Originally posted by leonidas
scans to support that 616 is special? i think you know those ones as well as i do....
True, but my contradictory reply was referring to single individuals, not 616's space-time itself.
616 characters are the templates for alternates, there's no doubt about that, but that's as far as their connection goes.
But yes, there are several supportive interpretations which suggest destroying the 616 reality = all realities die.
Yet, I must submit, there are also several supportive interpretations which suggest 616 is as expendable as any other reality.
That's writer dependent from my experience.
Originally posted by leonidas
you also know there is nothing in the story that specifically says that killing 616 reed kills the others, but that's what it seems is happening imo. perhaps it had to do with the way things were merging, i don't know. and of course, maybe you're right and it was just some display of a cool power. regardless, i didn't find the display terribly impressive given he is a multiversal entity.
Imo, the latter, ... although you know I always respect your point of view.
Originally posted by leonidas
so, basically there are some bios (one also explicitly states abraxas is galactus level....) some decent off panel stuff, and his odd killing of the reeds. that isn't really very much at all to draw inferences regarding his power. we don't even know abraxas physically did ANYTHING to the watcher. i could show a bio that suggests it was simply the blurring of the universes that drove uatu briefly crazy. that would make the watcher nothing more than a casualty of the cascade that was taking place, and not a victim of abraxas's 'personal power' at all. and given that we never saw exactly what happened, neither explanation is better than the other. the cascade effect seems more plausible to me given his displayed powers. then he could have simply taken the emblem after uatu was blinded. you say supposition/speculation. and so it is (with some bio support). but no more than speculating that off panel uatu was blasted by some power from across the multiverse.....
I've never seen a "bio" that equates Galactus with Abraxas. In fact, the bios state Abraxas is the anti-thesis of Eternity.
As far as Uatu is concerned, it's true,
Abraxas' bio attributes his "comatose" result to the merging of realities, but the memory loss isn't mentioned.
On the other hand, Uatu's bio confirms that Abraxas himself attacked Uatu:
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I suppose that's a toss up concerning "bios."
But on panel good friend, Abraxas had half of Uatu's emblem before he entered 616, so he had to have taken it from afar.
... no different than incinerating Surfer "by some power from across the multiverse."
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Abraxas was literally controlling everything there from UniverseS away.
From the speed and trajectory of the Galactus head:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/10565973_A2.jpg
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To the creature army that attacked the heroes,
to the microbiotic particles that made up the mist and goo which incinerated Surfer,
to Uatu getting mind wiped, and half his emblem taken.
to the Alternate Universes merging:
http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10566026_A3.jpg
http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/10566027_A4.jpg
The "sentient" storm, is where the creature army and microbiotic particles emerged from.
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Heck, concerning the microbiotic particles,
Abraxas' power being willed at specific targets across UniverseS is further proven here:
Reed handles the microbiotic particles and they don't hurt him at all:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/10566070_A5.jpg
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But the microbiotic particles (a fraction of Abraxas' power) are consciously being controlled by Abraxas:
After going for Uatu's comatose body, Abraxas specifically attacks Surfer (via the mist/particles) and incinerates him.
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/10566101_A6.jpg
Originally posted by leonidas
that said, clearly he's a cosmic being and clearly he is powerful. but i've still seen nothing to suggest that he has universe destroying power on his own. all he ever did was sort of walk around and universes collapsed/merged around him. there is no reason at all to suggest he could do that with his personal power. seems much easier to believe it was his function. i can also show a bio that says he is the 'embodiment of destruction', so it seems to fit what he was doing. in a neutral place, i don't see him being much above galactus, or franklin for that matter, and the ease with which galactus dismissed him and took the nullifier from him would suggest the same.
I disagree. It's his function to destroy realities, therefore it is his power.
What yur saying is akin to: Eternity doesn't/can't control "time" cause it's his function.
The only thing Galactus did was summon the UN from Abraxas' hands.
Unlike Galactus himself who got dropped to his knees by some alternate Nova right after:
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/22603242_G.jpg
It's beautiful ... ol' big G summons the UN from Abraxas' hands,
then Nova rips through G's head and the UN is no longer in the hand of mr ... "you are nothing" ...
... hilarious isn't it? Actually, that's just comic's pis plot for ya to end a story..
Originally posted by leonidas
i suspect we won't see eye-to-eye on this and that's fine. we've not seen the same things in the past, and i'm sure our views will conflict at times in the future. imo he has nowhere near enough feats to adequately gauge the extent of his personal power, nor would i place him on the level of some of the uber cosmic entities we've seen before and since. a universal power, with the ability to affect alternate universes is what i'd label him were i forced to do so.
Fair enuff, we all have that right.
Although I do disagree.
Imo, from the story I read: Abraxas > All Eternity/Infinity.
In fact, had it not been for the UN, Abraxas becomes 'God' of "all that is, was, or ever will be" ...
Well, ... 'God' of an aftermath of destruction/nothingness.
... That comparison has zero relevance here good friend.
