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Fight in NYC

No BFR

Does she get Feminist Force?

Feminazi Force is the proper term.

Jane destroys him tbh.

Certain people may not want to admit this but Jane Thor had some of the greatest feats of unleashing Mjolnir's unfettered power.

And let's face it, Jane Thor doesn't need to transmute a supernova or channel Jupiter's superstorm to deal with Doomsday.

Concurrently, confining this fight to NYC is a huuuuuge handicap to Jane Thor. So...

Jane Thor 8/10.

Speed kills. DOS blitzes her and koes her in a few seconds.

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed kills. DOS blitzes her and koes her in a few seconds.

Lmmfao

Jane would sodomize Doomsday and Thor at the same time.

I'll be fair. I'm sure DOS Doomsday would beat Jane Thor...

... after resurrecting from the memories of getting his a$$ beat a thousands times over.

She just have the fts to completely destroy him.

Does she now?

Show us these feats carver

DD kills Jane and bring along all the feminazis with him

You know what? I want to say Jane wins this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You know what? I want to say Jane wins this.

she probably does, dos doomsday is not that powerful and jane has motherstorm

but think of all the feminazis in the world ds

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You know what? I want to say Jane wins this.
Nah, she barely survived grey she hulk lol

Doomsday destroys her

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed kills. DOS blitzes her and koes her in a few seconds. But unlike Odinson, Jane actually has some speed feats, in addition to the obvious range and battlefield control advantages.

Originally posted by Smurph
But unlike Odinson, Jane actually has some speed feats, in addition to the obvious range and battlefield control advantages.

Whereas "FASTER THAN FLASH" Doomsday failed to kill Booster Gold (forcefield off) and resorted to bashing his head with a car door...

Also, Mjolnir operates independently of Jane.....and is magic, something that Doomsday hadn't encountered yet.

Jane Thor is really the only Thor that matters.

The only one with a penis, yeah.

Originally posted by Smurph
But unlike Odinson, Jane actually has some speed feats, in addition to the obvious range and battlefield control advantages. We humans have speed feats in comparison to a snail. Doesn't mean we can fight beings much faster than us on equal speed terms. They're are levels to speed. Superspeed alone doesn't make you immune to being statued or blitzed.


Imagine blitzing an entire team SIMULTANEOUSLY (including Superman) before they can respond (Superman stating that he didn't see him move). How do make 5 plus hits (after standing over 100 yd away) appear as 1 hit that happens so fast that Superman complains of his speed?

Then you have the writer's intent of him being comparable to Flash.

He has bony protrusions which adds to his deadliness.

Jane Thor wins.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Jane Thor wins. How so when he would blitz her and ko/kill her in a matter of moments? DD is a lot faster combat wise.

He failed to do that to Booster Gold with his shields off.

That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.

As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He failed to do that to Booster Gold with his shields off. But he did not fail to do that to Superman and the entire league. Nor did he fail to do that to Guy Gardner.

Originally posted by Smurph
That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.

As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.

Superman and flash were some of the fastest (combat wise) beings in comics at the time. Plus we have writer's intent to add to the feats (DD was written to be as fast as flash)

Originally posted by Smurph
That era Superman was not particularly impressive, at least by Superman standards. While he had a few speed feats under his belt, I don't put a ton of stock into his dialogue bubbles fretting about Doomsday, and I don't assume that Supes was always written at nanosecond speeds - particularly when he seemed to be moving at the same speed as Fire and Booster Gold.

As for the rest of that team, Jane "I know how to move like lightning" Thor could have blitzed them too. To say nothing of Mjolnir.
Not this stuff again

Ah yes, writer's intent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not this stuff again You think DD blitzes Jane?

Originally posted by Smurph
You think DD blitzes Jane?
A blitz isn't necessary for him to beat her. He's faster than her though, that's besides the point.

Originally posted by Smurph
Ah yes, writer's intent.
Yes, Writer's intent. While Byrne Superman wasn't impressive as per Superman standards, he was still beyond Thor or Hercules level character's ability to ko or kill as it happened in DoS.

https://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14491

Byrne flat out said no that Hercules could even ko Superman. Jurgens in 91 said Surfer would be lucky to get 1/100 win against Superman, etc, etc.

Lmao... he wasn't even impressive in DOS. Not Jane impressive.

It's funny how highly people rate classic Mangog because of Odin and the Asgardians. But in those comics the Asgardians were so weak that they were getting killed by falling 20 ft down into water. Thor was getting koed by falling off Mangog's back.

People ignore that but bring up the low showings in DOS. Double standards

Originally posted by abhilegend
A blitz isn't necessary for him to beat her. He's faster than her though, that's besides the point. But a blitz is what h1 is arguing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Writer's intent. While Byrne Superman wasn't impressive as per Superman standards, he was still beyond Thor or Hercules level character's ability to ko or kill as it happened in DoS.

https://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14491

Byrne flat out said no that Hercules could even ko Superman. Jurgens in 91 said Surfer would be lucky to get 1/100 win against Superman, etc, etc. lol

Originally posted by h1a8
It's funny how highly people rate classic Mangog because of Odin and the Asgardians. But in those comics the Asgardians were so weak that they were getting killed by falling 20 ft down into water. Thor was getting koed by falling off Mangog's back.

People ignore that but bring up the low showings in DOS. Double standards

If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.

Originally posted by Smurph
But a blitz is what h1 is arguing.

I honestly think you can make a case for doomsday but not via blitze

Originally posted by MrMind
I honestly think you can make a case for doomsday but not via blitze Yeah, agreed. I wouldn't have made the thread if I thought it was clear cut.

But if Abhi is pushing the h1 blitz argument then he should own it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lmao... he wasn't even impressive in DOS. Not Jane impressive.
Lol, lmao even. Originally posted by Smurph
lol
Well, you asked for Writer's intent.

Originally posted by carver9
If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.
Have you actually read the Mangog stories? Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah, agreed. I wouldn't have made the thread if I thought it was clear cut.

But if Abhi is pushing the h1 blitz argument then he should own it.
I said he doesn't needs to blitz her to beat her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, lmao even.
Well, you asked for Writer's intent. No, I sarcastically lol'd at h1 vaguely waving at "writer's intent"

Then I actually lol'd at the Byrne forum link

Do you think that DD blitzes Jane? Because that's why h1 was crying "writer's intent"

Originally posted by Smurph
No, I sarcastically lol'd at h1 vaguely waving at "writer's intent"

Then I actually lol'd at the Byrne forum link

Do you think that DD blitzes Jane? Because that's why h1 was crying "writer's intent"
Honestly, no. A bullrush type attack is more likely than a Flash type blitz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He's faster than her though



He is a slow ass brick.

Superman always struggles with those. Hulk would annihilate him in 2-3 panels.

Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

https://i.imgur.com/tooMu4cm.jpg

- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

https://i.imgur.com/CcGdDMmm.jpg

- Superman (1987) #75

Written by Phil, drawn by Abhi - what really happened during DoS:

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX


https://i.postimg.cc/1VRVgztR/Death-of-Power-001-0006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/rDR0R384/Death-of-Power-001-0007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/TyrKCb5Y/Death-of-Power-001-0008.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tZkYHHzK/Death-of-Power-001-0009.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/XG4phv9K/Death-of-Power-001-0010.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/gnQrpsv2/Death-of-Power-001-0011.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kBpR4qd9/Death-of-Power-001-0012.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LqdqtDXb/Death-of-Power-001-0013.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RNNq2yJY/Death-of-Power-001-0016.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bd6sCprb/Death-of-Power-001-0018.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
If Thor fell off a bridge and got koed from the fall and Mangog struggle to knock him out in the same book, I would use that against him. What do you mean? Especially if these scene constantly happened.

Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

I'm just pointing out the double standards when posters cry about DOS DD low showings while ignoring his high showings (which contradict them) but ignoring Thor and the Asgardian low showings while putting Mangog on a pedestal.

Originally posted by Astner
Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

https://i.imgur.com/tooMu4cm.jpg

- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

https://i.imgur.com/CcGdDMmm.jpg

- Superman (1987) #75

if only you are on dc side we could've been best friends astner

Originally posted by MrMind
if only you are on dc side we could've been best friends astner
I'm on their side when they win. Smurph is limiting Doomsday to a story where he he's barely a city-level threat, and he's giving Thor her entire arsenal of feats. Doomsday succumbed to blows many orders of magnitude below what Thor ditched out against Odin.

Doomsday would he dead before the impact would lift his feet off the ground.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm on their side when they win. Smurph is limiting Doomsday to a story where he he's barely a city-level threat, and he's giving Thor her entire arsenal of feats. Doomsday succumbed to blows many orders of magnitude below what Thor ditched out against Odin.

Doomsday would he dead before the impact would lift his feet off the ground.

yeah the 90s were not good times for dc as far as feats go

There was never a good time for DC, that's why they are such an inferior company.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


He is a slow ass brick.

Superman always struggles with those. Hulk would annihilate him in 2-3 panels.
Hulk struggles with snakes, Superman just asks a new pet from krypton to kill him. Originally posted by Astner
Jane would send Doomsday to Jupiter with one blow. Both Superman and Doomsday were incredibly weak in the Death of Superman arc.

https://i.imgur.com/tooMu4cm.jpg

- Mighty Thor (2016) #5

https://i.imgur.com/CcGdDMmm.jpg

- Superman (1987) #75
You're so easily impressed. Even pre DOS Superman was flunged hundreds of lightyears across and was merely knocked out.

https://i.postimg.cc/hXn4SM3Z/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk struggles with snakes, Superman just asks a new pet from krypton to kill him.
You're so easily impressed. Even pre DOS Superman was flunged hundreds of lightyears across and was merely knocked out.

https://i.postimg.cc/hXn4SM3Z/image.jpg
What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc. Moreover, Superman is not even taking a hit, or whatever you're trying to pass this scene off as.

The scene you posted is from Action Comics #664, and it's a direct continuation from Adventures of Superman #477 where Superman is flung back in time after the Sun-Eater explodes.

https://i.imgur.com/kYPwmXkm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/GCgpAeUm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/LfOB8HBm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/D5dCMI4m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/7npeEjZm.jpg

Adventures of Superman (1987) #477

https://i.imgur.com/NLgtu40m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/X0xiFB2m.jpg

Action Comics (1938) #664

Even if you want to argue that this is some kind of durability feat, it's not part of the Death of Superman arc. Furthermore, it doesn't change the fact that Superman's fight against Doomsday was on a level so far beneath Thor's battle with Odin that Doomsday couldn't even be considered a threat to Thor.

Originally posted by Astner
Superman is not even taking a hit
But...the scans you posted seem to contradict you....
As Superman was in fire, and stated a force, which would have destroyed anyone lesser than Superman, flung him to here
Originally posted by Astner

https://i.imgur.com/NLgtu40m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/X0xiFB2m.jpg

Action Comics (1938) #664

I mean he's not taking a physical blow as would've been delivered by Doomsday or Thor. If you want to be technical then sure, he survived the explosion of the Sun-Eater.

That said, it says it would've "such a journey would've destroyed a lesser man," what that means is that it would've killed anyone weaker. Moreover, note how is explicitly specifies the journey, not the explosion.

But you can't quantify this in any meaningful capacity because Superman is flung through time and space. You certainly can't infer from this alone that he would've survived a blow from Thor. Even the trajectory isn't as sharp nor is the impact as devastating as the ones generated by Thor and Odin.

But more importantly, this has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.

Originally posted by Astner
I mean he's not taking a physical blow as would've been delivered by Doomsday or Thor. If you want to be technical then sure, he survived the explosion of the Sun-Eater.

That said, it says it would've destroyed any lesser man. Whatever that actually means is up to interpretation. But you can't quantify this in any meaningful capacity because Superman is flung through time and space. You certainly can't infer from this alone that he would've survived a blow from Thor. Even the trajectory isn't as sharp nor is the impact as devastating as the ones generated by Thor and Odin.

But more importantly, this has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.
Not disagreeing with your other point, I just thought saying he didn't take any hit seems a bit strange( sounds to me like he didn't take any damage at all. But the scans seems to show otherwise).

It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.

But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight.

But why is collateral damage being used as a guide to power levels?

City level is still waayyyyyy past what the Beyonder did when he unleashed power that could destroy multiple dimensions....which only singed an apartment, iirc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But why is collateral damage being used as a guide to power levels?
Because those are the only notable feats in Death of Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
City level is still waayyyyyy past what the Beyonder did when he unleashed power that could destroy multiple dimensions....which only singed an apartment, iirc.
I'm assuming you're referring to this scene?

https://i.imgur.com/CeAioYIm.jpg

Secret Wars II #8

First and foremost, it was Molecule Man. Secondly we know how powerful the blast was because of the Beyonder's description. Thirdly, Molecule Man is a reality warper.

Glad people are finally realizing both Superman and Doomsday looked weak AF in DOS. The things that koed Superman in that book would be laughed at by current Superman, Silver Surfer and Hulk type characters.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

I'm just pointing out the double standards when posters cry about DOS DD low showings while ignoring his high showings (which contradict them) but ignoring Thor and the Asgardian low showings while putting Mangog on a pedestal.

What's DOS high showings? Did Mangog struggle to ko the weak asgardians?

Originally posted by Astner
Because those are the only notable feats in Death of Superman.


I'm assuming you're referring to this scene?

https://i.imgur.com/CeAioYIm.jpg

Secret Wars II #8

First and foremost, it was Molecule Man. Secondly we know how powerful the blast was because of the Beyonder's description. Thirdly, Molecule Man is a reality warper.

So iyo, collateral damage is proof of power level?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So iyo, collateral damage is proof of power level?

Does this matter?

https://ibb.co/T29TmN8
https://ibb.co/L93ynPN

Remember, you used this as proof of cosmic Thor durability.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Honestly, no. A bullrush type attack is more likely than a Flash type blitz.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

But that's nothing new. Average Asgardians were compared to low tier metahumans many times before.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There was never a good time for DC, that's why they are such an inferior company.

the 90s were probably the only era marvel can catch up to dc power wise

You don't need a lot of power or skill to take out retarded flying bricks, in all honesty.

Even someone like Prowler would sodomize half of the JLA or JSA.

Originally posted by Astner
What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.

I wasn't aware Superman has had no appearances before or after DOS

Well, it is a durability feat. The arc specified that Superman was only getting tossed through time by extreme forces and he had to endure everything.



So basically none of Superman's feats matter before DOS?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I wasn't aware Superman has had no appearances before or after DOS

That's his only good story, so the only one that matters.

"Only a person as invulnerable as you could have survived those experiences".

https://i.postimg.cc/Vk31S9zK/image.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's his only good story, so the only one that matters.
Wolverine shouldn't have appeared after confederacy of dunces. His only good story.

Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.


Anyway, since we are talking about collateral damage, here you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind you, even Valor who Superman beat black and blue oneshotted Unimaginable who literally causes suns to go supernova and drains them to gain his power.

https://i.postimg.cc/gxp71dqk/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sMJLr8wP/image.jpg

Unimaginable caused a sun to go supernova and drained its energy just two issues ago.

https://i.postimg.cc/Pp64VnfJ/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/n9C16SMk/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w3vFyMFm/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4nSPzGFF/image.jpg

Confirmed in its profile entry.

https://i.postimg.cc/SYpLjQKn/image.jpg

And Superman beat Lar black and blue.

https://imgur.io/gallery/tdmIA

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.

superman trump supporter confirmed. What a bigot

Originally posted by Astner
It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.

But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight. I'm not changing the conditions of the fight.

This is the same "Doomsday (DOS)" that's ranked as a high herald in the tiers thread.

Originally posted by carver9
What's DOS high showings? Did Mangog struggle to ko the weak asgardians? Yes he struggled to ko Thor at times when Thor was getting koed by just falling off his Back.
So basically falling off back >>>>> Mangog's punches


I'm kidding. But if you want to argue consistently and use Mangog whipping up on Asgardians (who were shown to be weak as humans) as why he is Sky father level and can stomp high heralds then you have to ignore those low showings.

DD high showings are killing many many lanterns, killing Superman (almost), No selling Martian Mamhunters hardest punch. No selling the entire leagues energy blasts combined. Blitzing Superman faster than he can see him move (same guy that can statue bullets) while simultaneously hitting 4-5 other members. Easily able to stab Superman with his protrusions. Able to leap 50 miles at a time.
How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head.

Originally posted by MrMind
superman trump supporter confirmed. What a bigot

Time Immemorial, Cdtm and Delta are huge Trumpers, also happen to be huge Supes fans. Typical.

The only pure Superman fan without a sin is Qwerty http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Time Immemorial, Cdtm and Delta are huge Trumpers, also happen to be huge Supes fans. Typical.

The only pure Superman fan without a sin is Qwerty http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

qwerty is pure at heart

truth justice and the chines ccp way ftw

his heart bleed red just like mine

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90JySHhGTNg

https://youtu.be/90JySHhGTNg?si=hqKouVJHPpvRVVQf

Originally posted by Astner
It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.

But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight. The feat isn't that great.

1. Apparently both Odin and Thor can fly as you see was Jane was flying (without the hammer) with a small asteroid in her hands. So it's possible They could have been flying during those punches.

2. All of Jane's fights in an atmosphere doesn't match your assumption of the feat.

3. Barely creates a crater when knocked to a moon.

Originally posted by h1a8

How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head. We know that Superman wasn't moving at top speed because in the next issue he says he has to start moving faster to keep up with Doomsday.

You're trying so hard to build up that feat into something bigger than it is. They weren't spread out; they were basically standing in a line. Most of them have no superspeed.

Can we infer that DoS Doomsday was fast? Sure.

Fast enough to blitz Jane? No. No proof that he was moving faster than Jane's neurosurgery feat. No proof that he was moving faster than Mjolnir.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he struggled to ko Thor at times when Thor was getting koed by just falling off his Back.
So basically falling off back >>>>> Mangog's punches


I'm kidding. But if you want to argue consistently and use Mangog whipping up on Asgardians (who were shown to be weak as humans) as why he is Sky father level and can stomp high heralds then you have to ignore those low showings.

DD high showings are killing many many lanterns, killing Superman (almost), No selling Martian Mamhunters hardest punch. No selling the entire leagues energy blasts combined. Blitzing Superman faster than he can see him move (same guy that can statue bullets) while simultaneously hitting 4-5 other members. Easily able to stab Superman with his protrusions. Able to leap 50 miles at a time.
How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head.

Show me Thor getting koed by falling off Mangog.

Also, this is DOS Doomsday. This fight is fts only from DOS. What you're mentioning doesn't count for this Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me Thor getting koed by falling off Mangog.

Also, this is DOS Doomsday. This fight is fts only from DOS. What you're mentioning doesn't count for this Doomsday.

So his feats prior to the events of DOS doesn't count? Feats from Superman prior to DOS doesn't count?

So you didn't read the classic Mangog comics? Ok I'll post a scan when I get time. Unless someone here beats me to it.

Ask the thread starter

Originally posted by Smurph
We know that Superman wasn't moving at top speed because in the next issue he says he has to start moving faster to keep up with Doomsday.

You're trying so hard to build up that feat into something bigger than it is. They weren't spread out; they were basically standing in a line. Most of them have no superspeed.

Can we infer that DoS Doomsday was fast? Sure.

Fast enough to blitz Jane? No. No proof that he was moving faster than Jane's neurosurgery feat. No proof that he was moving faster than Mjolnir. They were spread out (sideways from each other, not front to back lol). Superman does need to concentrate to increase his speed. But his natural speed (no concentration needed) is already insane. He even has a nanosecond speed feat before that event (no concentration necessary).

They can all be bowling pins for all I care. You can't hit 5 individuals (separated sideways by a few feet apart with Superman included) all at the same time without being insanely fast.

We have no idea how fast Jane was moving. But that is a very good speed feat.

Looking again, she's faster than I once thought. Might have to rethink this fight.

I'll just say this.
If DD was moving anything close to the speed of light or above then he wins. If he was moving significantly slower (which Superman complains of his speed would make that nonsensical) then he loses.

With speed equalized the Jane wins imo. But if DD is significantly faster then I feel he wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Ask the thread starter

But if it makes sense for WWH to get all his Savage Hulk feats
Then why shouldn't DD and Superman get earlier feats?
It's the same spirit.

Originally posted by h1a8

Looking again, she's faster than I once thought. Might have to rethink this fight.

Any retcons to DOS and anything set time wise before DOS would count towards DOS Doomsday.

Yeah this strict anally-retentive (not to mention) incorrect reading of the rules is mysterious.

Are we to ignore, for example, what Odin has done in previous interactions prior to meeting Jane Thor (so 'classic' Odin)? Does Superman suddenly lose his origin story since it wasn't depicted in DoS?

i don't understand why all of byrne-era superman's showings before DOS wouldn't be valid here? just seems like an odd way to passively lowball superman (and therefore doomsday). likewise, wouldn't doomsday's showings from the annual also be valid given that they take place before DOS?

Originally posted by Juntai
Any retcons to DOS and anything set time wise before DOS would count towards DOS Doomsday. If that's case, how exactly did subsequent comics, a/k/a, secondary sources, change the scope of their fight?

Fwiw, my intention was to use the same DoS Doomsday referred to in the tiers thread. People can argue about what that means if they want, but don't rely on additional constraints imposed by OP.

As well, when I wrote "Fight in NYC", I didn't mean confined to NYC. Just a starting point. Shoulda been clearer.

Bump

Originally posted by -Pr-
We do use feats from before. This has actually come up before, and Carter knows this. He's being disingenous.

Jane destroys him, easily tbh

Originally posted by carver9
Jane destroys him, easily tbh
What about his speed? Wouldn't he blitz her until she is koed or close to out?

Why or why not?

Originally posted by h1a8
What about his speed? Wouldn't he blitz her until she is koed or close to out?

Why or why not?

She's faster than DOS Doomsday. That's why.

Going back to Mangog, he chewed Mjolnir up with his mouth. That's tough, but if that isn't enough, he ate a high powered blast from it like he was eating donuts.

Overall, Jane would have to end it quickly, because for all we know, Doomsday's skin may adapt to become anti uru to negate the effects of her powers. I recall Superman stating that Doomsday was getting stronger the longer they fought. Anyway, everyone knows that DD adapts to threats.

Originally posted by h1a8

We have no idea how fast Jane was moving. But that is a very good speed feat.

Looking again, she's faster than I once thought. Might have to rethink this fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
What about his speed? Wouldn't he blitz her until she is koed or close to out?

Why or why not? Maybe keep rethinking?

Originally posted by carver9
She's faster than DOS Doomsday. That's why.

So she is faster than a kryptonian and faster than flash?

Originally posted by Smurph
Maybe keep rethinking?
My quote doesn't apply here. DD is faster than Jane

Originally posted by h1a8
My quote doesn't apply here. DD is faster than Jane Your quote is from the previous page of this thread.

Originally posted by Smurph
Your quote is from the previous page of this thread.
Which page?

Click on the link my guy....

Maybe just re-read the whole thread and catch up on the conversation you already had about the question you just asked.

Originally posted by Smurph
Maybe just re-read the whole thread and catch up on the conversation you already had about the question you just asked. So page 5

I did say "the previous page"

Jane can sit back and let the hammer do the work

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Jane can sit back and let the hammer do the work

That only works on much weaker foes.


1) DD can bull rush her quickly
2) DD can swat Mjolnir away.
3) Mjolnir can knock him down without much damage. But he gets up and does 1)

Originally posted by h1a8
That only works on much weaker foes.


1) DD can bull rush her quickly
2) DD can swat Mjolnir away.
3) Mjolnir can knock him down without much damage. But he gets up and does 1)
Mjolnir can fly back, though (for 2). And she has speed of her own(for 1).

For 3, they're magic, which Doomsday has never faced before.