Superman vs Sentry

Horrificus

Bah!!
Superman himself is just a "reality manipulator" who doesnt know that he is. The 2 differences between the two, are-

1. Superman's psyche is not composed of diseased, twisted mental-infection, such as Sentry's.
2. The solid mind and soul of Superman has always remained steady and focused in the direction of being a "hero". It allows him to usually keep things "stable", with very little deviation or hesitance.

Those two details, in conjunction with his subconscious reality-altering abilities, will prove to b impossible for the Sentry to overcome.

Even the Plutonian, while dark and temporarily lost, still had a handle on reality and, although his role changed from light to dark, he never appeared "broken", in the way that Sentry is.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can't say I agree with that, but okay.

Why not ?

Sentry didn't have schizophrenic, agoraphobic or generalised anxiety disorder crisis all the time.

And since the Death Seed event he said that he was cured of his agoraphobia in the Sun (and probably of his GAD too) and that the Void left him (meaning that he isn't schizo anymore).

He doesn't have his old personas anymore but the one of the Horseman of Death.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Bah!!
Superman himself is just a "reality manipulator" who doesnt know that he is. The 2 differences between the two, are-

1. Superman's psyche is not composed of diseased, twisted mental-infection, such as Sentry's.
2. The solid mind and soul of Superman has always remained steady and focused in the direction of being a "hero". It allows him to usually keep things "stable", with very little deviation or hesitance.

Those two details, in conjunction with his subconscious reality-altering abilities, will prove to b impossible for the Sentry to overcome.

Even the Plutonian, while dark and temporarily lost, still had a handle on reality and, although his role changed from light to dark, he never appeared "broken", in the way that Sentry is.

Superman doesn't manipulate the reality, Superman manipulates the Electromagnetic Energy that he stored from the Stars for a variety of effects. This has been established again in the New 52 when H'el was under a scientific observation.

Your theory is fun but Superman faced reality manipulators many times like the 5D imps and:

1) He was still manipulated, proving that he has no means to counter reality manipulation.

2) He never showed reality manipulation powers himself.

Sentry would stomp him with a thought.

Insane Titan

Superman wins.

-Pr-

Josh_Alexander

Sentry takes this one!

tkitna

Originally posted by abhilegend
That bold, huh? Care to show us the feats for that?

If anything Superman is going to rip Sentry in half. Like the cheap clone he is.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5470/9673171039_06905f3fac.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/9673171405_e567db2db7.jpg

tkitna

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Horseman of Death Sentry

Oh, if this is Dsentry, its spite against Clark.

Josh_Alexander

Sentry stumps this one.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by -Pr-
That every other version would beat Superman, was what I disagreed with.

I understand your point.

It only depends if Sentry is weakened or not imo.

Originally posted by tkitna
Oh, if this is Dsentry, its spite against Clark.

Yes

I would like to see him back

Horrificus

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Why not ?

Sentry didn't have schizophrenic, agoraphobic or generalised anxiety disorder crisis all the time.

And since the Death Seed event he said that he was cured of his agoraphobia in the Sun (and probably of his GAD too) and that the Void left him (meaning that he isn't schizo anymore).

He doesn't have his old personas anymore but the one of the Horseman of Death.

Superman doesn't manipulate the reality, Superman manipulates the Electromagnetic Energy that he stored from the Stars for a variety of effects. This has been established again in the New 52 when H'el was under a scientific observation.

Your theory is fun but Superman faced reality manipulators many times like the 5D imps and:

1) He was still manipulated, proving that he has no means to counter reality manipulation.

2) He never showed reality manipulation powers himself.

Sentry would stomp him with a thought. completely commonplace for troubled individuals to "self diagnose" and denial is a key-player in mental disorders.

Oh, I saw WHAT he was when he announced his "mental health" is now cured and whole. Very reassuring! Let's just say it... he looks great!

He has those mental disorders at all times. He simply may not b having episodes or acting-out at all times.

As far as my comment on Superman's subconscious reality manipulation goes, i just always thought it answered a lot of questions involving the fact that usually, Superman overcomes threats that should b too great for him, yet he always overcomes them. Stepping OUTSIDE of reality, to accomplish things that he should not b able to accomplish.

Just a theory.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Horrificus
completely commonplace for troubled individuals to "self diagnose" and denial is a key-player in mental disorders.

Oh, I saw WHAT he was when he announced his "mental health" is now cured and whole. Very reassuring! Let's just say it... he looks great!

He has those mental disorders at all times. He simply may not b having episodes or acting-out at all times.

I can agree on some things but knowing when you are anxious or not doesn't require a Phd in psychoanalysis.

His personality has been replaced by the one of the Horseman of Death so he definitely has benefits on this on his mental recovery.

He doesn't.

He overcome threats by punching harder or calling for help.

abhilegend

Originally posted by tkitna
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5470/9673171039_06905f3fac.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7424/9673171405_e567db2db7.jpg
Carnage and Ares?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3819981-8637675684-13997.jpg

That's how you rip someone apart.

One_Angry_Scot

Originally posted by abhilegend
Carnage and Ares?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3819981-8637675684-13997.jpg

That's how you rip someone apart.

Always loved the art in that comic, depicts it perfectly.

Prof. T.C McAbe

Superman punches him out, like Blue Marvel did, like Thor did, like Hulk did. By on panel feats Superman is far far Stronger, far far faster and far more durable.
If this is Death Seed Sentry however it will be more interesting because Superman has to burn him with his HV (which is far hotter than our Sun) to an atomic level. Sure Sentry will regenerate over and over again from the atom, but this will take time and counts as a forum win.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman punches him out, like Blue Marvel did, like Thor did, like Hulk did.

Wrong.

Sentry is totally unaffected by physical damages.

Smashing Sentry's brain did nothing at all.

Sentry stopped the mighty Exitar himself stronger than the 4th host and Arishem from the 4th host threat 3 skyfathers (including Zeus & Odin) like fodder...

The travel speed of both doesn't matter.

They are surely equals in term of combat speed AKA both are slow powerhouses.

Not even close.

Sentry is superior in magnitude to Molecule Man. That makes his durability on another realm if he wants to.

The only difference between DS and the others is the lack of mental weaknesses, the lack of morals and the obvious fact that he doesn't roleplay, he is a Horseman of Dearth.

Anyway Sentry = Void = DS Sentry in power, that's the same character with the same unlimited power-set and power-level.

Which will do absolutely nothing.

Sentry absorbed multiple planet-busting attacks against Photon and Superman's HV doesn't come close to that level of destructive capacity.

Sentry was able to counter Molecule Man's molecule manipulation which is on a magnitude that Superman can't even expect to come close.

It's not about "regenerating from an atom"... That was a figure of speech. Sentry has been completely disintegrated at a subatomic-level by Molecule Man and can instantly come back from that.

Anyway there is little hint that Superman can't even harm him at all... And even if he could physically damaging him is pointless.

Superman dying is clearly a forum win.

panthergod

Superman beat the crap out of Darkseid. Multiple times.

Sentry has nothing superior. Whatsoever.

h1a8

Is matter manipulation the same as reality warping?
Also Sentry only did that to MM as a counter to what MM was doing. He never used matter manipulation on any one else. It doesn't strike me that is something that he will do, otherwise he would have did it to the avengers.

Prof. T.C McAbe

Originally posted by h1a8
Is matter manipulation the same as reality warping?
Also Sentry only did that to MM as a counter to what MM was doing. He never used matter manipulation on any one else. It doesn't strike me that is something that he will do, otherwise he would have did it to the avengers.
And MM was weakened, his mental state was unstable, he was afraid, lonely, crazy and sad
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/YjznvT4Vt2C2aK4A3tqbgs3er7e2ByANPdvSAgj1872qQJh2-h5U4_iIuxPftEHusrnseNXZSPNE=s1600
It's even stated that he wants to be found, wants to fail, that's why he never killed the DA off:
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Avengers-2009/Issue-11?id=17521#25
All the time his personality was split, his emotions were divided, confused. He wanted to fail and he did. If this is not weakened, then nothing is.

Sentry wanted to die, voided out and Void took control to survive and was killed. There some people argue that Sentry was weakened and wanted to die, even though Sentry wasn't there but instead the Void.

When MM is unstable, wants to be found, wants to fail, he is suddenly at full power, even though he blatantly states "I control the very molecules of the world. Well, the ones around me." So he already tells us how big his control or power is right now, very limited and far from Universal or Multiversal.

Enzeru

I vote for Sentry.

http://img08.deviantart.net/2237/i/2017/208/b/8/superman_vs_sentry_by_isikol-dbhtv21.jpg

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Philosoph�a

Molecule Man explicitly states that he only controls the molecules around him. He is not the Universal, Solar System or even Earth-scale matter manipulator that we are used to.

How is this in contention?

Enzeru

You're making the mistake of confusing the "molecules around him" statement for the scale of the area he can affect. But that's not what's meant with the "molecules around me" talk.

This is what's actually meant:

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In one of the older comics the narration states, that the Molecule Man is one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
And in the following fight he goes up against Aron, the Rogue Watcher. Aron beats Molecule Man by encapsuling him in a bubble with no molecules. Because with no molecules around him there wasn't much Molecule Man was able to do at that point:

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RealityWarper

Originally posted by Enzeru
I vote for Sentry.

https://s2.postimg.org/xclfey1p5/Sentry_YESWECAN2.jpg

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Enzeru
You're making the mistake of confusing the "molecules around him" statement for the scale of the area he can affect. But that's not what's meant with the "molecules around me" talk.

This is what's actually meant:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2920731-ff372_15.jpg
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In one of the older comics the narration states, that the Molecule Man is one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
And in the following fight he goes up against Aron, the Rogue Watcher. Aron beats Molecule Man by encapsuling him in a bubble with no molecules. Because with no molecules around him there wasn't much Molecule Man was able to do at that point:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2920753-ff373_05.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2920755-ff373_06.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2920762-ff373_19.jpg
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Unless I've suddenly gone blind, those scans are not from the Avengers version of Molecule Man.

In this one, he was explicitly town-scale.

"I control the very molecules of the world...Well, the ones around me."

You're free to show me where he affects the Universe in that one.

Or the galaxy.

Or the solar system.

Hell, I'll settle for EARTH.

Go.

cdtm

Still on about Molecule Man?

If Sentry really had full MM power, the norns stones sure wouldn't have helped. He's never, ever shown that kind of power level, EXCEPT against MM, so I think it's safe to say we can file that under "one shot power" along with Superman's soul vision, or Thor's "hammer sense" spider-sense knockoff.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by cdtm
Still on about Molecule Man?

If Sentry really had full MM power, the norns stones sure wouldn't have helped. He's never, ever shown that kind of power level, EXCEPT against MM, so I think it's safe to say we can file that under "one shot power" along with Superman's soul vision.

It is safe to say that Sentry unleashed the true understanding of his powers.

Enzeru

That is not a fair request. It's also pretty much the same as if I asked you to show me scans of the Flash building 100.000 snowmen within 5 seconds. If you can't show the scans, then the Flash can't do it. But we both know, that he can do it. It's just that he was never in the situation where he had to build 100.000 snowmen within 5 seconds and even more importantly, he was never in the situation where he actually wanted to do it.

The same applies for the Molecule Man, who in Dark Avengers had a very specific goal: He wanted to live alone and in peace in his home town. He didn't want to affect the Earth or the universe for that matter. All he wanted was to be left alone in his home town. But for some reason people on this board all of a sudden started reducing his overall power level to that particular city and saying, that he couldn't have affected anything more, even if he wanted it. Which is simply not true.

Read the story and pay attention to the dialog. It's all there:

http://i.imgur.com/5TnC6qN.jpg

^ That scan alone says it all. The illusions Molecule Man had created tell him to take the world. He answers that he doesn't want the world. That he only wants the town he is in.

But as I said, this board for some reason turned that statement into that version of the Molecule Man being a town level molecule manipulator.

Consider this... That Molecule Man has ripped the Sentry apart on a physical and molecular level. The Sentry at his weakest is a low trans level character, if we go by him being at his weakest, when he fought World War Hulk.
A town level molecule manipulator isn't going to do any damage to someone like that.
Molecule Man was not at the height of his powers during his encounter with the Sentry, but the power level he had at that point would have been enough to do the same to Thor, Superman, Shazam, Hulk and any other hero. It's just that they wouldn't have come back from that onslaught and they sure as hell wouldn't have defeated him.

cdtm

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It is safe to say that Sentry unleashed the true understanding of his powers.

And then he got his head taken off by Cap. thumb up

DarkSaint85

Well, not quite.

We can believe the Flash request.....because he has done better or at least, equal feats.

Nor does he say things like 'I can run to any diner in the world......well, the ones around me'.

THAT'S the difference.

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Enzeru
That is not a fair request. It's also pretty much the same as if I asked you to show me scans of the Flash building 100.000 snowmen within 5 seconds. If you can't show the scans, then the Flash can't do it. But we both know, that he can do it. It's just that he was never in the situation where he had to build 100.000 snowmen within 5 seconds and even more importantly, he was never in the situation where he actually wanted to do it. That's an awful analogy.

Flash is faster than light. That's a fact. Whatever application of his powers we have within that speed/time frame, he can do it.

Molecule Man's power is vastly dependent on his mind. That's literally his entire history. Your analogy would work only if it was made clear that his scope - in the actual story line - is Universal, and then I'd ask you to show him warping Asia. Asia is within the scope of Universal, so of course he can.

What you don't have, is something that puts him at Universal - in fact, he is quite explicitly only able to warp the molecules around him, and the ONLY scope he has is town level. That's right there in the comic, where he puts a cap on his power.

The Universe is not molecules around him, unless you want to be really disingenuous. What his hallucinations tell him is not proof either - especially since they don't explicitly tell him take control of the molecules in the entire world. Given his power level , of course he can take over the world.

So we have:
- explicit limitations to only molecules around him
- only takes over a town
- a statement from his hallucinations that he should 'take over the world'

I can even give you that he can warp a planet, and it would still put him at Silver Surfer level.

Here's Earth compared to out Universe:

http://www.dingtwist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Earth-in-the-Universe.jpg

...and you want to sell him as Universal power?

Please.

WWH is not low trans. Sentry burning himself out and getting KO by Banner is actually quite clear proof that he is not at that level.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by cdtm
And then he got his head taken off by Cap. thumb up

With the Norn Stones, which was pretty ineffective at the end of the day.

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Insane Titan

Cap shield slices through him like a knife through hot butter, he even screamed in agony.

Rao Kal El

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And MM was weakened, his mental state was unstable, he was afraid, lonely, crazy and sad
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/YjznvT4Vt2C2aK4A3tqbgs3er7e2ByANPdvSAgj1872qQJh2-h5U4_iIuxPftEHusrnseNXZSPNE=s1600
It's even stated that he wants to be found, wants to fail, that's why he never killed the DA off:
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Avengers-2009/Issue-11?id=17521#25
All the time his personality was split, his emotions were divided, confused. He wanted to fail and he did. If this is not weakened, then nothing is.

Sentry wanted to die, voided out and Void took control to survive and was killed. There some people argue that Sentry was weakened and wanted to die, even though Sentry wasn't there but instead the Void.

When MM is unstable, wants to be found, wants to fail, he is suddenly at full power, even though he blatantly states "I control the very molecules of the world. Well, the ones around me." So he already tells us how big his control or power is right now, very limited and far from Universal or Multiversal.

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cdtm

Ok, so I looked at the op.

Why are we talking about Voidtry, when this is a Sentry fight?

Insane Titan

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
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RealityWarper

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
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The fact that he subconsciously states through the Beyonder construct that he wants to fail speaks volumes of his mental state and lack of confidence.

We have seen several times over his history that Owen with lack of confidence diminishes his powers a lot.

Mate, that's not his lack of confidence that weakens his powers.

That's only his beliefs in his powers

Rage.Of.Olympus

Sentry wins. Void = Sentry in power by definition.

Let's assume they're equal (Lol)? How is Superman suppose to compete with someone who has total molecular control and can regenerate instantly.

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
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The fact that he subconsciously states through the Beyonder construct that he wants to fail speaks volumes of his mental state and lack of confidence.

We have seen several times over his history that Owen with lack of confidence diminishes his powers a lot.

Molecule Man also explicitly says to Osborn:

"And you came into MY world. So I control the world around you".

If Molecule Man could control the entire Earth, then there would be nothing for Osborn to come into. And this is not even getting into the Universe, which is what's trying to be pushed here.

Enzeru

I know that. And that's also something I've been arguing for.

The last time we saw Molecule Man before he fought the Sentry, he was in the Raft. A prison for regular people. A bio had stated, that SHIELD managed to capture him, while he was in a weird mental state and his power level was manageable.

So a crazy mental state clearly makes Molecule Man weaker and in Dark Avengers he was talking to illusions. Molecule Man was clearly crazy and hence weaker, than we would expect him to be.

I've never ever argued, that it was the multiversal or hell even an universal version of the character.
What I've always argued for however, is that he was AT LEAST... AT THE VERY LEAST a mid to high trans level character. Anything below that isn't going to do to the Sentry what Molecule Man was able to do:

Ripping the Sentry apart on a physical and on a molecular level. It takes insane amounts of power to achieve that, since we're talking about a guy, who while depowered took attacks from World War Hulk. And asked for more. Sentry tanked Thors strongest attacks. Planet busting attacks from Genis-Vell. Sentry fought Void in 1v1s - the same creature, that broke all the bones in Hulks body without even trying.

You simply don't rip someone like that apart, if you're a town level molecule manipulator. You just don't.

What is World War Hulk in your opinion? Higher than a low trans character? Lower actually?

No matter how you look at it, I don't think it's crazy to say, that Hulk is a high herald in the strength and durability (healing factor) depoartment. He might be a mid herald due to his lack of versatility, but nothing lower. And in World War Hulk his strength and durability got amped so much further than ever before.
World War Hulk was at least a low trans character.

And then you had the Sentry punching it out with that guy. And I've went out of my way to explain that the Sentry we saw there was the weakest Sentry we had ever seen.
And that guy went toe on toe with the Hulk for multiple pages, until both burnt themselves out. That depowered Sentry made the Hulk use all of his energy to inflict damage on the Sentry, or healing factor to keep healing all the damage he was receiving... Whatever. Hulk and Sentry both used everything and reverted back.

And Sentry just went up from there power level wise.
I personally argue that Sentry is the most powerful trans level character in comics. Not on the level of Skyfathers like Odin, but high heralds like Thor aren't an issue for him. And with his X-factor of him being a wild card, I'm never surprised, when he comes up with even more ridiculous showings... like for example him defeating the Molecule Man. Or him supposedly fighting Galactus to a standstill. Or him outperforming the combined powers of over 100 heroes, that were amped with Hulks gamma radiation.

Marvel has called the Sentry the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe. So have a couple of Marvel characters. Why shouldn't I do the same ?_?

Rage.Of.Olympus

What do you define as around me? Did he mean the Solar System? How do you know he didn't mean the Universe when he said the molecules around me? Maybe he just meant the molecules in a 10 foot radius?

It's not something anyone can answer and focusing on one statement to ignore the clear purpose and implications of the comic: "That Reynolds is a mental patient with more power than God and no ability to control it." is some Carver level shit. Especially since we have a well established history for Owen Reece's incredible power.

I don't think Bendis intended him to be a Multiversal destroying entity but why does that matter? Bendis had very clear boundaries on the power of Cosmics but he still choose Owen Reece to demonstrate the scary boundaries of Sentry's power. Boundaries that are far more on the level of a cosmic being than Superman or any other herald level being.

You guys are smoking weed here if you don't think Sentry would have turned Superman into a tulip in that moment. Defining the boundaries of Molecule Man over a phrase is retarded. He has absolute molecular control of everything around him. Whether it's a Multiverse or the planet Earth, he's more or less God and he clearly saw Sentry as a peer.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Avengers-2009/Issue-13?id=17526

Sentry/Void are closer to God in that sense: The entire arc focused on Sentry's inability to die and having the power to do basically anything. A lot of cognitive dissonance going on here instead of just pointing out that Superman gets tentacle raped and moving on. I swear, you can make a Superman vs. Galactus thread and it would still reach ten pages with an asterisk on how possibly it can go the other way because Galactus might suck.

Rao Kal El

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Mate, that's not his lack of confidence that weakens his powers.

That's only his beliefs in his powers

Well if he doesn't belief in himself or his powers it is because of his lack of confidence.

When he is confident on his powers or that he can do something his power changes.

Look if Sentry will have done this vs Owen in Secret Wars 2 it will be a different story. But no he did it IMO vs a character that is portrayed as mentally unstable, projecting constructs that he is not even aware of, he was even afraid of Reed, when was molecule man afraid of Reed on Secret Wars 1 or 2 or in the new one? Hell he even ate maker as pizza because when confident he knows he can do anything.

Personally I think that if you were to pit this Dark Avengers MM vs any Secret Wars MM he will get eaten alive and I don't think many will think that this will end on a stalemate or DA MM win. It will be SC MM the one who will always win.

No problem with a character being more powerful than SM either. You were to ask me Rao who wins? Secret wars MM vs OWAW Superman i will tell you right away Owen will win. But not in the case of Dark Avengers MM to be honest.

Now the painkillers are kicking in and I am feeling woosy so I will keep reading nice talking to you buddy. smile

I know we might not agree on this issue, but no problem, just letting a few thoughts free on the air. smile

DarkSaint85

I think he meant the multiverse.

Maybe he was breaking the 4th wall, and meant the actual molecules of the comic book it was printed on.

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How do you know he didn't mean the Universe when he said the molecules around me? This is a candidate for the stupidest thing written this year. Congratulations, dumby.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think he meant the multiverse.

Maybe he was breaking the 4th wall, and meant the actual molecules of the comic book it was printed on.

Sentry superior to Grant Morrison confirmed.

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Enzeru
What I've always argued for however, is that he was AT LEAST... AT THE VERY LEAST a mid to high trans level character. Anything below that isn't going to do to the Sentry what Molecule Man was able to do Then we're not in very much disagreement. I'd put him low-mid trans.

That can't be backed up by feats, btw, so don't count on it in an argument - but as far as impressions go, I'm not against you.

Enzeru

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Now the painkillers are kicking in and I am feeling woosy so

May I ask why the painkillers?

I got pumped full with those a couple of days ago pre, during and after my surgery.
My pee and sweat smelled like death, while I was on them and the antibiotics and the narcotics.

Rao Kal El

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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you know I'm right.

I can read every comic in the world.

Well, the ones around me.

Ha! Pinche Dark thumb up

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well if he doesn't belief in himself or his powers it is because of his lack of confidence.

He isn't Gladiator but I understand why it's confusing. ^^

More or less that. smile

The point is that he was nut BUT we know thanks to the Dark Reign Files that there was some assessment about Owen unable to do certain feats AND in Dinosaur, he stated that he could do the things that he was unable to do in the assessments. It sounds logical to say that as Owen got rid of those limitations he isn't limited anymore thus at full power.

Noooo.

DA MM is a lot more skilled SW MM for the same unlimited power-level.

Ok.

Man, I wish you to get better very soon.

I've seen on medicalxpress, futurism and many other sites that huge improvements are made, it's just a matter of time before they find something. smile

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you define as around me? Did he mean the Solar System? How do you know he didn't mean the Universe when he said the molecules around me? Maybe he just meant the molecules in a 10 foot radius?

It's not something anyone can answer and focusing on one statement to ignore the clear purpose and implications of the comic: "That Reynolds is a mental patient with more power than God and no ability to control it." is some Carver level shit. Especially since we have a well established history for Owen Reece's incredible power.

I don't think Bendis intended him to be a Multiversal destroying entity but why does that matter? Bendis had very clear boundaries on the power of Cosmics but he still choose Owen Reece to demonstrate the scary boundaries of Sentry's power. Boundaries that are far more on the level of a cosmic being than Superman or any other herald level being.

You guys are smoking weed here if you don't think Sentry would have turned Superman into a tulip in that moment. Defining the boundaries of Molecule Man over a phrase is retarded. He has absolute molecular control of everything around him. Whether it's a Multiverse or the planet Earth, he's more or less God and he clearly saw Sentry as a peer.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Avengers-2009/Issue-13?id=17526

Sentry/Void are closer to God in that sense: The entire arc focused on Sentry's inability to die and having the power to do basically anything. A lot of cognitive dissonance going on here instead of just pointing out that Superman gets tentacle raped and moving on. I swear, you can make a Superman vs. Galactus thread and it would still reach ten pages with an asterisk on how possibly it can go the other way because Galactus might suck.
laughing out loud

Philosoph�a

Molecule Man can reach into the atoms of the real world, and shrink people's brains.

Proof: rage.

QED.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know that. And that's also something I've been arguing for.

The last time we saw Molecule Man before he fought the Sentry, he was in the Raft. A prison for regular people. A bio had stated, that SHIELD managed to capture him, while he was in a weird mental state and his power level was manageable.

So a crazy mental state clearly makes Molecule Man weaker and in Dark Avengers he was talking to illusions. Molecule Man was clearly crazy and hence weaker, than we would expect him to be.

I've never ever argued, that it was the multiversal or hell even an universal version of the character.
What I've always argued for however, is that he was AT LEAST... AT THE VERY LEAST a mid to high trans level character. Anything below that isn't going to do to the Sentry what Molecule Man was able to do:

Ripping the Sentry apart on a physical and on a molecular level. It takes insane amounts of power to achieve that, since we're talking about a guy, who while depowered took attacks from World War Hulk. And asked for more. Sentry tanked Thors strongest attacks. Planet busting attacks from Genis-Vell. Sentry fought Void in 1v1s - the same creature, that broke all the bones in Hulks body without even trying.

You simply don't rip someone like that apart, if you're a town level molecule manipulator. You just don't.

What is World War Hulk in your opinion? Higher than a low trans character? Lower actually?

No matter how you look at it, I don't think it's crazy to say, that Hulk is a high herald in the strength and durability (healing factor) depoartment. He might be a mid herald due to his lack of versatility, but nothing lower. And in World War Hulk his strength and durability got amped so much further than ever before.
World War Hulk was at least a low trans character.

And then you had the Sentry punching it out with that guy. And I've went out of my way to explain that the Sentry we saw there was the weakest Sentry we had ever seen.
And that guy went toe on toe with the Hulk for multiple pages, until both burnt themselves out. That depowered Sentry made the Hulk use all of his energy to inflict damage on the Sentry, or healing factor to keep healing all the damage he was receiving... Whatever. Hulk and Sentry both used everything and reverted back.

And Sentry just went up from there power level wise.
I personally argue that Sentry is the most powerful trans level character in comics. Not on the level of Skyfathers like Odin, but high heralds like Thor aren't an issue for him. And with his X-factor of him being a wild card, I'm never surprised, when he comes up with even more ridiculous showings... like for example him defeating the Molecule Man. Or him supposedly fighting Galactus to a standstill. Or him outperforming the combined powers of over 100 heroes, that were amped with Hulks gamma radiation.

Marvel has called the Sentry the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe. So have a couple of Marvel characters. Why shouldn't I do the same ?_?
So how powerful is Morgana?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4457978-dark+avengers+002+pg+22.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4457979-dark+avengers+002+pg+23.jpg

mmm

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

Except when it comes to Thor. Then all bets are off and Thor can even kill Void Sentry.

Even in Hickman's Avengers, Molecule Men were only universal level in power. And a lot of them got killed by Doom.

But nevermind, Molecule Man is some kind of cosmic badass because Sentry beats him.

What about Morgana Le Fey. And Noh-varr's gun?

He can kill him sure. With Reynolds assisting and wanting to stay dead.

Hickman completely revamped the concept of Owen Reece so I have no idea of how that is relevant.

I don't know what any of that has to do with anything except to prove that his durability fluctuates and he cannot die. Something everyone knows already.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend
So how powerful is Morgana?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4457978-dark+avengers+002+pg+22.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4457979-dark+avengers+002+pg+23.jpg

mmm

....what does Morgana going back in time and killing Sentry in some distant past (I.e smothering him in his crib or something) have to do with this thread or Sentry's power levels.

Especially since he resurrected unharmed.

carver9

He resurrected himself after being killed in the past. That's freaking insane.

Philosoph�a

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand Blame Owen.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by carver9
thumb up

He resurrected himself after being killed in the past. That's freaking insane.

True. Nobody in the JLA can do the same. Dead is dead. thumb up

cdtm

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by cdtm
The same way Hulk did.

Hulk =/= Superman, there was a lot in play there that caused it to end in a slug fest. And this says all-out. I'm assuming reality warping Void stalemate has Sentry.

Philosoph�a

Rage is one post away from aneurysm.

Molecule Man should teleport Donald Blake to his crib ASAP.

cdtm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk =/= Superman. And this says all-out. I'm assuming reality warping Void stalemate has Sentry.

Voidtry =/= Sentry.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by cdtm
Voidtry =/= Sentry.

? The Sentry is the Void is the Sentry. The Sentry is historically more powerful than the Void actually.

If you want to limit the Sentry as a high end flying brick who can blast stuff, this is a different thread then.

cdtm

Robert is not Void.

Different personalities, different power levels.

One_Angry_Scot

Originally posted by cdtm
Robert is not Void.

Different personalities, different power levels.

They are both the same person. Roberts dark half and ROberts good half. And if you wanted to really say who was more powerful then look at Sentry defeating the Void and throwing him into the Sun.

Rage made a good point in that regard.

Though I sometimes think that it may just be Sentry has more will to win than the Void does which is why he wins rather than a direct power advantage.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by cdtm
Robert is not Void.

Different personalities, different power levels.

Umm yes he is. The Void is actually a manifestation of Reynolds and is in a sense his true personality. The Sentry was created to save the world from the Void and defeat him whenever he came around.

Literally the same being with the Void/Sentry being different psychic manifestations....

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He can kill him sure. With Reynolds assisting and wanting to stay dead.

That's not what happened ragey boy.

He only updated his role. There is literally nothing else changed.

Seriously?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
....what does Morgana going back in time and killing Sentry in some distant past (I.e smothering him in his crib or something) have to do with this thread or Sentry's power levels.

Especially since he resurrected unharmed.
Morgana only said that. Sentry wasn't killed in the past. If that happened Morgana would only create an alternate timeline.

Quick, blame Owen for that too.

panthergod

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sentry wins. Void = Sentry in power by definition.

Let's assume they're equal (Lol)? How is Superman suppose to compete with someone who has total molecular control and can regenerate instantly.

By punching him in the face, for starters.

And they aren't equal. Superman is more powerful and has superior showings. Including while weakened.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
True. Nobody in the JLA can do the same. Dead is dead. thumb up

Superman beat Death on panel. Next.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman beat Death on panel. Next.

Rofl.

That's not an argument.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Rofl.

That's not an argument.

The point isn't debatable.

And who said the only way to win is killing?

Superman can just KO him. Easier than Hulk did.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
The point isn't debatable.

Rofl.

The point totally is debatable.

Scan and context. Which issue it is ? Post.

That's the only way and Superman cannot.

He cannot.

Destroying his brain did nothing.

That's another context with an ultra weakened Sentry and he koed Robert, not Sentry.

Enzeru

Originally posted by panthergod

Superman can just KO him. Easier than Hulk did.

Here is my problem with that approach:

Remember that one time in the early Action Comics, where Superman got bloodied up after stopping a train? Or the one time in early Superman comics, where Superman said his arms started getting tired after carrying a truck with a couple of thugs inside?

"But Enzeru, that were the early Superman years, where he still didn't have much exposure to the Sun and was just obtaining his amazing powers!"

Why aren't you treating the Sentry the same way then?

Yeah, the Sentry got flash KOed by Blue Marvel. But chronologically that happened before the Sentry had discovered the true origin of his powers:
Once the Sentry had realized what was going on with him, he stood back up with a hole in his head (http://i.imgur.com/dhSEiaV.jpg).
The Sentry got ripped apart into multiple pieces, but reformed immediately after (http://i.imgur.com/uq8L34J.jpg).
The Sentry continued fighting and killing gods after his head got cut off (http://i.imgur.com/IqnQNaS.jpg).
The Sentry ripped his own head apart and was still performing actions (http://i.imgur.com/xjp1rwe.jpg).
After getting his brain smashed in, he immediately stood back up and regenerated back (http://i.imgur.com/RgDEIHd.jpg).

We always go with the most recent version of a character. And even if you count Death Seed Sentry... post Dark Avengers / Siege Sentry was still resisting all forms of physical harm.
You can not KO someone, who gets his head cut off clean and continues to fight. That's just not how it works.

abhilegend

Lobo has regenerated from a pool of blood.

Superman has still koed him easily.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lobo has regenerated from a pool of blood.

Superman has still koed him easily.

Shitty argument.

Sentry can't be koed anymore.

Enzeru

Originally posted by abhilegend

Lobo has regenerated from a pool of blood.

Superman has still koed him easily.

Lobo isn't an immortal reality warper, who can teleport, resurrect the dead, send his tendrils of darkness into an age before Christ and destroy gods on a molecular level.

Facee

Originally posted by Enzeru
Here is my problem with that approach:

Remember that one time in the early Action Comics, where Superman got bloodied up after stopping a train? Or the one time in early Superman comics, where Superman said his arms started getting tired after carrying a truck with a couple of thugs inside?

"But Enzeru, that were the early Superman years, where he still didn't have much exposure to the Sun and was just obtaining his amazing powers!"

Why aren't you treating the Sentry the same way then?

Yeah, the Sentry got flash KOed by Blue Marvel. But chronologically that happened before the Sentry had discovered the true origin of his powers:
Once the Sentry had realized what was going on with him, he stood back up with a hole in his head (http://i.imgur.com/dhSEiaV.jpg).
The Sentry got ripped apart into multiple pieces, but reformed immediately after (http://i.imgur.com/uq8L34J.jpg).
The Sentry continued fighting and killing gods after his head got cut off (http://i.imgur.com/IqnQNaS.jpg).
The Sentry ripped his own head apart and was still performing actions (http://i.imgur.com/xjp1rwe.jpg).
After getting his brain smashed in, he immediately stood back up and regenerated back (http://i.imgur.com/RgDEIHd.jpg).

We always go with the most recent version of a character. And even if you count Death Seed Sentry... post Dark Avengers / Siege Sentry was still resisting all forms of physical harm.
You can not KO someone, who gets his head cut off clean and continues to fight. That's just not how it works.
That last scan. Would that blow have ripped Superman's brain out or is Sentry lower in durability than Superman?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Enzeru
Lobo isn't an immortal reality warper, who can teleport, resurrect the dead, send his tendrils of darkness into an age before Christ and destroy gods on a molecular level.
Fortunately neither is Sentry.

RealityWarper

The amount of lowballing coming from Abhi is just hysterically hilarious. laughing

You can't handle your precious Superman being inferior to anyone, don't you ? laughing

Enzeru

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fortunately neither is Sentry.

Immortality:

http://i.imgur.com/fCUI54D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s5RhgQA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uq8L34J.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z3m9ATJ.jpg

Reality warping:

http://i.imgur.com/M95veWX.jpg

Teleportation:

http://i.imgur.com/AXakxnx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3BmdJup.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pqgAgl3.jpg

Resurrection:

http://i.imgur.com/ELGLt5e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4cFQzKv.jpg

Time manipulation:

http://i.imgur.com/AZZGolf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oItfgDq.jpg

Molecular dispersion:

http://i.imgur.com/ypF0lT6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/W0pQZVg.jpg

Prof. T.C McAbe

@Reality
What I don't understand is why you so desperately want Sentry to be some Multiversal perversion of his true self.

What makes Sentry interesting and awesome is his personality, his fight against himself. If he is between HH and mid Trans or high Trans in power because of his phobias it gives him more depth and makes it far more realistic and believeable than if he was some Molecul Man 2.0.

Thor is a HH who dips into the trans range from time to time and only on the most rarest occasions higher. Same is true for Hulk or Superman. If they woul always be in this tier it would be boring and unrealistic if they struggle, even if you try to excuse it with holding back and going all out. For Sentry this works with phobias but on an Universal or Skyfather scale this would be just stupid and would contradict everything we saw in comics.

So be happy that he is "just" HH to trans, seriously.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
What I don't understand is why you so desperately want Sentry to be some Multiversal perversion of his true self.

If your post is addressed to me, you must understand that I don't want anything coming from a fictional character.

I investigate to understand how the character works, what the writer intents are and once I have understand everything I can, I stick with the information that I have.

If new informations comes (relatable because coming from official sources), I change my point of view accordingly to the new informations.

I know that many people hate what I say about Sentry but everything is the closest possible to Marvel's intent.

I can agree on that.

Prof, Sentry is a fictional character in a fictional world. His abilities are what the writers intend him to have, if he is a Molecule Man 2.0 I am fine with that if the stories continues to entertain me.

That's one way to see it.

Not really.

Everything make sense once you got all the informations to have the full scope of the character and that's what makes this twisted God interesting.

Writers don't really classify the characters the way people do on battle forums if they do that at all.

I'm glad that Sentry can change his gender whenever he wants it.

He is a shape-shifter after all.

Thanks for sharing your point of view Prof.

Cheers.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Enzeru
Immortality:

http://i.imgur.com/fCUI54D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s5RhgQA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uq8L34J.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z3m9ATJ.jpg

Reality warping:

http://i.imgur.com/M95veWX.jpg

Teleportation:

http://i.imgur.com/AXakxnx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3BmdJup.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pqgAgl3.jpg

Resurrection:

http://i.imgur.com/ELGLt5e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4cFQzKv.jpg

Time manipulation:

http://i.imgur.com/AZZGolf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oItfgDq.jpg

Molecular dispersion:

http://i.imgur.com/ypF0lT6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/W0pQZVg.jpg
Please, these are parlor tricks and has been done by Green Lanterns for decades.

If your reality warping amounts to a statement, you might as well give up right now.

celeyhyga17

Superman hv for the forum win.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Shitty argument.

Sentry can't be koed anymore.
No limits fallacy.

He's been kod and killed. By less powerful beings. Cry about it.

Punching hv and super vibrations ftw 7/10.

panthergod

Originally posted by Facee
That last scan. Would that blow have ripped Superman's brain out or is Sentry lower in durability than Superman?

He's nowhere near a weakened Superman in raw force durability.

Insane Titan

are you joking?

panthergod

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know that. And that's also something I've been arguing for.

The last time we saw Molecule Man before he fought the Sentry, he was in the Raft. A prison for regular people. A bio had stated, that SHIELD managed to capture him, while he was in a weird mental state and his power level was manageable.

So a crazy mental state clearly makes Molecule Man weaker and in Dark Avengers he was talking to illusions. Molecule Man was clearly crazy and hence weaker, than we would expect him to be.

I've never ever argued, that it was the multiversal or hell even an universal version of the character.
What I've always argued for however, is that he was AT LEAST... AT THE VERY LEAST a mid to high trans level character. Anything below that isn't going to do to the Sentry what Molecule Man was able to do:

Ripping the Sentry apart on a physical and on a molecular level. It takes insane amounts of power to achieve that, since we're talking about a guy, who while depowered took attacks from World War Hulk. And asked for more. Sentry tanked Thors strongest attacks. Planet busting attacks from Genis-Vell. Sentry fought Void in 1v1s - the same creature, that broke all the bones in Hulks body without even trying.

You simply don't rip someone like that apart, if you're a town level molecule manipulator. You just don't.

What is World War Hulk in your opinion? Higher than a low trans character? Lower actually?

No matter how you look at it, I don't think it's crazy to say, that Hulk is a high herald in the strength and durability (healing factor) depoartment. He might be a mid herald due to his lack of versatility, but nothing lower. And in World War Hulk his strength and durability got amped so much further than ever before.
World War Hulk was at least a low trans character.

And then you had the Sentry punching it out with that guy. And I've went out of my way to explain that the Sentry we saw there was the weakest Sentry we had ever seen.
And that guy went toe on toe with the Hulk for multiple pages, until both burnt themselves out. That depowered Sentry made the Hulk use all of his energy to inflict damage on the Sentry, or healing factor to keep healing all the damage he was receiving... Whatever. Hulk and Sentry both used everything and reverted back.

And Sentry just went up from there power level wise.
I personally argue that Sentry is the most powerful trans level character in comics. Not on the level of Skyfathers like Odin, but high heralds like Thor aren't an issue for him. And with his X-factor of him being a wild card, I'm never surprised, when he comes up with even more ridiculous showings... like for example him defeating the Molecule Man. Or him supposedly fighting Galactus to a standstill. Or him outperforming the combined powers of over 100 heroes, that were amped with Hulks gamma radiation.

Marvel has called the Sentry the most powerful superhero in the Marvel universe. So have a couple of Marvel characters. Why shouldn't I do the same ?_?

Are those showings supposed to be superior to what superman has done?
Lol at wwhh Sentry being his weakest.. He specifically said the opposite. He was cutting loose.

Superman beats Galactus level Skyfather on panel. Like Darkseid.

Sentry gets torn apart and atomized.

Enzeru

Originally posted by abhilegend

Please, these are parlor tricks and has been done by Green Lanterns for decades.

If your reality warping amounts to a statement, you might as well give up right now.

You haven't really provided anything, which debunks my statements. And youu haven't brought anything new to the table, which makes me think that Superman stands a chance. In the end of the day Supermans offensive options are punching hard and shooting laser beams out of his eyes. And none of those options are enough to stop the Sentry.

But more in the response to this guy:

Originally posted by panthergod

He's been kod and killed. By less powerful beings. Cry about it.

Punching hv and super vibrations ftw 7/10.

Superman has been brought to the brink of death after tanking a nuke:
http://i.imgur.com/h4c9uRg.jpg

Sentry on the other hand has tanked planet busting attacks with absolutely no damage:
http://i.imgur.com/oyeb1MA.jpg

"But Enzeru, you haven't mentioned how Superman didn't have as much solar energy in his cells at that time! And you also haven't mentioned, that he got a beat down by two Kryptonians before tanking the nuke! So a weakened Superman still survived a nuclear explosion."

That's not the point I was trying to make. My point is, that some debaters here are too easy to point out how great Superman is in these instances... While giving the Sentry the same benefit. Some posters here are too quick to make fun of the Sentry getting some sense punched into him by the Helicarrier explosion, while completely ignoring the fact, that he got attacked and weakened by a legion of empowered heroes.

Anyway, the Sentry has dished out planet busting energy, while still holding back.

Superman on the other hand released all of the solar energy stored in his body in a supernova - which affected quarter of a mile and left him drained and vulnerable:
http://i.imgur.com/y9Fc6ND.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/54rPD8n.png
http://i.imgur.com/h5V5t0Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lZP7fQA.jpg

And there is not even additional context to that. Supermans heat energy destroyed a quarter mile radius, when he gave it his very all. Sentry destroyed planets, while holding back.

To think that Supermans heat vision is going to bother the Sentry... I don't know what to tell you.

And anything regarding punching and vibrating... I mean, a depowered Sentry was willingly tanking punches from World War Hulk and asking for more.
I have my doubts, that Superman can inflict more damage than World War Hulk with mere punches alone.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
No limits fallacy.

"no limit fallacy" doesn't exist.

It's a term made-up by fanboys to hide a lack of arguments or counter-arguments.

Sentry doesn't need his body to live.

.

Since the Death Seed he is aware that he doesn't need his body.

Destroying his brain did nothing.

Destroying his body did nothing.

I am stating fact.

you are the one crying.

All are useless.

The fact that you want to ignore Sentry's abilities doesn't matter.

Sentry stomps 10/10.

panthergod

Originally posted by Enzeru
You haven't really provided anything, which debunks my statements. And youu haven't brought anything new to the table, which makes me think that Superman stands a chance. In the end of the day Supermans offensive options are punching hard and shooting laser beams out of his eyes. And none of those options are enough to stop the Sentry.

But more in the response to this guy:

Superman has been brought to the brink of death after tanking a nuke:
http://i.imgur.com/h4c9uRg.jpg

Sentry on the other hand has tanked planet busting attacks with absolutely no damage:
http://i.imgur.com/oyeb1MA.jpg

"But Enzeru, you haven't mentioned how Superman didn't have as much solar energy in his cells at that time! And you also haven't mentioned, that he got a beat down by two Kryptonians before tanking the nuke! So a weakened Superman still survived a nuclear explosion."

That's not the point I was trying to make. My point is, that some debaters here are too easy to point out how great Superman is in these instances... While giving the Sentry the same benefit. Some posters here are too quick to make fun of the Sentry getting some sense punched into him by the Helicarrier explosion, while completely ignoring the fact, that he got attacked and weakened by a legion of empowered heroes.

Anyway, the Sentry has dished out planet busting energy, while still holding back.

Superman on the other hand released all of the solar energy stored in his body in a supernova - which affected quarter of a mile and left him drained and vulnerable:
http://i.imgur.com/y9Fc6ND.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/54rPD8n.png
http://i.imgur.com/h5V5t0Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lZP7fQA.jpg

And there is not even additional context to that. Supermans heat energy destroyed a quarter mile radius, when he gave it his very all. Sentry destroyed planets, while holding back.

To think that Supermans heat vision is going to bother the Sentry... I don't know what to tell you.

And anything regarding punching and vibrating... I mean, a depowered Sentry was willingly tanking punches from World War Hulk and asking for more.
I have my doubts, that Superman can inflict more damage than World War Hulk with mere punches alone.

You done deflecting? Sentry was thumped by the Human Torch. Hercules chumped him. There goes those deflections.

Superman while weakened is superior to the entire JLA including Hand of Krona GL Hal. HoK>Sentry.

HV effects a sub atomic and dimensional level. Super vibration destroy Multiveral energy beings.

Superman withstands easily Galactus+level power.

Cry more.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
"no limit fallacy" doesn't exist.

It's a term made-up by fanboys to hide a lack of arguments or counter-arguments.

Sentry doesn't need his body to live.

.

Since the Death Seed he is aware that he doesn't need his body.

Destroying his brain did nothing.

Destroying his body did nothing.

I am stating fact.

you are the one crying.

All are useless.

The fact that you want to ignore Sentry's abilities doesn't matter.

Sentry stomps 10/10.
So you have no proof. Sentry gets kod and destroyed. Period.

He needs his body to win. Superman destroys him on a dimensional level. Concession accepted.

Sentry s abilities are eclipsed by his superior Superman. Continue to cry.

Enzeru

Originally posted by panthergod

You done deflecting?

Let's see:

Originally posted by panthergod

Sentry was thumped by the Human Torch. Hercules chumped him. There goes those deflections.

You start off by naming Sentrys lowest jobber showings, which go up against everything serious he has accomplished and performed in the comics...

Originally posted by panthergod

Superman while weakened is superior to the entire JLA including Hand of Krona GL Hal. HoK>Sentry.

... while for Superman you look for the absolutely highest showing you can come up with.

"I am pretty sure that in a fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine... Spider-Man would win, because he beat Firelord, a herald of Galactus, while Wolverine got knocked out by a deer."

Originally posted by panthergod

HV effects a sub atomic and dimensional level. Super vibration destroy Multiveral energy beings.

Then you forge a strategy, where Superman gets free shots on the non-interactive punching bag that is the Sentry.
And you completely ignore f.E. Sentrys empathy abilities, which allow him to dismantle and paralyse opponents immediately - something, that would prevent Superman from starting his own offense.

Originally posted by panthergod

Cry more.

And then you tell me to pretty much **** myself.

Yeah, I think I'm done. It's kinda obvious, who you want to win and that you don't care about much else.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happened ragey boy.

He only updated his role. There is literally nothing else changed.

Seriously?

Yes it is. Bendis confirmed that Reynolds only died because he wanted to stay dead.

He completely revamped Molecule Man and turned him into a Universal anchor. But that doesn't matter, because 616 Owen Reece was still a suppository and control mechanism for Infinte Power so Hickman didn't downgrade him or whatever nonsense you're arguing.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by abhilegend
Morgana only said that. Sentry wasn't killed in the past. If that happened Morgana would only create an alternate timeline.

Quick, blame Owen for that too.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4457979-dark+avengers+002+pg+23.jpg

Sentry destroys Morgana easily. He blows up randomly and she says kill me again and I'll erase you from the time line.

Learn to read slumdog millionaire.

panthergod

Originally posted by Enzeru
Let's see:

You start off by naming Sentrys lowest jobber showings, which go up against everything serious he has accomplished and performed in the comics...

... while for Superman you look for the absolutely highest showing you can come up with.

Then you forge a strategy, where Superman gets free shots on the non-interactive punching bag that is the Sentry.
And you completely ignore f.E. Sentrys empathy abilities, which allow him to dismantle and paralyse opponents immediately - something, that would prevent Superman from starting his own offense.

And then you tell me to pretty much **** myself.

Yeah, I think I'm done. It's kinda obvious, who you want to win and that you don't care about much else.

Your transparent low balling nonsense is neutralized by Sentry s pathetic performance. In combat. keep whining. Relative combat showings trump area of effect or collateral damage comparisons.

Superman IS far faster and more skilled, yes. He can conceivably attack and avoid Sentry at will, not that Sentry can overcome his invulnerability or stamina. Problem?

Wait.. You're arguing that Sentry can defeat Superman in a contest of Willpower? Countered by Torquasm Vo. Brainiac. Despero. Nope.

I think the more formidable opponent has the advantage. Feel free to complain about your weak reasoning.

Rage.Of.Olympus

I dislike Superman fanatics. Its only with them and Hulk fans that I find myself arguing feats that would make Thor or -insert top 5 character- look better because they don't understand basic comprehension.

celeyhyga17

Be nice to my buddy.

Neways standard Superman has better on-panel feats than standard Sentry.

D-Block

Originally posted by tkitna
Oh, if this is Dsentry, its spite against Clark.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
So you have no proof. Sentry gets kod and destroyed. Period.

Your childish behaviour is making me losing my patience...

https://s2.postimg.org/8mp3ni1tl/Uncanny_Avengers_015-010.jpg

https://s2.postimg.org/4io4v05vd/Uncanny_Avengers_015-011.jpg

He doesn't.

1 thought is all is needed to destroy superman

The **** is that ?

Do you smoke or something ?

All that Superman can do is punch Sentry or use energy projection, in both cases that's completely useless.

Superman is doomed.

He has nothing to beat a guy whom can't be beaten physically, especially that version of Superman that only exist inside your head...

Concession of what ?

You are only saying random bullshit and nothing to back it up...

Yeah sure.

So far you've proved nothing.

I know all of Superman's feats and Sentry is out of his league.

Sentry can't be killed and there is nothing that Superman can do at all.

Your salt isn't healthy. Get over it.

You didn't make a single argument so far...

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I dislike Superman fanatics. Its only with them and Hulk fans that I find myself arguing feats that would make Thor or -insert top 5 character- look better because they don't understand basic comprehension.

Rofl this panthergod is saying bullshit only XD

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Your childish behaviour is making me losing my patience...

https://s2.postimg.org/8mp3ni1tl/Uncanny_Avengers_015-010.jpg

https://s2.postimg.org/4io4v05vd/Uncanny_Avengers_015-011.jpg

What does Supermans inferior have to do with Superman?

Sentry > Darkseid?

Prove that claim.

Sentry isn't unbeatable no matter how desperately you want to lie to yourself about it.

He's been beaten. Numerous times.

Rachel Pollacks New Gods 10. Infinite Crisis. Action Comics 615 iirc. Final Crisis 7.

Superman shatters and disperses Sentry on a dimensional level.

No Sentry has nothing comparable.

So just laughable fanboy whining...Still?

He has been KOd and killed.

Sentry isn't powerful enough to defeat Superman. He lacks the power.

Superman s punches and HV take out beings well above Sentry. Like Darkseid. He can shatter space time barriers and destroy eextradiensional energy beings. As well as Omniverse threatening cosmic effects like the Ghost Planet via suprspeed.

He can KO him destroy him at a subatomic and dimensional level. At will.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
What does Supermans inferior have to do with Superman?]

The hell.

English please

I've already posted everything that is needed in that thread.

Sentry can disintegrate Superman with a thought.

Superman has 0 way to beat Sentry.

Quoting random issues of DC comics isn't an argument

Stop smoking. Superman cannot do that.

You've never read a Sentry comcis

You are projecting

Yes. He cannot be anymore.

Have you learn to read ?

Physically destroyed, yes.

Killed, no

"OK"

Senseless claim

Bullshit

Bullshit

All of your claims are a version of Superman that only exist inside your head. That's trolling.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The hell.

English please

I've already posted everything that is needed in that thread.

Sentry can disintegrate Superman with a thought.

Superman has 0 way to beat Sentry.

Quoting random issues of DC comics isn't an argument

Stop smoking. Superman cannot do that.

You've never read a Sentry comcis

You are projecting

Yes. He cannot be anymore.

Have you learn to read ?

Physically destroyed, yes.

Killed, no

"OK"

Senseless claim

Bullshit

Bullshit

All of your claims are a version of Superman that only exist inside your head. That's trolling.

Your illiteracy isn't my problem.

You have yet to prove that Sentry can KO him with his full power let alone beat him with a thought.

But go ahead. Prove that Sentry trumps a CPB+Olympus+Speedforce+DC magick. Or the Omega Effect.

..except the things that have ready beaten him on a scale he has never withstood.

I've read virtually every Sentry appearance. Try again. You otoh know nothing beyond respect threads on Superman.

I couldn't care less about the fact that you know nothing about Superman.

Yet has done it. Period. On a scale Sentry can't touch. Cry more

Being destroyed is a loss. Period. Superman destroy him with ease at will.

Everything I said is a fact with citations given. Ghost planet was Adventures 617. What you think about that is irrelevant. Sentry gets torn apart physically and scattered to the dimensional level. Keep crying.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
Your illiteracy isn't my problem.

You have yet to prove that Sentry can KO him with his full power let alone beat him with a thought.

But go ahead. Prove that Sentry trumps a CPB+Olympus+Speedforce+DC magick. Or the Omega Effect.

..except the things that have ready beaten him on a scale he has never withstood.

I've read virtually every Sentry appearance. Try again. You otoh know nothing beyond respect threads on Superman.

I couldn't care less about the fact that you know nothing about Superman.

Yet has done it. Period. On a scale Sentry can't touch. Cry more

Being destroyed is a loss. Period. Superman destroy him with ease at will.

Everything I said is a fact with citations given. Ghost planet was Adventures 617. What you think about that is irrelevant. Sentry gets torn apart physically and scattered to the dimensional level. Keep crying.

You are reported for trolling. I'm not debating a Superman that only exist inside your head.

panthergod

Btw.. Were using external upgrades now? Heh. You do NOT want to go that route...

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are reported for trolling. I'm not debating a Superman that only exist inside your head.

Citations were given proving every single claim. Your ignorance isn't an argument. Concession accepted. You will also be reported for trolling by citing an an externally boosted character that has nothing to do with the OP stips. Hypocrite. Concession accepted.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
Btw.. Were using external upgrades now? Heh. You do NOT want to go that route...

We are using current versions of the characters.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
Citations were given proving every single claim. Your ignorance isn't an argument. Concession accepted. You will also be reported for trolling by citing an an externally boosted character that has nothing to do with the OP stips. Hypocrite. Concession accepted.

Reported for trolling / baiting.

I'm using the current version of the character.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Reported for trolling / baiting.

I'm using the current version of the character.

Reported for deliberately violating thread stips

I never stated Death Sentry an externally amped character. This thread is about Sentry. I determine the stips. Not that it matter as to my argument which you cannot refute and started reporting like a coward because you lost.. Gtfo my thread if you're going to ignore and lie about facts troll.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by panthergod
Reported for deliberately violating thread stips

I'm not violating the rules.

You are.

Current version.

You don't determine the battle rules.

You made no arguments so there is nothing to refute.

I'm a reporting you because you are an obvious troll, using a version of a character that only exist inside your head and I don't debate against versions of characters that only exist inside your head.

DarkSaint85

Lol. Panther is the thread starter though.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Panther is the thread starter though.

Yeah. So funny.

This guy is a clone of Sharivan at best...

A)

https://s2.postimg.org/jjwsqchq1/Sans-titre-1.jpg

That's the rules in the OP.

As far as I know the OP can't change the rules of the thread on the fly. That's not in the rules.

B)

The only differences between Sentry and Death Seed Sentry is the persona. The power-set and the power-level are the same. This has no impact on the outcome.

Sentry erases Superman with a thought.

The Nuul

guys, anymore trolling will result in a ban. I will ban the both of you. stop now.

Impediment

If we could all put away our penises, please, and get back to topic........that would be great, m'kay?

Otherwise the Nuul with issue out temp bans.

DarkSaint85

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not violating the rules.

You are.

Current version.

You don't determine the battle rules.

You made no arguments so there is nothing to refute.

I'm a reporting you because you are an obvious troll, using a version of a character that only exist inside your head and I don't debate against versions of characters that only exist inside your head.

Thanks or proving that you're trolling. This is MY Thread. I determine the parameters. You want to lie about proven Feats? Every argument you've made is irrelevant in the first place. Either address the facts I cited with specific issue citations or you concede. Gtfo my thread if you're too terrified to actually debate against Superman s feats. So far you have nothing. If you aren't going to try to debate the facts you concede. I accept your concession. Don't respond Without a legitimate counterargument to my cited facts or you will be reported for deliberately spamming my thread.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by Impediment
If we could all put away our penises, please, and get back to topic........that would be great, m'kay?

Isn't that a problem that this guy uses a version of the character that only exist inside his head and make obvious effort at creating dramas via insulting people ?

Why doesn't "moderator" appears in the Nuul profile ?

DarkSaint85

Nuul is an undercover mod. It's special...like a plainclothes officer.

panthergod

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah. So funny.

This guy is a clone of Sharivan at best...

A)

https://s2.postimg.org/jjwsqchq1/Sans-titre-1.jpg

That's the rules in the OP.

As far as I know the OP can't change the rules of the thread on the fly. That's not in the rules.

B)

The only differences between Sentry and Death Seed Sentry is the persona. The power-set and the power-level are the same. This has no impact on the outcome.

Sentry erases Superman with a thought.

You don't make the rules here.

Second death sentry was enhanced by the apocalypse twins. He's no different than Archangel to original angel or Death Wolverine or War Hulk. The OP does not say Death Sentry.