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The New Law of the Marvel Omniverse vs the Old Law. Fight takes place in the superflow.

They already killed the Living Failbunal. Logos wins.

Assuming you mean the non-Adam LT, one who's place in the multiverse is established - Logos doesn't have the feats yet to contend.

Are there scans of this new god?

Originally posted by rotiart
Are there scans of this new god?
Originally posted by Galan007
Scot probably posted these already, but The Ultimates introduced yet another new abstract("The Never Queen"... And 'normal' Galactus appears to be back:
https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564451_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-002.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564454_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-003.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564455_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-004.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564456_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-005.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564458_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-018.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564462_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-019.jpg https://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/33564467_Ultimates_2_2016-_004-020.jpg

*And it looks like the last Celestial(OAA), might be the proverbial dues ex that stops Logos.
That's Order/Chaos after they killed the Living Failbunal and merged with Inbetweener.

It is my belief that Logos has essentially usurped the position that LT once held -- ie. the top dog in the cosmological hierarchy. Heck, it even has a look similar to that of LT, what with the multiple faces and whatnot... The difference is that Logos likely isn't as acclimated to the position as LT was(I'm talking about LT when he was 'established/solidified', mind you.)

For that reason, I would be inclined to put pre-SW LT and Adam Warbunal above Logos as of now. Current LT is obviously far inferior, as he was killed by O&C individually.

The Never Queen.

Is that the same entity we saw in Silver Surfers run?

I didn't realize it at first, but yeah, she first appeared in Surfer's 2014 series, and has popped-up in a few issues since:
https://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/33585249_Silver_Surfer_2014-_002-004.jpg https://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/33585250_Silver_Surfer_2014-_002-008.jpg https://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/33585251_Silver_Surfer_2014-_002-009.jpg https://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/33585252_Silver_Surfer_2014-_002-013.jpg https://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/33585253_Silver_Surfer_2014-_002-014.jpg

Logos BEATS The Original Living Tribunal.


MR MASTER DO NOT CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY!!!!

I think so too, tbh.

Whereas in the original cosmic hierarchy, there were other cosmic beings checking and balancing the multiverse alongside the Living Tribunal, Logos is the only cosmic authority, (besides Eternity, who's chained) in the multiverse.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Logos BEATS The Original Living Tribunal.


MR MASTER DO NOT CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY!!!!
Man, Marvel's cosmic hierarchy is a joke now. I'll never sh|t talk DC's cosmic hierarchy again.

Originally posted by zopzop
Man, Marvel's cosmic hierarchy is a joke now. I'll never sh|t talk DC's cosmic hierarchy again.

When you don't have a cosmic hierarchy then no way to mess it up

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/selectall/2017/02/09/09-roll-safe.w710.h473.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
That's Order/Chaos after they killed the Living Failbunal and merged with Inbetweener.

Yeah the Inbetweener was the glue that brought them both together to form Logos. Order and Chaos destroyed the LT using a sneak attack though, so we can't really tell if that would have happened if the LT was ready for the assault. In my opinion I highly doubt that Order or Chaos would have been able to pull that off, because of what was seen way back when Adam Warlock had the Infinity Gauntlet. At that time LT seemed to be on a far higher playing field than they were, and I doubt that even Logos would have made a difference. Once again, we have writers ignoring continuity.

You should probably have read the issue before posting that.

The reason Chaos and Order were able to kill the LT is because the cosmic hierarchy in this new Omniverse hasn't been set up yet, and as a result the LT didn't have any power/authority over the other cosmic beings such as Chaos and Order.

I thought LT was weakened when they killed him? Wasn't this even said on panel?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You should probably have read the issue before posting that.

The reason Chaos and Order were able to kill the LT is because the cosmic hierarchy in this new Omniverse hasn't been set up yet, and as a result the LT didn't have any power/authority over the other cosmic beings such as Chaos and Order.

You should have asked if I read it before posting. I did, and that was the opinion that I had after reading it.

If he had no authority over things, why then did Order and Chaos go to him to decide what part Galactus should play in all of creation pertaining to 616? I've been keeping up with the Ultimates.

Originally posted by Stoic
You should have asked if I read it before posting. I did, and that was the opinion that I had after reading it.

If he had no authority over things, why then did Order and Chaos go to him to decide what part Galactus should play in all of creation pertaining to 616? I've been keeping up with the Ultimates.

Chaos and Order didn't know that LT no longer had authority until he told them, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
I thought LT was weakened when they killed him? Wasn't this even said on panel?

LT had no power/authority over them, yes.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You should probably have read the issue before posting that.

The reason Chaos and Order were able to kill the LT is because the cosmic hierarchy in this new Omniverse hasn't been set up yet, and as a result the LT didn't have any power/authority over the other cosmic beings such as Chaos and Order. The Never Queen(who is Eternity's lover and counterpoint) appears to supersede the power/authority of Logos as well.

How so?

Being the existance of possibility

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
How so?
Don't know that "supercede" is the right word given what I've seen so far, but the Queen saved The One Above All (Celestial) from death by Logos seemingly without its knowledge.

Fair enough, but like you said, supersede is a strong word in this situation.

Imo, it really does seem to be a fitting word based on what we've seen of her thus far. Never Queen embodies possibility on a fundamental level. ALL possibilities. And some of those possibilities evidently DO supersede Logos... Which means NQ herself would supersede him by proxy.

As NQ herself said: "You should beware, cold one... When you dismiss what might be... What might be can hurt you."

*She said this as she saved/held the Celestial/OAA. Clearly her statement indicates/foretells that OAA will play a significant role in Logos' inevitable defeat -- but Logos is simply too blinded by his newfound 'supremacy' to comprehend this.

But by that logic, she's greater than everything.

Greater than IG Adam when he was bitchslapping abstracts, because there was a possibility that that power would be taken from him (it did). Likewise greater than the old LT, greater than the Beyonders, greater than any threat that's capable of being beaten in one way or another.

In theory that's what she is, but I'm not ready to ascribe such power over saving OAA

Originally posted by zopzop
Man, Marvel's cosmic hierarchy is a joke now. I'll never sh|t talk DC's cosmic hierarchy again.

lol amen.

Originally posted by Cogito
But by that logic, she's greater than everything.

Greater than IG Adam when he was bitchslapping abstracts, because there was a possibility that that power would be taken from him (it did). Likewise greater than the old LT, greater than the Beyonders, greater than any threat that's capable of being beaten in one way or another.

In theory that's what she is, but I'm not ready to ascribe such power over saving OAA

Originally posted by Cogito
But by that logic, she's greater than everything.

Greater than IG Adam when he was bitchslapping abstracts, because there was a possibility that that power would be taken from him (it did). Likewise greater than the old LT, greater than the Beyonders, greater than any threat that's capable of being beaten in one way or another.

In theory that's what she is, but I'm not ready to ascribe such power over saving OAA Even with the limited information we have at this time, I think it is quite obvious that OAA was saved for exactly one reason: to create a possibility that WILL help bring about Logos' defeat. The foreshadowing couldn't have been clearer, imo.

And just so we're clear: this certainly does not mean that NQ's personal/direct power is superior to the likes of Logos -- she can't just waltz up and kill him with a blast or w/e. It just means that the concept she embodies is superior to him(along with most others, for that matter)... Which I don't have a problem with at all. By its very nature, the concept of 'possibility' should be one of the most resilient concepts in existence.

I'll give you that the abstract representation is on paper hella impressive. NQ is actually sort of similar it seems to the Basanos (in terms of "possibility manipulation", but she lacks impressive feats.

She'll need to do a lot more of that possibility manipulation to convince me she belongs.

Heh, the Basanos are exactly what I likened her to as well.


Anywho, the problem is that Logos doesn't seem to have the knowledge/awareness to match his power, thus fails to comprehend the potential threat Never Queen(or rather, the concept she embodies) poses to him... Hell, maybe Logos is just too damned arrogant to acknowledge the fact that even HE still falls under the metaphorical umbrella of 'possibility'. Either way, that is his weakness, imo: the belief that he is the unrivaled/undisputed God within the cosmological hierarchy. Despite this touted supremacy, however, we know that Logos obviously isn't going to be around indefinitely -- even at this juncture it seems clear that one of NQ's possibilities will ultimately be his undoing *enter OAA*.

I have no doubt that NQ was introduced as a 'Chekhov's Gun' of sorts. The "everything lives" theme is particularly strong with her... Heck, she may even be the very source of that ideology. mmm

Old LT wins.