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Black Lantern ***** the Cancer verse, and easily too if Nekron's in the fight.

Originally posted by SquallX
Black Lantern ***** the Cancer verse, and easily too if Nekron's in the fight.

The phuck they dont. Cancerverse easily out guns them in numbers. If Nekron steps up the plate, he still has to deal with Galactus Engine, on top The Many-Angled Ones.

Black Lanterns. Anyone who is dead can be a Black Lantern. The numbers are near infinite.

Naw Prep-Man, your going to have to think way more beyond simple conclusions. I can do the same.

Canververse. Benefit from Eternal Life. And their numbers are those of a rival universe +more.

Well, I'm going with BL. Nekron turns the tide.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, I'm going with BL. Nekron turns the tide.

How does he turn the tide? When the Galactus, and the Celestials struggled to keep the Galactus Engine at bay?

I'd say Nekron is above that. The only power that harmed him was the white light. Does Galactus engine have that?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'd say Nekron is above that. The only power that harmed him was the white light. Does Galactus engine have that?
This is the part that is often overlooked.

The white light being the embodiment of life. The rolls are reversed, Galactus Engine is one of the Many Angles Ones, which embody Life in an alternate universe.

Simple Answer. Yes.

That's debatable, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't think that either one is the same. I think they both have different circumstances that would make a default victory un-obtainable for either side.

With this said, if the galactus engine and many angled ones are involved in this fight along with Lord Mar-Vell, I don't see why Black Hand or any other BL couldn't do exactly what thanos did. Because after all, Nekron is DC's embodiment of death, and the entire cancerverse was taken down by her last time. The only difference is that Nekron is seemingly higher up in the DC abstract hierarchy. Take that how you will.

I think that a strong argument could be made for either side, but seeing as this is life vs death, the invincible walking dead vs the immortal, I don't see why this wouldn't end up as a stalemate for the lesser forces on both sides.

The real battle will be Nekron vs The Many Angled ones and the Galactus Engine imo.

Well Sirius the real battle can also be held in the lower-field. If Nekrons champion, is captured, and forgoes the ritual. It would instantly kill its abstract rendering the Black Corps obsolete.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I don't think that either one is the same. I think they both have different circumstances that would make a default victory un-obtainable for either side.

With this said, if the galactus engine and many angled ones are involved in this fight along with Lord Mar-Vell, I don't see why Black Hand or any other BL couldn't do exactly what thanos did. Because after all, Nekron is DC's embodiment of death, and the entire cancerverse was taken down by her last time. The only difference is that Nekron is seemingly higher up in the DC abstract hierarchy. Take that how you will.

I think that a strong argument could be made for either side, but seeing as this is life vs death, the invincible walking dead vs the immortal, I don't see why this wouldn't end up as a stalemate for the lesser forces on both sides.

The real battle will be Nekron vs The Many Angled ones and the Galactus Engine imo.

Don't FORGET Black Lantern Spectre!

crispus is a joke

Is it because of the shoes?

Originally posted by "Id"
Well Sirius the real battle can also be held in the lower-field. If Nekrons champion, is captured, and forgoes the ritual. It would instantly kill its abstract rendering the Black Corps obsolete.

Yeah I see what you're saying, but when they did that to thanos, the exact opposite happened. In this thread, are we assuming that this is a full force of BL's (100% battery power)? Because if thats the case, then Nekron isn't just with then, he is them. So in that case, the reverse would also be true. Also, I don't think that nekron is able to die. On panel, he took his only weakness (white light) point blank, and all that it did was banish him. He also does very well against other abstracts as he took over the specter and casually bfred the Antimoniter with a gesture, and was actualy about to kill the WL entity (although there is context surrounding that lol).

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Don't FORGET Black Lantern Spectre!

This is true. His power to bring back something that has been dead is pretty legit. I know I made an argument for the opposite, but it is a good question as to whether or not the temporary "deaths" of the cancerverse beings would count enough for nekron to control them. hmm

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah I see what you're saying, but when they did that to thanos, the exact opposite happened. In this thread, are we assuming that this is a full force of BL's (100% battery power)? Because if thats the case, then Nekron isn't just with then, he is them. So in that case, the reverse would also be true. Also, I don't think that nekron is able to die. On panel, he took his only weakness (white light) point blank, and all that it did was banish him. He also does very well against other abstracts as he took over the specter and casually bfred the Antimoniter with a gesture, and was actualy about to kill the WL entity (although there is context surrounding that lol).



This is true. His power to bring back something that has been dead is pretty legit. I know I made an argument for the opposite, but it is a good question as to whether or not the temporary "deaths" of the cancerverse beings would count enough for nekron to control them. hmm

Don't forget that Nekron is more than just the embodiment of Death. He is also living space. Sort of like Oblivion for Marvel.

I don't see why the Black Lanterns can't take over the Cancer verse like the way the Spectre was taking over.

Spectre is a being beyond life and death, he is God's Wrath, yet the ring took him over like it was nothing.

Then again an argument can be made as to why the ring was useless against the Phantom Stranger.

Giving anyone int the Cancer verse a temporary death is still them dying, and once that happen they are susceptible to the power of Nekron.

Sirius77@ there is a whole lot being overlooked

Its not simply Death coming in, and destroying the Cancerverse. The ritual was essentially reversed, since Death claimed Mar-Vell (the champion of life) in the middle of the pact. If Nekron wants to do the same, than the necessary elements would need to partake.

I find that hard to beleive, if Nekron is going to have his hands tied with the Galactus Engine alone.


Than you also have to factor in that Black Lanters arn't the only ones with the option add its enemies on to their allies. The Cancerverse could convert its foes into cancer cretures through Necropsy.

You can bring up how easily Nekron disposed of the Anti-Monitor. Look at how the Galactus Engine was trucking its way through Galactus, Angled Ones, and the Celestials all at once....killing Aegis in the processes.

You bring up the Spectre being converted, well the Galactus Engine was formerly Galactus of that universe converted, and empowered by the Angled Ones.

I think this would make a good battle, its not as one-sided.

Call me crazy but I think Cancerverse OWNS the Black Lantern Corps. I don't even think they'd lose a single member against the Black Lanterns (Even when Death pwned them, they didn't die no? They were just comatose? Anyone got the scan?).

Like ID stated before, the GE was tearing through multiple Celestials, T/A, and Galactus. There's no way Nekron is standing up to that. No way.

EDIT :
Here's the scan :
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They weren't killed! Just crippled and it would take them eons to heal. Cancerverse got this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Call me crazy but I think Cancerverse OWNS the Black Lantern Corps. I don't even think they'd lose a single member against the Black Lanterns (Even when Death pwned them, they didn't die no? They were just comatose? Anyone got the scan?).

Like ID stated before, the GE was tearing through multiple Celestials, T/A, and Galactus. There's no way Nekron is standing up to that. No way.

EDIT :
Here's the scan :
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TN9gU0ZaA6I/AAAAAAAAPL4/cbKL1im90Zk/s1600/thanosimperative6+-+foreveralone.jpg
They weren't killed! Just crippled and it would take them eons to heal. Cancerverse got this.

I would think so. Krona (With a small sample of Nekron's power) was owning Guardians. And this was when they were respected. He also owned a Guardian just by touching them.

And then you have Spectre as well.

Originally posted by "Id"
Sirius77@ there is a whole lot being overlooked

Its not simply Death coming in, and destroying the Cancerverse. The ritual was essentially reversed, since Death claimed Mar-Vell (the champion of life) in the middle of the pact. If Nekron wants to do the same, than the necessary elements would need to partake.

I find that hard to beleive, if Nekron is going to have his hands tied with the Galactus Engine alone.


Than you also have to factor in that Black Lanters arn't the only ones with the option add its enemies on to their allies. The Cancerverse could convert its foes into cancer cretures through Necropsy.

You can bring up how easily Nekron disposed of the Anti-Monitor. Look at how the Galactus Engine was trucking its way through Galactus, Angled Ones, and the Celestials all at once....killing Aegis in the processes.

You bring up the Spectre being converted, well the Galactus Engine was formerly Galactus of that universe converted, and empowered by the Angled Ones.

I think this would make a good battle, its not as one-sided.

Well in the event that the MAO try that, I really see no reason as to why nekron wont reverse it as well. However, I doubt that death would have been unable to achieve what she did without the ritual. The way I read it, it seemed as if the MAO needed the ritual to destroy her, and not the other way around. I believe that her absence was what allowed them to take over the universe, and that her return was what weakened them.

Nekron can have the same effect, as he is at his core, another for of death. Also, I re-read Thanos imperative, and cancerverse colossus, cancerverse venom, among others were killed outside of their universe by beings like the annihilators. I don't think that their immortality extends completely beyond their cancerverse. It was stated by Ronin on page 11 of issue #1 of Thanos Imperative:

" They can absorb six or seven times what we would consider lethal force before perishing."

So they can die in our universe, it just has to be six or seven times the damage.

I don't see why he would have to worry about both. The Galactus engine would be a huge problem were it not linked to the MAO, but as far as I can see, if Nekron or one of his avatars gets to Lord Mar-Vell, the battle apparently gets a little more difficult for the mao.

They could try to convert others through necropsy, but that would take way too long. However, all it takes for nekron to convert them to his side is pretty much just the word "RISE."

Yeah the Galactus engine was a boss, and one thing that I never understood... weren't Tenebrous and Aegis supposed to be dead lol? Continuity error! But seriously though, the engine is a big problem, but like I said, if Lord Marvel goes, so does it. However, it will take out a crap-ton of Bl's before that and I'd like to see what a battle between it and BL Specter would be like.

Agreed. To be honest, I could see this going either way as well. Both sides have really good chances of winning, and extremely powerful players.

Sirius, don't forget that BL have Swamp Thing, Anti-Monitor, and Superboy Prime in their lineup. All true powerhouses. Not to mention PC Superman.

Black Lantern's bosses include
Nekron
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1153722-no_power_large.jpg
Swamp Thing
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1760041-swamp_thing_large.jpg
Anti-Monitor
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34475/1115680-glcor_cv46_var_large.jpg
Spectre
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/914164-black_justice002_large.jpg
Superboy Prime
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58424/1311294-prime_vs_bl_10_large.jpg
Kal-L
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/823424-digging_up_the_dead_large.jpg


Aaaaaand id's favorite, Kent Nelson (Dr. Fate)
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/prepman005/Black_Lantern_Kent_Nelson.jpg

Yeah, just going by what we've seen on panel, most of the BL's on DC's side all have their feats prior to being BL, along with being indestructible barring white light.

However, most of the cancerverse beings are essentially featless, except for the fact that we know that in a neutral setting it takes 6-7 times what it would take to kill them normally. They have the Galactus engine, The Many Angled Ones, and a universe's worth of beings with a fairly decent hf. So that is still a pretty beastly line-up.

The Black Lanterns have Nekron, Specter, and ST among other powerful players for certain. However, I don't know if this is anyone who has every been a BL for any period of time, so I don't know if Prime would be included. I'd have to check with "Id". But with a nigh-infinite supply of Black rings and beings on their team that can't die, and will constantly have their ranks strengthened every second, the edge would probably go to the BL's imo. I don't think that it will be easy for either side though, and that's my point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Call me crazy but I think Cancerverse OWNS the Black Lantern Corps. I don't even think they'd lose a single member against the Black Lanterns (Even when Death pwned them, they didn't die no? They were just comatose? Anyone got the scan?).

Like ID stated before, the GE was tearing through multiple Celestials, T/A, and Galactus. There's no way Nekron is standing up to that. No way.

EDIT :
Here's the scan :
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They weren't killed! Just crippled and it would take them eons to heal. Cancerverse got this.

Good scan, i read the entire arc but i just noticed this now (unrelated to this thread), but there is a way to kill Thanos. :-)

In regards to this thread, BL win. You don't have to be dead for nekron to take you. How many marvel characters have died and came back? they will be in his service as well.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Well in the event that the MAO try that, I really see no reason as to why nekron wont reverse it as well. However, I doubt that death would have been unable to achieve what she did without the ritual. The way I read it, it seemed as if the MAO needed the ritual to destroy her, and not the other way around. I believe that her absence was what allowed them to take over the universe, and that her return was what weakened them.

Nekron can have the same effect, as he is at his core, another for of death.

The entire plot device in beating the Cancerverse was to reverse the necroposy, which takes place in the ritual.
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5805/reversetheritual.jpg

Originally posted by Sirius77
Also, I re-read Thanos imperative, and cancerverse colossus, cancerverse venom, among others were killed outside of their universe by beings like the annihilators. I don't think that their immortality extends completely beyond their cancerverse. It was stated by Ronin on page 11 of issue #1 of Thanos Imperative:

" They can absorb six or seven times what we would consider lethal force before perishing."

So they can die in our universe, it just has to be six or seven times the damage.

Even so, the elements needed to beat the Black Lanterns are still present. After all they are the champions of life. A perverse form of life, but life none the less. If we apply the laws of equivalency, The Black Lanterns may die by the hands of the Cancer-People no different than how the White Lantern corps dropped them.
Originally posted by Sirius77
They could try to convert others through necropsy, but that would take way too
Converting them was nearly instant.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3658/convertingthem.jpg

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yeah the Galactus engine was a boss, and one thing that I never understood... weren't Tenebrous and Aegis supposed to be dead lol? Continuity error! But seriously though, the engine is a big problem, but like I said, if Lord Marvel goes, so does it. However, it will take out a crap-ton of Bl's before that and I'd like to see what a battle between it and BL Specter would be like.

I dressage, Cancerverse can only be one-shotted if the Mar-Vell is killed in the actual ritual. Its Black Hand the posses a problem. If Black Hand is revived, it servers Nekron connection to the real world, banished back to its dimension. If Black Hand forgoes the ritual, it will kill its abstract concept of death.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Black Lantern's bosses include
Nekron
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1153722-no_power_large.jpg
Swamp Thing
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1760041-swamp_thing_large.jpg
Anti-Monitor
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/34475/1115680-glcor_cv46_var_large.jpg
Spectre
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/914164-black_justice002_large.jpg

Anti-Montior was a non factor. He was held against his will, and retaliated the moment he was set free. That and his purpose is to power its BL Corps, serving as its power source to its Central Battery. Remove him, and there is no power source to fuel the Black Corps.
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8742/angledones.jpg

Originally posted by Prep-Man

Superboy Prime
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/58424/1311294-prime_vs_bl_10_large.jpg
Kal-L
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/823424-digging_up_the_dead_large.jpg


Aaaaaand id's favorite, Kent Nelson (Dr. Fate)
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/prepman005/Black_Lantern_Kent_Nelson.jpg

The Cancerverse have a firm roster.

Lord-Marvell
Dr. Strange
Adam Magus

Hard to tell, but Nekron being somewhat of an abstact of Death is a key factor here.

If he can kill Cancerverse beings the same way as Thanos, then I'd be more inclined to give this to the Black Lanterns. Otherwise it's a stalemate without knowing more about the Many Angled Ones and the other abstracts behind the Galactus Engine.

Cancerverse stomps. They were dominating Celestials, Galactus and other abstracts. Much more firepower from the marvel event.

black lanterns win this effortlessly.

Originally posted by "Id"
The entire plot device in beating the Cancerverse was to reverse the necroposy, which takes place in the ritual.
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5805/reversetheritual.jpg

Hmm, good point. Howver, my first point was that if they did perform the ritual (which they probably would because Nekron is Death and BH is his avatar), then Nekron could reverse it because he is a death abstract just like marvel's. However, unlike marvel death, he is in every BL and has the ability to become any one of them whenever he wants apparently.


Originally posted by "Id"
Even so, the elements needed to beat the Black Lanterns are still present. After all they are the champions of life. A perverse form of life, but life none the less. If we apply the laws of equivalency, The Black Lanterns may die by the hands of the Cancer-People no different than how the White Lantern corps dropped them.

I have trouble seeing that, as the Black Lanterns are killed by white light. White light is made by combining all the colors of the emotional spectrum. No such spectrum exists in any of their power sets, in fact it has been shown that only multiple ring users can deliver permanent death to a BL. The only other case of this happening is when creatures that are linked to the white light entity in some way and innately radiate white light project it under special circumstances and kill the BL, like in the case of Dove. So because the energy required to defeat them is so obscure and essentially not present, I don't believe that anyone short of the abstract players can deliver permanent death to the BL for that very reason, and their numbers will continue to grow with every cancerverse being to which they deliver temporary death.

Originally posted by "Id"
Converting them was nearly instant.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3658/convertingthem.jpg

The first time with willing participants, yes. However, keep in mind, all BL are an extension of Nekron, and thus essentially mind-controlled by him, and I doubt that he will willingly become a part of "the invaders" as he calls all living things.


Originally posted by "Id"
I dressage, Cancerverse can only be one-shotted if the Mar-Vell is killed in the actual ritual. Its Black Hand the posses a problem. If Black Hand is revived, it servers Nekron connection to the real world, banished back to its dimension. If Black Hand forgoes the ritual, it will kill its abstract concept of death.

Which would mean that Black Hand would have to be alive in order to die in the ritual, which he isn't. So no dead avatar, no dead (killed) death imo.

However, like I said, when Mar-Vell started the Necropsy, he obtained the permission of those around him, and they were converted, he or the MOA will not be able to revive BH unless he wants to be revived, which he really doesn't. The only reason why it worked on him before was because of a combination of the WL entity and the WL itself. I believe that the BL have the edge because while the cancerverse beings can be killed (albeit temporarily, or permanently if you have the time), the BL cannot be killed because they are already dead, they cannot be destroyed barring an abstract entity or white light, and they cannot be brought back unless they choose to be apparently, and they are mind-controlled by Nekron as I said before. So again, it will be a tooth and nail battle to the death (no pun intended ) for either side, but I think that the BL have a slight edge.

Originally posted by SquallX
Spectre is a being beyond life and death, he is God's Wrath, yet the ring took him over like it was nothing.

Then again an argument can be made as to why the ring was useless against the Phantom Stranger.

Because the Stranger is a boss.

Originally posted by zopzop
Call me crazy but I think Cancerverse OWNS the Black Lantern Corps. I don't even think they'd lose a single member against the Black Lanterns (Even when Death pwned them, they didn't die no? They were just comatose? Anyone got the scan?).

Like ID stated before, the GE was tearing through multiple Celestials, T/A, and Galactus. There's no way Nekron is standing up to that. No way.

EDIT :
Here's the scan :
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TN9gU0ZaA6I/AAAAAAAAPL4/cbKL1im90Zk/s1600/thanosimperative6+-+foreveralone.jpg
They weren't killed! Just crippled and it would take them eons to heal. Cancerverse got this.

You still believe this?? :/

Originally posted by Zack M
You still believe this?? :/
Nope.

Black Lanterns r@pe the Canververse shock troops while Nekron cripples the higher ups like Death did.

Originally posted by zopzop
Call me crazy but I think Cancerverse OWNS the Black Lantern Corps. I don't even think they'd lose a single member against the Black Lanterns (Even when Death pwned them, they didn't die no? They were just comatose? Anyone got the scan?).

Like ID stated before, the GE was tearing through multiple Celestials, T/A, and Galactus. There's no way Nekron is standing up to that. No way.

EDIT :
Here's the scan :
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/TN9gU0ZaA6I/AAAAAAAAPL4/cbKL1im90Zk/s1600/thanosimperative6+-+foreveralone.jpg
They weren't killed! Just crippled and it would take them eons to heal. Cancerverse got this.
Old post,but Nekron would **** up Galactus Engine along with Galactus and Celestials.

Originally posted by SquallX
Black Lantern ***** the Cancer verse, and easily too if Nekron's in the fight. Be serious. Cancer verse is way too powerful to even be challenged here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Be serious. Cancer verse is way too powerful to even be challenged here.
Nekron is a Death/Oblivion universal (minimum) level abstract. He cripples them like Death did. He doesn't even need the BL Corps to do it, they are just the icing on the cake.

Nekron can solo this