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1. Batman
2. Midnighter
3. Karate Kid
4. Lady Shiva
5. Deathstroke
6. Connor Hawke
7. Richard Dragon

vs

1. Captain America
2. Elektra
3. Iron Fist
4. Winter Soldier
5. Shang-Chi
6. Moon Knight
7. Daredevil

Which KK?

Team Batman.

batman with prep solos

Erm, Batman + Deathstroke alone > Team Cap.

Shang-Chi and Elektra can tko half the majority of team Batman instantly with the Silent Scream...

Originally posted by SupezM'
Erm, Batman + Deathstroke alone > Team Cap.

Not sure if serious considering Captain America is > than either of them.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Which KK?

Team cap wins.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure if serious considering Captain America is > than either of them.

Yeahhh, no...

In a straight up fight, Bats gadgets and Slades intellect coupled with both of their brutal fighting techniques take it. Given prep time and understanding of their opponents they take it even more.

The rampant ignorance and blind devotion to the cult of the Batology is heart breaking. They need to start some sort of volunteer program where they send an experts to high school to educate children in comic lore. Knowledge is the only thing that can fight this stupidity. I fear for the youth.

Originally posted by SupezM'
Erm, Batman + Deathstroke alone > Team Cap.

Try reading some Marvel comics.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The rampant ignorance and blind devotion to the cult of the Batology is heart breaking. They need to start some sort of volunteer program where they send an experts to high school to educate children in comic lore. Knowledge is the only thing that can fight this stupidity. I fear for the youth.

You do realize we are talking about fictional characters and comparing them based on how hundreds of different writers have portrayed them? Heart breaking... really? lol

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Which KK?

Classic Val.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not sure if serious considering Captain America is > than either of them. captain amerabitch would get creamed by batman

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
captain amerabitch would get creamed by batman

Cap wins a rather solid majority against Batman in HTH, it's Batman's gadgets that close the gap and make this a near split.

Oh please Batman is an OG and a freaking Ninja

Good for him.

Let's not make this into a Batman vs Cap thread. There are other people on both teams.

...........

Originally posted by Golgo13
Let's not make this into a Batman vs Cap thread. There are other people on both teams.


Yeah this is really

Midnighter & KK

Vs

Elektra & Danny

My matchups are:

KK vs IF
Midnighter vs Cap
Shang vs Richard
Deathstroke vs Elektra
Connor vs Daredevil
Moon Knight vs Shiva
WS vs Batman

Originally posted by SupezM'
Yeahhh, no...

In a straight up fight, Bats gadgets and Slades intellect coupled with both of their brutal fighting techniques take it. Given prep time and understanding of their opponents they take it even more.

Cap's shield nullifies most of Batman's gadgets. He's also got the clear edge on stats. And really, it's not like Cap hasn't fought brutal and ruthless enemies before. Considering the fact that Steve is likely the greatest leader and tactician alike in the Marvel Universe, I don't think he's out of his element when it comes to prepping to fight someone, unless of course, we're giving Slade/Bats one sided prep time.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
captain amerabitch would get creamed by batman

You seem to harbor some deep rooted hostility for Rogers.

Is it because he's physically across the board > Batman and at least just as skilled in combat as he?

Val beats the shit out of Cap and Elektra.

Come at me Jake and srank.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Val beats the shit out of Cap and Elektra.

Come at me Jake and srank. This never ends well for you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Val beats the shit out of Cap and Elektra.

Come at me Jake and srank.

Who said anything about Karate Kid? I don't even know which version the OP is using.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who said anything about Karate Kid? I don't even know which version the OP is using.
Classic val.

Classic Val's beyond pretty much everyone here, but I'm sure the Man of Prep already knew that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Classic Val's beyond pretty much everyone here, but I'm sure the Man of Prep already knew that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Classic Val's beyond pretty much everyone here, but I'm sure the Man of Prep already knew that.

Lord rand would like a word with you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank




You seem to harbor some deep rooted hostility for Rogers.

Is it because he's physically across the board > Batman and at least just as skilled in combat as he?
i realllllly hate captain America and everything about him. Why is he the leader of the avengers? Everyone on the team could kick his ass! i respect that he fights for Murca But everything else....BAH HUMBUG.

oh and batman is Superior to rogers in everyway

Everyone in the JLA could kick Batman's ass, so why don't you hate him?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Everyone in the JLA could kick Batman's ass, so why don't you hate him? because of his story and the way that he carries himself as a hero with no powers. also everyone could kick his ass? have you read the dark knight returns? Superman the most powerful Dc hero and he lost to batman. Granted he had a robotic suit but he lost to batman! he gets straight to the point and whips ass. oh and also Batman is not the leader of the Whole team like cap is. Cap is the leader and both hulk and thor are on the avengers. WTF?

Superman losing to Batman is massive PIS, I may as well bring up the time Cap ko'd the Hulk.

and hulk could kill cap. We could go on for days with me explaining on why i hate captain America but im not going to because now im starting to sound like a batman fanboy

I think you missed my point, you listed those as reasons for hating Cap, but Batman is in the exact same boat, therefore you should also hate Batman.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Lord rand would like a word with you.

Why do you do that? Then you don't hide that you are intentionally making spite threads.

Originally posted by carver9
Why do you do that? Then you don't hide that you are intentionally making spite threads.

Lord Rand disagrees.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I think you missed my point, you listed those as reasons for hating Cap, but Batman is in the exact same boat, therefore you should also hate Batman. no i could never hate batman (unless damien wayne was batman)

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
no i could never hate batman (unless damien wayne was batman)

Do you know what a double standard is?

i dont see the double standard of me hateing cap and likeing batman

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
i dont see the double standard of me hateing cap and likeing batman

The reasons you listed for hating Cap are true of Batman as well, so unless you're applying a double standard. You should also hate Batman.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The reasons you listed for hating Cap are true of Batman as well, so unless you're applying a double standard. You should also hate Batman. you really like captian america dont you? I like batmans story and hate captian amarica's

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
you really like captian america dont you? I like batmans story and hate captian amarica's

What about Batman's story do you like and what do you hate about Cap's?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What about Batman's story do you like and what do you hate about Cap's? what i love is batmans motivation and his method to the madness. I absolutely love his connection to the joker Especially after reading the killing joke. I love all the villains and i like his huge role as a hero in the DC universe. Not saying cap dosent have a huge role but He was To weak to enter the army so they had to make a special Steroid for him to even Join. then after ww2 he was frozen in ice for many years and then thawed out. wtf?

i dident read your comment after don't like and wolverine.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
im getting the feeling you dont like batman He hates many characters not just Batman.

yea like wolverine

Wolverine is one of the worst characters to ever appear in a comic, I can't see why anyone older than 12 would like him.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
yea like wolverine Yeah, it's funny to hear him hate on Wolverine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine is one of the worst characters to ever appear in a comic, I can't see why anyone older than 12 would like him.

Srank likes him.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Srank likes him.

He has my pity.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Srank likes him. Sm champions Cap who is pretty bland.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He has my pity.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine is one of the worst characters to ever appear in a comic, I can't see why anyone older than 12 would like him. oh and in a related topic. Whenever spiderman is in a battle 9/10 im going to say he wins. Im a spider fanboy

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine is one of the worst characters to ever appear in a comic, I can't see why anyone older than 12 would like him.

Wolverine is one of the best and most fully developed characters in all of literature, and nearly a peerless creation with in the tights and capes superhero genre. You're hate for Wolverine is merely further documentation of your lack of intelligence.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is one of the best and most fully developed characters in all of literature, and nearly a peerless creation with in the tights and capes superhero genre. You're hate for Wolverine is merely further documentation of your lack of intelligence.
Daredevil, Batman, Joker and Magneto would like a word with you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is one of the best and most fully developed characters in all of literature, and nearly a peerless creation with in the tights and capes superhero genre. You're hate for Wolverine is merely further documentation of your lack of intelligence. Owned.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Daredevil, Batman, Joker and Magneto would like a word with you.

What Srank said isn't exactly wrong. Logan definitely is a highly developed and fleshed out character. To that end, your list is pretty fleshed out and developed (though I'd argue that Batman and Joker, while both being good characters, changed and have been developed the least in comparison to Magneto and Daredevil).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Daredevil, Batman, Joker and Magneto would like a word with you.

Those work too.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Those work too. Its too subjective to argue.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is one of the best and most fully developed characters in all of literature, and nearly a peerless creation with in the tights and capes superhero genre. You're hate for Wolverine is merely further documentation of your lack of intelligence.

Like I said, you have my pity.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, you have my pity. Too subjective to argue.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, you have my pity.

Not a big fan, eh?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is one of the best and most fully developed characters in all of literature, and nearly a peerless creation with in the tights and capes superhero genre. You're hate for Wolverine is merely further documentation of your lack of intelligence.

This.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Daredevil, Batman, Joker and Magneto would like a word with you. man i love me some DareDevil

Originally posted by abhilegend
Daredevil, Batman, Joker and Magneto would like a word with you.

Magneto is the only character you've mentioned who can be mentioned in the same sentence as Wolverine (though Daredevil is quite close). Tony Stark is also on of the few comic book characters that is on that same level.

Batman? Seriously, the notion that he is a good character is a laughable fallacy. His character fallows no internal logic. He. Makes. No. Sense. Frankly it should be infuriating to anyone who has actually bothered to think about him rationally for more than 15 seconds. DC wants you to believe that Batman is the best. He the smartest, richest, most skilled man in the room who always has a plan for every situation, every possible contingency, any thing you could think of, he has already thought of a dozen solutions for... yet he has been fighting the same ******* villains for decades and he can't come up with a single solution to keep them locked up? Seriously? It just doesn't fit. The first time Joker busted out of jail... that would have been the last time, Batman would have identified the problem and solved it. Here we are though, it's happened dozens of times, and he fallows the same protocol over and over again. I'm not saying Batman needs to kill his villains, there are other solutions. Bruce Wayne has enough money to fund a private prison, I doubt anyone would be busting out of that. Maybe Batman sits down with the DA and they get this shit handled and the state executes theses villains that have busted out of jail a dozen times. You are probably thinking "The same thing could be said for every superhero!" True, but every superhero isn't Batman. There is no way to rectify Batman's actions with the character's motivations. He just doesn't fallow any internal logic. Wolverine has been fighting the same villains for decades and has failed to come up with a solution? That's fine. One of the major themes of the character of Wolverine is failure. He's failed at virtually everything he has ever tried his hand at... but he keeps trying. That's the essence of the character. This failure needs to be justifiable within in the context of the character, and in the case of Batman it isn't. Batman is supposed to perfection and flawless execution. He's the best at everything he tries his hand at and everything comes easy to him. He became a vigilante because he saw a flaw in the criminal justice system. The police weren't able to deal with these villains because of red tape and corruption, so he became Batman to do what they couldn't. So he beats up criminals, hands them over the GCPD (the organization he didn't trust to catch them in the first place)... then they break out a few months later, and he repeats the process over and over again, without making a single adjustment. It's insanity. Batman isn't naive, he isn't Spider-man or Superman, who see the best in everyone and hope their villains can be redeemed by the criminal justice system... he just doesn't make sense as a character.

And don't get me started on Robins. How many teenagers need to die in a Robin costume before this ******* learns his lesson?

Punisher is a better character than Batman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Magneto is the only character you've mentioned who can be mentioned in the same sentence as Wolverine (though Daredevil is quite close). Tony Stark is also on of the few comic book characters that is on that same level.

Batman? Seriously, the notion that he is a good character is a laughable fallacy. His character fallows no internal logic. He. Makes. No. Sense. Frankly it should be infuriating to anyone who has actually bothered to think about him rationally for more than 15 seconds. DC wants you to believe that Batman is the best. He the smartest, richest, most skilled man in the room who always has a plan for every situation, every possible contingency, any thing you could think of, he has already thought of a dozen solutions for... yet he has been fighting the same ******* villains for decades and he can't come up with a single solution to keep them locked up? Seriously? It just doesn't fit. The first time Joker busted out of jail... that would have been the last time, Batman would have identified the problem and solved it. Here we are though, it's happened dozens of times, and he fallows the same protocol over and over again. I'm not saying Batman needs to kill his villains, there are other solutions. Bruce Wayne has enough money to fund a private prison, I doubt anyone would be busting out of that. Maybe Batman sits down with the DA and they get this shit handled and the state executes theses villains that have busted out of jail a dozen times. You are probably thinking "The same thing could be said for every superhero!" True, but every superhero isn't Batman. There is no way to rectify Batman's actions with the character's motivations. He just doesn't fallow any internal logic. Wolverine has been fighting the same villains for decades and has failed to come up with a solution? That's fine. One of the major themes of the character of Wolverine is failure. He's failed at virtually everything he has ever tried his hand at... but he keeps trying. That's the essence of the character. This failure needs to be justifiable within in the context of the character, and in the case of Batman it isn't. Batman is supposed to perfection and flawless execution. He's the best at everything he tries his hand at and everything comes easy to him. He became a vigilante because he saw a flaw in the criminal justice system. The police weren't able to deal with these villains because of red tape and corruption, so he became Batman to do what they couldn't. So he beats up criminals, hands them over the GCPD (the organization he didn't trust to catch them in the first place)... then they break out a few months later, and he repeats the process over and over again, without making a single adjustment. It's insanity. Batman isn't naive, he isn't Spider-man or Superman, who see the best in everyone and hope their villains can be redeemed by the criminal justice system... he just doesn't make sense as a character.

And don't get me started on Robins. How many teenagers need to die in a Robin costume before this ******* learns his lesson?

Punisher is a better character than Batman.

Wolverine's movie is a failure too.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Wolverine's movie is a failure too.

It was almost as bad as TDK. Almost.

You're one crazy mofo.

Originally posted by Golgo13
You're one crazy mofo.

Let me know when Christopher Nolan learns how to pace, and edit film, eject some chemistry into his forced awkward romances or shot a scene without fifteen minutes of crowbared in exposition.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Let me know when Christopher Nolan learns how to pace, and edit film, eject some chemistry into his forced awkward romances or shot a scene without fifteen minutes of crowbared in exposition.

I think most people wouldn't say he's they're favorite director, but he is solid and his intensity he shows in scenes are top notch, IMO. Definitely my top 10 favorite in modern times.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I think most people wouldn't say he's they're favorite director, but he is solid and his intensity he shows in scenes are top notch, IMO. Definitely my top 10 favorite in modern times. You aren't objective though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Let me know when Christopher Nolan learns how to pace, and edit film, eject some chemistry into his forced awkward romances or shot a scene without fifteen minutes of crowbared in exposition.


BTW, where do you rank Nolan in today's industry? Top 10-20?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Magneto is the only character you've mentioned who can be mentioned in the same sentence as Wolverine (though Daredevil is quite close). Tony Stark is also on of the few comic book characters that is on that same level.

Batman? Seriously, the notion that he is a good character is a laughable fallacy. His character fallows no internal logic. He. Makes. No. Sense. Frankly it should be infuriating to anyone who has actually bothered to think about him rationally for more than 15 seconds. DC wants you to believe that Batman is the best. He the smartest, richest, most skilled man in the room who always has a plan for every situation, every possible contingency, any thing you could think of, he has already thought of a dozen solutions for... yet he has been fighting the same ******* villains for decades and he can't come up with a single solution to keep them locked up? Seriously? It just doesn't fit. The first time Joker busted out of jail... that would have been the last time, Batman would have identified the problem and solved it. Here we are though, it's happened dozens of times, and he fallows the same protocol over and over again. I'm not saying Batman needs to kill his villains, there are other solutions. Bruce Wayne has enough money to fund a private prison, I doubt anyone would be busting out of that. Maybe Batman sits down with the DA and they get this shit handled and the state executes theses villains that have busted out of jail a dozen times. You are probably thinking "The same thing could be said for every superhero!" True, but every superhero isn't Batman. There is no way to rectify Batman's actions with the character's motivations. He just doesn't fallow any internal logic. Wolverine has been fighting the same villains for decades and has failed to come up with a solution? That's fine. One of the major themes of the character of Wolverine is failure. He's failed at virtually everything he has ever tried his hand at... but he keeps trying. That's the essence of the character. This failure needs to be justifiable within in the context of the character, and in the case of Batman it isn't. Batman is supposed to perfection and flawless execution. He's the best at everything he tries his hand at and everything comes easy to him. He became a vigilante because he saw a flaw in the criminal justice system. The police weren't able to deal with these villains because of red tape and corruption, so he became Batman to do what they couldn't. So he beats up criminals, hands them over the GCPD (the organization he didn't trust to catch them in the first place)... then they break out a few months later, and he repeats the process over and over again, without making a single adjustment. It's insanity. Batman isn't naive, he isn't Spider-man or Superman, who see the best in everyone and hope their villains can be redeemed by the criminal justice system... he just doesn't make sense as a character.

And don't get me started on Robins. How many teenagers need to die in a Robin costume before this ******* learns his lesson?

Punisher is a better character than Batman.
Your bat-hate is certainly something. If we go by your logic, I could rip any character to shreds. Its called "the suspension of belief". Maybe your hugh jackman glasses hinder your brains too.

Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, where do you rank Nolan in today's industry? Top 10-20? What does it matter ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your bat-hate is certainly something. If we go by your logic, I could rip any character to shreds. Its called "the suspension of belief". Maybe your hugh jackman glasses hinder your brains too.

This is true.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your bat-hate is certainly something. If we go by your logic, I could rip any character to shreds. Its called "the suspension of belief". Maybe your hugh jackman glasses hinder your brains too.

You can rip most comic book characters apart pretty easily, which is why a prefaced by original statement by stating that Wolverine is one of the best characters in literature, not comics. It is a rarity for a comic book character in the superhero genre to be anywhere near as fleshed out and developed as Wolverine. He has flaws. He has pathos. He is riddled with inconsistencies, but all of those inconsistencies are well defined, integral to the character, fallow a set of internal logic unique to the character and ultimately serve to make him human. There is only a handful of characters in comics that are on par with Wolverine from a characterization stand point, Batman isn't one of them. Wolverine isn't a great comic book character, he is just a great character.

If a character doesn't make sense, then they don't make sense. If you need to make allowances for them not making sense... then they aren't a good character.

Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, where do you rank Nolan in today's industry? Top 10-20?

I don't know I'd need to sit down and think about it. I was largely being facetious in my mocking of him (but he does need to address everything I mentioned) but he is a good director on the whole. Like a worse David Fincher or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your bat-hate is certainly something. If we go by your logic, I could rip any character to shreds. Its called "the suspension of belief". Maybe your hugh jackman glasses hinder your brains too. His opinion is just different than yours.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know I'd need to sit down and think about it. I was largely being facetious in my mocking of him (but he does need to address everything I mentioned) but he is a good director on the whole. Like a worse David Fincher or something.

Yeah, I'd peg Fincher over Nolan.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You can rip most comic book characters apart pretty easily, which is why a prefaced by original statement by stating that Wolverine is one of the best characters in literature, not comics. It is a rarity for a comic book character in the superhero genre to be anywhere near as fleshed out and developed as Wolverine. He has flaws. He has pathos. He is riddled with inconsistencies, but all of those inconsistencies are well defined, integral to the character, fallow a set of internal logic unique to the character and ultimately serve to make him human. There is only a handful of characters in comics that are on par with Wolverine from a characterization stand point, Batman isn't one of them. Wolverine isn't a great comic book character, he is just a great character.

If a character doesn't make sense, then they don't make sense. If you need to make allowances for them not making sense... then they aren't a good character.

I could rip wolverine apart like you did batman but I don't hate wolverine like you hate batman, so meh.

A character doesn't have to make sense to you and your twisted logic to be a great character. You think wolverine is the GREATESTEST EVAH? Fine. But don't think you're the authority on this matter and everybody has to listen to you. I like wolverine and still think he's one of the most overrated, incompetent, little thought out and ridiculous character ever. I don't need your stamp of approval to think that and frankly neither does anybody else. Your own bias towards wolverine makes your reasoning not objective.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I could rip wolverine apart like you did batman but I don't hate wolverine like you hate batman, so meh.

A character doesn't have to make sense to you and your twisted logic to be a great character. You think wolverine is the GREATESTEST EVAH? Fine. But don't think you're the authority on this matter and everybody has to listen to you. I like wolverine and still think he's one of the most overrated, incompetent, little thought out and ridiculous character ever. I don't need your stamp of approval to think that and frankly neither does anybody else. Your own bias towards wolverine makes your reasoning not objective. You just did what he did while you acted like he was wrong for doing so. He is welcome to his opinion like anyone else is. He only spoke for himself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I could rip wolverine apart like you did batman but I don't hate wolverine like you hate batman, so meh.

A character doesn't have to make sense to you and your twisted logic to be a great character. You think wolverine is the GREATESTEST EVAH? Fine. But don't think you're the authority on this matter and everybody has to listen to you. I like wolverine and still think he's one of the most overrated, incompetent, little thought out and ridiculous character ever. I don't need your stamp of approval to think that and frankly neither does anybody else. Your own bias towards wolverine makes your reasoning not objective.


I can tell you why Batman is a bad character, and you can offer no rebuttal other than "You need to suspend your disbelief!" That's not a rebuttal. That's nothing. You could try to rip apart Wolverine, and I would correct you because unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Lord Rand disagrees.





Oh please, anyone else buying this?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged


Oh please, anyone else buying this?

The whole Lord Rand thing was a joke, busta!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I can tell you why Batman is a bad character, and you can offer no rebuttal other than "You need to suspend your disbelief!" That's not a rebuttal. That's nothing. You could try to rip apart Wolverine, and I would correct you because unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about.
I said that because there is no need for any other explanation for your ridiculous complaints.

Whatever bro. As long as Batman kicks Wolverine's ass in terms of comics qualities and character development, a wolverine fanboy like you can hate him for all eternity and I couldn't care less. You are not Stan Lee bro, deal with it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said that because there is no need for any other explanation for your ridiculous complaints.

Whatever bro. As long as Batman kicks Wolverine's ass in terms of comics qualities and character development, a wolverine fanboy like you can hate him for all eternity and I couldn't care less. You are not Stan Lee bro, deal with it.

There is no other explanation, nothing I've said about Batman can be refuted. You've made it abundantly clear you have nothing of merit to say on this matter... so why do you keep responding? My argument is based on points that I laid out, if you are going to say I'm wrong, you need to try and refute what I said or shut up and don't bother.

Batman comics haven't kicked Wolverine's ass in quality since 1986, and never have in terms of character development (Batman would need some character development for that to happen). Wolverine is in a particularly amazing place right now in terms of quality and characterization with Remender's Uncanny Avengers, Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men, Cornell's Wolverine, Well's Savage Wolverine (and the upcoming Jock run), Starr's Wolverine MAX; right now the Wolverine line blows Batman's out of the water.

Batman is - with out question - the least interesting character in almost all his stories, but the Bat-family is fascinating and made up of some of the best characters in super hero comics. James Gordon. Dick Grayson. Tim Drake. Truly amazing characters. Hell the best Batman story ever told doesn't even involve Bruce Wayne, but rather Dick with the Batmantle.

Let's not turn this into a who's a better character debate, because this is a vs thread. Everyone has their own opinion on who is a better character, so nothing good or conclusive will come out of it.









Bitches.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Let's not turn this into a who's a better character debate, because this is a vs thread. Everyone has their own opinion on who is a better character, so nothing good or conclusive will come out of it.









Bitches.

Even anyone wants to debate me on the matter I can prove my stance pretty definitively. I could write a 170 page dissertation on why Wolverine is the greatest comic book character while standing on my head.

I can also tell you why Batman and Superman are both terrible characters.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even anyone wants to debate me on the matter I can prove my stance pretty definitively. I could write a 170 page dissertation on why Wolverine is the greatest comic book character while standing on my head.

I can also tell you why Batman and Superman are both terrible characters.

I want a 15 page report by the end of the weekend. On my front porch.

While I strongly believe Capt America would beat Batman solo, Batmans team here is quite a bit stronger overall, so Im going with them to win here.