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Batman vs. Wolverine

Both are given Green Lantern rings and trained for a week by Kilowog in their use. Assume despite their cynicism and grief they are capable of wielding the rings. Who wins?

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Batman

Batman shitrapes Logan.

Originally posted by Bentley
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batman, no contest.

batman shoots a stream of bat constructs at logan..

logan responds by making a bear shield construct appear and eat the small bat construct batting them away.

Logan then slashes at Batman sending energy blast at batman ala guile from street fighter.

Batman makes a bat wing cape shield to protect himself from the energy slash attack.

Batman responds by shooting a directed sonar bat style attack at wolverine, wolverine in pain from the high frequency struggles to summon a pack of wolf constructs who howl to counteract the high frequency attack.

they then stalemate for a few hours wolverine can do this for days but the ring helps batman by removing waste product and providing bats nourishment and keeping fatigue at bay..

Wolverine: time to get serious, bub.

Batman: i'm Batman!

Batman imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Batman imo. Batman ieo.

Wolverine would still have his HF, which would make him very difficult to put down. Batman however.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wolverine would still have his HF, which would make him very difficult to put down. Batman however. wolverine wouldn't even use the ring outside of of maybe creating giant claws.

in pure blast off competition locking wills/energy blast wolverine has the greater will to overcome Batman's blast. durverine

glad you added that dur.

Batman's will is second only to Bruce Wayne's Will.

wolverine may not have the creativity and startegy of batman but if bat's gets close bats aint holding back adamantium dense style claw constructs backed by wovlerines will and actual adamantium claws..

Originally posted by King Castle
wolverine may not have the creativity and startegy of batman


I'd bank on 'may not.' By a good margin.

Also what's the point in giving them rings if you want it to go to h/h?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'd bank on 'may not.' By a good margin.

Also what's the point in giving them rings if you want it to go to h/h? Gl's still use hand to hand fighting even with the rings..

they all have various styles and employ various tactics from energy, blast to physical battle in flight or grounded.

what do you think they are just gonna do?

make constructs/energy blast from a football field away the whole time?

look at the personality of teh characters what do you think is going to be their likely course of action.

Originally posted by King Castle
Gl's still use hand to hand fighting even with the rings..

they all have various styles and employ various tactics from energy, blast to physical battle in flight or grounded.

what do you think they are just gonna do?

make constructs/energy blast from a football field away the whole time?

look at the personality of teh characters what do you think is going to be their likely course of action.
Batman is significantly smarter than most GLs though, he's not going to fight Wolverine at his own game if he can make distance and use his superior tactics and imagination.

And if they do go to h/h Wolverine's main advantages over Batman will cease to matter for the most part, and it becomes skill vs skill, in which case Batman is IMO more impressive.

skill for skill wolverine has more impressive Ma feats and his indomitable will greatly exceeds bats.

batman winning regularly over wolverine is dependent on his versatility with the ring not his h2h fighting skill or will and maintaining his distance.

Originally posted by King Castle
skill for skill wolverine has more impressive Ma feats and his indomitable will greatly exceeds bats.

highly debatable.

Originally posted by -Pr-
highly debatable. not to me. bats has gone into shock b4 and past out.. shows lack of will due to the small lvl of injury that logan shrugs off with and without a Healing factor.

plus, havent seen bat kraken DD strike anyone lately..

Batman wins b/c he will use his knowledge of tech to screw logan over.

logan as a gl while impressive still loses

I disagree, Logan has been around for a long time, and he has fought martial arts when he spent time in japan. He has a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, but he just doesn't seem like it cause he can go so berzerk. I give Logan the edge here cause he has HF, he's stronger(i think), and he has more overall fighting knowledge than batman.

Originally posted by hulkgoalie
I disagree, Logan has been around for a long time, and he has fought martial arts when he spent time in japan. He has a lot more skill than most people give him credit for, but he just doesn't seem like it cause he can go so berzerk. I give Logan the edge here cause he has HF, he's stronger(i think), and he has more overall fighting knowledge than batman.
Because as we all know living in Japan makes you a master martial artist. You're right that Logan is much more than a brawler, but your reasoning is silly.

I didn't say just living in Japan made him a martial artist, I just said while living in Japan he gained insight and skills in that area of fighting.

Originally posted by hulkgoalie
I didn't say just living in Japan made him a martial artist, I just said while living in Japan he gained insight and skills in that area of fighting.
Ah...yeah misread that. Sorry.

Pain threshold and Willpower are not altogether the same thing btw.

Batman(presumed to be dead) managed after 8 years of non stop torment, torture, and pain both physical, mental, and emotional to defeat Desaad in his own game and replace him under Darkseid's very nose..... Eight years Desaad and Darkseid had been trying to break him, and not only did he not break, but he owned Desaad just in time to help the time travelling members of the League coming to avert the Apocalypse.We are talking about the Lord of Apocalypse and his sadistic helper who lives for others pain and has devised ways of torture never seen by man. Bruce went through this every day....every moment for 8 whole years with no outside help. That is a feat of will beyond basic pain threshold. A willpower feat as impressive as any Wolverine has ever demonstrated.

Batman's entire life, and existence is a testament to his willpower, going on when there is no reason to push on, no reason to keep living, pushing on through unbearable grief and loss.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'd bank on 'may not.' By a good margin.


Wolverine is a master tactician in his own right, just because Batmans entire career is BASED on him being a great tactician doesn't mean he's the best. Ares has been the God of war since forever, that doesn't make him the best fighter. Batmans books highlight his tactical prowess, Wolverines books highlight his combat/mutant abilities. But the tactical application gap is not as big as you want it to be.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Pain threshold and Willpower are not altogether the same thing btw.

They can be closely related.

Couldn't Wolverine just overwhelm Bats with pure will power? I mean, just look at what pheonix said about about his will. Batman's got brilliance but it's not as though Wolverine's a strategic numbskull... plus he has an edge in experience..
In any case, his will is legendary and we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring.

Originally posted by jinzin
we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring. Yeah they loose it and get a red one

lol... not.... quite what I meant.. lol. ah forget it.

Originally posted by jinzin
Couldn't Wolverine just overwhelm Bats with pure will power? I mean, just look at what pheonix said about about his will. Batman's got brilliance but it's not as though Wolverine's a strategic numbskull... plus he has an edge in experience..
In any case, his will is legendary and we've already seen what it's like when a creature filled with Rage gets ahold of a GL ring.

Overwhelm Batman with Willpower? LOL Did you read my feat above?

No one her has said Wolverine isn't a good tactician, they just say Batman is better, and he is Ras Al Ghul has more experience than Batman too, in fact more than Wolverine as well, doesn't stop batman from beating him. Heck many people Batman beats are more experienced. Vandal Savage, and numerous others. Also Wolverine having more experience matters even less because they both have relatively the same amount of experience with the GL ring which is the main aspect of this battle.

will power wise like Jinzin said goes to Wolverine.

the whole Rock of ages didnt happen since history was rewritten and the future changed.

the batman of the future is not the same as now. he doesnt have that history feat to draw from as the current character.

Wolverines willpower has bn enough to shake and struggle agaist pheonix(jean) in a TK/TP hold.

to fight off the TP blast from Emma

to break through Nate's TK Shield.

to Fight of a forest spirit in a battle of pure will and rage and radiate psionic energy.

like i said in a confrontational battle both locking blast Batman would get incinerated.

The fact that that future never came to pass because they time travelled and prevented it doesn't discount the feat because he did it, and the story is canon.

what torture or will feat was it that Deesad showed or gave Bat's?

8 years and batman was simply scarred, no missing arms, eyes leg.
what was the psychological torture. it is vague he lived under Deesads rule not continuous torture.

bats has broken down when he is forced to relive his parents murder.

8 yrs with some one who doesnt soley focus on you as impressive as it may sound is not equal to a life time of torture and pain being forced to relive it in mid battle and breaking free of it.

wolverine has done it repeatedly with the shiva robots, after life, weapon x.. etc etc..

^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should. Originally posted by Lunacyde
The fact that that future never came to pass because they time travelled and prevented it doesn't discount the feat because he did it, and the story is canon. That doesn't make sense at all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Batman rapes Logans shit.

You're a sicko.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should. That doesn't make sense at all. regressing and having the animal nature exert itself doesnt make wolverine less willed then bats.

logan has willed himself in the past from his own mental and physical regression.

he exerted his will over his own body to make it human again.

has batman ever bn turned to an animal and regained his mental function to some how imply bats would do better..

self control of ones anger is not the same as the animal/feral struggle logan suffered with for his entire life.

^ I understand that Wolverine has willed himself past his mental regression. Wolverine having to do that many many times over his long history doesn't contribute to his ability of maintaining focused will as is required by GL rings, it actually detracts from it.

Originally posted by jinzin
lol... not.... quite what I meant.. lol. ah forget it.
What did you mean exactly? Rage is like anti-will. Rage inhibits self control and imagination, both cornerstones of a GL's ability to call on the ring's power.

Wolverine is a overated crap sack.
His HF is the ony reason he ever wins.
Take that away and Batman dosen't enen take time to blink.

Period.

Their willpower should be arround equal. Batmans has much better concentration and emotional control. He wins.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine's regressed many times. He's lost control many times. While that arguably serves to heighten his physical ferocity and compliments his fighting style, it doesn't help focus his will. And I somehow doubt that his personal resolution at the very end of Wolverine: Origins is going to reverse that trend anytime soon. Even though it should. That doesn't make sense at all.

Yes it does.

Batman did this feat. However time traveling members of the League changed the past so that this future was wiped out. In a sense it never happened because it was erased by altering events in the time stream, but these events still transpired before being changed.

@ Castleking....he states specifically that 4 of those years he was in Desaad's Psychofuge which subjected Bruce to the pain of all of Desaad's victims....ever.

Here's the scan.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Yes it does.

Batman did this feat. However time traveling members of the League changed the past so that this future was wiped out. In a sense it never happened because it was erased by altering events in the time stream, but these events still transpired before being changed. A Batman... that isn't the current Batman.

Accordingly, the current Batman never did it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A Batman... that isn't the current Batman.

Accordingly, the current Batman never did it.
Except Rock of Ages is pretty much canon. Its the same Batman just in an alternate future. There's no reason to assume he got a "will upgrade".

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A Batman... that isn't the current Batman.

Accordingly, the current Batman never did it.

It's from a canon story. That is normal continuity Bruce Wayne, just the events that transpired ended up being changed by alteration in the time stream before that point. Bruce did that feat, it was only changed after the fact.

It's like if Dr. Doom went back in time and made it so that Reed Richards was never born. Would that negate all feats Reed has ever accomplished during his life? No.

its disingenuous to assume the torture being equal to what Logan has faced since its all off panel.

since logan has been forced to relived all his pain in one stroke.

incineration, torture, emotional pain and spiritual pain...

Originally posted by Lunacyde
It's from a canon story. That is normal continuity Bruce Wayne, just the events that transpired ended up being changed by alteration in the time stream before that point. Bruce did that feat, it was only changed after the fact.

It's like if Dr. Doom went back in time and made it so that Reed Richards was never born. Would that negate all feats Reed has ever accomplished during his life? No. ... current Batman never went through any of that. This is not hard. Same way Wolverine never went through being killed by a Sentinel blast in Days of Future Past. Same way Thor never beat Hulk and Thing solo in The Reigning. An alternate Bruce that never existed and who is not current Bruce did that feat.

If you wanted to use the Reed that got erased from continuity and specified that was the Reed in the thread, then you could use that Reed's feats. Otherwise, no. We're not using the alternate Batman from Rock of Ages that doesn't exist in current continuity here.

I'm sorry you are unable to grasp that it's the same character. The story is canon.

^ You mean like current Wolverine and the Wolverine who died from a single Sentinel blast are the same character? Except they're completely not?

Current Batman never went through those events. Because the timeline didn't happen to him. This isn't a difficult notion. When you want to use Rock of Ages Batman in a thread, then you can bring up his feats. We're dealing with current Batman here.

If we are dealing with current Batman then he has a suit than gives him a variety of powers in addition then.

Also just curious....when did he cease being the same as Current Bruce Wayne then in Rock of Ages?

Guys, stuff like Rock of Ages is murky at best. Besides, Batman has plenty of messed up endurance feats without it, so I don't think it's a great loss if we don't use it.

For now, let's just not use him, please.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, stuff like Rock of Ages is murky at best. Besides, Batman has plenty of messed up endurance feats without it, so I don't think it's a great loss if we don't use it.

For now, let's just not use him, please.

As you wish

I think Batman's will is superior anyway, but that's me.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What did you mean exactly? Rage is like anti-will. Rage inhibits self control and imagination, both cornerstones of a GL's ability to call on the ring's power. Unless you're Guy Gardner. uhuh

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Overwhelm Batman with Willpower? LOL Did you read my feat above?

No one her has said Wolverine isn't a good tactician, they just say Batman is better, and he is Ras Al Ghul has more experience than Batman too, in fact more than Wolverine as well, doesn't stop batman from beating him. Heck many people Batman beats are more experienced. Vandal Savage, and numerous others. Also Wolverine having more experience matters even less because they both have relatively the same amount of experience with the GL ring which is the main aspect of this battle.

Actually Ras doesn't.. Wolverine's a reincarnating warrior spirit who's been alive since the ice age...

Are they more experienced than angels? Cause.. well....

^ It was suggested that Wolverine is the legacy/reincarnation of the Lupines.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Unless you're Guy Gardner. uhuh Yes, but there is only one Guy Gardner...and he does not share power. ahuh

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes, but there is only one Guy Gardner...and he does not share power. ahuh *watches Omega Vision leap off the tower onto a screaming eagle's back*





So... you have chosen... death. crackers

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
*watches Omega Vision leap off the tower onto a screaming eagle's back*





So... you have chosen... death. crackers
If I'm Gandalf and you're Saruman who's Wormtongue? biscuits

Masterbruce

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Masterbruce ???

Batman in a massive stop due to his much higher intellect......he would be vastly more effective with the ring any day of the week.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If I'm Gandalf and you're Saruman who's Wormtongue? biscuits

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Masterbruce









Originally posted by Parmaniac
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Ah I didin't checked that it was directed at this post.

no worries it undertsandable

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ah I didin't checked that it was directed at this post. Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
no worries it undertsandable
That's not how you start a flamewar. You're doing it wrong. ahuh

Originally posted by Omega Vision
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Originally posted by Parmaniac
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