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Thanos w/soul gem:

https://imgur.com/a/BuxU9

vs.

JLA Black Lanterns:

https://imgur.com/a/6hz9t


Who wins this fight?

The Black lanterns definitely have souls- hence why Diana and some of the others were able to change the color of their rings, and come back to life.

Anyway's, Thanos wins unless Nekron is included. Nekron has no soul, and would overpower Thanos easily. If Nekron isn't here, then Thanos could just control the black lanterns, and/or destroy their souls.

But yeah, Nekron would stomp Thanos w/the soul gem. He might even be able to take on IG Thanos, considering it took the entire white lantern corps to stop him, and even the Anti-monitor was beaten down by him.

Only the ones who had been turned could turn back, no?

The 'OG' BLs weren't actually sentient characters. But were meat puppets.

Thanos with the soul gem wins. Wait a minute, did the Lanterns even have a soul?

Depends. Nekron definitely didn't have a soul and he's their master. According to this , Black Lanterns don't either.

I'm trying to find the issue where this was stated. If true, Thanos is in for a world of punishment.

Too late to edit my post, but here's the scan :
https://s14.postimg.org/diky9i4yl/RCO019.jpg
It's from Blackest Night 3.

Meat puppets, as the great DS85 said.

Black Lantern Superman alone no sold Atrocitus, Sinestro and Larfleeze (100,000%) combined.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8q4cRCXpOhY/Vn0OhsNDV6I/AAAAAAAAejs/EKKWVBQxFNU/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LCXyHvJ1AaU/Vn0Otz32SVI/AAAAAAAAeoQ/T2SeFd6xFiE/s1600-Ic42/RCO006.jpg

Thanos gets his shit kicked in.

Black Lantern Green Arrow soloes.

black lantern elongated man gives thanos an atomic wedgie

With a track record like Thanos, I find myself baffled when people claim that he'd be beaten, especially by meat puppets. There's a very good chance that these Black Lantern's may become his pawns before any fight began. He was seen controlling the dead, not to mention that every female version of Death loves him. Look at Hela for example.

Originally posted by Stoic
With a track record like Thanos, I find myself baffled when people claim that he'd be beaten, especially by meat puppets. There's a very good chance that these Black Lantern's may become his pawns before any fight began. He was seen controlling the dead, not to mention that every female version of Death loves him. Look at Hela for example.

Nekron falling in love with Thanos ftw.

Also props to OP for giving Thanos an item uniquely ill suited against black lanterns. That said, the situation is still salvageable if we use the 70s classic version of the soul gem. Warlock has used it to manipulate matter and dead corpses in fact.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only the ones who had been turned could turn back, no?

The 'OG' BLs weren't actually sentient characters. But were meat puppets.

That's also wrong. The Black lanterns were revived, but their minds were under control. The ones who were already dead when possessed couldn't change to another color, but they could still resist the possession. We saw this with Jessie Quick and her father, as he willingly ran into the Black lantern EMT to save her, sacrificing himself.

There were limited instances of phenomena like this, but it definitely exhibits at least a small amount of independence from the influence of Nekron. It was even mentioned, iirc, that the souls were being manipulated, not just the bodies. This is how the Spectre was turned into a black lantern.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Black Lantern Superman alone no sold Atrocitus, Sinestro and Larfleeze (100,000%) combined.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8q4cRCXpOhY/Vn0OhsNDV6I/AAAAAAAAejs/EKKWVBQxFNU/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LCXyHvJ1AaU/Vn0Otz32SVI/AAAAAAAAeoQ/T2SeFd6xFiE/s1600-Ic42/RCO006.jpg

Thanos gets his shit kicked in.

Uh, that's not what happened in those scans. Like, at all. In fact, Larfleeze and Sinestro BOTH explicitly claim to be on the verge of making the "kill-shot", before Hal stops them.

Also, this Superman was basically under mind control- meaning he still had a soul, and Thanos could control him, along with all of the other living BL's.

Regardless, Nekron himself would crush Thanos akin to me crushing a gnat with a newspaper.

Originally posted by operator616
Nekron falling in love with Thanos ftw.

It is possible. Thanos has a unique affinity for Death in all of it's forms from what his history has shown at least.

He has also been able to summon the dead, and control them. My point was just to say that any hard claims being made on a subject as controversial as Thanos' interactions with the dead may be the exact opposite of what a few have expected.

It's like putting Hank Henshaw up against Galactus' Punisher's and expecting him to get destroyed without taking into account that he is a high level Technopath. Just saying.

Originally posted by Stoic
It is possible. Thanos has a unique affinity for Death in all of it's forms from what his history has shown at least.

He has also been able to summon the dead, and control them. My point was just to say that any hard claims being made on a subject as controversial as Thanos' interactions with the dead may be the exact opposite of what a few have expected.

It's like putting Hank Henshaw up against Galactus' Punisher's and expecting him to get destroyed without taking into account that he is a high level Technopath. Just saying.
Nekron isn't just a Death abstract. He's also sentient Darkness and Void. He's nothing like Marvel's Death.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nekron isn't just a Death abstract. He's also sentient Darkness and Void. He's nothing like Marvel's Death.

Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.
THEY HAVE NO SOUL. Neither does Nekron. The Soul Gem is literally worthless here.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

Originally posted by zopzop
THEY HAVE NO SOUL. Neither does Nekron. The Soul Gem is literally worthless here.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

How does that differ from the minions that he pulled in to fight Anni's horde of bugs? The dead have no souls either way. The ones that he pulled in to fight for him were no different. I'm just saying that it's not as cut and dry as several people may believe.

Karmic blasts may work as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.
They are dead but without a soul

How can you use the soul gem to manipulate someone who has no soul?

Originally posted by Stoic
How does that differ from the minions that he pulled in to fight Anni's horde of bugs? The dead have no souls either way. The ones that he pulled in to fight for him were no different. I'm just saying that it's not as cut and dry as several people may believe.

For Thanos to take them over, he would need to outwrestle them from Nekron First.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, that's not what happened in those scans. Like, at all. In fact, Larfleeze and Sinestro BOTH explicitly claim to be on the verge of making the "kill-shot", before Hal stops them.

Also, this Superman was basically under mind control- meaning he still had a soul, and Thanos could control him, along with all of the other living BL's.

Regardless, Nekron himself would crush Thanos akin to me crushing a gnat with a newspaper.

Nekron's shtick is control over dead/souls, not the mind. It's why he couldn't just outright take over everyone. That's an important distinction in this discussion.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.

This is all the proof you'll need:

soul gem was ineffective against amped brute (warlock #5), inbetweener (#11), triax, man beast's energy being, count abyss and his wraiths, against valkyrie mental construct (W&TIW #5, 6, 16, 23 respectively).

etc...

It is completely useless against beings without a soul/spirit. So no, he definitely can't suck them into soul world.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They are dead but without a soul

How can you use the soul gem to manipulate someone who has no soul?

Thanos can manipulate the dead without even using the Soul Gem. He didn't have it when he summoned hordes of dead to fight for him. The dead have no souls. He didn't have the Soul Gem and was able to do this under his own power.

I repeat, the dead that Thanos summoned to fight against Anni and his bugs and turn the tide had no souls either. They were dead.

Originally posted by Stoic
Karmic blasts may work as well.

Karmic blasts vs soul-less wraiths:

https://imgur.com/PNc54CI

"absolutely no effect"

Karmic attack vs Strange:

https://imgur.com/f3FaVRL
https://imgur.com/OHX6Eif

Note: This is not Stephen Strange, but rather one of the two constructs he created at the time to replace him. As such, it had no spirit/soul.

Originally posted by operator616
Karmic blasts vs soul-less wraiths:

https://imgur.com/PNc54CI

"absolutely no effect"

Karmic attack vs Strange:

https://imgur.com/f3FaVRL
https://imgur.com/OHX6Eif

Note: This is not Stephen Strange, but rather one of the two constructs he created at the time to replace him. As such, it had no spirit/soul.

Okay so the Soul Gem is useless. Now that we've cleared that up, Thanos can still control the dead and soul-less just like Hank Henshaw can control tech.

This may be like putting Thanos in his element and believing that it would somehow be a detriment to him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Okay so the Soul Gem is useless. Now that we've cleared that up, Thanos can still control the dead and soul-less just like Hank Henshaw can control tech.

This may be like putting Thanos in his element and believing that it would somehow be a detriment to him.
That's the thing. They're not souless as in reanimated zombies or other undead. They are more like puppets being controlled by the Black Rings. So unless Thanos is rocking Emotional Spectrum energies that combine Green + any other color (to sever the Rings connection to their puppet) he's screwed.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's the thing. They're not souless as in reanimated zombies or other undead. They are more like puppets being controlled by the Black Rings. So unless Thanos is rocking Emotional Spectrum energies that combine Green + any other color (to sever the Rings connection to their puppet) he's screwed.

Originally posted by zopzop
THEY HAVE NO SOUL. Neither does Nekron. The Soul Gem is literally worthless here.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

Lmao, they don't have souls, but they're not souless?

Regardless, yes, Thanos would need emotional spectrum energy to sever the rings connection. However, no one is saying he would do that in the first place. We're saying that, at least in the case of BL's who have souls, which all the most powerful of them do, Thanos could easily take control of them FROM Nekron.

So against all the BL's, Thanos would win, because he'd have the strongest one's on his side (Superman, Martian Manhunter, Bart Allen, Wonder Woman, etc.), due to the soul gem. Without it, he'd get stomped by the combo of un-dead heavy hitters like Superman and co.

Even assuming he could win however, he'd still get no-sold by Nekron- who can casually overpower beings like the Anti-monitor and individual White Lanterns.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Lmao, they don't have souls, but they're not souless?

You misunderstood me. I was saying they're not souless beings like animated zombies or other undead (who are sometimes portrayed as souless). They're more similar to puppets on a string and the Black Ring is the puppeteer. That's why the Ring's connection to the BL has to be severed before they can be put down.

The Soul Gem is useless here.

This is neither here nor there, but I could see Thanos getting super jacked on Black Lantern energy. If it were ever written up that he had a run in with the BL's, I could see him actually taking Nekron's place. He's been in grander positions after all.

Anyway, this is a very interesting topic imo.

Originally posted by zopzop
You misunderstood me. I was saying they're not souless beings like animated zombies or other undead (who are sometimes portrayed as souless). They're more similar to puppets on a string and the Black Ring is the puppeteer. That's why the Ring's connection to the BL has to be severed before they can be put down.

The Soul Gem is useless here.

Not ignoring you btw. If Thanos gets laid out then so be it. I just can't help but think that a BL ring would immediately be drawn to him in a comic setting.

His abilities are also far reaching. Because of his connection to mystical forces, he can and has bent the laws of probability in the past. He was able to get into direct contact with Galactus who was thought to have near impregnable psi shields. Even Krona had to go through literally beating Galactus to death, and he was still no closer to the answer than when he began. Thanos was in full contact with him.

IMO he'd rip your average BL apart with ease. Darkseid fought Zeus, and their battle scorched mountains, while Thanos was obliterating planetoids. Not sure how anyone can call that a weak average? We also can't forget that he was flying, so as far as I can tell he isn't a land locked opponent. If he went down he'd take a lot of them with him. He was able to summon hordes of the dead capable of repelling and defeating Annihilus's wave. Also Nekron is overkill, can he technically.be considered a BL?

Originally posted by Stoic
Not ignoring you btw.
Oh I know, I was just clarifying a statement in my posts to SSJ.


Of course he would. But again that's not the point. He could rip them apart a million times and they would reform a million times. Even when Mogo (a planet with a GL ring) forced scrub Black Lanterns into his core and ignited them. They didn't die. They were destroyed only to be reformed again over and over and over. Unless you sever the Black Ring's control over it's host, they are eternal. Literally.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, that's not what happened in those scans. Like, at all. In fact, Larfleeze and Sinestro BOTH explicitly claim to be on the verge of making the "kill-shot", before Hal stops them.


Uh-huh. I'm sure "kill shot" means Superman just stood there and took their attacks without any damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. I'm sure "kill shot" means Superman just stood there and took their attacks without any damage.

What are you arguing? That BL Superman can tank Sinestro and Larfleeze's attacks with no damage? That's simply false. Even Allen Scott was able to take on BL Superman of Earth 2, for a time.

Lol, Larfleeze and Sinestro could have killed BL Superman, according to themselves, supported by the statement of Hal Jordan. All that would really take, however, is overloading his BL ring with emotional energy.

Not sure how this matters in regards to Thanos vs the BLC though.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What are you arguing? That BL Superman can tank Sinestro and Larfleeze's attacks with no damage? That's simply false. Even Allen Scott was able to take on BL Superman of Earth 2, for a time.

Lol, Larfleeze and Sinestro could have killed BL Superman, according to themselves, supported by the statement of Hal Jordan. All that would really take, however, is overloading his BL ring with emotional energy.

Not sure how this matters in regards to Thanos vs the BLC though.
Alan Scott did not take on Kal L. Kal wrecked him in two hits.

Sinestro and Larfleeze stated that they wanted to kill Superman, not that they were capable of the same.

Hal would've just created white light with Sinestro and Larfleeze, it got nothing to do with power.

It was just to show how powerful BL were.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alan Scott did not take on Kal L. Kal wrecked him in two hits.

Sinestro and Larfleeze stated that they wanted to kill Superman, not that they were capable of the same.

Hal would've just created white light with Sinestro and Larfleeze, it got nothing to do with power.

It was just to show how powerful BL were.

This argument is literally pointless. How does the power of a BL even matter, if Thanos can control them with the soul gem?

Which he can, as long as the BL is still alive/not a resurrected corpse.

It's not a corpse though.

It's a construct by the BL ring, given memories and designedto elicit the maximum emotional response from it's targets.

Hence the Flying Graysons etc. But they are NOT the actual Graysons. Just constructs.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not a corpse though.

It's a construct by the BL ring, given memories and designedto elicit the maximum emotional response from it's targets.

Hence the Flying Graysons etc. But they are NOT the actual Graysons. Just constructs.

1. That doesn't matter to the argument at hand.

2. They are still made from the corpses of the BLR wielders.

thanos would release the still alive 'black lanterns. I forget who all came back but the team that wasn't really dead dead was pretty strong iirc. I'd go with thanos

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. That doesn't matter to the argument at hand.

2. They are still made from the corpses of the BLR wielders.

Doubtful. The Graysons have been dead for decades. They were just buried in common graves....There's no way their corpses are still that intact.

Moreover, we see BLs rebuilding their bodies after getting shot off etc.