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Psylock

Haven't been keeping up with Black Panther. Wouldn't Psylocke's telepathy seal the win for her?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Haven't been keeping up with Black Panther. Wouldn't Psylocke's telepathy seal the win for her?

hasn't he been show to block out some telepathy?

BP

BP for tie breaker but has to hard fought for it

Psylocke

The psi blade will win this only it will be the Black Panther who turns it around on Psylocke. Can't be done. Black Panther will figure out how to anyway.

At their best, Betsy would ignore his tp defenses and senses and mindrape him.

Current? Could go either way.

she wouldn't need tp to make it a tough battle for him. with it, she could potentially take him out. the knife would certainly end it if she could hit with it. it's a close fight regardless.

Psylocke stomps.

What's stopping her from just TK him around like a ragdoll?

Rick Remender, that's who!

Psilocybin has this.

I dont know if T'Challa can handle her telepathy thoough T'Challa was able to sneak up on Cable and avoid his telepathy, but I am still not certain T'Challa will resist hers.

Then you have her TK abilities.

She has to many powers.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Psylocke stomps.

What's stopping her from just TK him around like a ragdoll? portable teleporter, superior speed, far superior fighting abilities, Vibranium suit, energy daggers.

Most of that doesn't actually a counter her powers though.

And I question the speed thing, at least as far as the fight is concerned. Psylocke is a verified, on-panel bullet timer(albeit not a high end one). Not saying she's faster, but I'm not sure she's slower either. I am out of the loop on Black Panther though, so I'm open to arguments for him.

Originally posted by StyleTime
And I question the speed thing, at least as far as the fight is concerned. Psylocke is a verified, on-panel bullet timer(albeit not a high end one). Not saying she's faster, but I'm not sure she's slower either. I am out of the loop on Black Panther though, so I'm open to arguments for him. Panther is on the higher end of the bullet timing tier and I have no doubt about that. There is absolutely no question about this, Panther is much faster than Psylocke.

Also, most of stuff that I listed does counter her tk.

Portable teleporter= teleport before she throws him into something like a ragdoll.

superior speed= get to her and knock her out before she begins using her tk.

far superior fighting abilities= teleport next to her and beat the crap out of her.

Vibranium suit= she won't hurt him if she throws him with her tk.

energy daggers= teleport behind her and stab her.

alright, so most of the stuff is a mixture of him using his teleporter and the other things that are listed but he could still do it.

Originally posted by deathslash
Panther is on the higher end of the bullet timing tier and I have no doubt about that. There is absolutely no question about this, Panther is much faster than Psylocke.
What feats make you think that though?
Originally posted by deathslash
Also, most of stuff that I listed does counter her tk.

1.Portable teleporter= teleport before she throws him into something like a ragdoll.

2. superior speed= get to her and knock her out before she begins using her tk.

3. far superior fighting abilities= teleport next to her and beat the crap out of her.

4. Vibranium suit= she won't hurt him if she throws him with her tk.

5. energy daggers= teleport behind her and stab her.

The reason I said powers is because she also has telepathy, which, especially when added to her complete fighter profile, nullifies everything you mentioned. Most of what you say here assumes T'Challa can move faster than Psylocke can think, which you have to prove. Without that kind of speed, these things wouldn't counter telekinesis either.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Rick Remender, that's who!



Funny how Fraction resurrected her with a (stated on panel) plan to make her mainly telekinetic w/ limited tp...

Rick: Screw that. Let's do the other way round.

Originally posted by StyleTime
What feats make you think that though?

The reason I said powers is because she also has telepathy, which, especially when added to her complete fighter profile, nullifies everything you mentioned. Most of what you say here assumes T'Challa can move faster than Psylocke can think, which you have to prove. Without that kind of speed, these things wouldn't counter telekinesis either.
Easily dodging gun fire.
http://i1050.photobu...zps268a9e3b.jpg

Quick enough to jump in Sue's force field before she closes it.
http://i1050.photobu...zps77fb3848.jpg

Captain America say's T'Challa is faster than the beast he's named for.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/1289773-untitled1_zps87602d99.jpg

T'Challa matching Wolverine's attack speed and toss him across the room. Wolverine couldn't believe it, either.
http://i1050.photobu...zpsa77efa31.jpg

Sabretooth, who cannot believe that Panther is that fast. Bad thing about it is that Creed had a head start.
http://i1050.photobu...zps4d4f5100.jpg


Dodging lasers.
http://i1050.photobu...zpsa6ac8a5e.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zpsce78a831.jpg

Showing some good agility through the jungle...
http://i1050.photobu...zps16bfce4d.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zpsc8b978a0.jpg

Black Panther moves faster than the human eye can follow and "vanishes"..."He didn't even tense his muscles."
http://i1050.photobu...zps7b5595fb.jpg

Scales a building while pulling a man by the hair in less then 10 seconds...
http://i1050.photobu...zpsb239537f.jpg


Black panther throws three punches in the time it takes a man to throw one punch...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s417/KingMichael777/Comics/2571317-1289727_jungle_action__011___06_zps1f91e50d.jpg

Easily dodging bullets...
http://i1050.photobu...zps8c1f2448.jpg

These scans appears to be showing him dodge bullets point blank or really up close.
http://i1050.photobu...zps01af2f79.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zpsd8c73ca9.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zps765e997e.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zps53d366f3.jpg

Dodging bullets while not in suit.
http://i1050.photobu...zps5a12c654.jpg

Black panther is at least as fast as wolverine. Black panther dodges wolverine and thinks it all a game where as wolverine is fully serious. To be fair wolverine does pin him down in the end, and black panther throws him off because the thing shows up and distracts them.
http://i1050.photobu...zps9b325836.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zps8540c752.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zps4eaced1d.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zpseb9d4023.jpg

Spiderman compares his speed to Black Panthers.
http://i1050.photobu...zps091e1bf4.jpg

Out maneuvers the Human Torch.
http://i1050.photobu...zps09cdbf83.jpg

Takes down Cyclops before he can hit Black Panther with a optic blast...
http://i1050.photobu...zpsdf277be2.jpg

Vlad the impaler who is an enhanced human remarked black panthers reflexes while he was unenhanced. He then free falls after some civilians and catches them both..
http://i1050.photobu...zps883249d8.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zpsf07bcf54.jpg
http://i1050.photobu...zps50bcb084.jpg

Take note, all of these feats are before his recent upgrades.

You know I could really see BP winning a comic fight though. Dude's got skills.

Originally posted by deathslash
Black Panther moves faster than the human eye can follow and "vanishes"..."He didn't even tense his muscles."

Black panther throws three punches in the time it takes a man to throw one punch...

Black panther is at least as fast as wolverine. Black panther dodges wolverine and thinks it all a game where as wolverine is fully serious. To be fair wolverine does pin him down in the end, and black panther throws him off because the thing shows up and distracts them.
I've snipped the images, since it said the post had too many. Those aren't "high-end" bullet time feats you posted though. They are generally accepted as aim dodging at best. Black Panther is essentially making himself a hard target to hit, not actually dodging bullets. I don't have the luxury of copy/pasting from a Psylocke respect thread , so I am using less scans, since I am too lazy to dig through old comics. I'll post some relevant images though, and sum up my point afterwards.

Psylocke deflects a bullet.
http://s23.postimg.org/544043ehz/SCAN0169.jpg

Psylocke slashes so fast, her stroke is literally invisible.
http://s28.postimg.org/scoicxfi1/SCAN0170.jpg

Psylocke defeats Wolverine(so she can match the speed). Jinn intervened when Logan berserked, but Psylocke was caught off guard by the transformation. She was fine afterwards.
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-008.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-009.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-010.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-011.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-012.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-013.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-014.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-015.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-016.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-017.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view&current=Psylocke04-018.jpg

Black Panther is fast. I agree. He is not fast enough to do what you described, which requires near speedster levels of speed. I've used less scans here, but Psylocke's bullet deflection is the only unambiguous example of bullet time reflexes posted thus far. In a fight context, they are probably around the same speed level.
Originally posted by deathslash
Take note, all of these feats are before his recent upgrades.
What are the feats after the upgrade? I keep hearing about this upgrade, but never see anything.

And there is still the issue of Psylocke's telepathy. I'll shoot out a hypothetical attack on Psylocke's behalf. The match starts, and Psylocke thinks "sleep"(she's done this before), and watches Black Panther collapse on the floor snoring.

Why would this not work?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Funny how Fraction resurrected her with a (stated on panel) plan to make her mainly telekinetic w/ limited tp...

Rick: Screw that. Let's do the other way round.
I mean, I can forgive Remender since Uncanny X-Force was(was) such a good series, but it was definitely confusing wondering if the telekinesis was forgotten or not.

It was fading even before then it seemed. Carey referenced it in Legacy with Psylocke and Colossus. It's like he was saying "Psylocke still has telekinesis damnit!"

http://s27.postimg.org/xkgzqwrlb/SCAN0171.jpg
Originally posted by juggernaut74
You know I could really see BP winning a comic fight though. Dude's got skills.
True. In a comic, she'd be like "his...his mind is so...panther like....my telepathy is failing."

BP has no chance.

Originally posted by StyleTime
What are the feats after the upgrade? I keep hearing about this upgrade, but never see anything.

And there is still the issue of Psylocke's telepathy. I'll shoot out a hypothetical attack on Psylocke's behalf. The match starts, and Psylocke thinks "sleep"(she's done this before), and watches Black Panther collapse on the floor snoring.

Why would this not work? Thus far, his best feat is beating up Black Dwarf (one of Thanos' generals who gave the combined forces of Gladiator, Ronan the Accuser, Annihilus, and Super Skrull a breif but brutal fight).

You do realize that even Cable has trouble reading Panther's mind right?

Those fts don't prove Panther would overwhelm someone like Psylock with speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Those fts don't prove Panther would overwhelm someone like Psylock with speed. I din't say that he would overwhelm her with speed alone. I was saying that a combination of his speed, teleporter, and superior fighting skills would make this fight tough for Psylocke.

Psylocke, 'cos she has boobies. And I believe in boobies.

Originally posted by CortSether
BP has no chance.

And you have no imagination

who has the greater potential?