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WB Hulk

Vs

God Cable
Apocalypse
Regular Nate Grey
Juggernaut
Magneto
Jean Grey
Charles Xavier
Iceman
Wolverine (Just to be there)
Bishop

Fight takes place on a indestructible planet.

No BFR

Who wins?

Nate solos

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nate solos May Carver have mercy on your soul. b_hulk

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nate solos

Hulk wins

Magneto solos via deconstructing the atomic bond between each of hulk's atoms.

Wolverine solo via decapitation.

charles solos via putting hulk into a permanent sleep.

Iceman solos via eliminating the energy in hulk's atoms.

Team hyper stomps hulk 10/10

Originally posted by Board Walker
Magneto solos via deconstructing the atomic bond between each of hulk's atoms.

Wolverine solo via decapitation.

charles solos via putting hulk into a permanent sleep.

Iceman solos via eliminating the energy in hulk's atoms.

Team hyper stomps hulk 10/10 None of that would happen in a forum setting

The only character that would still be around after the first few seconds would be the Juggernaut, but he wouldn't be much more than a beach ball being kicked from place to place. Every single one of these characters are below the High Herald tier.

Originally posted by iceman24567
None of that would happen in a forum setting

Charles wouldnt put people to sleep?
:-P

X-Men

Hulk wins ya bunch of sallys..he would laugh all that shit off and turn them into dust.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Charles wouldnt put people to sleep?
:-P

Not WB Hulk he wouldn't. On panel this same Hulk persona resisted his attempts to stop him. He even had Emma helping, and it was a no go.

What are the limits of 'normal' Nate Grey?

A lot of posts are wrong here...main one i want to correct is the Charles comment. He already tried attack WWH via telepathy and failed. His attack was so powerful that it nearly koed all of the Xmen and Emma was one of them. His brain would vet fried against a Hulk of this caliber.

And yet, Emma was holding him back.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, Emma was holding him back.....

Even though he was fatigued afterwards and even after his attempt WWH felt nothing. Not even a sting.

Team stomps. Apoc can likely solo, Nate can solo, Cable can solo, Mags can solo, Iceman can slow him down, Juggs without BFR can solo.

Apocalypse couldn't solo Hulk could imo thunderclap them into oblivion

Are some of the posts in this thread serious?

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Team stomps. Apoc can likely solo, Nate can solo, Cable can solo, Mags can solo, Iceman can slow him down, Juggs without BFR can solo.

You can't really believe Magneto is soloing WBH.

Originally posted by carver9
A lot of posts are wrong here...main one i want to correct is the Charles comment. He already tried attack WWH via telepathy and failed. His attack was so powerful that it nearly koed all of the Xmen and Emma was one of them. His brain would vet fried against a Hulk of this caliber.

Hulk doesn't have pis working for him like in that wankfest

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
You can't really believe Magneto is soloing WBH.

None of the people he named is soloing him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk doesn't have pis working for him like in that wankfest

What other 'Hulk ' fts are PIS?

Originally posted by carver9
None of the people he named is soloing him.

I wasn't implying anything else. I just picked out him in particular.

Originally posted by carver9
What other 'Hulk ' fts are PIS?

Its pointless to argue with u but WWH was a wankfest. The entire arc was riddled with pis/cis. It completely negated EVERYTHING that was set up in Planet Hulk which actually had a superb plot. It's feat-centric trash that had the depth of my toilet bowl. It possessed that sort of lackluster writing and trailer trash art (thanks ray) that you'd hope to find only in an alternate universe story. Because you're like hey who cares this isn't the real Marvel. It pretty much epitomized everything i hate about comics today. The need to turn profit over telling a story. But alas "there goes your hero".

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its pointless to argue with u but WWH was a wankfest. The entire arc was riddled with pis/cis. It completely negated EVERYTHING that was set up in Planet Hulk which actually had a superb plot. It's feat-centric trash that had the depth of my toilet bowl. It possessed that sort of lackluster writing and trailer trash art (thanks ray) that you'd hope to find only in an alternate universe story. Because you're like hey who cares this isn't the real Marvel. It pretty much epitomized everything i hate about comics today. The need to turn profit over telling a story. But alas "there goes your hero".

Lol...ooookkkkaaaayyyy. What i got from this is, you dislike the WWH. Don't see a problem with that. Still doesn't take away from what he achieved during the arc though and after the arc (his fts after World at War was better). He achieve these things under his own power so calling it PIS because you didn't like it doesn't really matter since again, it happened and it is acceptable on the forum.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...ooookkkkaaaayyyy. What i got from this is, you dislike the WWH. Don't see a problem with that. Still doesn't take away from what he achieved during the arc though and after the arc (his fts after World at War was better). He achieve these things under his own power so calling it PIS because you didn't like it doesn't really matter since again, it happened and it is acceptable on the forum.

Im not questioning the feats, im just saying in a forum setting that wouldn't happen

God Cable solos.

they need another WBH appearance

He destroyed a Umar realm? None of these guys could do that not even as a team.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im not questioning the feats, im just saying in a forum setting that wouldn't happen

Why wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its pointless to argue with u but WWH was a wankfest. The entire arc was riddled with pis/cis. It completely negated EVERYTHING that was set up in Planet Hulk which actually had a superb plot. It's feat-centric trash that had the depth of my toilet bowl. It possessed that sort of lackluster writing and trailer trash art (thanks ray) that you'd hope to find only in an alternate universe story. Because you're like hey who cares this isn't the real Marvel. It pretty much epitomized everything i hate about comics today. The need to turn profit over telling a story. But alas "there goes your hero".

Keep schooling carver

Originally posted by carver9
What other 'Hulk ' fts are PIS?

Even you admit there were PIS moments.

Iron Man's nanites, to name but one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even you admit there were PIS moments.

Iron Man's nanites, to name but one.

Agree with that but wouldn't consider a lot of stuff Sin call PIS as legit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even you admit there were PIS moments.

Iron Man's nanites, to name but one. Sentry just standing there and letting Hulk punch him.

Or Zomstrange fight.

Ghost Rider riding off, even though the Illuminati weren't guilty of destroying Sakaar.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ghost Rider riding off, even though the Illuminati weren't guilty of destroying Sakaar.

Hulk wasn't guilty though which is the key.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Sentry just standing there and letting Hulk punch him.

Or Zomstrange fight.

On them occasions Sentry stood there and let Hulk punch him it was mainly to do with Sentry wanting to be put out so he wouldn't lose control and destroy everything. Much like in Siege where he asked Thor to kill him, it's the same thing here where he is asking Hulk to hit him.

So I guess you could say it was PIS in a sense but it wasn't deliberately bad as it's connotations centred around Sentry's character in general. Like it wasn't out of the ordinary for him.

Huh? Sentry wanting to be put out? The opposite happened. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. Also, Hulk allowed Sentry to hit him in the beginning as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Sentry wanting to be put out? The opposite happened. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. Also, Hulk allowed Sentry to hit him in the beginning as well.

Just before it goes on into pages of argument, I am stopping it here.

You have your opinion and you have yours. I am not ruining another thread for something we can't let go of.

You promised me a battlezone over a month ago now and I am still waiting.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Just before it goes on into pages of argument, I am stopping it here.

You have your opinion and you have yours. I am not ruining another thread for something we can't let go of.

You promised me a battlezone over a month ago now and I am still waiting.

Correction to your post. If anyone can tell me the issue number before Sentry fought the Hulk, we can do that battlezone.

Originally posted by carver9
Correction to your post. If anyone can tell me the issue number before Sentry fought the Hulk, we can do that battlezone.

Like I said I am not arguing here. You're a Hulk fan so you know his appearances or at least should.

You know it's in the WWH series.

And you know what, to be honest im getting a bit fed up with it. Every week it's oh yeah i'll do the battlezone just got to gather the scans.

It centers around WWH so you don't need anything else. You always "forget" about it each time. And every next message it's always you still up for it.

Tell me why I should even bother doing it? I can't be arsed waiting another month for you to give me another excuse. I am not in a good way as it is and I don't need the same excuses each time.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
And you know what, to be honest im getting a bit fed up with it. Every week it's oh yeah i'll do the battlezone just got to gather the scans.

It centers around WWH so you don't need anything else. You always "forget" about it each time. And every next message it's always you still up for it.

Tell me why I should even bother doing it? I can't be arsed waiting another month for you to give me another excuse. I am not in a good way as it is and I don't need the same excuses each time. I was just going to say why are you wasting your time with him, he's done this act/routine for years on KMC. He's nothing more than a hypercrites and a coward.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I was just going to say why are you wasting your time with him, he's done this act/routine for years on KMC. He's nothing more than a hypercrites and a coward.

Don't know to be fair, I make him a sig. I back him sometimes in a debate. And take interest in his problems in general when we have spoken via PM. But I just think this crosses a line.

I do all these things then he is taking me for a mug.

Lets hope he never has to live with Agoraphobia and Generalised Anxiety Disorder daily. I just don't need it really.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
And you know what, to be honest im getting a bit fed up with it. Every week it's oh yeah i'll do the battlezone just got to gather the scans.

It centers around WWH so you don't need anything else. You always "forget" about it each time. And every next message it's always you still up for it.

Tell me why I should even bother doing it? I can't be arsed waiting another month for you to give me another excuse. I am not in a good way as it is and I don't need the same excuses each time.

Never asked you to wait. If it's frustrating you then you probably don't need to do it anyways.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Don't know to be fair, I make him a sig. I back him sometimes in a debate. And take interest in his problems in general when we have spoken via PM. But I just think this crosses a line.

I do all these things then he is taking me for a mug.

Uuuummmm...you never have my back, what are you talking about.

Lol...no one is taking you for anything. You taking this as seriously as you are is strange tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
Never asked you to wait. If it's frustrating you then you probably don't need to do it anyways.

What's frustrating me is the way that it happens every week. I was fully up for it a month ago. I had a folder categorised and arguments on the notepad about how to counter misgivings.

But like I have explained to Insane Titan it's just I feel very unhappy with the way you have gone about this.

You have told me once you had family problems (and fair game you like me all have them so I give you that)

But to be honest like I have repeated and you probably didn't see it because I edited it in. I too be honest just feel bad and not happy with the way you have dealt with things.

Anyways that's the end of the discussion. People don't need to read a life story from me. That's for the KMC Members thread if I was describing myself.

Apologies to everyone here for flooding this thread.

Edit: In answer to your next message.

Having your back in general or in debates. When you have messaged me asking if certain Hulk's were amped. Just like things you have said via PM. Some things like you said that I am the only person you have told.

I'm not taking it seriously believe me. That sounds like I am joking but I just mean like I am not being rude or anything. I am just speaking. Whether you interpret that as being serious is up to you. At the moment I am calm I guess.

But as I said I am not carrying this on here. We can speak via PM so we can sort it out.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wasn't guilty though which is the key.

PIS. As we said.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What's frustrating me is the way that it happens every week. I was fully up for it a month ago. I had a folder categorised and arguments on the notepad about how to counter misgivings.

But like I have explained to Insane Titan it's just I feel very unhappy with the way you have gone about this.

You have told me once you had family problems (and fair game you like me all have them so I give you that)

But to be honest like I have repeated and you probably didn't see it because I edited it in. I too be honest just feel bad and not happy with the way you have dealt with things.

Anyways that's the end of the discussion. People don't need to read a life story from me. That's for the KMC Members thread if I was describing myself.

Apologies to everyone here for flooding this thread.

Edit: In answer to your next message.

Having your back in general or in debates. When you have messaged me asking if certain Hulk's were amped. Just like things you have said via PM. Some things like you said that I am the only person you have told.

I'm not taking it seriously believe me. That sounds like I am joking but I just mean like I am not being rude or anything. I am just speaking. Whether you interpret that as being serious is up to you. At the moment I am calm I guess.

But as I said I am not carrying this on here. We can speak via PM so we can sort it out.

But you are taking it serious though. From 8-5 est, when you see me on KMC, I'm at work debating from my phone. When I go home, I take care of business and post on here when I can. If I can't find the time to do something, I'm not going to do it.

Example of this... Quan and myself started a battlezone back in July. Quan has as of yet to reply to my message in this thread and it's almost Nov. Do i care about him replying...tbh, no. The guy was probably busy. I know that when he's ready, he will reply. It's not like KMC is shutting down, we have a life time (god willing). Whenever he replies, he will let me know. You are literally taking this to the heart. Let's put it like this, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would wait until you're ready. I wouldn't rush you, I wouldn't even think of you different. I would keep it pushing, doing my norm until that time comes. I'm done with this topic though and lol at you agreeing with anything Insane say about me. A guy with obvious anger issues.

PMs...we do talk but outside of that, we are in battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
PIS. As we said.

Why?

Originally posted by carver9
But you are taking it serious though. From 8-5 est, when you see me on KMC, I'm at work debating from my phone. When I go home, I take care of business and post on here when I can. If I can't find the time to do something, I'm not going to do it.

Example of this... Quan and myself started a battlezone back in July. Quan has as of yet to reply to my message in this thread. Do i care about him replying...tbh, no. The guy was probably busy. I know that when he's ready, he will reply. It's not like KMC is shutting down, we have a life time (god willing). Whenever he replies, he will let me know. You are literally taking this to the heart. Let's put it like this, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would wait until you're ready. I wouldn't rush you, I wouldn't even think of you different. I would keep it pushing, doing my norm until that time comes. I'm done with this topic though and lol at you agreeing with anything Insane say about me. A guy with obvious anger issues.

What do you mean me agreeing with him.

He said why do you bother. And I said I don't know why. Never stated whether I agreed with him. You should know me well enough to know what I think.

Anyways I know you and Quan probably have work. I know you can't be on all the time. Like I have said genuine reasons I am 100% fine. If for a month you just can't do it just say so. But don't spin me a yarn of I need to gather scans every time. Just say you can't do it.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What do you mean me agreeing with him.

He said why do you bother. And I said I don't know why. Never stated whether I agreed with him. You should know me well enough to know what I think.

Anyways I know you and Quan probably have work. I know you can't be on all the time. Like I have said genuine reasons I am 100% fine. If for a month you just can't do it just say so. But don't spin me a yarn of I need to gather scans every time. Just say you can't do it.

i told you I couldn't do it. I'm done with this because it's off topic.

Originally posted by carver9
i told you I couldn't do it. I'm done with this because it's off topic.

Fair enough, anyways I have PM'd you.

With regards to the battle.

A couple of the team members are redundant unless used for a specific purpose. Perhaps replace a couple characters then it could be a cool match up.

Ignoring some out of character, forum tactics, I'd say their biggest shot are the telepaths. Xavier failed alone obviously, but he's got three others with him here. With the rest of the team fighting Hulk physically, he might have a problem. I'm not saying they can do it, but it's worth considering. They'd probably be ****ed up afterwards though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ignoring some out of character, forum tactics, I'd say their biggest shot are the telepaths. Xavier failed alone obviously, but he's got three others with him here. With the rest of the team fighting Hulk physically, he might have a problem. I'm not saying they can do it, but it's worth considering. They'd probably be ****ed up afterwards though.

I agree with your point here. Do you think Bishop is a good person to stick in the team? I mean compared to others he is a bit lackluster.

I mean if you utilised him for his ability then potentially he could be used to great effect.

*Sees thread title*

*Sees Carver9 post*

*Leaves*

Hahaha!

Originally posted by Insane Titan


Keep schooling carver

😉

WBH stomps the hell out of that team and its not even close....

I thought that this was about WB Hulk? If he was able to deny the telepath tactic when he was far less pissed about his situation, I really doubt that he'd have trouble denying this avenue of attack coming in with far greater rage over it. It would probably be like talking to a brick wall. This team can't get the job done.

How does Hulk stop X-Man? Nobody has said anything about him? He's the big factor, IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
How does Hulk stop X-Man? Nobody has said anything about him? He's the big factor, IMO.

By punching anything within 10,000 miles as hard as he can. Besides, Juggernaut at his best should be the last guy on his team standing.

Originally posted by Naija boy
WBH stomps the hell out of that team and its not even close....

CABLE.

There is no stomp.

Originally posted by Naija boy
WBH stomps the hell out of that team and its not even close....

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
CABLE.

There is no stomp.

Cable cant put Hulk down and would get annihilated from even a missed attack.
It is an absolute stomp.

Originally posted by Stoic
By punching anything within 10,000 miles as hard as he can. Besides, Juggernaut at his best should be the last guy on his team standing.

X-Man turns intangible, so that won't work.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
CABLE.

There is no stomp.

Cable would be up against a far greater threat than the far weaker Hulk that he faced before. He's done for with PIS automatically turned off.

Originally posted by Golgo13
X-Man turns intangible, so that won't work.

He had better remain that way for the entire time. He better also be able to tell what's going to happen in the future, not to mention that the Hulk can, and has hit intangible beings in the past.

He would. Then the TP's shut Hulk down. Easy peasy.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He would. Then the TP's shut Hulk down. Easy peasy.

Not going to happen. Because of this below.

Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that this was about WB Hulk? If he was able to deny the telepath tactic when he was far less pissed about his situation, I really doubt that he'd have trouble denying this avenue of attack coming in with far greater rage over it. It would probably be like talking to a brick wall. This team can't get the job done.

It will. There are 3 world class TP's here. Easy.

Hulk has hit intangible beings

Originally posted by Golgo13
It will. There are 3 world class TP's here. Easy.

There is more evidence to suggest that it would not, than it acually being able to work on him. They would just suffer from the backlash of his rage, and filled with all of his emotions. This is what happened on panel. You are stating things that did not work. This team is several notches below him.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk has hit intangible beings

Nate floats in the sky, out of Hulk's reach and puts his ass to sleep. Easy peasy.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Nate floats in the sky, out of Hulk's reach and puts his ass to sleep. Easy peasy.

Why are you ignoring that TP would not work on him at this level? xavier, and Emma were unable to stop him, and Xavier has better TP feats than a normal Xman has. They lose, why troll?

Originally posted by Stoic
Why are you ignoring that TP would not work on him at this level? xavier, and Emma were unable to stop him, and Xavier has better TP feats than a normal Xman has. They lose, why troll?

It will. X-Man, Cable, Xavier, Jean will be enough. And adding Iceman and Mags seals the deal.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I agree with your point here. Do you think Bishop is a good person to stick in the team? I mean compared to others he is a bit lackluster.

I mean if you utilised him for his ability then potentially he could be used to great effect.
Bishop has a high feat here and there, but yeah, his only use would be stalling for the telepathic assault.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not going to happen. Because of this below.
That's not a certainty, since we don't know how much his TP defense increased by(if at all).

Again, I'm not even saying it'll work. I'm just offering about the only chance they have.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It will. X-Man, Cable, Xavier, Jean will be enough. And adding Iceman and Mags seals the deal.

Prove that it will work when this avenue of attack did not work before. They lack the physical attributes to win. WB Hulk or the Hulk in general becomes more resistant to most forms of attack as he ramps up in power. PIS is off by default. The only thing that the Hulk has to do is punch any object on the battle filed as hard as he can, and everyone but Cain turns to dust.

Originally posted by Stoic
Prove that it will work when this avenue of attack did not work before. They lack the physical attributes to win. WB Hulk or the Hulk in general becomes more resistant to most forms of attack as he ramps up in power. PIS is off by default. The only thing that the Hulk has to do is punch any object on the battle filed as hard as he can, and everyone but Cain turns to dust.

It shall. Hulk has never confronted this type of telepathic power.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It shall. Hulk has never confronted this type of telepathic power.

He was shown to deny Xavier, and Charles put a Phoenix host to sleep with a word. However Spider Woman was not put down due to her TP augmented defenses. You are hoping that it will work, while there is actual on panel proof that his rage denied this avenue of attack. WB Hulk was far more enraged than he was when he was at his WW Hulk levels. The reason behind him denying the TP assault was due to his rage. Like I said you're taking a shot in the dark at a target the size of a bean, while on panel he has denied this form of attack. Logic dictates that this will not work.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Bishop has a high feat here and there, but yeah, his only use would be stalling for the telepathic assault.

That's not a certainty, since we don't know how much his TP defense increased by(if at all).

Again, I'm not even saying it'll work. I'm just offering about the only chance they have.

They will not stop him with this form of attack. They may stall him for an instance if even that, and then he will go postal on them all as they suffer from the backlash. Based on on panel proof, Cain will be the last one standing, and he would just be a soccer ball being kicked from place to place by this version of the Hulk. I can't understand why it is so hard to realize that WB Hulk is above the level of this team, and they may as well be a bunch of low Meta humans being thrown at him. 90% of the team would be taken out within the first 5 seconds because PIS is off.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Cable cant put Hulk down and would get annihilated from even a missed attack.
It is an absolute stomp.

I said...

GOD CABLE!

That Bastard Dino dictator altered my post!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I said...

GOD CABLE!

That Bastard Dino dictator altered my post!

Cable wasn't a God, and his durability is not up to the task at hand. The Hulk in this case only has to punch one object with all of his might. The team would have to make this adjustment, and that adjustment, and it still wouldn't work out in the end. If this was HP DD instead of WB Hulk most people arguing against the Hulk would give HP DD the win without a 2nd thought. WB Hulk, and HP DD were basically near twins. WB Hulk just has better destructive feats.

God Cable destroys. No fair.

Originally posted by Golgo13
God Cable destroys. No fair.

Based on what? he has no feats to say that he is on this level, and he certainly has no feats to give him the title of God. It wouldn't take a Beyonder level character to defeat this team. So far all I've read for those against the Hulk winning are unsupported claims.

By warping his mind. Multiversal style.

prove it.

God Cable needs no proof. He is Hulk's God. He may be able to solo this.

So no proof then?

HA! Hulk has never bested this much TP's before. Unless you got proof. God Cable sweeps.

Originally posted by Golgo13
HA! Hulk has never bested this much TP's before. Unless you got proof. God Cable sweeps.

There is more proof that he will resist it than not. On a lower level of rage which is directly based on his strength, he was able to not only resist, but deny this form of attack. You have no proof, while i have on panel proof that he would get past a mind whammy. On the other hand, none of these guys are going to resist the amount of explosive damage that he can put out by not even hitting them directly. Cain is the last man standing based on his past durability feats, but he doesn't possess the power to do more than tickle the Hulk at this level. Your argument makes no sense to me, and is not supported by any on panel proof.

Sorry, I see no proof! X-Men in a landslide!

Baseless claims. Then again just keep trolling, because that's basically what you've been doing.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was shown to deny Xavier, and Charles put a Phoenix host to sleep with a word. However Spider Woman was not put down due to her TP augmented defenses.


They will not stop him with this form of attack. They may stall him for an instance if even that, and then he will go postal on them all as they suffer from the backlash.
Well, Xavier actually did get inside of Hulk's head. He just needed help controlling it, and he will have that here. I'm not sure why Spider Woman is relevant though.

We don't know that, since we have no clue how much better WBH's tp defense is. I mean, I agree he'll destroy if that doesn't work. There's nothing else worth discussing though, unless we allow forum avatar modes for certain people.

Also, I think you are getting trolled.

Originally posted by Stoic
Baseless claims. Then again just keep trolling, because that's basically what you've been doing.

Like your baseless claims? Ha! X-Men has this. Superior team work and powerful psi's. Easy/.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, Xavier actually did get inside of Hulk's head. He just needed help controlling it, and he will have that here. I'm not sure why Spider Woman is relevant though.

We don't know that, since we have no clue how much better WBH's tp defense is. I mean, I agree he'll destroy if that doesn't work. There's nothing else worth discussing though, unless we allow forum avatar modes for certain people.

Also, I think you are getting trolled.

EXACTLY! Xavier was being nice, too. Now, he has several powerful telepaths at his disposal. The magnitude of power here is insane. Hulk goes down.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, Xavier actually did get inside of Hulk's head. He just needed help controlling it, and he will have that here. I'm not sure why Spider Woman is relevant though.

We don't know that, since we have no clue how much better WBH's tp defense is. I mean, I agree he'll destroy if that doesn't work. There's nothing else worth discussing though, unless we allow forum avatar modes for certain people.

Also, I think you are getting trolled.


Finally someone that actually has something to say that actually happened in a comic. The problem here is that even with the added help, the Hulk would be at a far higher level of rage in this instance, and it was rage that allowed him to deny Xavier, and Emma from stopping him. his rage is a direct statement of his strength, and when he was at his WB Hulk levels, he was several orders of magnitude more powerful than he was when Xavier, and Emma attempted their TP assault. There is more evidence to suggest that he would push them out of his mind, and that they would suffer a backlash, than them actually being successful at taking him down. This is something that i shouldn't even have to explain.

Originally posted by Stoic
Finally someone that actually has something to say that actually happened in a comic. The problem here is that even with the added help, the Hulk would be at a far higher level of rage in this instance, and it was rage that allowed him to deny Xavier, and Emma from stopping him. his rage is a direct statement of his strength, and when he was at his WB Hulk levels, he was several orders of magnitude more powerful than he was when Xavier, and Emma attempted their TP assault. There is more evidence to suggest that he would push them out of his mind, and that they would suffer a backlash, than them actually being successful at taking him down. This is something that i shouldn't even have to explain.

Those are the only TP's? This line up is stacked with a lot more.

Originally posted by Stoic
Cable wasn't a God, and his durability is not up to the task at hand. The Hulk in this case only has to punch one object with all of his might. The team would have to make this adjustment, and that adjustment, and it still wouldn't work out in the end. If this was HP DD instead of WB Hulk most people arguing against the Hulk would give HP DD the win without a 2nd thought. WB Hulk, and HP DD were basically near twins. WB Hulk just has better destructive feats.

Where would you rank God Cable?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Those are the only TP's? This line up is stacked with a lot more.

There is still no proof that it would work. They would have to be able to wrestle him down from what has made him this angry in the first place. Xavier, and Emma were unable to do so. There is no proof that this avenue of attack will work. You should move onto something that you can prove, or should we get a Mod ruling on this? Say what you will, but there is more proof that he would not be taken out by TP than the possibility of them actually succeeding, and then there is the fact that he can hit anything on the battlefield to end this before it ever begins as well.

This circular BS going on is just a waste of time. So Mod ruling on this?

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Sentry wanting to be put out? The opposite happened. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. Also, Hulk allowed Sentry to hit him in the beginning as well.

Sentry told Hulk more then once that he wasn't able to stop himself.

And thanked him just before he collapsed.

Originally posted by Stoic
There is still no proof that it would work. They would have to be able to wrestle him down from what has made him this angry in the first place. Xavier, and Emma were unable to do so. There is no proof that this avenue of attack will work. You should move onto something that you can prove, or should we get a Mod ruling on this? Say what you will, but there is more proof that he would not be taken out by TP than the possibility of them actually succeeding, and then there is the fact that he can hit anything on the battlefield to end this before it ever begins as well.

This circular BS going on is just a waste of time. So Mod ruling on this?

Nice try! But it isn't just the TP's at work here. It's a lot more.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Where would you rank God Cable?

Herald level projection, Meta level durability, mid-high Meta level strength.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Nice try! But it isn't just the TP's at work here. It's a lot more.

Like what else? I also said that you should move to something that may work. TP has a low % of working here, as proven on panel.

Originally posted by Stoic
Like what else? I also said that you should move to something that may work. TP has a low % of working here, as proven on panel.

I doubt Hulk can take these 4-5 high TP's, unless he's done so before? Magneto and Iceman is a deadly duo.

Originally posted by Stoic
Herald level projection, Meta level durability, mid-high Meta level strength.

I find this assesment of God Cable to be low.

Based on the destructive yield that the Hulk at this level could put out by indirectly hitting an object, and affecting a large area, 95% of this team does not have the durability to survive WB Hulk punching the ground with all of his might.

God Cable = Dead
Apocalypse = Dead
Regular Nate Grey = Dead
Juggernaut = Hurled away
Magneto = Dead
Jean Grey = Dead
Charles Xavier = Dead
Iceman = Dispersed
Wolverine (Just to be there) = Dead
Bishop = Dead

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I find this assesment of God Cable to be low.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I find this assesment of God Cable to be low.

Prove that he was on Thanos' level. There is more to a character than projection. What about durability, and actual strength. Show me something to prove that Cable has ever been able to survive the amount of power that WB Hulk can put out.

Originally posted by Stoic
Finally someone that actually has something to say that actually happened in a comic. The problem here is that even with the added help, the Hulk would be at a far higher level of rage in this instance, and it was rage that allowed him to deny Xavier, and Emma from stopping him. his rage is a direct statement of his strength, and when he was at his WB Hulk levels, he was several orders of magnitude more powerful than he was when Xavier, and Emma attempted their TP assault. There is more evidence to suggest that he would push them out of his mind, and that they would suffer a backlash, than them actually being successful at taking him down. This is something that i shouldn't even have to explain.
Cool. I just wanted the possibility acknowledged. I don't see it as a surefire thing either.

I would like to add, Emma and Xavier didn't attack together. Her later statement was ambiguous, but she probably tried on her own during the fight.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Cool. I just wanted the possibility acknowledged. I don't see it as a surefire thing either.

I would like to add, Emma and Xavier didn't attack together. Her later statement was ambiguous, but she probably tried on her own during the fight.

Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame. What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.

He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.

The Hulk would punch the ground (BOOM), and say bye m9therph@3kers.

Language, Stoic, language. The combo of Xavier, Cable, and X-Man takes Hulk to the ****in grave!

Originally posted by Stoic
Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame. What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.

He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.

Couldn't Charles just negate brain functions instead of trying to control him. Seems like a better tactic

Being inside Hulk's head is painful...especially a Hulk of this caliber.

Originally posted by carver9
Being inside Hulk's head is painful...especially a Hulk of this caliber.

God Cable will be instrumental in granting Banner peace!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Couldn't Charles just negate brain functions instead of trying to control him. Seems like a better tactic

That's pretty much what he did try, but he was unable to get around the anguish, and rage that the Hulk was going through. Being a TP also makes them all sensitive to this type of stimuli. On the physical front they don't have the juice to affect him. Only Cain has the durability feats to survive the first few seconds as I mentioned before. With PIS turned off by default, he only has to punch the ground, and BOOM it's over for anyone unable to tank a planetary explosion. I would have included Magneto into the couple of people that may survive, but he does not possess any precognitive powers to enable him to put up a barrier in time. Even if he did, we are talking about forces above planetary strength.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
God Cable will be instrumental in granting Banner peace!

Show me one instance, or tell me one instance of him being at this level. The battle begins... Does the Hulk stand there like a pin cushion, or is he also allowed to go on the offensive?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Couldn't Charles just negate brain functions instead of trying to control him. Seems like a better tactic
Possibly.
Originally posted by Stoic
That's pretty much what he did try,
No he didn't.
Originally posted by Stoic
Emma and Charles were in it together within the same time frame.

What you seem to suggest is some sort of Psionic gestalt that would occur between 4 TP's that have never worked together in order to pull something like a Uni mind assault on the Hulk. This is something that would also take precious time that they would not have (PIS is off here). The Hulk on the other hand only needs to punch the ground with all of his might, and we saw the effects that have happened when he did something similar to this. Only Cain has the durability to survive this, based on his monstrous durability. the rest of these fleshy characters would be destroyed by forces that exceed several nukes going off at once. Again PIS is off, and they don't have the luxury of pulling a DBZ spirit bomb technique, while the Hulk stands there waiting for them to launch their best attack.

He's simply above them in areas that actually count, and that he can use to end this faster than it begins.
She was diamond form, so she couldn't have. He withdrew from the fight after that.

I thought we were on the same page earlier, which is I was dropping it, then you added this stuff. Some of them have worked together before, but they wouldn't need to merge minds regardless. The four of them blasting him at the same time is totally fine. Also, Hulk isn't a speedster. This is no PIS, so the telepaths will probably get the first attack off.

I mean, if you don't think it will work, I'm fine with that. But some of those last things you said aren't true. Unless I just really misunderstood you.

Originally posted by carver9
Being inside Hulk's head is painful...especially a Hulk of this caliber.

Cannon?

If so, scans?

Xavier would put him to sleep, or he could kill him.

He wasn't trying to do him any harm in WWH, and Xavier received a buff post-Messiah Complex which we saw during AvX.

Originally posted by Stoic
Herald level projection, Meta level durability, mid-high Meta level strength. Lolwut

Does meta level durability and strength include surviving an assault from the Silver Surfer and breaking his board?

Originally posted by StyleTime
Possibly.

No he didn't.

She was diamond form, so she couldn't have. He withdrew from the fight after that.

I thought we were on the same page earlier, which is I was dropping it, then you added this stuff. Some of them have worked together before, but they wouldn't need to merge minds regardless. The four of them blasting him at the same time is totally fine. Also, Hulk isn't a speedster. This is no PIS, so the telepaths will probably get the first attack off.

I mean, if you don't think it will work, I'm fine with that. But some of those last things you said aren't true. Unless I just really misunderstood you.

You're correct about Emma. Just checked it out. And yes he did attempt to control the hulk, he as i stated simply ran into a wall of anguish, and rage. Don't clip off the entire statement and use what you deem to be my statement, because this twists things into lies. Again I said that he ran into a wall of anguish, and rage, this stopped him from doing anything other than being pushed out of his head, and they all suffered from the backlash of the attempt. I just checked that out as well. You are correct with Emma though.

So while they coordinate to launch a mental barrage, the Hulk can slam the ground. There is a certainty that if he hits the ground with all of his might, that this team is done for. It is uncertain that a TP assault would work. Claiming this ignores the fact that he was able to deny this avenue of attack when Xavier attempted it. In all fairness both possibilities must be taken into account. People stating that Xavier, and the other 3 TP's will be successful aren't sure at all. I am 100% certain, that none of them can survive an indirect hit capable of destroying more than planetary plus level explosions. All except for Cain that is.

This is why my stance is so strong on him winning, because what you are suggesting is an unknown, while what I am suggesting is a certainty. Let me break it down once more.

They are all transported to the battlefield suspended in time, but knowing who the opponent is. The battle begins the Hulk only has to punch the ground, and he does possess super speed above any of the others on the field.

Who among this group can run as fast as the Hulk? This is a direct testament to show that he is far faster than they are. Raw speed goes to the Hulk.

Originally posted by Existere
Lolwut

Does meta level durability and strength include surviving an assault from the Silver Surfer and breaking his board?

Rate him. This isn't the Merged hulk that is in this thread, or some Herald level character. This is something that has to b taken into consideration.

The excuses that are being made here to downplay Hulk is laughable at best.

Originally posted by Stoic
And yes he did attempt to control the hulk, he as i stated simply ran into a wall of anguish, and rage. Don't clip off the entire statement and use what you deem to be my statement, because this twists things into lies. Again I said that he ran into a wall of anguish, and rage, this stopped him from doing anything other than being pushed out of his head, and they all suffered from the backlash of the attempt. I just checked that out as well. You are correct with Emma though.
You said he "pretty much did try" to do what Sin said. If that's not what you meant, I apologize.
Originally posted by Stoic
Who among this group can run as fast as the Hulk? This is a direct testament to show that he is far faster than they are. Raw speed goes to the Hulk.
I'm meant they'd think faster, not move faster. Physically though, Wolverine has some dumb speed feats. 131 It won't matter here, but just throwing that out there.
Originally posted by Stoic
In all fairness both possibilities must be taken into account.
Bro, that is what I've been saying this whole time. Like I mentioned before, I just wanted the possibility acknowledged.
Originally posted by carver9
The excuses that are being made here to downplay Hulk is laughable at best.
Not my fault Xavier could punch Hulk's lights out dude.

I still believe shutting off functions like sight, hearing, movement of limbs etc is a viable tactic. Xavier won't even need to control him and fight that mind battle. Just shut off a neural impulse and call it a day