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Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
Mangog SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!!!!

😆

Originally posted by carver9
Mangog

Originally posted by carver9
Mangog

Superman

Superman easily

Superman dies again and again and again and again.

Superman>sun>mangog>asgard

Mangog>Damage>Frankenstein>Tractor>Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman easily Superman died fighting Doomsday. Mangog will eat DD for breakfast. Superman can speed blitz Mangog all day. It will do nothing. The only way Superman survive is by running away.

Originally posted by heru
Superman died fighting Doomsday. Mangog will eat DD for breakfast. Superman can speed blitz Mangog all day. It will do nothing. The only way Superman survive is by running away.

This is current Superman and not the much weaker version that fought DOS DD.

Superman is astronomically stronger than Mangog. Do you agree? If not then we can have a feat war (I'll just post one feat).

Superman's HV is many times hotter than the sun. How did Mangog fare against the Sun?

I hear what your saying and I'm not saying Supes have not had a upgrade, but Mangog alone is a all of Asgard threat, hell he's a Odin level villian. Superman is not a skyfather. Superman is not even a Odin threat. Thor alone will give Supes a run a for his money, and Odin will destroy Superman with ease. Interms of strength, and durability Superman is not beating this dude. It would take the strongest version of Supes to beat Odin or Mango, and it still would be a toss up.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is current Superman and not the much weaker version that fought DOS DD.

Superman is astronomically stronger than Mangog. Do you agree? If not then we can have a feat war (I'll just post one feat).

Superman's HV is many times hotter than the sun. How did Mangog fare against the Sun?
Mango has also walked through a sun shredder with no visible damage... Weapon powerful enuff to rip a star core apart. He's also no sold other high end energy attacks. I dont think hv is a definite winner.

Mangog wins convincingly.

Originally posted by heru
It would take the strongest version of Supes to beat Odin or Mango, and it still would be a toss up.

Bro, it's obvious you don't know anything about Superman. I would warn you against joining the gang, they're honestly not a very good back up in arguments and/or trolling.

Supes dies real easy here

Originally posted by Adam Grimes


Bro, it's obvious you don't know anything about Superman. I would warn you against joining the gang, they're honestly not a very good back up in arguments and/or trolling. Dude Superman is one of my favorite characters, but a loss is just that. Just because I'm a fan of Supes doesn't mean I should pick him in a fight when the odds are stacked against him.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes


Bro, it's obvious you don't know anything about Superman. I would warn you against joining the gang, they're honestly not a very good back up in arguments and/or trolling.

Lol... so your gang is a good crew to follow? Let's be real here

I don't know what gang are you referring to tbh 🤔

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mango has also walked through a sun shredder with no visible damage... Weapon powerful enuff to rip a star core apart. He's also no sold other high end energy attacks. I dont think hv is a definite winner.

Then why did the Sun kill him?

Originally posted by heru
I hear what your saying and I'm not saying Supes have not had a upgrade, but Mangog alone is a all of Asgard threat, hell he's a Odin level villian. Superman is not a skyfather. Superman is not even a Odin threat. Thor alone will give Supes a run a for his money, and Odin will destroy Superman with ease. Interms of strength, and durability Superman is not beating this dude. It would take the strongest version of Supes to beat Odin or Mango, and it still would be a toss up.

Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).


No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).

I can prove that your stance isn't sound.
Basically you are saying that there is no amount of strength Superman can have that would make him beat Mangog. That implies Mangog can withstand infinite force. If you disagree then you have to agree that there is a certain quantifiable strength that can put Mangog down.
If that's so, then how much strength do you think? Able to lift a planet? 10 planets? A thousand planets? A million? A billion? What amount?

Originally posted by h1a8
Then why did the Sun kill him?

Because writers don't give a shit about power scaling and logic on battleboards, same reason why a tractor ran over superman

Originally posted by h1a8
Then why did the Sun kill him?

Where is he shown dead?

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).


No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).

When DID Superman operate above Skyfather level before?
Name me the comic

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).


No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).

What strength feat has Superman performed that Mangog has attempted and failed?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When DID Superman operate above Skyfather level before?
Name me the comic Define skyfather level?

Originally posted by heru
I hear what your saying and I'm not saying Supes have not had a upgrade, but Mangog alone is a all of Asgard threat, hell he's a Odin level villian. Superman is not a skyfather. Superman is not even a Odin threat. Thor alone will give Supes a run a for his money, and Odin will destroy Superman with ease. Interms of strength, and durability Superman is not beating this dude. It would take the strongest version of Supes to beat Odin or Mango, and it still would be a toss up.


Jane kicks Mangogs tail, and she couldn't even handle that jobber Gladiator.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Because writers don't give a shit about power scaling and logic on battleboards, same reason why a tractor ran over superman

What's wrong with a tractor running over something smaller?
I never seen the scene though. Please post it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Jane kicks Mangogs tail, and she couldn't even handle that jobber Gladiator.

She BFRs him.

Gladiator can't handle the same Destroyer Mangog years apart.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I don't know what gang are you referring to tbh 🤔

I can name the click if you want.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
She BFRs him.

Gladiator can't handle the same Destroyer Mangog years apart.


She injured him. There's no argument Superman >>>>> any standard Thor, he'd tear Mangog apart as easily as he'd rip Odinson and Jane in half.

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).


No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).

I can prove that your stance isn't sound.
Basically you are saying that there is no amount of strength Superman can have that would make him beat Mangog. That implies Mangog can withstand infinite force. If you disagree then you have to agree that there is a certain quantifiable strength that can put Mangog down.
If that's so, then how much strength do you think? Able to lift a planet? 10 planets? A thousand planets? A million? A billion? What amount? If where talking about standard vs standard Supes looses the majority. I said in order for Superman to stand a chance he would have to be at his strongest and even that would be debatable, fighting Mangog or Odin. Mangog strength is unlimited and fued by a billion billion souls of hatred, and Odin can magically enhanced his as well as speed. So once again Superman would have to be at his strongest level to at least stand a chance. Anything less he will loose almost all the time. What he relies on in most battles to win is his superiority. In this fight basic vs basic he's not the superior one.

Originally posted by carver9
I can name the click if you want. Sure

Originally posted by cdtm
She injured him. There's no argument Superman >>>>> any standard Thor, he'd tear Mangog apart as easily as he'd rip Odinson and Jane in half.

You can't feat share that feat to Superman though, different writers have different interpretations on characters power levels

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You can't feat share that feat to Superman though, different writers have different interpretations on characters power levels

Why not? You feat share on Doomaday well enough ignoring his long list of trans and Skyfather level bodies because Superman killed him.


The Radiant, a Guardian, and Darkseid among them.

Originally posted by cdtm
She injured him. There's no argument Superman >>>>> any standard Thor, he'd tear Mangog apart as easily as he'd rip Odinson and Jane in half.

Mighto injures Supes much worse.

Mangog destroys Supes.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then why did the Sun kill him?
Comics.
Also Jane had to resort to a plot device chain to keep him from jumping out of the sun again.

If we only go by what ure saying then Supes can easily be ko'd by sonics. Or more recently one can say he cant beat Mongul.. Etc..

Soooo the midgard serpent feat from Thor means nothing?

that feat has been debunked
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t657638.html

also, as a wise man once said
Originally posted by MrMind
Superman>sun>mangog>asgard

Originally posted by MrMind
that feat has been debunked
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t657638.html

also, as a wise man once said

That has not been debunked. I went through each point he made and all I see is him posting scans and adding his own imagination to each one.

I looked at the thread.


I'm convinced by his arguments.

You share his bias. I'll be breaking that post down in the near future.

Originally posted by cdtm
I looked at the thread.


I'm convinced by his arguments.




Of course you do

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That has not been debunked. I went through each point he made and all I see is him posting scans and adding his own imagination to each one.

wait are you Horrificus? I didn't see you in that thread

I swear dc fans can't stand with us in debating its to the point philo left the forum completely. its fiction so it doesnt matter but its still funny how peeps desperately want dc to be superior and fail everytime xD

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters operate at different levels at different times. That's why abc logic is faulty.
Odin has operated at or below high Herald before. Galactus has operated below trans before. Superman has operated above skyfather before.
Thor koed Mangog before with one blow to the stomach.
Mangog got killed by the Sun.
You want to use Mangog at his most powerful? Fine. We do the same thing for Superman. How powerful was Odin when Mangog operated? I remember an arc where Odin and Asgardians were portrayed as weak as humans (dying from falling several feet off bridges and horses, Thor being koed by falling off Mangogs back, etc).


No one on Asgard, not even Odin at his best, is even close to Superman in physical strength and speed. If you disagree then again I can post strength feats proving it. When Mangog fought Thor all those times, Mangog was only a few times stronger than Thor at the most (I have proof).

I can prove that your stance isn't sound.
Basically you are saying that there is no amount of strength Superman can have that would make him beat Mangog. That implies Mangog can withstand infinite force. If you disagree then you have to agree that there is a certain quantifiable strength that can put Mangog down.
If that's so, then how much strength do you think? Able to lift a planet? 10 planets? A thousand planets? A million? A billion? What amount?

Writers don't believe Superman operates at "skyfather" level you do, he recently went all out and blitzed eradicator with a series of punches and didnt do ANY notable damage to him (Superman #3 to Superman #4)

https://i.postimg.cc/qzPQj9pJ/7361557-superman-3-eradicator-amped-by-kryptonian-life-forces-vs-superman.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I swear dc fans can't stand with us in debating its to the point philo left the forum completely. its fiction so it doesnt matter but its still funny how peeps desperately want dc to be superior and fail everytime xD

In that thread, was Philo saying that if Thor crosses the void from Asgard to Earth, he will be a super giant?

didn't look at that thread. If I have interest in the near future I'll make a 4 page essay debunking that nonsense

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Writers don't believe Superman operates at "skyfather" level you do, he recently went all out and blitzed eradicator with a series of punches and didnt do ANY notable damage to him (Superman #3 to Superman #4)

https://i.postimg.cc/qzPQj9pJ/7361557-superman-3-eradicator-amped-by-kryptonian-life-forces-vs-superman.jpg

You ignored the entire post.
FYI, skyfather level (whatever that means) has nothing to do with anything.
We compare strength, durability, versatility, speed, etc when debating.
Odin, a skyfather, is physically weaker and slower than Superman. Superman is physically stronger and faster than Mangog.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Writers don't believe Superman operates at "skyfather" level you do, he recently went all out and blitzed eradicator with a series of punches and didnt do ANY notable damage to him (Superman #3 to Superman #4)

https://i.postimg.cc/qzPQj9pJ/7361557-superman-3-eradicator-amped-by-kryptonian-life-forces-vs-superman.jpg

Superman almost never hits someone at close to full strength.

And yet he beat Darkseid's face so badly his eyes swelled shut.


The same Darkseid who was an even opponent for Anti Monitor.

The same Darkseid who Lobo hurt his fists punching. You know, the Lobo who tanked Despero's best punches, and routinely makes mince meat of high heralds.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
In that thread, was Philo saying that if Thor crosses the void from Asgard to Earth, he will be a super giant? How are you going to debunk Phil when you don't even understand what he posted.

I keep waiting for Hulkster's debunk, but I have a feeling it will never come

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Writers don't believe Superman operates at "skyfather" level you do, he recently went all out and blitzed eradicator with a series of punches and didnt do ANY notable damage to him (Superman #3 to Superman #4)

https://i.postimg.cc/qzPQj9pJ/7361557-superman-3-eradicator-amped-by-kryptonian-life-forces-vs-superman.jpg

His series of blitz-punches only did a little damage to Doomsday, too.

Clark is a pussy, let's face it.

Superman wins 10/10. Mangog has no answer to his speed nor his heat vision.

Originally posted by heru
If where talking about standard vs standard Supes looses the majority. I said in order for Superman to stand a chance he would have to be at his strongest and even that would be debatable, fighting Mangog or Odin. Mangog strength is unlimited and fued by a billion billion souls of hatred, and Odin can magically enhanced his as well as speed. So once again Superman would have to be at his strongest level to at least stand a chance. Anything less he will loose almost all the time. What he relies on in most battles to win is his superiority. In this fight basic vs basic he's not the superior one. You are not a good debate or. You basically ignored everything I said. I proved that Superman wins. You did not provide a rebuttal. Mangog doesn't have infinite strength. If he did then anything he touches would be disintegrated. We use feats to determine strength. Otherwise you are trolling.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman almost never hits someone at close to full strength.

And yet he beat Darkseid's face so badly his eyes swelled shut.


The same Darkseid who was an even opponent for Anti Monitor.

The same Darkseid who Lobo hurt his fists punching. You know, the Lobo who tanked Despero's best punches, and routinely makes mince meat of high heralds.

Oh the same darkseid that power girl made bleed, and aquaman trident hurt? Scaling never works

Originally posted by h1a8
You ignored the entire post.
FYI, skyfather level (whatever that means) has nothing to do with anything.
We compare strength, durability, versatility, speed, etc when debating.
Odin, a skyfather, is physically weaker and slower than Superman. Superman is physically stronger and faster than Mangog.

space cheese is fine and all, but comparative fights, Supes doesn't casually manhandle heralds like Mangog on a consistent basis. It takes the whole asgard to put mangog down. He struggles with FAR less, let me know if you want me to the pull scans out. Eradicator was just one example

Originally posted by h1a8
You ignored the entire post.
FYI, skyfather level (whatever that means) has nothing to do with anything.
We compare strength, durability, versatility, speed, etc when debating.
Odin, a skyfather, is physically weaker and slower than Superman. Superman is physically stronger and faster than Mangog. Odin can also enhance all of the above with the powers he possess, which is why he can hang with beings like Mangog, celestials, Sutur, and other beings that are heavier hitters than Superman. Sure Superman is fast, but speed isn't the deciding factor in a fight. If that was the case no speedster should ever loose a battle. That being say Mangog has the experience in fighting, the durability to take what ever Supes can bring to the table, the longivity to not tire, the strength to dish out a serious beat down, and Supes hatred for him, will only make him stronger during the battle. Superman would have to be on UV steroids to even stand a chance.

Speedsters being tagged by slower opponents are PIS.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speedsters being tagged by slower opponents are PIS.

Their entire careers consist of such showings

Question about supermans HV. Is it a beam of concentrated sunlight? uv rays? I remember reading an old comic where it was described as pyrokinesis and he simply heats the air but since he's solar powered I always though it was concentrated solar energy.

I always thought it was just heat.

I remember wondering about it in an Immortal Hulk/Superman thread, back when Hulk was still susceptible to UV.

Is this the same Mangog that chewed through the Destroyer armor?

Is this the same Destroyer armour that was powered by a sickly Freya?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I always thought it was just heat.

I remember wondering about it in an Immortal Hulk/Superman thread, back when Hulk was still susceptible to UV.

Didnt hulk get over the whole sunlight thing

He did. That's why I said "back when". He's now past it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
space cheese is fine and all, but comparative fights, Supes doesn't casually manhandle heralds like Mangog on a consistent basis. It takes the whole asgard to put mangog down. He struggles with FAR less, let me know if you want me to the pull scans out. Eradicator was just one example

Without space cheese feats then we would have no basis for comparing characters across companies.

Why is Thor a herald level character? Why is Odin a skyfather level character? Is it because of their space cheese feats? Or them fighting beings that have space cheese feats? Either way, space cheese feats is the basis of any comparison.

There's also zero (ZERO) difference between them. There is no such thing as a cheese feat - anyone who says so is trolling. A feat is a feat.

'Cheese' feats are also what give meaning to combat feats. 'A' beating 'B' is impressive because 'B' did 'X'.

Without that, all fights in comics would be guys beating the crap out of each other without a discernible way of gauging their power. That holds even more truth if you consider that most heroes don't go around punching baddies through planets and etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without space cheese feats then we would have no basis for comparing characters across companies.

Why is Thor a herald level character? Why is Odin a skyfather level character? Is it because of their space cheese feats? Or them fighting beings that have space cheese feats? Either way, space cheese feats is the basis of any comparison.

Why is Doomsday a trans tier character? Why is Thanos a trans tier character? What about Darkseid? Cheese fts isn't the end all be all of showings. If space cheese signify anything, Terrax would be much higher than he is now. Drax would be as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without space cheese feats then we would have no basis for comparing characters across companies.

Why is Thor a herald level character? Why is Odin a skyfather level character? Is it because of their space cheese feats? Or them fighting beings that have space cheese feats? Either way, space cheese feats is the basis of any comparison.

um it's simple. If you actually read comics, you have dozens or hundreds of instances from which to draw comparative context.

The same Drax that ripped a star with pure strength lost to Professor Hulk, let me know if that's the route we're going now so we can upgrade

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The same Drax that ripped a star with pure strength lost to Professor Hulk, let me know if that's the route we're going now so we can upgrade
Scans of the same Drax that ripped a star with pure strength losing to professor Hulk?

Drax that ripped apart a star was weaker than Drax who fought Prof Hulk. Pretty sure.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Drax that ripped apart a star was weaker than Drax who fought Prof Hulk. Pretty sure.

Well, it wasn't Dumb Drax.

But I'm not sure what Smart Drax's power level was.

Aren't both superior to Kratos Drax?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Drax that ripped apart a star was weaker than Drax who fought Prof Hulk. Pretty sure.
So not the same Drax. No feat sharing.

Originally posted by Magnon
So not the same Drax. No feat sharing.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
'Cheese' feats are also what give meaning to combat feats. 'A' beating 'B' is impressive because 'B' did 'X'.

Without that, all fights in comics would be guys beating the crap out of each other without a discernible way of gauging their power. That holds even more truth if you consider that most heroes don't go around punching baddies through planets and etc.

not at all. A beats B and B beats C so A must beat C is absolutely wrong. For example: Pyro has an advantage vs Venom. So if he does beat Venom is he now Spidey level or higher? Absolutely ****ing not. He just exploited a weakness. Those types of things make comparative feats trash.

comparative feat logic is almost always trash. Because it assumes everything else between the two is equal which is almost always not true

Originally posted by carver9
Why is Doomsday a trans tier character? Why is Thanos a trans tier character? What about Darkseid? Cheese fts isn't the end all be all of showings. If space cheese signify anything, Terrax would be much higher than he is now. Drax would be as well.

It's not, but its part of it. No one said its the end all be all of showings. NO ONE.

Feats have a place, but have to be used correctly.

combat fights and feats aren't more important than the other, It's dependent on the individual situation

The speed, and the power dynamics. It's simply tooooo hard to look past this combination. Superman should be a Mangog slayer on paper, if not for being hit repeatedly throughout his history by Mangog clones. Still, the stupidity of writers should never outweigh scientific facts. Mangog in any reality, besides the equalized Speed Verse, should never see Superman as anything other than a blue and red blur, as he is reduced in health over time.

In a comic book, Mangog would probably win though. Like it or not, if the slower opponent can not actively, or innately manipulate time, they will lose to the much faster opponent.

vote to move Thanos to low sky

Thanos was always low sky after his first resurrection. He eventually grew to mid, then high, and finally to TOAA.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Drax that ripped apart a star was weaker than Drax who fought Prof Hulk. Pretty sure.

Yep

Originally posted by Magnon
So not the same Drax. No feat sharing.

Same Drax. Professor Hulk stalemated Power Gem Drax. The strongest incarnation.

Casually debunked. Great job Hulkster

There's a reason why Philo always avoids us.

If anybody disagrees with what Hulkster, BY ALL MEANS enlighten us so i can debunk it back

mangog gets impregnated by superman and give birth to supermangog

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
not at all. A beats B and B beats C so A must beat C is absolutely wrong. For example: Pyro has an advantage vs Venom. So if he does beat Venom is he now Spidey level or higher? Absolutely ****ing not. He just exploited a weakness. Those types of things make comparative feats trash. Read my comment again, slowly this time.

And it's hilarious that your comment ended up speaking *against* combat showings instead lol.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Read my comment again, slowly this time.

And it's hilarious that your comment ended up speaking *against* combat showings instead lol.

alberto is a master of self ownage

And when I point it out, Carv gets mad and calls out my 'gang'.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Casually debunked. Great job Hulkster

There's a reason why Philo always avoids us.

If anybody disagrees with what Hulkster, BY ALL MEANS enlighten us so i can debunk it back

Thanks Alberto!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good post

Thanks Sin!

Can't quote Hulkster for some strange reason. Wonder if he have me blocked, lol. Amazing post. Love seeing people actually putting time into their posts. Its a rarity now and days.

Originally posted by carver9
Same Drax. Professor Hulk stalemated Power Gem Drax. The strongest incarnation.
Nope, not the same Drax. Dumb Drax and classic Drax the Destroyer are different.

Again: No feat sharing.

Edit: BTW, Alberto said Drax lost to prof. Hulk. You said stalemate. So you agree with me that Alberto was lying?

magnon>mangog

Yeah, thats my mistake, they did stalemate

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, thats my mistake, they did stalemate
Not the only mistake. In fact, everything you said in that post was wrong. (Now I feel like Luke Skywalker.)

Originally posted by Magnon
Nope, not the same Drax. Dumb Drax and classic Drax the Destroyer are different.

Again: No feat sharing.

Edit: BTW, Alberto said Drax lost to prof. Hulk. You said stalemate. So you agree with me that Alberto was lying?

They fought twice to my recollection. Is this the one that ripped the heart of a star?

https://m.imgur.com/a/4hv1XwW

Or is it this one (I know you see what I'm doing here)...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_VFasGX8JuY/WGksmy2ImOI/AAAAAAAAcCA/2061FcivNcktWc6zFPOytRCPaEsOd7WzACLcB/s1600/Avengers%2Bannual%2B16aw.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
um it's simple. If you actually read comics, you have dozens or hundreds of instances from which to draw comparative context. Other than feats, how do you determine who is a Herald level being, skyfather level, etc?

Originally posted by carver9
Why is Doomsday a trans tier character? Why is Thanos a trans tier character? What about Darkseid? Cheese fts isn't the end all be all of showings. If space cheese signify anything, Terrax would be much higher than he is now. Drax would be as well.

You didn't read what I posted. It's all about space cheese feats or people they beat who has the feats. In other words, the space cheese feats is always the first basis.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't read what I posted. It's all about space cheese feats or people they beat who has the feats. In other words, the space cheese feats is always the first basis.

Where did you get that space cheese is the first basis?

Originally posted by carver9
Where did you get that space cheese is the first basis? When comparing characters from different companies.

Otherwise answer the question.
How do you determine skyfather, etc level?
Give me a detailed example.

abhi just daddydicked them

Originally posted by abhilegend


What a bunch of clowns. Midgard Serpent is outright stated to be invisible and intangible in that instance where Thor fished him out and he was doing the upheaval on Earth magically.

https://i.ibb.co/Gn4PRMC/K2-CRG2-PZb-Mkd-SRHMd-YLQYCEt-CWVj-Fi-ATay-Cdx-G3k5-MFPmg-Ege-BAy-KZEk-Ja-UBa-F2-LWe-XBriveh-WKm-Drjf-W-Gy-FF65v-SAU8-Zv-ECwn-UE7r-TWb-XPy-Ls-Bd1s-Ermxm-P-v55-Jq-HOA9-Tlib86w-s1600.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/pZfYPnC/S3qa-FOEOev-Ap-Np-Oba-Vb-Iyqw-T8-8p-EMn-Tf-OSHZQwv-SUvq6-QZUVCFWp-Liap-PVx-Iy-UB5y-Qrqp-Ff-Sy9goc-Geg-Xw49-Ocr-Jr8-YYJrer-UEtt9-Xdymr-FW13051i-Aaht-Erp-Xzs-UVo7hl-ZYyw-s1600.jpg

Now "ethereal" means "otherworldly".



So handbooks now. Okay. Let's take a look at this part:

https://imgur.com/a/DGvh5vi

It says that the serpent is "invisible and intangible as far as HUMAN BEINGS are concerned." So how does this relate to the notion that Thor doesn't pull his full bulk against his grip on Earth and how does this relate to the notion that his size changes as he moves from here to there which is the main assertion being addressed?

hence why I didn't pay it no mind, it's ABHI.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, it wasn't Dumb Drax.

But I'm not sure what Smart Drax's power level was.

Aren't both superior to Kratos Drax?
Dumb Drax > Drax > Draxtos supposed to be strengthwise.. Narration and storywise too it was explicit, but comics r comics... And Classic Drax still has the best strength feat out of those three versions.
*shrug*

Originally posted by abhilegend


What a bunch of clowns. Midgard Serpent is outright stated to be invisible and intangible in that instance where Thor fished him out and he was doing the upheaval on Earth magically.


Now "ethereal" means "otherworldly".




Ethereal actually also means heavenly or otherworldly...

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So handbooks now. Okay. Let's take a look at this part:

https://imgur.com/a/DGvh5vi

It says that the serpent is "invisible and intangible as far as HUMAN BEINGS are concerned." So how does this relate to the notion that Thor doesn't pull his full bulk against his grip on Earth and how does this relate to the notion that his size changes as he moves from here to there which is the main assertion being addressed?
Dude, iits full bulk is not Earth sized or caused upheavals because of it being so big, it caused upheaval magically. Any idea about its weight is automatically discounted.

If you have any idea about its weight, might be good to post it now.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ethereal actually also means heavenly or otherworldly...
Not in this instance it doesn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dude, iits full bulk is not Earth sized or caused upheavals because of it being so big, it caused upheaval magically. Any idea about its weight is automatically discounted.

If you have any idea about its weight, might be good to post it now.

Who is even discussing the upheavals? We can reasonably judge his weight.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/1055692-thor1983327084yc.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
They fought twice to my recollection. Is this the one that ripped the heart of a star?
(snip)
Irrelevant. I was commenting this post by Alberto:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The same Drax that ripped a star with pure strength lost to Professor Hulk, let me know if that's the route we're going now so we can upgrade
Alberto's post was at least doubly wrong. First of all, it wasn't the same Drax -- Hulk fought dumb Drax. Secondly, Drax didn't lose to Hulk -- in fact, he defeated Hulk (since prof. Hulk yielded).

Professor Hulk yielded because they were causing too much collateral damage. He didn't yield because he felt defeated. Dumb Drax IS the strongest version.

Originally posted by carver9
Professor Hulk yielded because they were causing too much collateral damage. He didn't yield because he felt defeated. Dumb Drax IS the strongest version.
Perhaps, but if you yield you lose the fight. That's what yielding means.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So handbooks now. Okay. Let's take a look at this part:

https://imgur.com/a/DGvh5vi

It says that the serpent is "invisible and intangible as far as HUMAN BEINGS are concerned." So how does this relate to the notion that Thor doesn't pull his full bulk against his grip on Earth and how does this relate to the notion that his size changes as he moves from here to there which is the main assertion being addressed?

If hes not tangible and is ethereal, how can you know its weight?

It was magically crushing the Earth (not physically since it was intangible). Therefore, Thor overpowered the magical grip (at most) and just pulled the head hard enough to make the serpent choose to stop crushing the Earth (at the least).

Either way, it's not the feat some were making it out to be in the past.

Originally posted by Diesldude
If hes not tangible and is ethereal, how can you know its weight?

Note the part in all caps in my post you responded to.

It's a nice feat.

Same as Herc holding up the sky.

It's just not quantifiable, so it's not some trump card to be used on battleboards.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was magically crushing the Earth (not physically since it was intangible). Therefore, Thor overpowered the magical grip (at most) and just pulled the head hard enough to make the serpent choose to stop crushing the Earth (at the least).

Either way, it's not the feat some were making it out to be in the past.

Either way, it's an Earth crushing grip that is broken whether magical or not. And Thor still tows it's weight.

It's like Hercs all over again lmao

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a nice feat.

Same as Herc holding up the sky.

It's just not quantifiable, so it's not some trump card to be used on battleboards.

It's qualifiable.

It was implied it was a feat no mere giant would be capable of.

That's it.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who is even discussing the upheavals? We can reasonably judge his weight.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/1055692-thor1983327084yc.jpg
How? It's ethereal and intangible there, it had not been actually that big as already explained.

That scan is clear. This shouldn't even be debated any further.

I haven't even read the comic, and no, that scan isn't clear at all.

Fail to see how the serpent feat correlates to THIS battle. Totally irrelevant

Hulkster suddenly came in with this tangent lol.

Anyway, Superman takes him to the Sun to fight. It's not BFR as the battlefield is now the Sun.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulkster suddenly came in with this tangent lol.

Anyway, Superman takes him to the Sun to fight. It's not BFR as the battlefield is now the Sun.

Truth.

I like Mangog but i find it weird he couldn't put down Odin, Odinson and Jane...after the raping he gave War Thor it was extremely anticlimactic.

I really liked War Thor. It was a waste of a character imo. But then I always did like Volstagg.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I really liked War Thor. It was a waste of a character imo. But then I always did like Volstagg.

Perfect character. The whole dtory leading up to it was epic. Total waste

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Fail to see how the serpent feat correlates to THIS battle. Totally irrelevant

Mangog is one of Thor's villains.

And the World Serpent feat is arguably his greatest strength feat.

That's why it keeps getting brought up.

Originally posted by carver9
That scan is clear. This shouldn't even be debated any further.

Clear as day.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I haven't even read the comic, and no, that scan isn't clear at all.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Fail to see how the serpent feat correlates to THIS battle. Totally irrelevant

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulkster suddenly came in with this tangent lol.

Anyway, Superman takes him to the Sun to fight. It's not BFR as the battlefield is now the Sun.
It was Alberto the Anvil.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Truth.

I like Mangog but i find it weird he couldn't put down Odin, Odinson and Jane...after the raping he gave War Thor it was extremely anticlimactic.
Writer had to resort to plot device albeit a silly one.

In the physical dimension, Thor struggled to lift its foot, lol.

The feat is unusable and has been mythbusted all to hell on this board.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was Alberto the Anvil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In the physical dimension, Thor struggled to lift its foot, lol.

The feat is unusable and has been mythbusted all to hell on this board.
Irrelevant. He lifted a portion of his body in Asgard realm prior. At one point they couldnt really hurt each other enough in the void and he killed it in midgard in another instance. There are different portrayals in how he's intercated with the Serpent.
It has never hinged on the place he has interacted with it.

The void between space doesnt all of a sudden change the dynamic between 2 combatants in terms of physical battles. I dont think thats how the writer would have intended it because it would be silly.

Didnt Janethor and WarThor fight in the same void, with no hint of fundamental change in how they interacted with each other physically?

Pr actually sacrificed himself and read a HULK comic to write a ruling.

You really want him to read Journey into Mystery and to confirm the mythbusting as official...?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Pr actually sacrificed himself and read a HULK comic to write a ruling.

You really want him to read Journey into Mystery and to confirm the mythbusting as official...?
What myth? The basis of that mythbust was about pulling the serpent in the void b/n space and supposedly its weight is different than that if it was in midgard... All based on a comment about time/space... But when read properly, the comment was specifically referencing flow if time and nothing to do with the physical characteristics of charactrs in that space. Im not saying he pulled the weight of the earth or some such since we dont know what the serpent weighed.
All we know is he pulled the serpent from midgard. A serpent whose coils were causing gravity like natural disasters as it tightened.

You can quantify it to the point of measuring the force what it would take to crush the earth adding it to the weight of roughly half the earth just to give some leeway to the weight of the midgard serpent

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was Alberto the Anvil.

Glad someone else noticed Darksaint's wrongness.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It was Alberto the Anvil.


Writer had to resort to plot device albeit a silly one.

They're equal in my eyes, tbh.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Glad someone else noticed Darksaint's wrongness.

You must be ecstatic with me pointing out your errors in logic then