it automatically.

Hold on. Are you trying to argue that there relative powers varied in the same damn issue just so the Surfer's camp fall back card can have some form of credibility? Common Goob. I'm hoping I misunderstood you.

Cool. His power level is irrelevant to the discussion fortunately.

Go ahead. Thor's record against Wonder Man is pretty damn solid. Thor's been shown to be beyond him on more than one occasion.

Only under Englehart at the time he tried to give him a push would their even be a question who's stronger. Seeing as this is the guy who wanted Simon to apparently out slug the Hulk, I'm fine with it. DeFalco gave a nice f*ck you to him by having Hyperion beat the shit out of Wonder Man so I'm good.

The Hulk? Once again, a pretty solid record. The Hulk at best has stalemated Thor in strength or had the slight edge unless your willing to count that memory sequence. Thankfully we have Planet Hulk.

Surfer's been utterly dominated by the character's I listed.

mhmm Are you referring to Millennius?

Edit: Didn't intend for this to be a wall of text. My bad.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Dont forget BRB

You mean the guy who two shotted Surfer?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Dont forget BRB
Oh I didn't, but Bill is Post Annihilation upgrade. My point was that Surfer was whooping people who throw down with Thor just as much as vice versa even before the upgrade.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've gotten h1i8 to conceed that Surfer would beat Superman and nvr to admit that I owned him in a debate .

Well technically bran got nvr to admit it, but I was the one he acknowledged as doing the owning.

I got h1n8 to concede defeat a few days ago. I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by Ambient
Well he was able to drain Psychoman's control-box.. Anynow emotional spectrum still psi..

I thought it was more cosmic, but on another level. Wasn't it said to be cosmic emotional or something?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I've gotten h1i8 to conceed that Surfer would beat Superman and nvr to admit that I owned him in a debate .

Well technically bran got nvr to admit it, but I was the one he acknowledged as doing the owning.

Rage is like quan, except he isn't full of shit

Originally posted by amnesia
Rage is like quan, except he isn't full of shit

And I'm not prone to using self serving logic. I can also feed and dress myself.

I'm liking this. Your like my own herald.

Anyways, I'm off. Xbox time. Keep spreading my word. And remember our motto:

"Thor > Everyone"

This turned into Surfer vs Thor, right quick...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seeing as how all direct comparisons that I could think of before and after seem to indicate that Thor was above Surfer, and Bor was nearly a Skyfather -who broke Thor's rib with one hit and was tougher than Mjolnir-, I'd be willing to bet that the Surfer incident was more hyperbolic. It certainly doesn't help your case that it was contradicted in the same issue.

Besides, Surfer sucks and Bor was badass. Bor takes it automatically.

Hold on. Are you trying to argue that there relative powers varied in the same damn issue just so the Surfer's camp fall back card can have some form of credibility? Common Goob. I'm hoping I misunderstood you.

Cool. His power level is irrelevant to the discussion fortunately.

Go ahead. Thor's record against Wonder Man is pretty damn solid. Only under Englehart at the time he tried to give him a push would their even be a question who's stronger. DeFalco gave a nice f*ck you to him by having Hyperion beat the shit out of Wonder Man so I'm good.

The Hulk? Once again, a pretty solid record. The Hulk at best has stalemated Thor in strength or had the slight edge unless your willing to count that memory sequence. Thankfully we have Planet Hulk.

Surfer's been utterly dominated by the character's I listed.

mhmm Are you referring to Millennius?
You mean other than the fact that he withstood a beating from Molecule Man that KO'd Thor right. Or the time he had his board overpower Durok who had just beat the bejesus out of Thor WHILE he(Surfer) healed Thor from the brink of death shortly after healing Balder from the brink of death and then went on to withstand a beating from Durok before BFRing him to the far future ko'd after Thor said that he was completely unable to harm him. Or the time he shielded the West Coast Avengers from a blast that killed Thor and the rest of the East Coast Avengers.

Many comics for the period were inconsistant like that, the Defenders/Avengers crossover was no different. So yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying.

Does Wonderman normally put up a good fight against Thor when they throw down, or does Thor absolutely steamroll him the way Surfer does?

Again, does Thor have a tough time against the Hulk, or does he trounce him the way Surfer does? And before you say that Surfer always drains him, no he doesn't. He's one shotted the Hulk with his Surfboard shortly after Hulk outright admited that Surfer was stronger. And I'm unsure what you're talking about in regards to Planet Hulk but if it's Surfer's fight with Hulk, not only was Surfer pretty much completely depowered and under the effect of anothers influence, he was whooping ass until the Warbound jumped in and distracted him.

And which do you think are more valid showings? Put it this way, would you use Thor's showings against Odin as a measure of Odin's abilities in a forum thread?

Yeah, that's it.

eatermm

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I thought it was more cosmic, but on another level. Wasn't it said to be cosmic emotional or something?
whatever the case those energies still drainable..

Originally posted by amnesia
Rage is like quan, except he isn't full of shit
Oh back in the day nvr as bad/worse than Quan. He's improved a bit since he started socking, but two or three years ago...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
eatermm
Miss me?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This turned into Surfer vs Thor, right quick... When's the last time somebody actually properly debated that?

^ I think both camps realized that there were too many good arguments and counter-arguments on both sides to get into it too deep. Originally posted by darthgoober
Miss me?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I think both camps realized that there were too many good arguments and counter-arguments on both sides to get into it too deep.Long way of saying both sides weren't very sure of their arguments so they chickened out. mmm

Eye beam K.O all of them.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maybe both camps were satisfied that Superman clearly loses to the two, so who cares? excellent Superman does very well even against multiple opponents, so I'm not so sure about that. sneer

^ Touch, good sir. Touche. uhuh

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh back in the day nvr as bad/worse than Quan. He's improved a bit since he started socking, but two or three years ago...


Miss me? Reading this nvrs old post,he was pretty much rite. DS did have different bodies and did have a true form. He was also ridiculed for saying that the IH was not multiversal, that lassic beyonder was not more powerful than LT, etc he wasn't that bad. The only thing he had wrong was that he thought DS could beat Odin.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Reading this nvrs old post,he was pretty much rite. DS did have different bodies and did have a true form. He was also ridiculed for saying that the IH was not multiversal, that lassic beyonder was not more powerful than LT, etc he wasn't that bad. The only thing he had wrong was that he thought DS could beat Odin.
No "he" wasn't "right". I don't think anyone ever said that DS didn't have a true form, they said nvr was stupid because he insisted that everyone debate a true form that had never actually been seen. If what I heard about ALL of DS's past appearances being rectonned into avatar's he was especially wrong because he only wanted to debate showings from Pre-Crisis and the Great Darkness Saga, but since those appearances would ALSO be Avatars(with the possible exception of the GDS, but that's an alternate timeline and not valid under forum rules anyway) those showings are no more relevant than his newer appearances since they were ALL avatars.

He was also wrong about Radion being rectonned out of existence in the DC Universe(the moron thought it didn't exist at all in anymore just because they hadn't mentioned it in a while), that Supes survived the OE because of the Source, that DS's avatar's were hands down more powerful than Thanos, and any number of other things. And in case you didn't notice, nvr didn't just say that DS could beat Odin he also claimed that DS was somewhere on par with Galactus.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No "he" wasn't "right". I don't think anyone ever said that DS didn't have a true form, they said nvr was stupid because he insisted that everyone debate a true form that had never actually been seen. If what I heard about ALL of DS's past appearances being rectonned into avatar's he was especially wrong because he only wanted to debate showings from Pre-Crisis and the Great Darkness Saga, but since those appearances would ALSO be Avatars(with the possible exception of the GDS, but that's an alternate timeline and not valid under forum rules anyway) those showings are no more relevant than his newer appearances since they were ALL avatars.

He was also wrong about Radion being rectonned out of existence in the DC Universe(the moron thought it didn't exist at all in anymore just because they hadn't mentioned it in a while), that Supes survived the OE because of the Source, that DS's avatar's were hands down more powerful than Thanos, and any number of other things. And in case you didn't notice, nvr didn't just say that DS could beat Odin he also claimed that DS was somewhere on par with Galactus. I didn't get that at all from his post. He never said he read gds. Didn't see anything about avatars. That doesn't make sense anyway. If DS had a true form, how could you argue DS anyway? Oh and grant morrison retro retconned radion back into continuity. He also retro retconned DS so that no one had ever seen the Gods true forms. Nvr was right.

Originally posted by Ambient
whatever the case those energies still drainable..

Coming from Hal, debatable. Same with Kyle, since they have shown resitance in the past.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I didn't get that at all from his post. He never said he read gds. Didn't see anything about avatars. That doesn't make sense anyway. If DS had a true form, how could you argue DS anyway? Oh and grant morrison retro retconned radion back into continuity. He also retro retconned DS so that no one had ever seen the Gods true forms. Nvr was right.
Well then you didn't look close enough. That's what we tried to tell him, not enough info on DS's true form to argue, the idiot just didn't get it though. If Radion was never actually rectonned out of existence, you can't say that it was rectonned back into existence, yet another point that dumbass just can't seem to grasp. Again, no one said that the New Gods didn't have true forms, they said that the true forms couldn't be debated without evidence. So yeah, nvr was pretty much nvr right unless he was latching onto an arguement that one of our better/more reasonable posters put forth first. And even then he would try to twist it into something dumb.

But we seem to have drifted off topic now, if you want to rehash some of nvrhadaclue's arguements though feel free to bump the appropriate threads.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well then you didn't look close enough. That's what we tried to tell him, not enough info on DS's true form to argue, the idiot just didn't get it though. If Radion was never actually rectonned out of existence, you can't say that it was rectonned back into existence, yet another point that dumbass just can't seem to grasp. Again, no one said that the New Gods didn't have true forms, they said that the true forms couldn't be debated without evidence. So yeah, nvr was pretty much nvr right unless he was latching onto an arguement that one of our better/more reasonable posters put forth first.

But we seem to have drifted off topic now, if you want to rehash some of nvrhadaclue's arguements though feel free to bump the appropriate threads. No wonder the guy left. Seems like insulting was the in thing. Still, he was right since no one had ever seen the new gods. That means all their exploits were some kinds of avatars or something.

It's OK to point out stupidity.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
No wonder the guy left. Seems like insulting was the in thing. Still, he was right since no one had ever seen the new gods. That means all their exploits were some kinds of avatars or something.
He finally got tossed because he threw one b*tch fit to many when he was loosing yet another arguement and got banned, that's hardly the same as him leaving. Again, no one said that the New Gods DIDN'T have true forms, just that those forms couldn't be debated without evidence(which he nvr had). And again, the fact that ALL the appearances were avatars means that he was wrong when he acted like DS's Pre Crisis appearances were more relevant than his newer appearances when they were ALL avatars.

Why are we still talking about someone that was rightly ran off from the forum for being stupid years ago anyway? Like I said if you think his old arguements are right then feel free to bump the threads they were in...

Originally posted by darthgoober
He finally got tossed because he threw one b*tch fit to many when he was loosing yet another arguement and got banned, that's hardly the same as him leaving. Again, no one said that the New Gods DIDN'T have true forms, just that those forms couldn't be debated without evidence(which he nvr had). And again, the fact that ALL the appearances were avatars means that he was wrong when he acted like DS's Pre Crisis appearances were more relevant than his newer appearances when they were ALL avatars.

Why are we still talking about someone that was rightly ran off from the forum for being stupid years ago anyway? Like I said if you think his old arguements are right then feel free to bump the threads they were in... no one is worth the effort.

Orion tapped into his godly form in Countdown when he ripped out Darkseid's heart and repelled the JLA away.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Orion tapped into his godly form in Countdown when he ripped out Darkseid's heart and repelled the JLA away.
I never meant to say that the New Gods true forms were STILL an unknown, but at the time they were.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
no one is worth the effort.
True dat' he's definately not worth the effort. I don't know why you felt compelled to defend him for THIS long when everyone from that period knows just how bad he was. If you don't nbelieve me, just ask anyone other than Trick.

Originally posted by darthgoober
True dat' he's definately not worth the effort. I don't know why you felt compelled to defend him for THIS long when everyone from that period knows just how bad he was. If you don't nbelieve me, just ask anyone other than Trick. who is Trick? Haven't seen anyposters named Trick.

i THINK he is a troll, he really hates quan.

Originally posted by amnesia
i THINK he is a troll, he really hates quan. Not sure what a Troll is. Some sort of board insult? And lots of posters hate Quan so that could be anyone.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Reading this nvrs old post,he was pretty much rite. DS did have different bodies and did have a true form. He was also ridiculed for saying that the IH was not multiversal, that lassic beyonder was not more powerful than LT, etc he wasn't that bad. The only thing he had wrong was that he thought DS could beat Odin. I love when nvr talks about how he was right while pretending not to be nvr.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Reading this nvrs old post,he was pretty much rite. DS did have different bodies and did have a true form. He was also ridiculed for saying that the IH was not multiversal, that lassic beyonder was not more powerful than LT, etc he wasn't that bad. The only thing he had wrong was that he thought DS could beat Odin.

Chek out the Number 5:
http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/

Originally posted by lightyeargee
who is Trick? Haven't seen anyposters named Trick.
He was the guy who actually believed the crap nvr would spew when nvr would start making stuff or misrepresenting feats. Haven't seen him in a while now though...

Anyway, did you want to talk anymore about Surfer and Henshaw(or most any of his other opponents for that matter) or has this thread already served it's purpose IYO?

Originally posted by darthgoober
He was the guy who actually believed the crap nvr would spew when nvr would start making stuff or misrepresenting feats. Haven't seen him in a while now though...

Anyway, did you want to talk anymore about Surfer and Henshaw(or most any of his other opponents for that matter) or has this thread already served it's purpose IYO? as far as henshaw goes, I am pretty sure DS destroyed Henshaw's body and trapped his soul and mind at the same time. I haven't seen surfer destroy something fully that can with stand galaxy busting energy. Let alone trap a mind,soul at once.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
as far as henshaw goes, I am pretty sure DS destroyed Henshaw's body and trapped his soul and mind at the same time. I haven't seen surfer destroy something fully that can with stand galaxy busting energy. Let alone trap a mind,soul at once.
Pretty sure as in "I'm guessing" or pretty sure as in "I saw it printed in a comic", because from what I remember he just transmuted the guy(been a while since I read HP though so I guess I could be wrong)?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pretty sure as in "I'm guessing" or pretty sure as in "I saw it printed in a comic", because from what I remember he just transmuted the guy(been a while since I read HP though so I guess I could be wrong)? DS blew his body to nothing.No transmuting. He trapper his soul in some sphere. I don't know if surfer could do that. Henshaw would likely manipulate surfer's board into a new body. Now that would be some shit.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Pretty sure as in "I'm guessing" or pretty sure as in "I saw it printed in a comic", because from what I remember he just transmuted the guy(been a while since I read HP though so I guess I could be wrong)?
Superman confirmed to Darkseid that the last time he had seen Henshaw destroyed he knew that his consiousness was still traveling through space. When Darkseid hit him with the OE Superman was actually horrified because it was as if Henshaw had been completely erased. In truth he trapped the Cyborg in a tiny metal ball.

Here are the scans (thanks KM):
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-44.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-45.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-02.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-03.jpg

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman confirmed to Darkseid that the last time he had seen Henshaw destroyed he knew that his consiousness was still traveling through space. When Darkseid hit him with the OE Superman was actually horrified because it was as if Henshaw had been completely erased. In truth he trapped the Cyborg in a tiny metal ball.

Here are the scans (thanks KM):
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-44.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-45.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-02.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-03.jpg
Ah thanks. I remembered the visuals on the blast and that Borg ended up as a small ball, but the details were still fuzzy.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
DS blew his body to nothing.No transmuting. He trapper his soul in some sphere. I don't know if surfer could do that. Henshaw would likely manipulate surfer's board into a new body. Now that would be some shit.
So his spirit/soul/consciousness is vulnerable to manipulation then? In that case Surfer should be able to pull of the feat since he's manipulated both psychic and spiritual energy on panel and trapped Legacy mind, soul, and all inside his Surfboard before. That's not to say it'd be an easy task for him but it should be well within his abilities(especially if he weakens Borg first).

And no, he wouldn't be able to take over Surfer's board. Not only is it composed of solidified cosmic energy rather than metal, it's been repeatedly established that Surfer's board is part of him. At best(assuming that Borg can take control of solidified cosmic energy in the first place) we're talking about a contest of wills, and I'd be willing to bet that Surfer's feats in that department trump Borgs.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Reading this nvrs old post,he was pretty much rite. DS did have different bodies and did have a true form. He was also ridiculed for saying that the IH was not multiversal, that lassic beyonder was not more powerful than LT, etc he wasn't that bad. The only thing he had wrong was that he thought DS could beat Odin. i loooove how you know EXACTLY what goob is referring to from as least information as possible. shocklaugh

Originally posted by Mindset
I love when nvr talks about how he was right while pretending not to be nvr. lol,is that talking in the what.....4th person? laughcry

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah thanks. I remembered the visuals on the blast and that Borg ended up as a small ball, but the details were still fuzzy.


So his spirit/soul/consciousness is vulnerable to manipulation then? In that case Surfer should be able to pull of the feat since he's manipulated both psychic and spiritual energy on panel and trapped Legacy mind, soul, and all inside his Surfboard before. That's not to say it'd be an easy task for him but it should be well within his abilities(especially if he weakens Borg first).

And no, he wouldn't be able to take over Surfer's board. Not only is it composed of solidified cosmic energy rather than metal, it's been repeatedly established that Surfer's board is part of him. At best(assuming that Borg can take control of solidified cosmic energy in the first place) we're talking about a contest of wills, and I'd be willing to bet that Surfer's feats in that department trump Borgs. In this instance, surfer has to get past Borg's rings. Ten of them.that he can ontinually make on the fly.Borg is a beast on manipulation.took ganthet hours to make one GL ring. Borg makes Q rings on the fly. Also borg manipulated source wall. Something not even abstracts and sky fathers ould do. His will is uber and so is his ability to manipulaye solid energy.which is what the source wall is. Plus DS blasted Borg when he was fully rested and back to full power.Surfer Won't have that luxury.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i loooove how you know EXACTLY what goob is referring to from as least information as possible. shocklaugh

lol,is that talking in the what.....4th person? laughcry
Let's call it "Vicarious Third Person"

Originally posted by lightyeargee
In this instance, surfer has to get past Borg's rings. Ten of them.that he can ontinually make on the fly.Borg is a beast on manipulation.took ganthet hours to make one GL ring. Borg makes Q rings on the fly. Also borg manipulated source wall. Something not even abstracts and sky fathers ould do. His will is uber and so is his ability to manipulaye solid energy.which is what the source wall is. Plus DS blasted Borg when he was fully rested and back to full power.Surfer Won't have that luxury.
Shouldn't be too much of a problem unless Henshaw has some decent resistance feats I'm unaware of. Again, did Borg get trapped in the Source Wall and immediately escape, or was he trapped there long enough to constitute a win on the Forum? Would you like to do a feat for feat comparison of willpower between the two? And did you miss what I said earlier about the benefits of draining...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where is his feats of resisting having the energy drained from his rings? And it's not like Surfer has to store the energy of all 10 rings and then just sit on it(though in GL/Surfer crossover he was able to absorb quite a bit of GL energy, all the power from the Central Battery if I'm remembering right), the best part about draining your opponent in the manner that Surfer does is that you then have energy other than your own avalible for use in the fight. Borgs own energies would amp Surfer's blasts and forcefields, amp his strength, and be avalible for him to heal himself with all while Borg was getting weaker from the drain. It's not nearly as uber as you're making it out to be. Put it this way, did Henshaw get trapped in the Source Wall and then immediately get away via transmutation/transference, or did he stay trapped long enough to constitute a win on the forum? I mean it's not as if the nature of his powers makes him completely immune to transmutation or DS wouldn't have been able to transmute him. As for Henshaw trapping Surfer in his ring, if Surfer can travel to any dimension he's ever been to pretty much at will and escape from something like the Soul World, I just don't see him getting trapped in a power ring.

And if the draining thing is too much for you to buy(as is often the case when people aren't familiar enough with Surfer)... well Norrin could just pull a temporal BFR for another easy win.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Shouldn't be too much of a problem unless Henshaw has some decent resistance feats I'm unaware of. Again, did Borg get trapped in the Source Wall and immediately escape, or was he trapped there long enough to constitute a win on the Forum? Would you like to do a feat for feat comparison of willpower between the two? And did you miss what I said earlier about the benefits of draining... Each ring has herald lvl power. So show me surfer draining ten heralds at one time to complete dryness,while also fighting. The rings aren't borgs only options. He'd be using them in conjuntion with all of his other powers. I also believe the soirce wall to be greater than surfer's baod. Ant see it trapping DS or promethian giants.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/kobe.gif

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Each ring has herald lvl power. So show me surfer draining ten heralds at one time to complete dryness,while also fighting. The rings aren't borgs only options. He'd be using them in conjuntion with all of his other powers. I also believe the soirce wall to be greater than surfer's baod. Ant see it trapping DS or promethian giants.
You're dodging and you didn't address a single one of my points.

1. Does Henshaw have some decent resistance feats against draining and/or transmutation that I'm unaware of?

2. Did Borg immediately escape the Source Wall, or was he trapped long enough to constitute a forum win?

3. Does Henshaw have any feats that show his will to be supperior to what Surfer's shown in willpower?

I love how Surfer fans put him on Galactus level with all of his feats and yet they seem to forget that He is only 1% of REGULAR GALACTUS and also disregard completelly that according to the creator Thor > SS. Based on all this all of the surfer feats should be cut in half and PLACED BELOW ANY OF THOSE OF THOR.

I just don't get it, writters seem to completelly forget the power hierarchy stablished by the creator of the Marvel Universe. Also completelly insane How SS can survive the crushing force of a black hole but get KO by Thor's blows

People claim that Hulk fans are the worst, but seriously We should take a look at the SS camp.

Yes He is powerful, but not more powerful than THOR According to the CREATOR which should be gospel.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
So show me surfer draining ten heralds at one time to complete dryness,while also fighting.

Originally posted by biensalsa
wait, who are you again?

"Jul 5th, 2010"

you're too new to be acting like a crotchity old forum geezer

Originally posted by psycho gundam


wait, who are you again?

"Jul 5th, 2010"

you're too new to be acting like a crotchity old forum geezer

Yes but been reading for far more than that

Originally posted by biensalsa
I love how Surfer fans put him on Galactus level with all of his feats and yet they seem to forget that He is only 1% of REGULAR GALACTUS and also disregard completelly that according to the creator Thor > SS. Based on all this all of the surfer feats should be cut in half and PLACED BELOW ANY OF THOSE OF THOR.

I just don't get it, writters seem to completelly forget the power hierarchy stablished by the creator of the Marvel Universe. Also completelly insane How SS can survive the crushing force of a black hole but get KO by Thor's blows

People claim that Hulk fans are the worst, but seriously We should take a look at the SS camp.

Yes He is powerful, but not more powerful than THOR According to the CREATOR which should be gospel.
So you're saying that only a Galactus level being could drain a Power Ring now... seriously?

And lol at the rest. You're probably one of those that thinks that Darkseid is on Galactus's level because of Kirby's original intention, and since Thanos's creator intended him to be the equivelent of Darkseid, it must mean that Thanos was on Galactus's level even BEFORE his upgrades... right? And I suppose we should toss anything from Supes that goes beyond what HIS creators envisioned also...

lightyear if you think nvr has some brains I think reading this thread should show how wrong you are (remember the good times darth?)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=434957&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by biensalsa
I love how Surfer fans put him on Galactus level with all of his feats and yet they seem to forget that He is only 1% of REGULAR GALACTUS and also disregard completelly that according to the creator Thor > SS. Based on all this all of the surfer feats should be cut in half and PLACED BELOW ANY OF THOSE OF THOR.

I just don't get it, writters seem to completelly forget the power hierarchy stablished by the creator of the Marvel Universe. Also completelly insane How SS can survive the crushing force of a black hole but get KO by Thor's blows

People claim that Hulk fans are the worst, but seriously We should take a look at the SS camp.

Yes He is powerful, but not more powerful than THOR According to the CREATOR which should be gospel.
I guess superman can't fly either.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lightyear if you think nvr has some brains I think reading this thread should show how wrong you are (remember the good times darth?)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=434957&pagenumber=1
Wow that brings back some memories... now I'm thinking about bumping some Anti-Monitor threads...

Yeah he was such a wuss there. When you asked him for proof he like freaked out.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're dodging and you didn't address a single one of my points.

1. Does Henshaw have some decent resistance feats against draining and/or transmutation that I'm unaware of?

2. Did Borg immediately escape the Source Wall, or was he trapped long enough to constitute a forum win?

3. Does Henshaw have any feats that show his will to be supperior to what Surfer's shown in willpower? Henshaw himself is a high energy and matter manipulator so I figure he would get the same assumption that manipulators get. Plus he has resisted being manipulated into perm source wall. Source wall has trapped beings that are abstract. So him getting out is still indication that surfer's board would be child's play. Unless surfer has Tenebrious or aegis in his board as some proof that his board is equal to the source wall. Also, Henshaw's will is amazing. His will was so poqweful that he willed himself out of the sorce wall. Only DS has such a feat. And he has will in spades.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Henshaw himself is a high energy and matter manipulator so I figure he would get the same assumption that manipulators get. Plus he has resisted being manipulated into perm source wall. Source wall has trapped beings that are abstract. So him getting out is still indication that surfer's board would be child's play. Unless surfer has Tenebrious or aegis in his board as some proof that his board is equal to the source wall. Also, Henshaw's will is amazing. His will was so poqweful that he willed himself out of the sorce wall. Only DS has such a feat. And he has will in spades.

He does, the assumption that he can pull off certain stuff if he has similar feats of a relevant nature. There's relatively little we just assume with no feats.

Did he escape the Source Wall right away or not? Stop dodging the question.

Was his escape actually attributed to willpower on panel? Just asking because I seem to remember you attributing it to his powers...

Originally posted by darthgoober
He does, the assumption that he can pull off certain stuff if he has similar feats of a relevant nature. There's relatively little we just assume with no feats.

Did he escape the Source Wall right away or not? Stop dodging the question.

Was his escape actually attributed to willpower on panel? Just asking because I seem to remember you attributing it to his powers... Of ourse power and will power go hand in hand.

You didn't answer his question.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Of ourse power and will power go hand in hand.
Where does it attribute the escape to Henshaw's willpower?

And how long did it take him to escape?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where does it attribute the escape to Henshaw's willpower?

And how long did it take him to escape? It didn't attribute his escape to either. Power or will power. But we know DS specifically used will power and power to escape and send his consciousness out. Since he is the only other being to have the feat, we can assume it is also from will power and power. And it doesn't matter how long it took for him to get out. Surfer's board is not the source wall. So your point is moot. Source wallholding back the omnipotent energies of the source while separating the bleed>surfer's board. And it wasn't specified how long it took henshaw to manipulate.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
It didn't attribute his escape to either. Power or will power. But we know DS specifically used will power and power to escape and send his consciousness out. Since he is the only other being to have the feat, we can assume it is also from will power and power. And it doesn't matter how long it took for him to get out. Surfer's board is not the source wall. So your point is moot. Source wallholding back the omnipotent energies of the source while separating the bleed>surfer's board. And it wasn't specified how long it took henshaw to manipulate.
Ah so you're ASSUMING that Henshaw escaped the same way DS did, even though it happened off panel.

Of course it matters how long it took. If he doesn't have anything in the way of feats to suggest that he can counter transmutaion in a reasonable amount of time in a forum fight, then we shouldn't just assume he has the ability. Lunatik has an evolution ability similar to DD and was eventually able to escape after Surfer tied his physical form to whatever planet that was. But the fact that he eventually escaped doesn't mean that GL would fail at transmuting his biology again, just that Lunatik would get around it EVENTUALLY.

Originally posted by King Kandy
lightyear if you think nvr has some brains I think reading this thread should show how wrong you are (remember the good times darth?)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=434957&pagenumber=1 probably my favorite thread

nvr lied...and lied... and lied, and then the entire forum just stoned him to death