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Tyrant

This was Darkseid ala '94. Back in those days he was written at an especially high level... A level he wouldn't be written at again until the DCnU came about.

I think he wins, tbh. /shrug

90s Darkseid was crazy. I've always loved this feat.

(M)Aggog one-shots Orion:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843494_JMzbFMj.jpg

Casually beats him again:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843495_RiJEEis.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843496_osBwU09.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843497_5py7Xgp.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843498_PFMElg7.jpg

Casually one shots Lightray with a single slap:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843499_YYEuutf.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843500_zQ39wRG.jpg

But Darkseid?

He doesn't just beat him - he easily disintegrates him in a single strike.

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/40843501_KfZeLPB.jpg

That's just ridiculous.

Jesus Christ that hair.

He was surpassing mainstream Supes entire output with a single blast of OBs :
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843532_GQwcitl.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843533_cidT350.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843534_12rRfqs.jpg

One shotting Cyborg Superman:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843535_FGtLkhI.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843536_ylpikfc.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843537_Rzb7uIL.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t/40843538_lu1rGSB.jpg

No-selling Lobo then easily disintegrating him, etc. And that's just a taste. Not even getting into his raw power, versatility etc. Disintegrating people was just a tuesday for him.

Tyrant was trans tier and peer to Galan

Darkseid was a peer to Superman

you tell me whos stronger

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Tyrant was trans tier and peer to Galan

Darkseid was a peer to Superman

you tell me whos stronger

How could a Trans tier be a peer to Galactus? Tyrant faced off against Thanos, and Thanos was a low Sky Father, so again how could Tyrant be a Trans when Thanos needed to use an Orb of Power to compete with him? Galactus while hungry could defeat a Sky Father, and yet he nearly died when he faced Tyrant, and he had just fed prior to the conflict. Simple answer, Tyrant was well above the Sky Father tier.

Tyrant also wins this.

Originally posted by Phil
90s Darkseid was crazy. I've always loved this feat. Great stuff.

That's also back when even the likes of Infinity Man was treated as absolute fodder to Darkseid:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40843638_P00016.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/40843639_P00017.jpg

Darkseid wipes Tyrant out of existence. Easily.

Also this darkseid been stated was in the same class with time trapper Who created a fully realized universe(Though I still don't understand why writer use pocket universe this term to describ it.From my understanding,this universe should be the same size with a whole universe)
https://i.imgur.com/FuMXiV6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5gmjrEg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n1aLbop.png

Tyrant is in Galactus tier something way higher than darksied

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also this darkseid been stated was in the same class with time trapper Who created a fully realized universe(Though I still don't understand why writer use pocket universe this term to describ it.From my understanding,this universe should be the same size with a whole universe)
https://i.imgur.com/FuMXiV6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5gmjrEg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n1aLbop.png

Yeah so I shudder to think what that says about Doomsday, and Superman, even though it took far less to defeat them in the past. Hype, all hype.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Tyrant was trans tier and peer to Galan

Darkseid was a peer to Superman

you tell me whos stronger

Darkseid, clearly.

And no, Tyrant was not equal to Galactus in raw power. Stop lying.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah so I shudder to think what that says about Doomsday, and Superman, even though it took far less to defeat them in the past. Hype, all hype. Whether you liked it or not,It still written in the comics.I personally think believing comics was far accurate than someone(not writer,obviously) said on internet


Also beside it,Doomsday and Superman also have showed many times ridiculous feats.DD already easily defeated Waverider in H/P


Superman stalemate with Time trapper in legion of three worlds,and even in byrne era,Superman also is the most powerful hero on earth according Superman panic in the sky story arc.
And superman been owned by this era Darkseid in the cosmic odyssey(in the same story,GL withstanding a supernova which annihilated entire star system),Again,I must emphasizing superman is the most powerful hero on earth(Also superman already breaking Johns shielding with one punch and sent him to unconsciousness in superman sacrifice)


And superman along with infinity man was been holded by darkseid omega beam in his own issues(which been posted by Galan)

Originally posted by Stoic
How could a Trans tier be a peer to Galactus? Tyrant faced off against Thanos, and Thanos was a low Sky Father, so again how could Tyrant be a Trans when Thanos needed to use an Orb of Power to compete with him? Galactus while hungry could defeat a Sky Father, and yet he nearly died when he faced Tyrant, and he had just fed prior to the conflict. Simple answer, Tyrant was well above the Sky Father tier.

Tyrant also wins this.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Whether you liked it or not,It still written in the comics.I personally think believing comics was far accurate than someone(not writer,obviously) said on internet


Also beside it,Doomsday and Superman also have showed many times ridiculous feats.DD already easily defeated Waverider in H/P


Superman stalemate with Time trapper in legion of three worlds,and even in byrne era,Superman also is the most powerful hero on earth according Superman panic in the sky story arc.
And superman been owned by this era Darkseid in the cosmic odyssey(in the same story,GL withstanding a supernova which annihilated entire star system),Again,I must emphasizing superman is the most powerful hero on earth(Also superman already breaking Johns shielding with one punch and sent him to unconsciousness in superman sacrifice)


And superman along with infinity man was been holded by darkseid omega beam in his own issues(which been posted by Galan)

When did you see them destroy a universe let alone a flipping solar system? Like I said, hype. The fact that you brought it up without realizing this is something that you should ponder.

Originally posted by panthergod
Darkseid, clearly.

And no, Tyrant was not equal to Galactus in raw power. Stop lying.

You're right, he was greater than Galactus. Read his entire story and you would know this. Tyrant was actually more powerful in his smaller form, than he was when Galactus first defeated him. He took eons to face Galactus after his first defeat, and during that time he gathered a multitude of power orbs that made him far superior to what he had been before his first defeat at the hands of Galactus. If you knew his entire history, it states in plain English that Galactus created Tyrant to be his equal. But by all means continue onward in blissful ignorance.

Tyrant was in no way shape or form superior to Galactus in raw power. PERIOD. He couldn't even put down Thanos. What he had was technology specifically suited to absorb Power Cosmic energy. But nice job demonstrating Herald worshipers cannot comprehend children's stories.

Originally posted by Stoic
When did you see them destroy a universe let alone a flipping solar system? Like I said, hype. The fact that you brought it up without realizing this is something that you should ponder.
Like Darkseid himself was immune to retcon so his pre-crisis feats should count?
When darkseid easily absorbed mordru and owned pre-crisis superboy(That Superboy if not considering later retcon after IC,he was the one who always side with the legion,and he already managed moving his own universe which created by Time trapper) and supergirl in The Great Darkness Saga(this version darkseid was depowered)

Superman destroys John shielding happened in comic,and Johns shielding himself from a star system happened in comic.

Darkseid and Time trapper been stated in the same class was written in black and white in this comic
And Like I said before,This written on comics,I just more believing what comics written rather than just listening other people said on internet(whom obviously not writers)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like Darkseid himself was immune to retcon so his pre-crisis feats should count?
When darkseid easily absorbed mordru and owned pre-crisis superboy(That Superboy if not considering later retcon after IC,he was the one who always side with the legion,and he already managed moving his own universe which created by Time trapper) and supergirl in The Great Darkness Saga(this version darkseid was depowered)

Superman destroys John shielding happened in comic,and Johns shielding himself from a star system happened in comic.

Darkseid and Time trapper been stated in the same class was written in black and white in this comic
And Like I said before,This written on comics,I just more believing what comics written rather than just listening other people said on internet(whom obviously not writers)

We know that pre crisis power levels are no longer canon, and have not been canon since the 80's.

This is Hunter Prey Darkseid. This is not Final Crisis Darkseid. You have to stick with the OP posting. Even if your point is relevant, Darkseid has a notorious history of using clones to represent him.

For all we know, Tyrant may be immune to the OE, as he was Galactus' opposite thus becoming a universal essential. Let's stick to what we do know, because making claims like Darkseid would erase Tyrant are baseless.

John, and Superman, and the shields are irrelevant.

Despite Tyrant being pegged a Trans tier, through simple logic we know that this can't be true since Thanos without an Orb of Power was no match for him based on the story, and Thanos at that point in time was low Sky Father level, being able to wage war with Odin a high Sky Father well before his loss of power that you see today.

Originally posted by Stoic
We know that pre crisis power levels are no longer canon, and have not been canon since the 80's.

This is Hunter Prey Darkseid. This is not Final Crisis Darkseid. You have to stick with the OP posting. Even if your point is relevant, Darkseid has a notorious history of using clones to represent him.

For all we know, Tyrant may be immune to the OE, as he was Galactus' opposite thus becoming a universal essential. Let's stick to what we do know, because making claims like Darkseid would erase Tyrant are baseless.

John, and Superman, and the shields are irrelevant.

Despite Tyrant being pegged a Trans tier, through simple logic we know that this can't be true since Thanos without an Orb of Power was no match for him based on the story, and Thanos at that point in time was low Sky Father level, being able to wage war with Odin a high Sky Father well before his loss of power that you see today. Your half points actually is irrelevant to me,Since I'm not familar with marvel,So I never talking about it(Like I never said Darkseid would erase Tyrant.And I never said Thanos throughout my posts in this thread.......Actually,I even doubt this was my first tiime said "Thanos" in kmc.......

And Now I'm confusing what H/P Darkseid means?It mean All event before H/P,Or around H/P time/era(And if so,what exactly time should considering,1990-2000?)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Your half points actually is irrelevant to me,Since I'm not familar with marvel,So I never talking about it(Like I never said Darkseid would erase Tyrant.And I never said Thanos throughout my posts in this thread.......Actually,I even doubt this was my first tiime said "Thanos" in kmc.......

And Now I'm confusing what H/P Darkseid means?It mean All event before H/P,Or around H/P time/era(And if so,what exactly time should considering,1990-2000?)

No, it means that we are arguing the Darkseid that was used during the Hunt Prey event. Just a suggestion, but perhaps you should read Tyrant's appearances before arguing against him, because you're coming across as being extremely biased, which actually makes your stance on the subject irrelevant tbh.

You can't ignore the Opening Poster's (OP for short) intent.

Originally posted by Stoic
No, it means that we are arguing the Darkseid that was used during the Hunt Prey event. Just a suggestion, but perhaps you should read Tyrant's appearances before arguing against him, because you're coming across as being extremely biased, which actually makes your stance on the subject irrelevant tbh.

You can't ignore the Opening Poster's (OP for short) intent. But I'm not biased to Tyrant,I just liked Darkseid,So I posting his highlight moments.Like I said before I only familar with DC,So I only could talking about DC part.And when talking about marvel parts,I won't have any comment.
And most important,Even if I want talking about just DC,other forums already dead.....only versus forum have new threads/posts
And according you said only could using H/P event scans.But Galan or phil also not all used H/P event scans.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Your half points actually is irrelevant to me,Since I'm not familar with marvel,So I never talking about it(Like I never said Darkseid would erase Tyrant.And I never said Thanos throughout my posts in this thread.......Actually,I even doubt this was my first tiime said "Thanos" in kmc.......

And Now I'm confusing what H/P Darkseid means?It mean All event before H/P,Or around H/P time/era(And if so,what exactly time should considering,1990-2000?) I'm guessing English is not your first language. You aren't a bad poster, but please learn to punctuate properly if you are going to write long posts.

Originally posted by Stoic
We know that pre crisis power levels are no longer canon, and have not been canon since the 80's.


Incorrect. Even recent titles actually made pre-crisis stories canon again. Ie. Superman rebirth

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I'm guessing English is not your first language. You aren't a bad poster, but please learn to punctuate properly if you are going to write long posts. Thanks for your advice.And yes,English isnt my first language,
Still trying to learn how to properly writing it.
I can understanding and reading English.But always not good at writing...........

Originally posted by Stoic
We know that pre crisis power levels are no longer canon, and have not been canon since the 80's.


The New Gods are not affected by retcon due to them being outside of orrery of worlds

Pre Crisis power levels is what I said. Those power levels are no longer canon. Bike chain towing planets, super ventriloquism, etc.

But the New God's were unaffected by it. There was no balancing of powers.

I know one thing, Darkseid OB are vastly more powerful than HP Superman's might, more than millions of times more.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Thanks for your advice.And yes,English isnt my first language,
Still trying to learn how to properly writing it.
I can understanding and reading English.But always not good at writing........... First tip after a punctuation mark like a comma or full stop, leave a space. The same is true for colons and semi-colons. It makes everything better. Also for a run on, only use three full stops... Does that make sense? This is my Rosetta stone post to you! And, this is not meant to be a put down or in any way condescending, props for posting in a second language. I talk Arabic well, but I could not post on a forum in it.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
First tip after a punctuation mark like a comma or full stop, leave a space. The same is true for colons and semi-colons. It makes everything better. Also for a run on, only use three full stops... Does that make sense? This is my Rosetta stone post to you! And, this is not meant to be a put down or in any way condescending, props for posting in a second language. I talk Arabic well, but I could not post on a forum in it. Very helpful, Really Thanks

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But the New God's were unaffected by it. There was no balancing of powers.

Are you understanding what im saying? It's not something that's really up for discussion. They no longer do the Looney tunes power level thing , because it no longer fits with what they are aiming at. Meaning, they've become a bit more realistic with the way that they write fictional stories. We won't see Superman sneezing a solar system away. Come on man, you know this.

but New Gods were never ridiculous like pre-crisis kryptonians though, they were powerful but not cheesy.

Darkseid has always been powerful pre-crisis, it was not till late 90s and early 00s where he jobbed tremendously

but to say currently new gods do not operate on their pre-crisis level is also false, DCnU Darkseid is every bit as powerful as his pre-crisis self

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you understanding what im saying? It's not something that's really up for discussion. They no longer do the Looney tunes power level thing , because it no longer fits with what they are aiming at. Meaning, they've become a bit more realistic with the way that they write fictional stories. We won't see Superman sneezing a solar system away. Come on man, you know this.

And I don't think you get what I'm saying.

We don't get to arbitrarily assign versions to characters without rulings etc.

Originally posted by MrMind
but New Gods were never ridiculous like pre-crisis kryptonians though, they were powerful but not cheesy.

Darkseid has always been powerful pre-crisis, it was not till late 90s and early 00s where he jobbed tremendously

but to say currently new gods do not operate on their pre-crisis level is also false, DCnU Darkseid is every bit as powerful as his pre-crisis self

Okay. You and anyone else need to return to the post that I began with DC not using Pre-Crisis power levels any longer to understand fully why it was brought up, because who has the time to argue in circles. We all know that those levels of power no longer exist, not to mention how when they were used in one instance, they were undone in the next. For example, Superman having the power to accidentally sneeze away a solar system but then has trouble with Shaggy Man who was nowhere near those levels of power. DC has calmed down a whole lot these days, and so even if they tapped on a Pre Crisis event, we will never see the ridiculous levels of power that we saw back then, like Superboy towing an entire solar system out of harms way using a bike chain. Please go back and read why I brought this up, because it really isn't worth discussing.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like Darkseid himself was immune to retcon so his pre-crisis feats should count?
When darkseid easily absorbed mordru and owned pre-crisis superboy(That Superboy if not considering later retcon after IC,he was the one who always side with the legion,and he already managed moving his own universe which created by Time trapper) and supergirl in The Great Darkness Saga(this version darkseid was depowered)

Superman destroys John shielding happened in comic,and Johns shielding himself from a star system happened in comic.

Darkseid and Time trapper been stated in the same class was written in black and white in this comic
And Like I said before,This written on comics,I just more believing what comics written rather than just listening other people said on internet(whom obviously not writers)

There were a few dummy moments thrown in from that era. None escaped that period without being smeared with goofy shit.

Originally posted by Stoic
Pre Crisis power levels is what I said. Those power levels are no longer canon. Bike chain towing planets, super ventriloquism, etc.


... why are you lying?

Originally posted by Stoic
Okay. You and anyone else need to return to the post that I began with DC not using Pre-Crisis power levels any longer to understand fully why it was brought up, because who has the time to argue in circles. We all know that those levels of power no longer exist, not to mention how when they were used in one instance, they were undone in the next. For example, Superman having the power to accidentally sneeze away a solar system but then has trouble with Shaggy Man who was nowhere near those levels of power. DC has calmed down a whole lot these days, and so even if they tapped on a Pre Crisis event, we will never see the ridiculous levels of power that we saw back then, like Superboy towing an entire solar system out of harms way using a bike chain. Please go back and read why I brought this up, because it really isn't worth discussing.

you're just repeating the same thing over without understanding what we are saying

Originally posted by Stoic
Pre Crisis power levels is what I said. Those power levels are no longer canon. Bike chain towing planets, super ventriloquism, etc. Seriously, Even you considering later post-crisis, Byrne era Superboy(TT pocket universe version)was intended is the one who always along with The Legion (I.E,as powerful as pre-crisis Superboy) Who been owned by Darkseid even when he depowered(Specifically said by Darkseid himself)
The Great Darkness Saga been mentioned many times in post-crisis, And that pocket universe Superboy(I.E,pre-crisis superboy)always referring as the one who fight Darkseid,Even in the End Of An Era story arc

and, BTW, Superman has all his Superboy feats again. Period.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Very helpful, Really Thanks Glad to help mate.