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Team Elite Herald:
Orion
Superman
Thor
Silver Surfer
Green Lantern(Hal)

vs.

Team Uber Psi:
Tangent Superman
Nate Grey
High Evolutionary
Legion (No reality Warping)
Martian Manhunter

This is a no PIS,CIS, or BFR fight. For the sake of fairness Legion cannot use his reality Warping abilities as stated above and has access to all of his shown abilities.

High Evo could potentially solo.

Team psi in an assrape of epic proportion.

I would have thought that people could come up with ways for the heralds to win due to their versatility and genetic manipulation.

superman speed blitz solos team 2

High Evolutionary is generally functionally below herald level, from what I've seen. His one fight against Galactus when super evolved is cool and all, but generally he has trouble with Apocalypse or Adam Warlock or the Hulk.

Team 1. Hal and Orion have already demonstrated a high level of psi resistance (complete immunity to J'onn level psis), Surfer has some good psi resistance feats, Nate Grey has already demonstrated some troubles with Gods (like Orion and Thor), etc.

Originally posted by Desaad
High Evolutionary is generally functionally below herald level, from what I've seen. His one fight against Galactus when super evolved is cool and all, but generally he has trouble with Apocalypse or Adam Warlock or the Hulk.

Team 1. Hal and Orion have already demonstrated a high level of psi resistance (complete immunity to J'onn level psis), Surfer has some good psi resistance feats, Nate Grey has already demonstrated some troubles with Gods (like Orion and Thor), etc. No he doesn't "generally have trouble" with apoc. His average showings have him above HH.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he doesn't "generally have trouble" with apoc. His average showings have him above HH.

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Originally posted by Black bolt z
High Evo could potentially solo.

So can a number of characters from either side like Legion, Thor, Orion etc.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he doesn't "generally have trouble" with apoc. His average showings have him above HH.

How many times does this have to be discussed before you lose this High Evolutionary hard on you have?

Originally posted by Desaad
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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe26.png Thats A fight. Not generally...one fight doesn't determine their placement.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So can a number of characters from either side like Legion, Thor, Orion etc.



How many times does this have to be discussed before you lose this High Evolutionary hard on you have? Thor or Orion are not soloing . Don't knoe enough about legion though.

Whats there to be discussed. Its true. His showings fluctuate majorly but his average showings he is above HH.

i see this as pretty dern close....

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats A fight. Not generally...one fight doesn't determine their placement.

Well, it's the only fight we have between the two of them. "Generally" seems about right for that particular matchup, doesn't it?

Regardless, I was saying that he was generally on that level -- that he's generally low herald at best. His battle with the Hulk backs that up. Perhaps he can evolve himsel to a greater degree on occasion, as he did with his battle against Galactus, but from what my experience has been he's a low herald level foe.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats A fight. Not generally...one fight doesn't determine their placement.

Ironic. You placing him as above High Herald in general is probably based on his highest showing(s). This pedastal some people have him on is silly.

I can name three different instances in Thor appearances alone which discredit this notion of him being above High Herald.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thor or Orion are not soloing . Don't knoe enough about legion though.

Whats there to be discussed. Its true. His showings fluctuate majorly but his average showings he is above HH.

There's a better chance of them doing it than the Evolutionary. Orion can potentially posses the Anti Life or become a tool for the Source, while Thor can potentially become Rune King Thor. Potentially a lot of characters can do a lot of things.

A great deal apparently. We've gone over this in like three different threads already. His not above high herald.

Originally posted by Desaad
Well, it's the only fight we have between the two of them. "Generally" seems about right for that particular matchup, doesn't it?

Regardless, I was saying that he was generally on that level -- that he's generally low herald at best. His battle with the Hulk backs that up. Perhaps he can evolve himsel to a greater degree on occasion, as he did with his battle against Galactus, but from what my experience has been he's a low herald level foe.

i'd place him above that, but not too far above. he's a terrible and terribly inconsistent character.

Originally posted by Desaad

Regardless, I was saying that he was generally on that level -- that he's generally low herald at best. His battle with the Hulk backs that up.

really?

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Yeah, well that's Grey Hulk, and he still waded through his beam like nothing until Evolutionary went all out.

Originally posted by Desaad
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The HE is defiantly HH at least. Saying he's low herald is beyond silly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ironic. You placing him as above High Herald in general is probably based on his highest showing(s). This pedastal some people have him on is silly.

I can name three different instances in Thor appearances alone which discredit this notion of him being above High Herald.



There's a better chance of them doing it than the Evolutionary. Orion can potentially posses the Anti Life or become a tool for the Source, while Thor can potentially become Rune King Thor. Potentially a lot of characters can do a lot of things.

A great deal apparently. We've gone over this in like three different threads already. His not above high herald. Where would you place him?

And you know damn well that they aren't doing that under their own power. HE seems to amp to those levels under his own power. But generally I agree he isn't above HH.

BTW, Ironman/Thor. You digging it or no?

no1 is soloing...........its kinda hard to decide


Ironman/Thor sucks tooooo predictable

It's a jumbled mess. I can't believe DnA are writing it. We'll see after the HE beats Diablo's ass next issue.

Originally posted by dmills
It's a jumbled mess. I can't believe DnA are writing it. We'll see after the HE beats Diablo's ass next issue.


you know its just moving a litte too fast for me, i prefer Scot Eaton's other art as well i really done see HE putting Diablo down but meh, it is what it is.


what happened when nate faced thor? i cant seem to recall

Originally posted by Desaad
Well, it's the only fight we have between the two of them. "Generally" seems about right for that particular matchup, doesn't it?

Regardless, I was saying that he was generally on that level -- that he's generally low herald at best. His battle with the Hulk backs that up. Perhaps he can evolve himsel to a greater degree on occasion, as he did with his battle against Galactus, but from what my experience has been he's a low herald level foe. Based on his average showings he is above HH. Based on low showings is is probably below LW and based on high he is above skyfather.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ironic. You placing him as above High Herald in general is probably based on his highest showing(s). This pedastal some people have him on is silly.

I can name three different instances in Thor appearances alone which discredit this notion of him being above High Herald.



There's a better chance of them doing it than the Evolutionary. Orion can potentially posses the Anti Life or become a tool for the Source, while Thor can potentially become Rune King Thor. Potentially a lot of characters can do a lot of things.

A great deal apparently. We've gone over this in like three different threads already. His not above high herald. Actually no. I'm not basing it on that at all. I'm basing it on his average showings. Not low or high.

Wow...you do not get what I said at all do you

Yes he is.Originally posted by dmills
The HE is defiantly HH at least. Saying he's low herald is beyond silly. This. He is at LEAST HH.

Aren't there more people on team psi than High Evolutionary who can put up a fight?

Originally posted by dmills
Where would you place him?

And you know damn well that they aren't doing that under their own power. HE seems to amp to those levels under his own power. But generally I agree he isn't above HH.

BTW, Ironman/Thor. You digging it or no?

He ranges from High Meta to High Herald from what I've seen.

Rune King Thor's power is basically Thor's birthright for example. But that's besides the point. His "potentially soloing" comment was just annoying.

Meh, it passes the time but nothing worth talking about really.

Evolutionary got punked in the last issue.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Based on his average showings he is above HH. Based on low showings is is probably below LW and based on high he is above skyfather.

facepalm

We need an age limit on this site.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Actually no. I'm not basing it on that at all. I'm basing it on his average showings. Not low or high.

Wow...you do not get what I said at all do you

Yes he is. This. He is at LEAST HH.

Unless he has a dozen more appearances I haven't read, it'd be impossible for him to be above high herald based on his average. I have very little doubt I've read more Evolutionary than you have.

What exactly did I miss?

Haha.

I see this as being pretty close myself.

lets wait for the High Evolutionary Vs Silver Surfer Fight This Wednsday.

from the previews though it looked like surfer got wrecked

Does it? Let's hope he gets beat straight up. It'll be another place in which Thor outperforms Norrin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Does it? Let's hope he gets beat straight up. It'll be another place in which Thor outperforms Norrin. Where does he do it in the first place?Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

We need an age limit on this site.



Unless he has a dozen more appearances I haven't read, it'd be impossible for him to be above high herald based on his average. I have very little doubt I've read more Evolutionary than you have.

What exactly did I miss?

Haha. There is.

He has the POTENTIAL to solo. I'm not saying he will. I'm saying he can. Based on his average showings and the fact that he can evolve himself past that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Does it? Let's hope he gets beat straight up. It'll be another place in which Thor outperforms Norrin.

We will find out in april where they are placed atm in comparison to each other. The Mighty Thor #1 is scheduled to kick off there, and supposedly the first comic will be about Galactus wanting a artifact from the nine worlds, so it'll be interesting.

I'm hoping will see where Fraction ranks Thor and Odin/Asgard to other characters but the end of this run.

I don't expect Thor to make it a one sided beat down like in the past. If that does happen however...dur313

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Where does he do it in the first place? There is.

Seriously?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He has the POTENTIAL to solo. I'm not saying he will. I'm saying he can. Based on his average showings and the fact that he can evolve himself past that.

I don't even care anymore. Think what you want. You're hopeless.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm hoping will see where Fraction ranks Thor and Odin/Asgard to other characters but the end of this run.

I don't expect Thor to make it a one sided beat down like in the past. If that does happen however...dur313

Yeah I know you'll struggle to get your hands down

The fun I would have....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fun I would have....

Mind the floor, all that dancing could have a tragic end.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm hoping will see where Fraction ranks Thor and Odin/Asgard to other characters but the end of this run.

I don't expect Thor to make it a one sided beat down like in the past. If that does happen however...dur313



Seriously?



I don't even care anymore. Think what you want. You're hopeless. Whats hopeless? Thats I think HE has a chance to solo? He does.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
lets wait for the High Evolutionary Vs Silver Surfer Fight This Wednsday.

from the previews though it looked like surfer got wrecked

I almost forgot, theres going to be a High Evolutionary VS Destroyer Armor(diablo) fight also in another comic this week

didnt HE just assrape SS? anyway, he ranges from low herald to trans level. I believe current HE would be too much for anyone of them individually. team 2 wins btw.

The HE always plays that damsels in distress bit, which is why Adam let his ass go and held on to Phyla when they entered into that planets atmosphere during "Conquest". Phyla was concerned, but Adam told her not to worry about him, "he's much more powerful then he let's on". Trust me, dude is never walking around at low herald.

Bump, any changes or conclusions?

team psi assrapes

T2 FTW