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No intangibility. Fight on Avengers mansion.

Vision.He can still be diamond hard.

People have still put him down though when he's at his densest.

If this is purely H2H and Vision cant use his solar blasts, i'd give Sasquatch a slight majority.

He can use blasts.

They won't hurt Sasquatch.

Sasquatch

If you said intangiability I would give Vision the nod, without it Sasquatch.

Originally posted by -K-M-
If you said intangiability I would give Vision the nod, without it Sasquatch. Yep, a alternate version of Vision put Sasquatch down once doing that iirc.

I wouldn't be so quick to give it to Sasquatch. At one point he was pretty impressive physically. He went toe to toe and fought Wonder Man to a stalemate. At one point, he was even completely unaffected by punches from Hyperion. Hyperion and Wonder Man are at the very least on Sasquatch's level strength wise.

I could see Vision take it here. At least 70's-80's Englehart Vision. From what I recall, if you weren't as strong as Thor, you weren't taking down Vision. Not on a good day.

I want old school Vision back. I want Wanda back. I want a well written Wonder Man back. F*ck Luke Cage, f*ck Spider-Woman. F*ck modern day Avengers. F*ck YOU Bendis.

God, at this point I'm wishing for Busiek to retake the title. Bendis is just SO bad at times. I want to punch him in the face. It's gotten to the point where his just parodying himself. There's no way in hell he can write such bad dialogue without realizing it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wouldn't be so quick to give it to Sasquatch. At one point he was pretty impressive physically. He went toe to toe and fought Wonder Man to a stalemate. At one point, he was even completely unaffected by punches from Hyperion. Hyperion and Wonder Man are at the very least on Sasquatch's level strength wise.


I love the Vision, but am I the only one that thinks the Hyperion ordeal was just wrong? Didnt Vision shrug off a point blank punch from him without budging and then he wrecked him in a panel or so? Visions bad, but he isnt that bad.

The Wonder Man fight had Vision blasting him in the face with his solar beams and materializing his hand inside him among other things and Wonder Man still damn near beat him (stalemate). That fight was more realistic.

Good fight either way though. Still sticking with Sasquatch 6/10.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wouldn't be so quick to give it to Sasquatch. At one point he was pretty impressive physically. He went toe to toe and fought Wonder Man to a stalemate. At one point, he was even completely unaffected by punches from Hyperion. Hyperion and Wonder Man are at the very least on Sasquatch's level strength wise.

I could see Vision take it here. At least 70's-80's Englehart Vision. From what I recall, if you weren't as strong as Thor, you weren't taking down Vision. Not on a good day.

I want old school Vision back. I want Wanda back. I want a well written Wonder Man back. F*ck Luke Cage, f*ck Spider-Woman. F*ck modern day Avengers. F*ck YOU Bendis.

God, at this point I'm wishing for Busiek to retake the title. Bendis is just SO bad at times. I want to punch him in the face. It's gotten to the point where his just parodying himself. There's no way in hell he can write such bad dialogue without realizing it.




So when Bendis down the road has Luke Cage one-shot Thor your head is gonna explode huh?

Probably. If it doesn't, I'm hoping on a plane and meeting Bendis in person.

Originally posted by tkitna
I love the Vision, but am I the only one that thinks the Hyperion ordeal was just wrong? Didnt Vision shrug off a point blank punch from him without budging and then he wrecked him in a panel or so? Visions bad, but he isnt that bad.

The Wonder Man fight had Vision blasting him in the face with his solar beams and materializing his hand inside him among other things and Wonder Man still damn near beat him (stalemate). That fight was more realistic.

Good fight either way though. Still sticking with Sasquatch 6/10.

After sending Wonder Man flying, the Vision blasted him once with his Solar Beams. After that they went toe to toe a bit, and the Vision was obviously on Simon's level physically. He then materialized his hand in Simon -only for Simon to resist it- and they stalemated in a contest of strength.

I don't think a single blast from his Solar Beams would hinder Simon's performance by any noticeable amount. The Vision was definitely on Simon's level in that comic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

After sending Wonder Man flying, the Vision blasted him once with his Solar Beams. After that they went toe to toe a bit, and the Vision was obviously on Simon's level physically. He then materialized his hand in Simon -only for Simon to resist it- and they stalemated in a contest of strength.

I don't think a single blast from his Solar Beams would hinder Simon's performance by any noticeable amount. The Vision was definitely on Simon's level in that comic.

Yeah, I have the book. I think that fights one of the 5 best i've ever seen in a comic actually. I havent read it in awhile, but I got the feeling that Vision had to reach into his bag of parlor tricks due to the fact that he couldnt take Simon physically. I'd have to read it again.

Vision was definitely taking it to Simon physically.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Yep, a alternate version of Vision put Sasquatch down once doing that iirc.



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I want old school Vision back. I want Wanda back. I want a well written Wonder Man back. F*ck Luke Cage, f*ck Spider-Woman. F*ck modern day Avengers. F*ck YOU Bendis.


Who's writing the Dead Avengers one-shot? as classic Vision is returning in that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Vision was definitely taking it to Simon physically. I don't know if I saw that. You have scans?

By taking it to him, I meant he was definitely challenging Simon physically. Should have worded that better. Anyways, I don't have the issue, but I was able to find scans floating online.

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0286/VsVision1a.jpghttp://g.imagehost.org/t/0902/VsVision1b.jpghttp://g.imagehost.org/t/0171/VsVision1c.jpghttp://g.imagehost.org/t/0193/VsVision1d.jpghttp://g.imagehost.org/t/0639/VsVision1e.jpg
Thanks to Siythe.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Who's writing the Dead Avengers one-shot? as classic Vision is returning in that.

Van Lente I believe.

Not bad. Vision was able to go toe to toe with teen Colossus as well.

Fight ends in a double K.O.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/th_ColossusandVision2.jpghttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/th_ColossusandVision.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Vision was definitely taking it to Simon physically.

You better look at those scans again. Vision was getting handled physically. Again, if he didnt use his other attributes (solar blasts and disruption), Simon would have destroyed him.

Not a bad showing for Vision though.

Originally posted by tkitna
You better look at those scans again. Vision was getting handled physically. Again, if he didnt use his other attributes (solar blasts and disruption), Simon would have destroyed him.

Not a bad showing for Vision though.

What the hell are you talking about? The Vision was clearly matching Simon physically there. The only scene that even resembles Vision being handled was the third scan. And that was Simon throwing Vision off balance, then punching him while he was in the air with no leverage. A few panels later, his evenly matching up with the Wonder Bread.

The power of the Solar Beams comes from the same well pool of power as I understand it. He could have converted that energy into strength.

You dont notice the little yellow boxes with the gasps from Vision while they struggle? Its clear Simon is physically superior in those scans.

As for the solar beams, that was a last ditch effort. Vision didnt convert that energy to physical means because it was clear that it wasnt going to be enough regardless.

If the question is whether Vision is able to hang with Simon physically, the answer is sure, but not for the duration of a battle. Simon is superior physically and would win that fight.

Either way Vision isn't beating Sasquatch if he can't use his phasing powers. Walter goes Tanaraq on his @ss like he did against Beta Ray Bill and it's game over for Vision.

Originally posted by tkitna
If the question is whether Vision is able to hang with Simon physically, the answer is sure, but not for the duration of a battle. Simon is superior physically and would win that fight. Not sure about that.

Originally posted by tkitna
You dont notice the little yellow boxes with the gasps from Vision while they struggle? Its clear Simon is physically superior in those scans.

As for the solar beams, that was a last ditch effort. Vision didnt convert that energy to physical means because it was clear that it wasnt going to be enough regardless.

He grunted. How does that change the fact that he was still matching Simon? I guess you could argue Wonder Man had more stamina in this fight if you want.

Haha.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He grunted. How does that change the fact that he was still matching Simon? I guess you could argue Wonder Man had more stamina in this fight if you want.

Haha.

Assume what you want i guess, but the scans are right there. Everytime it went purely physical, the Vision was on the recieving end (except for the first sucker punch) and had to resort to other tricks. Simon even told him that it was useless and he couldnt hurt him H2H.

Vision

Also, Simon wasn't fully recovered from his resurrection yet in those scans.

It was made pretty damn clear Vision is his physical inferior.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Also, Simon wasn't fully recovered from his resurrection yet in those scans.

It was made pretty damn clear Vision is his physical inferior.

Exactly.