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seems hulk is as popular on kmc as ever and "some" think he has the ability to deal with the more versatile characters around comics. so, let's try and look at things differently here--if you feel monica wins, cool, but the goal here is to see if you can make a logical case for HULK in this one. any takers?

By "some", you mean one?

Hulk absorbs her.

She gets absorbed.

Originally posted by leonidas
seems hulk is as popular on kmc as ever and "some" think he has the ability to deal with the more versatile characters around comics. so, let's try and look at things differently here--if you feel monica wins, cool, but the goal here is to see if you can make a logical case for HULK in this one. any takers?

What are the stips? Are they in an enclosed area, face to face, what?

anyone who thinks hulk has a chance here is a dunce. she the gamma out of hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What are the stips? Are they in an enclosed area, face to face, what?

say a typical city setting, standard start distance.

monica has been absorbed before. i'm sure they've been shown a couple times, but does anyone have the scans of hulk absorbing ambient energy? would the scans extend to sentient energy, like monica? i'm thinking of someone like x-ray--a far less powerful character like monica--who has done some real harm to hulk in the past....

Does she even have tp absorb him? Couldn't she just shunt the radiation away from him or overload him with more than he can handle

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Does she even have tp absorb him? Couldn't she just shunt the radiation away from him or overload him with more than he can handle

Is that even possible. Hulk just absorbed enough energy to kill millions. Absorbed nukes and absorbed Red Hulk and an amped Sasquash. Do you honestly think her weak powerlevels can overload the most powerful being on the planet? You're crazy. He absorbs her.

Originally posted by leonidas
say a typical city setting, standard start distance.

monica has been absorbed before. i'm sure they've been shown a couple times, but does anyone have the scans of hulk absorbing ambient energy? would the scans extend to sentient energy, like monica? i'm thinking of someone like x-ray--a far less powerful character like monica--who has done some real harm to hulk in the past....

He absorbed cosmic energy here..

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111113173/3609525-06-20-10+01+21.jpg

that's not the same but where is that from?

Originally posted by leonidas
that's not the same but where is that from?

Incredible Hulk #610

It's not the same but it shows he doesnt just absorb gamma energy.

This is who they sent to fight the Hulk just in case Banner tranformed...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038244/Screenshot_20190113-152138.jpg.html

And they were still skeptical on if they could beat him. Also, Doc Strange was there as well, INCLUDING Monica. This is her flying back from the area after Hawkeye killed Banner.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038245/Screenshot_20190113-152106.jpg.html

If she had the ability to solo Hulk, they just would've brought her. They brought the Inhumans, Xmen, and Avengers just in case Hulk transformed. Hulk stomps this and any Herald that tries to approach him.

where do you get the idea that the cathexis energy was cosmic...? that energy created other gamma powered beings and was designed to drain hulk originally. seems very gamma-based to me... you have something that shows it is NOT gamma-based?

Originally posted by leonidas
where do you get the idea that the cathexis energy was cosmic...? that energy created other gamma powered beings and was designed to drain hulk originally. seems very gamma-based to me... you have something that shows it is NOT gamma-based?

The Leader modded Samson's cathexis ray, and added cosmic energy to it. Bruce then assembled the brain trust to mod the cathexis ray to suck it all back.

https://i.postimg.cc/N5BcxsDV/RCO009-1469430057.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
where do you get the idea that the cathexis energy was cosmic...? that energy created other gamma powered beings and was designed to drain hulk originally. seems very gamma-based to me... you have something that shows it is NOT gamma-based?

It was "cosmic" energy mixed with gamma energy. Hulk was able to absorb both with no issue. The issue clearly tells us it was cosmic energy.

Originally posted by carver9
This is who they sent to fight the Hulk just in case Banner tranformed...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038244/Screenshot_20190113-152138.jpg.html

And they were still skeptical on if they could beat him. Also, Doc Strange was there as well, INCLUDING Monica. This is her flying back from the area after Hawkeye killed Banner.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038245/Screenshot_20190113-152106.jpg.html

If she had the ability to solo Hulk, they just would've brought her. They brought the Inhumans, Xmen, and Avengers just in case Hulk transformed. Hulk stomps this and any Herald that tries to approach him.

Note that Strange is HUGELY weakened at this point....Thanks to the Empirikuul, ALL magic in Marvel has been destroyed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Note that Strange is HUGELY weakened at this point....Thanks to the Empirikuul, ALL magic in Marvel has been destroyed.

He was weakened but he was also able to take on the Avengers at his state as well. Weakened yes, but still operating ar insane levels.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Leader modded Samson's cathexis ray, and added cosmic energy to it. Bruce then assembled the brain trust to mod the cathexis ray to suck it all back.

https://i.postimg.cc/N5BcxsDV/RCO009-1469430057.jpg



still not seeing how he forcibly absorbs her though. that feat wasn't the same thing as absorbing her. and like i said, we've seen x-ray of the u-foes cause hulk all kinds of issues.

Originally posted by carver9
He was weakened but he was also able to take on the Avengers at his state as well. Weakened yes, but still operating ar insane levels.

Erm...no.

Magic is gone:
https://i.postimg.cc/hJzvqDHs/RCO022-1484069177.jpg

Strange is reduced to finding scraps here and there:
https://i.postimg.cc/f3GLW4sN/RCO095-1484069177.jpg

And even then, they're crappy scraps:
https://i.postimg.cc/Pvh5ZmNV/RCO097-1484069177.jpg
.................
https://i.postimg.cc/bD1vs6Y2/RCO100-1484069177.jpg

He's a far, FAR cry from his previous levels.

Originally posted by leonidas


still not seeing how he forcibly absorbs her though. that feat wasn't the same thing as absorbing her. and like i said, we've seen x-ray of the u-foes cause hulk all kinds of issues.

He's drained Rulk:

https://i.postimg.cc/68hg5CN5/RCO009.jpg

Mind you, Monica can output solar energy, so....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm...no.

Magic is gone:
https://i.postimg.cc/hJzvqDHs/RCO022-1484069177.jpg

Strange is reduced to finding scraps here and there:
https://i.postimg.cc/f3GLW4sN/RCO095-1484069177.jpg

And even then, they're crappy scraps:
https://i.postimg.cc/Pvh5ZmNV/RCO097-1484069177.jpg
.................
https://i.postimg.cc/bD1vs6Y2/RCO100-1484069177.jpg

He's a far, FAR cry from his previous levels.

Dont think you read my post. I admitted he was weakened but I said he was still extremely powerful... to the point where he was capable of fighting the Avengers solo.

Originally posted by carver9
Sony think you read my post. I admitted he was weakened but I said he was still extremely powerful... to the point where he was capable of fighting the Avengers solo.

My point is, it's complete PIS that he can fight the Avengers solo, based on his entire run where it's shown time and time again that he is weakened to the point that being able to see in the dark and float for 30 seconds is a major victory for him.

Originally posted by leonidas


still not seeing how he forcibly absorbs her though. that feat wasn't the same thing as absorbing her. and like i said, we've seen x-ray of the u-foes cause hulk all kinds of issues.

How is she beating him? Share your thoughts.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point is, it's complete PIS that he can fight the Avengers solo, based on his entire run where it's shown time and time again that he is weakened to the point that being able to see in the dark and float for 30 seconds is a major victory for him.

What about stopping time on an entire planet before it exploded (World Breaker Hulk) while putting him and Banner in astral form (removing banner clean from Hulks body). Let's not look directly at his lows. Looking at everything as a whole, he is a monster.

Originally posted by carver9
What about stopping time on an entire planet before it exploded (World Breaker Hulk) while putting him and Banner in astral form (removing banner clean from Hulks body). Let's not look directly at his lows. Looking at everything as a whole, he is a monster.

................

my timeline was messed up.

Where is Strange in your scans, btw?

Monica has already phased through Hulk once before, so there is evidence she could render herself immune to his physical attacks. She actually would have reverted him back to Banner here, but extenuating circumstances stopped that.
https://postimg.cc/gwYBq9pd
https://postimg.cc/kVfYTjMS

She's also jumped inside She-Hulk as gamma energy, although she did it to power Jennifer up.

https://postimg.cc/LY5Cwzhb
https://postimg.cc/9r7Sct13

Originally posted by carver9

If she had the ability to solo Hulk, they just would've brought her.
Not necessarily true. Comics often ignore easy routes to victory for the "sake" of story. I put that in quotes because a good writer shouldn't have to rely on a character just standing in the background to avoid addressing the obvious ace-in-the-hole. If you're going to make a team lose, there should be a plausible reason why it happened. That's part of what made Uncanny X-Force(under Remender) so great. Wolverine and Deadpool never had their healing factors neutered. Fantomex and Psylocke didn't stand around like idiots when a misdirect or tp assault would work. AoA Kurt would port your face off. Whenever they got countered, it was always a very plausible reason, like Dark Beast's tech.

None of their defeats ever ended with you going "Wait, why didn't so-and-so try doing this? Why did they just stand around?" You could feel their desperation because they were trying their hardest and failing, believably.

i'm not sure she CAN beat him 100%, but i was more interested in HIM beating her. she should be able to drain off huge amounts of his energy, energy she could use to amp herself and i know she would be immune to nearly anything he could do. not to mention light speed.... i suppose she could hit him with planet-destroying force as well. turning into an uber laser and burning through his eyes and brain may be enough to get her a forum win too, or trying what she tried against thanos.

she would need to be a bit exotic or go 100% all out, but she has options here. all he has is a 'maybe' he could actively absorb her? thought there would be more for him. the absorption seems unlikely to me based on his old enemy x-ray never having had that done to him in any of their several meetings. x-ray was also able to command a type of energy in one meeting that totally turned him back to banner. i guess this could be a stalemate, but i'm leaning towards monica for a majority still. people need to be more creative.

In all fairness, Monica is a very hard character to argue against anyway. Every little tactic from a physical being or energy blasts has a counter from her showings.



Also, Hulk just punches her. Clean out.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure she CAN beat him 100%, but i was more interested in HIM beating her. she should be able to drain off huge amounts of his energy, energy she could use to amp herself and i know she would be immune to nearly anything he could do. not to mention light speed.... i suppose she could hit him with planet-destroying force as well. turning into an uber laser and burning through his eyes and brain may be enough to get her a forum win too, or trying what she tried against thanos.

she would need to be a bit exotic or go 100% all out, but she has options here. all he has is a 'maybe' he could actively absorb her? thought there would be more for him. the absorption seems unlikely to me based on his old enemy x-ray never having had that done to him in any of their several meetings. x-ray was also able to command a type of energy in one meeting that totally turned him back to banner. i guess this could be a stalemate, but i'm leaning towards monica for a majority still. people need to be more creative.

Immortal Hulk is also weak to UV rads, so.....I think she can beat him 100%, lol.

But Hulk can grab energy, as seen with Sentry:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111113173/3558401-aa-wwh05-020.jpg

So he could grab Monica as she flies past, and punch her to death. Or t-clap?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
................

my timeline was messed up.

Where is Strange in your scans, btw?

5th panel...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038418/Screenshot_20190113-164820.jpg.html

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure she CAN beat him 100%, but i was more interested in HIM beating her. she should be able to drain off huge amounts of his energy, energy she could use to amp herself and i know she would be immune to nearly anything he could do. not to mention light speed.... i suppose she could hit him with planet-destroying force as well. turning into an uber laser and burning through his eyes and brain may be enough to get her a forum win too, or trying what she tried against thanos.

she would need to be a bit exotic or go 100% all out, but she has options here. all he has is a 'maybe' he could actively absorb her? thought there would be more for him. the absorption seems unlikely to me based on his old enemy x-ray never having had that done to him in any of their several meetings. x-ray was also able to command a type of energy in one meeting that totally turned him back to banner. i guess this could be a stalemate, but i'm leaning towards monica for a majority still. people need to be more creative.

He will heal past everything you said. Hulk was active while his body was in pieces as if it was nothing and reformed as soon as he felt the diar to do it. Rogue tried absorbing Hulk and it did nothing. An amped Creel tried it as well. Hulk was still fighting. I doubt these options are the deciding factor for her to win. We know Hulk can absorb energy now. I feel confident she gets absorbed here.

Originally posted by carver9
5th panel...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40038418/Screenshot_20190113-164820.jpg.html



Tbf, though, your argument is like me saying Invisible Woman is > Avengers (including Worthy Thor):

https://i.postimg.cc/HjFsm1ps/RCO007-1469054406.jpg

Just because they showed up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Tbf, though, your argument is like me saying Invisible Woman is > Avengers (including Worthy Thor):

https://i.postimg.cc/HjFsm1ps/RCO007-1469054406.jpg

Just because they showed up.

Nope, it's completely different...

Originally posted by carver9
http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/27914418_Civil_War_II_2016-_002-018.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/27914424_Civil_War_II_2016-_002-019.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/27914430_Civil_War_II_2016-_002-020.jpg

They even admit after this that they cant stop the Hulk.

Except they didn't believe it. And weren't there to stop him:
https://i.postimg.cc/N2D41kGd/RCO014-1468417324.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except they didn't believe it. And weren't there to stop him:
https://i.postimg.cc/N2D41kGd/RCO014-1468417324.jpg

Lol... that says nothing about them not believing Hulk would've killed them or not. They clearly came there to stop him and 50/50 had different opinions about the kids vision. They gathered the team just in case Hulk did go berserk killing everyone. All I'm saying is, their mindset is completely different when they came for Hulk vs Sue. They approached Hulk in the thought of being ready to fight for their lives.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... that says nothing about them not believing Hulk would've killed them or not. They clearly came there to stop him and 50/50 had different opinions about the kids vision. They gathered the team just in case Hulk did go berserk killing everyone. All I'm saying is, their mindset is completely different when they came for Hulk vs Sue. They approached Hulk in the thought of being ready to fight for their lives.

'You're ready to put me away? To put me down?'

'No..we need proof....fair is fair'.

They were there to give their friend Bruce a way out. To prove his innocence.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'You're ready to put me away? To put me down?'

'No..we need proof....fair is fair'.

They were there to give their friend Bruce a way out. To prove his innocence.

BRUCE a way out. They brought a stacked team just in case he Hulked out. I'm sure if he would've turned to Hulk when she said those words, the verbiage between then would've been completely different. Do you think she would've set there talking? She didnt bring the team for Banner, she brought it for Hulk.

Yeah DS is stretching it way too much here. Carver do not let up on this one.

The point of the vision and then gathering that many people was clearly that Hulk was obviously strong enough for that vision to be a reality.

Lol.

That hardly means Monica can't take Hulk out on her lonesome, though.

If Darwin couldn't adapt to beat Hulk, I give Monica no real chance whatsoever.

Hulk has a lot of Hax defense feats over the years, and Monica's power feats are nowhere remotely close to what Hulk has no sold in the past.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yeah DS is stretching it way too much here. Carver do not let up on this one.

The point of the vision and then gathering that many people was clearly that Hulk was obviously strong enough for that vision to be a reality. DS would argue the exact tone of green if Carver was saying Hulk was green though.

http://www.pagetutor.com/common/bgcolors1536.png

"You said he was more of a 33bb55, and now you think he looks more like a 33AA22? What is it Carver? If you can't keep your story straight, then how do you expect me to believe Hulk has ever knocked out Thor in a comic?"

Yeah, hopefully Carver knocks on DS' door one day and surprises him for all the years of online abuse.

I guarantee DS won't be going "CARVER. HELLO!" while the 9th incarnation of the Carverinator punches his soul out.

I've defeated 8 Carvers, what makes you think I fear the 9th?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9d494528243a17b01c239436d843f8b7/tenor.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

That hardly means Monica can't take Hulk out on her lonesome, though.

Like I've said before, if Monica was capable of beating Hulk on her own, they would've brought just her. They wouldn't have brought the Avengers, Xmen, Inhuman, shield along with a gang of other super powered beings if one person was capable of taking out the Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said before, if Monica was capable of beating Hulk on her own, they would've brought just her.


But by that logic, doesn't that also mean every time the Hulk was part of a team, he was not strong enough alone to handle the threat?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
If Darwin couldn't adapt to beat Hulk, I give Monica no real chance whatsoever.

Hulk has a lot of Hax defense feats over the years, and Monica's power feats are nowhere remotely close to what Hulk has no sold in the past.
Who says Darwin couldn't? It was never tested: the easiest adaptation was to be somewhere else so that's what he did. But who knows what would've happened if "self-BFR" had been prevented somehow.

That's so nitpicky.

You know exactly what the story was trying to tell. Darwin couldn't do shit.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said before, if Monica was capable of beating Hulk on her own, they would've brought just her. They wouldn't have brought the Avengers, Xmen, Inhuman, shield along with a gang of other super powered beings if one person was capable of taking out the Hulk.

You mean like Hawkeye?

Clinton force >>> Gamma force

How does Hulk defeat Zzaxx? Seems quite relevant here.

Originally posted by Magnon
Who says Darwin couldn't? It was never tested: the easiest adaptation was to be somewhere else so that's what he did. But who knows what would've happened if "self-BFR" had been prevented somehow.

Darwin had zero problems adapting to Hela. Arguably a low trans.

With Hulk he tried to drain him of his gamma energy and that failed. Darwin wasn't even sure from the get go that this adaptation would work and then when it didn't his body concluded that the best way to fight the hulk was to not fight the hulk and be somewhere else.

The language is plain. No mental gymnastics needed.

Originally posted by Faceless808
But by that logic, doesn't that also mean every time the Hulk was part of a team, he was not strong enough alone to handle the threat?

Which threat?

Originally posted by Magnon
Who says Darwin couldn't? It was never tested: the easiest adaptation was to be somewhere else so that's what he did. But who knows what would've happened if "self-BFR" had been prevented somehow.

Lol... it was said in the comic that Darwin would have died if Hulk hit him again. He fled because his life was in danger. If he would've stayed, Hulk probably would've killed him by mistake.

"I feel his pain Kurt. He cant evolve fast enough. If he's hit like that again"...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111124216/3420699-darwin.png

Hulk was beating the evolution out of him. One more attack is all it took. This is beyond a beastly showing based off what Darwin has done. Look at the last panel. He was laid out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How does Hulk defeat Zzaxx? Seems quite relevant here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Why are you mentioning him when Hulk has grabbed him and tossed him around on multiple occasions (and yes, he is pure energy)? I guess you're saying he will grab Monica which will lead to him absorbing her like I've said on the first page.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You mean like Hawkeye?

What're you saying here?

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you mentioning him when Hulk has grabbed him and tossed him around on multiple occasions (and yes, he is pure energy)? I guess you're saying he will grab Monica which will lead to him absorbing her like I've said on the first page.

I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely asking. Being nice here, because you complained.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely asking. Being nice here, because you complained.

When did I complain? Also, dont change who you are. If you're a grump that goes on the internet bashing peeps to relieve stress, then dont hide it. Be you here. All members and personalities are welcomed.

Originally posted by carver9
When did I complain? Also, dont change who you are. If you're a grump that goes on the internet bashing peeps to relieve stress, then dont hide it. Be you here. All members and personalities are welcomed.

You were hurting pretty bad here:

Originally posted by carver9
Not arguing for anyone here because the majority of you are DC trolls that bash Thor, Hulk and Surfer. There's no convincing anyone here who Hulk would win against. Now I will post showings proving your claims wrong "when i feel like it". Dark already mentioned the showing I was talking about but debating Hulk beating ANYONE against outright DC tards is a waste.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, it isn't playing victim, you all are killing the forum and dont even know it.

Originally posted by carver9
You can call it that... I think it's weird. Maybe if this was done to someone else it would be impactful but I'm not amused.

I know your response. 'But what I typed was true though', or words to that effect.

So I am trying to actually engage in debate. Honest q. Zzaxx is ALSO an energy being like Monica, and is a big Hulk villain. Am surprised no one mentioned Hulk beating him, that's all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You were hurting pretty bad here:







I know your response. 'But what I typed was true though', or words to that effect.

So I am trying to actually engage in debate. Honest q. Zzaxx is ALSO an energy being like Monica, and is a big Hulk villain. Am surprised no one mentioned Hulk beating him, that's all.



I was not hurt there. I'm feeling some kind of way now though because it seems as if anytime I mention anything besides Hulk, I'm in my feelings. I've been angry one time on this site and that's when this certain individual went in each thread calling people out of their names, etc... Dark, you do nothing to me. You've been going yrs doing the same thing. I'm use to you...

Monica is more versatile than Zzzax.

Well, was clear as day that you weren't amused. Then opened a slew of threads trying to get reactions.

But by the by. You don't think Hulk can beat Monica the same way he beats Zzax? I thought he could.

Edit

No Saint.

In her energy form, is Monica susceptible to physical attacks?

Open q to all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In her energy form, is Monica susceptible to physical attacks?

Open q to all.

Not as far as I know.

Hulk did treat energy like a physical thing on occasion.

Hulk grabs energy... he even used energy to aid in him staying airborne.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk grabs energy... he even used energy to aid in him staying airborne.

I've already posted that on page 2.

so we are going with the idea that hulk can just....punch out her light form? so...can hulk punch and hold sunlight too?

Originally posted by leonidas
so we are going with the idea that hulk can just....punch out her light form? so...can hulk punch and hold sunlight too?

This is precisely why I brought Zzaxx up. Energy form, yet Hulk punches him out just fine.

Originally posted by leonidas
so we are going with the idea that hulk can just....punch out her light form? so...can hulk punch and hold sunlight too? Yes, because Monica obviously isn't moving at speeds for which Hulk is a statue, and she can't change her frequency instantly, and Hulk obviously has feats for grabbing every type of energy, and she'd go right into his open hand...

Oh, wait.

lol i brought up the speed thing only once. didn't seem entirely fair....

re: zzzax: zzzax is actually an energy entity encased in an em field. think something like mag's force field. iow the field is what is actually being punched by hulk. at least that's the way i've always interpreted it. the same can be said for a lot of energy being i'd think. monica is ACTUALLY a living hologram. if hulk CAN in fact hit her, he could in fact punch sunlight. not sure that's an argument i would make, but that does seem to be the best hulk can do in this battle. i dunno, maybe it's just a stalemate if you don't think she can ko him (not you ds, i'm speaking to people in general). /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How does Hulk defeat Zzaxx?
He doesn't. Of the 3 times I'm aware they've fought, Hulk was saved via tech.

1. Hawkeye, commenting that Hulk's attacks aren't doing anything, saves Hulk via tech arrow.
2. A helicopter pilot saves Hulk via improvised tech which disrupts Zzzax.
3. Banner had enough control over Hulk to use environmental tech to BFR Zzzax into space.

Zzzax was slapping Red Hulk around too.
https://postimg.cc/fVN9FCFH
https://postimg.cc/5H9F90fL
https://postimg.cc/sQvQSNQ2
https://postimg.cc/NyN2Kc0V
https://postimg.cc/hz6J01T1

Zzzax is obscure, but he is as legit as they come. He doesn't care about phsyical damage and can amp off available electricity mid-fight. He's a terrible matchup for most bricks. He's ran into Luke Cage, Cable, Iron Man, She-Hulk and the Avengers too. Same deal. They win with exotic attacks/tech. You aren't just punching him out. There's a reason when Lyra fought those women with the powers of Hulk's 3 greatest foes, one of them had Zzzax's powers.

Zzzax showings are evidence in favor of Monica tbh. Sure, Hulk can punch Zzzax, but it accomplishes nothing. Zzzax always seems like he will win before tech is introduced, and he physically bounces Hulk around like a ping pong ball sometimes.

Zzzax would already beat Hulk. Monica is like Zzzax, except she isn't limited to electricity, moves at light speed, and she's already shown she can phase through Hulk. She's also much more intelligent.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He doesn't. Of the 3 times I'm aware they've fought, Hulk was saved via tech.

1. Hawkeye, commenting that Hulk's attacks aren't doing anything, saves Hulk via tech arrow.
2. A helicopter pilot saves Hulk via improvised tech which disrupts Zzzax.
3. Banner had enough control over Hulk to use environmental tech to BFR Zzzax into space.

Zzzax was slapping Red Hulk around too.
https://postimg.cc/fVN9FCFH
https://postimg.cc/5H9F90fL
https://postimg.cc/sQvQSNQ2
https://postimg.cc/NyN2Kc0V
https://postimg.cc/hz6J01T1

Zzzax is obscure, but he is as legit as they come. He doesn't care about phsyical damage and can amp off available electricity mid-fight. He's a terrible matchup for most bricks. He's ran into Luke Cage, Cable, Iron Man, She-Hulk and the Avengers too. Same deal. They win with exotic attacks/tech. You aren't just punching him out. There's a reason when Lyra fought those women with the powers of Hulk's 3 greatest foes, one of them had Zzzax's powers.

Zzzax showings are evidence in favor of Monica tbh. Sure, Hulk can punch Zzzax, but it accomplishes nothing. Zzzax always seems like he will win before tech is introduced, and he physically bounces Hulk around like a ping pong ball sometimes.

Zzzax would already beat Hulk. Monica is like Zzzax, except she isn't limited to electricity, moves at light speed, and she's already shown she can phase through Hulk. She's also much more intelligent.

Hulk has received so many upgrades after his last fight against zzz, it makes your comment obsolete. He JUST received 2 upgrades. Hulk literally stood in one spot while living lightning poured everything he had at Hulk without Hulk even moving an inch (living lightning has dazed Gladiator). Current Hulk>>>>>>>Classic Hulk.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Zzzax is obscure, but he is as legit as they come.

True dat.

Even in TAS, he only got beaten when Hulk tackled him into the water...

Originally posted by leonidas
lol i brought up the speed thing only once. didn't seem entirely fair....

re: zzzax: zzzax is actually an energy entity encased in an em field. think something like mag's force field. iow the field is what is actually being punched by hulk. at least that's the way i've always interpreted it. the same can be said for a lot of energy being i'd think. monica is ACTUALLY a living hologram. if hulk CAN in fact hit her, he could in fact punch sunlight. not sure that's an argument i would make, but that does seem to be the best hulk can do in this battle. i dunno, maybe it's just a stalemate if you don't think she can ko him (not you ds, i'm speaking to people in general). /shrug
Zzzax usually needs to feed and taken completely by rage when he appears. Might interfere with his ability to think.

This isn't Hulk obviously, but we saw Axon, a girl with Zzzax's powers, make herself totally intangible when Aberration, a girl with Abomination's powers, tried to hit her.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y4kQG7wf/Axon.jpg

I can't use it as evidence here, but I see Monica basically doing the same thing tbh.

Originally posted by StyleTime
He doesn't. Of the 3 times I'm aware they've fought, Hulk was saved via tech.

1. Hawkeye, commenting that Hulk's attacks aren't doing anything, saves Hulk via tech arrow.
2. A helicopter pilot saves Hulk via improvised tech which disrupts Zzzax.
3. Banner had enough control over Hulk to use environmental tech to BFR Zzzax into space.

Zzzax was slapping Red Hulk around too.
https://postimg.cc/fVN9FCFH
https://postimg.cc/5H9F90fL
https://postimg.cc/sQvQSNQ2
https://postimg.cc/NyN2Kc0V
https://postimg.cc/hz6J01T1

Zzzax is obscure, but he is as legit as they come. He doesn't care about phsyical damage and can amp off available electricity mid-fight. He's a terrible matchup for most bricks. He's ran into Luke Cage, Cable, Iron Man, She-Hulk and the Avengers too. Same deal. They win with exotic attacks/tech. You aren't just punching him out. There's a reason when Lyra fought those women with the powers of Hulk's 3 greatest foes, one of them had Zzzax's powers.

Zzzax showings are evidence in favor of Monica tbh. Sure, Hulk can punch Zzzax, but it accomplishes nothing. Zzzax always seems like he will win before tech is introduced, and he physically bounces Hulk around like a ping pong ball sometimes.

Zzzax would already beat Hulk. Monica is like Zzzax, except she isn't limited to electricity, moves at light speed, and she's already shown she can phase through Hulk. She's also much more intelligent.

I guess that settles that, then. If comic writers, even during the Silver Age, have been unable to write a story since the 1970s where the Hulk straight beats one of his oldest foes, I doubt we can.

Whilst Carver brings up the point of Hulk having received upgrades, Monica is ALSO Zzaxx, but vastly upgraded. So I don't think there's a way he can win here.

so what do you think is her best bet for taking hulk out?

She needs to take out Hulk's power source.

carver9

Hulk absorbs her.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess that settles that, then. If comic writers, even during the Silver Age, have been unable to write a story since the 1970s where the Hulk straight beats one of his oldest foes, I doubt we can.

Whilst Carver brings up the point of Hulk having received upgrades, Monica is ALSO Zzaxx, but vastly upgraded. So I don't think there's a way he can win here. In all fairness, Hulk never beat Bicurious-Beast in a real battle either until Pak foddered him.

Therefore, Hulk punches out sunlight energy

Originally posted by leonidas


so what do you think is her best bet for taking hulk out?

Current? Solar rads should do it. It's a huge weakness.

Barring that, it's actually really difficult to beat him. I can see him just powering through her non solar attacks, tbh.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
In all fairness, Hulk never beat Bicurious-Beast in a real battle either until Pak foddered him.

Therefore, Hulk punches out sunlight energy

Yeah, Bi-Beast had a great track record against Classic Carvulk

He just was no match for the Pak Equation.

Abomination had a good record against Hulk as well. Well, he did better back then vs what he has recently done. Hulk treated him like a kid in their latest fight. Outright stomp. Thor use to do a lot better as well. At this point, Thor needs a team to fight Hulk. Ironman had some good run-ins with the Hulk. He's ineffective against Hulk now. The list is long. Let's not forget Hercules. His last encounter with Hulk, he hurt his hand punching him and Hulk flexed him and Thor off of him.

None of those guys create solar rads though.

Well, apart from Tony with Helios. And we saw what happened.

Monica shoots him through the eye. There's really no way a one dimensional brick like Hulk (Who isn't even that impressive. He's no Damage.) can win.

He heals another eye

Then Monica repeats. She can operate at light speeds.....Hulk cannot.

Repetitive approach that serves no purpose. Remember, the got was chopped up into pieces with all of his parts being functional. Two different tiers of power here.

Originally posted by carver9
Repetitive approach that serves no purpose. Remember, the got was chopped up into pieces with all of his parts being functional. Two different tiers of power here.

So when Deadpool fights Hulk, and Hulk tears him over and over, we say it's a stalemate even though DP cannot harm Hulk?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when Deadpool fights Hulk, and Hulk tears him over and over, we say it's a stalemate even though DP cannot harm Hulk?

Bad example since Hulk has killed Deadpool.

Served no purpose

Battle of attrition then, if noone has a certable way to be the other?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
When did this happen
Recent issues of Immortal Hulk 9-10.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk was beating the evolution out of him. Alright. That was funny

Originally posted by carver9
Abomination had a good record against Hulk as well.

Not really, no.

Bi-Beast hasn't actually lost to Hulk, that's what made him uber.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Recent issues of Immortal Hulk 9-10.


Hmmm....thats not what happened though

What happened?

Then Creel drains it back as Hulk is still drained.

Was that Red Hulk he met?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was that Red Hulk he met?



Carv never ceases to amaze us.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then Creel drains it back as Hulk is still drained.
Post the scan. You must’ve read a different Immortal Hulk #10 to the one that was published.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was that Red Hulk he met?

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Post the scan. You must’ve read a different Immortal Hulk #10 to the one that was published.
Sure.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8YD8jQUSnKI/XAevxDc7G_I/AAAAAAAABe0/myilR0EzlZsnA6pe6n5zoo5tm21_SEWSgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

"Gamma, got all he can from me"

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I cant explain every single comic. U guys gotta grow up someday

https://tinyurl.com/y8w57ypj

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8YD8jQUSnKI/XAevxDc7G_I/AAAAAAAABe0/myilR0EzlZsnA6pe6n5zoo5tm21_SEWSgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

"Gamma, got all he can from me"

Abhi with the save.

WTF... abhi, that doesnt go against what Sorrow said.

You didn't type "abhi" in caps?

Who are you and why are you using carver's account?

i was going to read immortal hulk to find out just how much of what carv has been saying was true, but didn't because i was afraid of what i'd see.

why am i not surprised? he isn't draining monica--at least not before she does it to him then kills him before he can somehow (still not sure how) return the favor. ridiculous.

Here he is draining energy BACK from an amped Creel. READ THE BOOK and stop believing in abhi of all people...

https://cdn.comicsverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HULK2018010_int_LR-_7.jpg

Its freaking sad.

Have you considered taking a break from KMC, carvster?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Have you considered taking a break from KMC, carvster?

I need it. Good suggestion Stilt. I'll see you all in 2 to 3 weeks.

Originally posted by carver9
I need it. Good suggestion Stilt. I'll see you all in 2 to 3 weeks. https://i.imgur.com/gmGBqbw.gif

and it was also GAMMA energy. still failing to see how he drains monica if she is in light form....

Yeah, no mention of draining any other type of energy.

So which version do Hulk fans use?

I see current Hulk being used. Who has a massive weakness to solar rads (proof he OBVIOUSLY can't just absorb any and all energy).

Previous Hulks could probably do it. But that's not being argued here.

And previous Hulks nearly died when radioactive Abomination came a calling.....

What types of energies has Hulk absorbed?

Cosmic, when Reed/Beast/Pym etc rejigged the cathexis Ray machine to draw power from the Hulked out heroes (it was mixed with gamma).

Gamma.

That's off the top of my head.

The only thing of note in recent memory is..
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u2pS3GjUukM/Vl_ZWfAyDaI/AAAAAAATenA/Y9pXSo1nPgQ/s1600/89_18.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_4Rjb5xZWNc/Vl_ZWk9JSdI/AAAAAAATem4/A3YEXD96HqA/s1600/89_19.jpg

Am I misreading the scans because it looked to me that at the end of the scene in i think IH11 that Banner and Hulk were separated. If so even if Creel drained "all he could" Hulk wouldn't revert because back to Banner since there was no Banner to revert to...i could be wrong though

Has somebody mentioned that Hulk has grabbed energy and energy beings before? Also maybe he can generate gamma rays to such extent that it could overload her

Yes, they have. Hulk's ability to grab energy is less important than the energy elemental's ability to ignore physical damage, as shown by Zzzax. Sure, Hulk can throw Zzzax into a building, but it doesnt matter. Zzzax has no body to damage or muscles to fatigue.

With Monica, she's even more versatile, intelligent, already can phase through him, and also moves at lightspeed...

Hulk can't grab her unless she feels lonely and gives him a long hug.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yes, they have. Hulk's ability to grab energy is less important than the energy elemental's ability to ignore physical damage, as shown by Zzzax. Sure, Hulk can throw Zzzax into a building, but it doesnt matter. Zzzax has no body to damage or muscles to fatigue.

With Monica, she's even more versatile, intelligent, already can phase through him, and also moves at lightspeed...

Hulk can't grab her unless she feels lonely and gives him a long hug.

I dunno if he can hold it he can hurt it, right? Plus if Hulk goes WB that's gonna be too much energy

Is this still going on? How has it not ended in "Not happening" on the first page.

This thread is like the Democratic party's inability to accept they lost to Trump *HAYOOOOOOOOH!"

Here's what I hear every time I read this thread topic: "How can Hulk win, after he's already been defeated? How can cdtm be sober, after he's drunk?"

It's just not logically feasible.

Originally posted by Deadline
Has somebody mentioned that Hulk has grabbed energy and energy beings before? Also maybe he can generate gamma rays to such extent that it could overload her

Page 2.

I even provided scans.

I mean yeah, he COULD grab her and punch her out.

But then, so could any street.

I find it interesting though that when Monica is put up against other characters (and they're usually DC) the answer is that she speedblitzes them.

Here, it's Hulk who would outreact her.