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All Feats Allowed...no outside Amps...WHO IS THE MORE POWERFUL TP/TK user?

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been done several times. at standard levels i'd take nate in tp power, and since jonn doesn't have tk....

all feats in, i guess you could count the fernus feats for jonn and as fernus jonn has feats nate can't match. nate has never taken down a group like the league, collectively.

close to a split at normal levels i think, but i'd take fernus over shaman-level nate.

Originally posted by leonidas
been done several times. at standard levels i'd take nate in tp power, and since jonn doesn't have tk....

all feats in, i guess you could count the fernus feats for jonn and as fernus jonn has feats nate can't match. nate has never taken down a group like the league, collectively.

close to a split at normal levels i think, but i'd take fernus over shaman-level nate.

Manhunter ain't existing as pure energy and can recreate his corporeal no form

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Exodus...another psionic that's stronger than Manhunter...gets bodied by Nate

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Here's a simple one. Manhunter communicating with tech using telepathy.
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and IIRC Nate's Raw psionic ability vs Cable explained as equivalent to the raw Phoenix force

Fernus Jonn has feats Nate can't match?
XD
Like fusing the minds of one person across the entire multiverse?

Currently Nate is no longer holds the Life Seed, and is activley mind wiped the entire cast of X-Men in Age of Nate along with fabricating faux memories for all the non X-men mutants.

Fairly massive to feat.

Originally posted by "Id"
Currently Nate is no longer holds the Life Seed, and is activley mind wiped the entire cast of X-Men in Age of Nate along with fabricating faux memories for all the non X-men mutants.

Fairly massive to feat.

isn't he the strongest tp right now due to an upgrade?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
isn't he the strongest tp right now due to an upgrade? You made the thread and took away outside amps

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You made the thread and took away outside amps

it was a general question lol, i wasn't sure

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
isn't he the strongest tp right now due to an upgrade?
This should clear up some things.

The timeline of events are as happened.

His powers came back and are killing him. - His powers came back without any external help. Or at least non that we know of.

The Life Seed seeks him out for reasons unknown. It amps up his powers, but it does not cure him of the genetic time bomb.

The battle with Legion and X-Men take place.

In the aftermath of the that fight, X-Men & Legion go "poof".

Nate on the beach next to the Life Seed. On the shore the life seed is washed away, and Nate disappears. Nate is longer in possession of the Life Seed, he lost his amp.

Key point: Currently The X-Men live along a world populated mutants in Age of X. This world's history is being sustained by Nate with some serious mental kung fu going. I want to point out that the feat is legit since for the conditions of this match, since Nate is the reason for this mind wipe and memory fabrications due to it being accomplished with no external amps.

Originally posted by "Id"
This should clear up some things.

The timeline of events are as happened.

His powers came back and are killing him. - His powers came back without any external help. Or at least non that we know of.

The Life Seed seeks him out for reasons unknown. It amps up his powers, but it does not cure him of the genetic time bomb.

The battle with Legion and X-Men take place.

In the aftermath of the that fight, X-Men & Legion go "poof".

Nate on the beach next to the Life Seed. On the shore the life seed is washed away, and Nate disappears. Nate is longer in possession of the Life Seed, he lost his amp.

Key point: Currently The X-Men live along a world populated mutants in Age of X. This world's history is being sustained by Nate with some serious mental kung fu going. I want to point out that the feat is legit since for the conditions of this match, since Nate is the reason for this mind wipe and memory fabrications due to it being accomplished with no external amps.

I see, thanks for the clarification!

any reasons as to how Nate would dethrone J'onn in TP based on comparision feats IYO

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I see, thanks for the clarification!

any reasons as to how Nate would dethrone J'onn in TP based on comparision feats IYO

Depends on what kind of telepathic battle takes place. Points can be made for either if its a traditional tp battle.

However Nate has a distinctive advantage of being able to drain those of their mental energies if a mind link is established.

\yeah. IIRC an aembodiment of the ALE was afraid to face J'onn, Libra absorbs half of the powers he chooses but that's just high ends

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Fernus Jonn has feats Nate can't match?
XD
Like fusing the minds of one person across the entire multiverse?



i know nate a lot better than you do. and if you think he can't be beaten, or ko'd because he has been shown to be an energy being, wellll....you need to learn a lot more about nate.

as id said, if this is a traditional psi battle, cases can be made for each, though, as i said--in psi power nate is better imo. but jonn is a lot more than just psi powers.

and the ease with which jonn dealt with the league>any nate feat. even as himself, he's easily mindwiped the league a couple times. and given superman's resistance feats alone that is very impressive. but by all means, if you think nate can match jonn's feats vs the league, feel free to show nate beating down someone of superman's level, let alone the rest of the league. i'll wait.

i have no intention of talking about some of nate's less-than-multiversal-feats (a cool feat, that doesn't really translate well to battles--and jonn has at least one somewhat comparable feat anyway, of scanning alternate realities to find flash...) but he has a bunch of them. and jonn has used tp to interact with computers, and artificial life many times. he's also interacted with plants, animals and aliens from all over the universe.

lipservice regarding the limits of nate's power is of course meaningless when it's feats we're talking about. though you seem to open a lot of threads that you feel are stomps in marvel's favor, and get irritated when people disagree. you're like the anti-golgo/prep/cage.

if you take off the bias-goggles, this is pretty close in most areas.

Originally posted by leonidas


i know nate a lot better than you do. and if you think he can't be beaten, or ko'd because he has been shown to be an energy being, wellll....you need to learn a lot more about nate.

as id said, if this is a traditional psi battle, cases can be made for each, though, as i said--in psi power nate is better imo. but jonn is a lot more than just psi powers.

and the ease with which jonn dealt with the league>any nate feat. even as himself, he's easily mindwiped the league a couple times. and given superman's resistance feats alone that is very impressive. but by all means, if you think nate can match jonn's feats vs the league, feel free to show nate beating down someone of superman's level, let alone the rest of the league. i'll wait.

i have no intention of talking about some of nate's less-than-multiversal-feats (a cool feat, that doesn't really translate well to battles--and jonn has at least one somewhat comparable feat anyway, of scanning alternate realities to find flash...) but he has a bunch of them. and jonn has used tp to interact with computers, and artificial life many times. he's also interacted with plants, animals and aliens from all over the universe.

lipservice regarding the limits of nate's power is of course meaningless when it's feats we're talking about. though you seem to open a lot of threads that you feel are stomps in marvel's favor, and get irritated when people disagree. you're like the anti-golgo/prep/cage.

if you take off the bias-goggles, this is pretty close in most areas.

plants huh. That's not bad. Nate actually hacked the computer with it. So they are both really tecnopathic as well

yes, if the 2 went feat-for-feat in tp, it would be pretty interesting tbh. i know id mentioned that nate can drain psi energy, but doing it to some no name is different from trying that against one of the best tp's in comics. hard to say how that would work out. if he COULD drain jonn, he should be able to ko him. he may be able to go more exotic. you'll hear about his ability to stop time, but tbh, not sure that is something he could do in the middle of a battle, so not sure just how applicable that would be.

like i said this is close. i think i would favor nate for a small majority in a standard battle. if we allow for fernus, i'm less sure how it would turn out.

Nate stomps

Nate wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
been done several times.

Closing.