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This entire post just reaks of desperation, lies and hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Headshots are the way to show how much trouble that battle was.
Embarrassing, pathetic, either word works fine.
What Warlock did to Strange was 'give him a taste of the time gem to convince him of his folly' to show him a glimpse of what would happen if Warlock didn't follow through, sent him really far away from the battlefield, distorted everyone's senses, showed him him still being a doctor, and tried to blast him once that missed.
The only time he actually got mad was with the Power Gem because Strange kept trying to prove him wrong.
All Warlock did was try and get Strange not to fight him. He didn't try and turn his brain off, warp him into paste, teleported him into a sun, actually hit him with a blast, or try to suck his soul. He tried to sway him from not fighting. And Strange needed every artifact to combat that. What is that if not pathetic? Hell, everything he had with every artifact literally bounced off his wrist.
What was so impressive about this fight again? Strange stating 3 times that Warlock was going to kill him?
The IG fight is a non feat.
And he looked bad doing it. That's not downplaying, that's calling it as it is.
Had it not been brought up as the ultimo feat for Strange there'd be no reason to talk about it
Anyone with even limited common sense can see that you are desperately grasping for straws now in attempting to undermine Strange. Even after seeing the anguish on Adams face, you still insist that no effort was put out, Doc got embarrassed, looked pathetic, and the whole ordeal was a non feat. SMDH.. Adam tried every gem and failed point blank period. He flung Strange to the distant future, failed a mindphuck, bfred him to the corner of the 616 universe, warped reality around him (it's debateble if he could even warp a Strange that amped), got a stalemate with the PG, and then had the gem which he is the most intimately tied to and has the most feats with (no one else even comes close as far as feats with the SG) TURNED AGAINST HIM while it was IN HIS POSSESSION. How you see any of this is not impressive is beyond me. And Doc has survived in the core of a sun before so that wouldn't work anyway. Also, Doc only mentioned he would fail in a prolonged battle with the PG once but that doesn't change what happened for the time being on panel.
You also got the motive for Strange confronting Adam wrong. It was not because "he tried to get Strange not to fight him". This is the reason.
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/9694351_DrStrangeSorcerersupre36-12.jpg
Adam wanted to erase such things as natural competitiveness and selfish ambition which would distort a fundamental balance. Doc challenged him and achieved his goal of making Adam realize his folly.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because that was clearly what I was talking about. When Doom was a complete noob in magic...
But here is Strange's completely not serious Bands of Cy against a more experienced Doom.
You'll notice it was a full minute before any character was seen up again
Now you resort to flip flopping. First you said he lost to Doom. Now Doom all of a sudden is a noob.

Make up your mind. You post scans from Galan showing Strange breaking out of the bands seconds later like that's prof of anything. Doom wasn't a noob. He and Strange we're the last 2 mages left out of many who competed in that contest. And here we have Doom having to amp his armor x 10 just to match Doc's level.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/2bab1e1e-6e4d-4bad-a1f3-6b3d250e7695_zps01c3b2d3.jpg
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes , and as soon as the weaker FrankenSurfer got serious, he got through the shield
More grasping. The plot had Doc get blasted in the back to play up to the dramatic ending of Frankensurfer murdering that old lady (trying to protect Strange) who cared for him. Now feeling guilt, Frankensurfer commits suicide. It was full of PIS and you know it.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hasn't Hulk KO'ed Strange by pounding on his shields, Doom was a complete noob, Strange almost got his back broken against Juggernaut. And I'm 90 percent sure Cyttorak himself banded Juggs.
The bands of cyttorak were a third example, not the same as the FrankenSurfer. I was talking about all the times Strange got KO'ed when he used them. If you want an example, Namor would be the funniest one to use
Lies. Hulk never koed Strange. Strange has had a no name shield erected right in Mindless Hulks face and Hulk still couldn't penetrate it. After repeatedly punching it he realized it was futile and leaped off. Cyttorak cast them but Doc maintained the bond under his own strength. And this is what I mean when you nitpick feats. Namor was restrained for a page and a half by bands cast by Doc in astral form. It was explained by Strange himself that he could amplify the bondage by returning to his physical form but Namor broke free first.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/273db2a1-2dec-4674-a911-b3e0e7ab9a07_zps0898ea5e.jpg
^But you're the one who wants to highlight lack of context when talking about the IG feat. Oh the hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Strange has lots of fights against heralds, what are you talking about? Hell, you just talked about 4 fights in your previous paragraph.
If you think he can win easily against herald level beings, then it's not my job to prove it.
The shields have failed more times against low tiers than the times they've succeeded against high tiers. Actually, I think they've only succeeded against Dorm and Meph, and Galactus using a minuscule amount of energy..
Like I said, those we're bad examples you used. I don't have to prove anything. It's not hard to see that Classic Strange has the power to compete and more often than not best a herald barring PIS/CIS if he's serious. Your cherrypicking feats doesn't change that.
If you think those are the only cases of shield resistance then think again. Or maybe it's just you purposely ignoring his history in favor of lowballing. I'll go with the later. It's obvious you want to see this differently so I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you want to include the past, it'd be best if you could have actually answered anything back then. What was it... "lowball, and not as bad as it is". Well no, his feats of his shield getting shattered aren't bad, but they are when most of them aren't on Hal's league.
I just said Strange can't win consistently against any herald. You deflected against trying to prove he could. And just said I was lowballing.
If you can't prove he can beat them, you probably shouldn't posture like you don't need to
All of those past "low showings" had context behind them. Only like 3 out of that list of about 12 could really be applicable under vs forum conditions. That is in no way a bad ratio.
You give Strange no respect at all. Sure there have been feats that have been exaggerated in the past but to say he would have trouble with or can't beat a herald is just rediculous. Contrary to what you said, singling out alleged "low showings" /ignoring context won't help you prove your case.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And then you realize that Strange did this while Hulk and Thor were holding Thanos, and Firelord was trying to hold Surfer.
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/TheHalk/SilverSurfer059-04.jpg
"Perhaps sorcery paired with brute force might accomplish what neither could alone."
Had Thor, Hulk, and Firelord not been there you really think Strange would have been able to... knock the two down... (lol)
Spider-Man did better against a powered up Thanos in the same series.
Misinterpretation of scans. No one is holding Surfer or Thanos when Doc forcibly separated them. Firelord failed by himself. Everyone repeatedly failed before that but it was Strange who succeeded. He even bfred them to allow them to continue their scuffle.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He'll , look at what Dr Doom does with a gesture (let's ignore all the background people)
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/TheHalk/SilverSurfer059-02.jpg
That's the same series where two Doom servants captured Dr Strange though. Same series as normal Nebula almost knocked out Dr Strange with a punch.
Nice way to flip flop the context of the scans. This is before Doc tried. And this is the scan of Thanos being held by Hulk and Thor while Surfer is held by Drax and Firelord. Doom isn't using much, if any, force to restrain them. And you say "let's ignore all the background people".SMH.
Well almost doesn't count and as far as the Doom/Strange comparison goes this should end it.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/ab4bc639-bbf8-4987-a84d-6ce9e0ab9ace_zps5f035ba0.jpg
^Doom admits that Doc is more versed in the mystic arts. He even contemplates becoming a disciple. It would be hard for him to win a non prep forum fight against Strange.