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you can become one of these guys to defeat superman,


High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)


you have 5 mins prep

explain your strategy, fight in hawaii, basic knowledge

to the death, you will need to kill superman to win

Wally west.
Steal speed and use attosecond perceptions to statue Superman. Then IMP him until he dies.

Adam Warlock with the Soul Gem could go for a 'soul suck' and trap SM's soul in the gem for the win. Failing that, Starbrand going all out could do it. Everyone else on that list fails.

Originally posted by zopzop
Adam Warlock with the Soul Gem could go for a 'soul suck' and trap SM's soul in the gem for the win. Failing that, Starbrand going all out could do it. Everyone else on that list fails.

I guess you totally disagreed with my take.
Why?
Wally can't statue Superman, especially after stealing all or much of his speed?

Firestorm. Just transmute the field into Kryptonite.

Though that becomes problematic if Supes decides to blitz at the onset.

Originally posted by Galan007
Firestorm. Just transmute the field into Kryptonite.

Though that becomes problematic if Supes decides to blitz at the onset.


Silver Surfer then. Transmute the field into Kryptonite at super speeds. Simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you totally disagreed with my take.
Why?
Wally can't statue Superman, especially after stealing all or much of his speed?
Would speed steal even work on SM? I'd bet my life he'd resist long enough to snap Flash's neck.

Same with Firestorm/Silver Surfer kryptonite shenanigans. He'd resist it long enough to put the hurt on them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Would speed steal even work on SM? I'd bet my life he'd resist long enough to snap Flash's neck.

Same with Firestorm/Silver Surfer kryptonite shenanigans. He'd resist it long enough to put the hurt on them. Wally is already a magnitude faster than Superman. Superman has no feats of resisting speed steal. In fact, Flash has stolen Superman's speed before.
So your argument has no basis.

Originally posted by zopzop
Same with Firestorm/Silver Surfer kryptonite shenanigans. He'd resist it long enough to put the hurt on them. So assuming Supes doesn't insta-blitz, then what's stopping Firestorm from turning the field into Kryptonite, and then just going intangible long enough for Supes to either die of k-nite exposure, or at the very least become weak/vulnerable enough for FS to kill outright?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Silver Surfer then. Transmute the field into Kryptonite at super speeds. Simple.
What superspeed lol?

Zopzop does worse than kill him.

Silver Surfer. Just blast him with red sunlight radiation and watch him whimper.

Originally posted by Astner
https://i.imgur.com/eF2gd6vm.jpg

- Justice League (2006) #23

would surfer instantly know about superman's weaknesses? and even if he did, would he instantly know how to conjure them?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
would surfer instantly know about superman's weaknesses? and even if he did, would he instantly know how to conjure them?
Yes.

https://i.imgur.com/oQHZleg.jpg

- Gaactus: the Devourer #5

But it doesn't matter, since I get Silver Surfer's powers per the opening post.

by logic power cosmic should help surfer figure it out eventually, although surfer's not the brightest bulb in the bunch

Originally posted by MrMind
by logic power cosmic should help surfer figure it out eventually, although surfer's not the brightest bulb in the bunch
I get to keep my memories, right?

Originally posted by MrMind
you can become one of these guys to defeat superman,

explain your strategy, fight in hawaii, basic knowledge

to the death, you will need to kill superman to win

Originally posted by Astner
I get to keep my memories, right?

yeah, for you guys it be easier cause you already know, all you gotta do is conjure it up before getting blitzed

however it's cis off full capacity, so we are back to does surfer has enough combat speed feats to suggest he can survive the initial blitze of all out bloodlusted superman fighting at his best, my opinion is he is fast enough

Originally posted by Astner
I get to keep my memories, right? wouldn't that be more of a hindrance then?

like yeah, you personally know that superman is weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation. but do you think that with just 5mins of prep, you'd have mastered surfer's powers enough to be able to conjure either of those things while superman is rushing at you?

it's like this, when you are anticipating someone's punch will he still able to knock you out in the get go?

Doctor Doom with 5 mins prep is the easy pick

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
wouldn't that be more of a hindrance then?

like yeah, you personally know that superman is weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation. but do you think that with just 5mins of prep, you'd have mastered surfer's powers enough to be able to conjure either of those things while superman is rushing at you? ^^ do we get all of the character's fictional knowledge and experience, or do we just have our own knowledge and have to learn how to use their powers on the fly?

Constantine, Wally West, Doom.....either use prep masters to take advantage of that 5 mins, or you get someone faster.

That 5min prep for magic users is insane.

Originally posted by Astner
Silver Surfer. Just blast him with red sunlight radiation and watch him whimper.
Before or after Superman beats the shit out of him at superspeed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Before or after Superman beats the shit out of him at superspeed?
If Gladiator can't do it then Superman can't.

Originally posted by Astner
If Gladiator can't do it then Superman can't.
Superman would blitz Gladiator AND Surfer at the same time.

Surfer, easily. Doom, easily. Too many to name

Why is this valid for Surfer:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/3/35308/1292558-marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

And this isn't for Cyborg?
https://i.postimg.cc/vmNXtC4Y/RCO014-2.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer, easily. Doom, easily. Too many to name
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why is this valid for Surfer:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/3/35308/1292558-marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

And this isn't for Cyborg?
https://i.postimg.cc/vmNXtC4Y/RCO014-2.jpg
Doubly hilarious when you know Surfer was in a mental illusion and wasn't doing anything.

Originally posted by Astner
If Gladiator can't do it then Superman can't.

Superman is faster than Gladiator combat wise.
And I haven't seen Gladiator try to blitz Surfer and fail.

Despero, modern version should be able to mindrape easily. He's even stronger than Superman.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Despero, modern version should be able to mindrape easily. He's even stronger than Superman.
Funnily enough, he doesn't know how to kill Superman.

Duh, nobody can kill Superman permanently, he's a hero and posterboy... Despero should be able to easily do it, considering his powers and feats. His telepathy makes Martian Manhunter do the lambada if he so wishes. He could put Supes in a perpetual state of him thinking that he's getting a BJ from Lois while actually getting penetrated by Despero's big red schlong

Nobody ever dies in comics for good.

Even Bucky and Thunderbird came back to life...

Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben aren't that special anymore either, if we include the clones and visits from the afterlife and such.

Originally posted by Smurph
Doctor Doom with 5 mins prep is the easy pick

Honestly this, plus the magic.

Being realistic, there seems to be more than a couple of characters on that list that should be able to do it.

I still say shoving Superman's head inside Dick Grayson's butthole is the best idea.

Buns of Steel >>> Man of Steel

A dick with a butthole, you don't see that every day.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Doubly hilarious when you know Surfer was in a mental illusion and wasn't doing anything.

Carver, hello!

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Duh, nobody can kill Superman permanently, he's a hero and posterboy... Despero should be able to easily do it, considering his powers and feats. His telepathy makes Martian Manhunter do the lambada if he so wishes. He could put Supes in a perpetual state of him thinking that he's getting a BJ from Lois while actually getting penetrated by Despero's big red schlong
Despero couldn't control Superman when he actually tried and another time Superman simply oneshotted him with heat vision.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, hello!

I didn't mention that ft in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't mention that ft in this thread.

So? I'm asking you about it. Is it valid for Surfer?

Why are you asking me about a showing that doesn't have anything to do with the thread or anything I've mentioned here? Stay on topic.

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you asking me about a showing that doesn't have anything to do with the thread or anything I've mentioned here? Stay on topic.

What are Surfer's speed feats? It has everything to do with this thread

Crossing Galaxies in seconds without ramming into any planets, etc...

Originally posted by carver9
Crossing Galaxies in seconds without ramming into any planets, etc...

That's just travel speed. And is his board. Any battle feats?

Are you saying to all the Surfer fans here, that THAT Surfer showing I posted is invalid?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's just travel speed. And is his board. Any battle feats?

Are you saying to all the Surfer fans here, that THAT Surfer showing I posted is invalid?

But he would need to maneuver around planets, stars etc... while going this fast.

I'm not saying anything, tbh. I need to read the comic again to see what's going on.

Originally posted by carver9
But he would need to maneuver around planets, stars etc... while going this fast.

I'm not saying anything, tbh. I need to read the comic again to see what's going on.

Hmm. This you?

Originally posted by carver9
How is Black Adam tagging Surfer? Someone that have FTL nano second showings while Adam doesn't?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's the nanosecond showing? Him breaking out of some bonds?

Originally posted by carver9
Yep.

https://ibb.co/YWL9bB6
https://ibb.co/pZ9Ds2m
https://ibb.co/bb5r5S7

Surfer flying around earth at light speed, and perceiving the right time to stop and halts his board while going at those speeds at the right time.

Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/YWL9bB6
https://ibb.co/pZ9Ds2m
https://ibb.co/bb5r5S7

Surfer flying around earth at light speed, and perceiving the right time to stop and halts his board while going at those speeds at the right time.

Lmao.

Firstly, did you see my quotation of you? Was that you posting about the nanosecond bond feat?

Originally posted by carver9
Crossing Galaxies in seconds without ramming into any planets, etc... There are no planets to ram into, I'll explain later. Plus that would be several second reaction time (slower than a human).

Do you know how big space is? You can blindly travel a million light years in a random direction with the chance of hitting anything being less than 0.001%.

Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/YWL9bB6
https://ibb.co/pZ9Ds2m
https://ibb.co/bb5r5S7

Surfer flying around earth at light speed, and perceiving the right time to stop and halts his board while going at those speeds at the right time. He could have stopped at anytime after he exceeded the speed of light. Also Surfer traveled in a circle around the Earth. This circle had a diameter of roughly 2 diameters of Earth.
So that means Surfer completed at least 4 revolutions in a second.
Each relolution in 0.25 seconds. That's bordering human reaction time.

Originally posted by carver9
Crossing Galaxies in seconds without ramming into any planets, etc...
Originally posted by carver9
But he would need to maneuver around planets, stars etc... while going this fast.

I'm not saying anything, tbh. I need to read the comic again to see what's going on.
By this logic, this "normal human senses" wizard would be one of the best speedsters in the DCU. Since both he and Superman traveled to the edge of the universe in the space just a few pages
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Probably an old news for (most) Kmcers here. But one of good examples that show travel speed =//= reaction speed

Superman and a sorcerer both traveled to the edge of the universe/space in just a few pages. But the wizard unlike Superman, still only has a reaction speed of normal human.
Superman assrapes him via moving faster than thought
https://ibb.co/F79MhBQ
https://ibb.co/xgDVVfb
https://ibb.co/Htqypnh

Originally posted by carver9
But he would need to maneuver around planets, stars etc... while going this fast.

I'm not saying anything, tbh. I need to read the comic again to see what's going on.

You're taking a very VERY long time to read.....