Weakest DC character that can beat Gremmy Thoumeaux

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carver9
No TP or bfr.

Who's the weakest? He's from Bleach - thousand year blood, episode 20 if you all are interested.

DarkSaint85
Are there any other stips you want to add?

Astner
Another manga character with an overpowered ability?

https://i.imgur.com/fJltXfl.jpg

- Bleach #572

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are there any other stips you want to add?

Think those 2 are pretty basic.

carver9
Originally posted by Astner
Another manga character with an overpowered ability?

https://i.imgur.com/fJltXfl.jpg

- Bleach #572

So, who would be the weakest character iyo that could defeat him?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Think those 2 are pretty basic.

Count Vertigo, maybe then.

Deadman

Prometheus (neural chaff and strobe lights or whatever it is he uses).

Basically, someone who throws his concentration off so he can't focus on imagining anything. Or Deadman to just possess him (unless Gremmy can see ghosts?)

Maybe even the Atom to go inside and start dancing on his inner ear or something, he'd have no idea why he can't focus and would just be puking up.

Anyway, spitballing here. I see taking Gremmy out as the same as taking a competent GL out (who doesn't have autoshields) or magic user.

carver9
If he knows Deadman is a ghost, why not just bring him back from the dead, make him real? Yes, he can do that. Then just defeat him as a real person.

Prometheus? How would Prom handle lava being tossed on him or him just falling in lava?

They start off with basic knowledge of the characters, so he would know Deadman is a ghost.

NemeBro
This character was literally beaten by a brick with a big sword (Kenpachi Zaraki) because Gremmy could not imagine anything stronger than him and ended up self-destructing when he tried to make himself as strong as Kenpachi.

His power on paper is insanely broken on-paper but in practice he's a gigantic pussy.

Parmaniac
Batman with a big sword

carver9
Originally posted by NemeBro
This character was literally beaten by a brick with a big sword (Kenpachi Zaraki) because Gremmy could not imagine anything stronger than him and ended up self-destructing when he tried to make himself as strong as Kenpachi.

His power on paper is insanely broken on-paper but in practice he's a gigantic pussy.

He defeated himself, the brick didn't defeat him.

Parmaniac
The point is, his limit can be reached quite quick.

carver9
Originally posted by Parmaniac
The point is, his limit can be reached quite quick.

Via plot. Plot isn't in this thread, though.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by carver9
Via plot. Plot isn't in this thread, though. I haven't read the manga but it could be very well CIS.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
If he knows Deadman is a ghost, why not just bring him back from the dead, make him real? Yes, he can do that. Then just defeat him as a real person.

Prometheus? How would Prom handle lava being tossed on him or him just falling in lava?

They start off with basic knowledge of the characters, so he would know Deadman is a ghost.

That's not basic knowledge.

Basic knowledge is what the general population of Earth knows.

They don't know of Deadman.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not basic knowledge.

Basic knowledge is what the general population of Earth knows.

They don't know of Deadman.

So you're saying he won't see his opponent as soon as the bell starts? If that's the case, since this is a character that can change reality, what do you think he will do next against an opponent he can't see?

Thinkerer
Arm fall off boy.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying he won't see his opponent as soon as the bell starts? If that's the case, since this is a character that can change reality, what do you think he will do next against an opponent he can't see?

He will immediately think 'oh it must be a ghost' and act accordingly, apparently, according to you lmao.

Why assume his opponent is invisible? He could be microscopic, like the Atom. Or hidden in the Earth like GeoForce. Or a speedster, too fast to see.

By the time he realises, it'll be too late.

Vertigo is probably the weakest link tbf - pretty sure him being royalty and in the public eye means Gremmy would take him out at the start. Prometheus is a wildcard - nobody knows of him.

Let's add Jericho to the list. They lock eyes....it's over.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
If he knows Deadman is a ghost, why not just bring him back from the dead, make him real? Yes, he can do that. Then just defeat him as a real person.

Prometheus? How would Prom handle lava being tossed on him or him just falling in lava?

They start off with basic knowledge of the characters, so he would know Deadman is a ghost.

Just saw the bit about Prometheus.

With his neural chaff and strobe lights, he would disorientate Gremmy so much he's unable to form any coherent thoughts.

https://imgur.com/a/RQfsy

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He will immediately think 'oh it must be a ghost' and act accordingly, apparently, according to you lmao.

Why assume his opponent is invisible? He could be microscopic, like the Atom. Or hidden in the Earth like GeoForce. Or a speedster, too fast to see.

By the time he realises, it'll be too late.

Vertigo is probably the weakest link tbf - pretty sure him being royalty and in the public eye means Gremmy would take him out at the start. Prometheus is a wildcard - nobody knows of him.

Let's add Jericho to the list. They lock eyes....it's over.

If he can't see an opponent when the battle starts, why not just make that person visible? Let me guess, Deadman will blitz an entire football field in a nano second and attack him? He can also create multiple versions of himself that has its own personality, etc and the same power level as him... he can create beings with a thought also (he created someone that had the same powers as forgetmenot). All done during a fight. Can Deadman possess multiple people?

Prometheus dies.

How're they going to lock eyes an entire football field away? Jericho powers must be snatching his eyes out and throwing them across a field at his opponent? He moves at light speed as well?

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just saw the bit about Prometheus.

With his neural chaff and strobe lights, he would disorientate Gremmy so much he's unable to form any coherent thoughts.

https://imgur.com/a/RQfsy

Is this not like a form of TP? No mind tricks, please.

MrMind
Originally posted by NemeBro
This character was literally beaten by a brick with a big sword (Kenpachi Zaraki) because Gremmy could not imagine anything stronger than him and ended up self-destructing when he tried to make himself as strong as Kenpachi.

His power on paper is insanely broken on-paper but in practice he's a gigantic pussy.

pretty much thumb up

carver9
No

Juntai
the answer to these is always Batman.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
If he can't see an opponent when the battle starts, why not just make that person visible?
Because......he has no idea how that person is invisible? He could be intangible and hiding in the Earth, or microscopic, or just too fast to see - Gremmy has no idea why he can't see that person.

Put it this way, if he was fighting The Atom (as an example, read carefully) and Ray suddenly disappears (which means Gremmy can't see him)....him imagining 'oh, I want my opponent to be visible' means nothing. Because Ray isn't invisible, he's just too small to be seen.


Glad you asked.
https://imgur.com/a/TWs5l

Yes, he can possess multiple people smile Done during a fight, too!


Again, how, if Gremmy is unable to form coherent thoughts? It's not TP, btw, unless you want to argue Prometheus has superpowers (hint: he does not lmao). He can also hypnotise people haha:
https://imgur.com/a/uhhR4

And strobe lights:
https://imgur.com/a/B39Et

So yeah, he has a number of ways to just stop Gremmy from making any coherent thoughts. Not telepathy, I was very careful. Are you adding more stips again?



You can make eye contact across a football field, sure.

Originally posted by carver9
Is this not like a form of TP? No mind tricks, please.

Nope, it's not.

Looks like we have a winner. Prometheus smile

Thinkerer
Penguin

ODG
This disrespect towards Kenpachi Zaraki's power here in this thread...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/91/e1/8291e1e264845c3f0ef3b9021b2f679e.gif

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Because......he has no idea how that person is invisible? He could be intangible and hiding in the Earth, or microscopic, or just too fast to see - Gremmy has no idea why he can't see that person.

Put it this way, if he was fighting The Atom (as an example, read carefully) and Ray suddenly disappears (which means Gremmy can't see him)....him imagining 'oh, I want my opponent to be visible' means nothing. Because Ray isn't invisible, he's just too small to be seen.


Glad you asked.
https://imgur.com/a/TWs5l

Yes, he can possess multiple people smile Done during a fight, too!


Again, how, if Gremmy is unable to form coherent thoughts? It's not TP, btw, unless you want to argue Prometheus has superpowers (hint: he does not lmao). He can also hypnotise people haha:
https://imgur.com/a/uhhR4

And strobe lights:
https://imgur.com/a/B39Et

So yeah, he has a number of ways to just stop Gremmy from making any coherent thoughts. Not telepathy, I was very careful. Are you adding more stips again?



You can make eye contact across a football field, sure.



Nope, it's not.

Looks like we have a winner. Prometheus smile

But why would he keep it like that? Once the fight starts off, all he needs to do is making his character see able. Why let himself be vulnerable when he can prevent it from happening. He could easily just say "turn into a goat" which would end the fight tbh. He turned someone bones into cookies as soon as the fight started. Why would he fight any different here?

Same applies here for Deadman. Turn him into a human or goat as soon as the bell ring. He would be a complete idiot to let this last against someone he can't see.

What kind of people can make eye contact an entire football field away?

Prometheus dies.

MrMind
Originally posted by ODG
This disrespect towards Kenpachi Zaraki's power here in this thread...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/91/e1/8291e1e264845c3f0ef3b9021b2f679e.gif

it's general disrespect towards lame ass shonen manga, it's geared toward low iq simpletons like carver

i remember reading bleach when i was in high school, a chapter only takes 30 seconds to finish, no manga has more filler than bleach.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
But why would he keep it like that? Once the fight starts off, all he needs to do is making his character see able. Why let himself be vulnerable when he can prevent it from happening. He could easily just say "turn into a goat" which would end the fight tbh. He turned someone bones into cookies as soon as the fight started. Why would he fight any different here?

Same applies here for Deadman. Turn him into a human or goat as soon as the bell ring. He would be a complete idiot to let this last against someone he can't see.

What kind of people can make eye contact an entire football field away?

Prometheus dies.

Wait I thought he was cloning himself? Is that not happening now?

You miss my point - he doesn't know that his opponent is invisible, lol. And thus, can't imagine to make them visible.

How fast is Gremmy? Give me actual numbers, please.

steverules_2
https://i.postimg.cc/6qc1Rfhh/IMG-8411.gif

Astner
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You miss my point - he doesn't know that his opponent is invisible, lol. And thus, can't imagine to make them visible.
The thing about Bleach is that everyone is invisible (and intangible) by virtue of being a spirit. So I doubt Deadman's invisibility will be of much use here, since it's technically the same form of invisibility.

https://i.imgur.com/cSHcbBR.jpg

- Bleach #9

Moreover, when Gremmy was invisible (even to spirits) when watched the fight between the Yachiru and Guenael he was invisible. Moreover, Guenael (who Gremmy created) had the power to become invisible, intangible, and remove himself from the memories of his opponents.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Astner
The thing about Bleach is that everyone is invisible (and intangible) by virtue of being a spirit. So I doubt Deadman's invisibility will be of much use here, since it's technically the same form of invisibility.

https://i.imgur.com/cSHcbBR.jpg

- Bleach #9

Moreover, when Gremmy was invisible (even to spirits) when watched the fight between the Yachiru and Guenael he was invisible. Moreover, Guenael (who Gremmy created) had the power to become invisible, intangible, and remove himself from the memories of his opponents.

Fascinating.

Not my point, but ok.

qwertyuiop1998
Not sure this is the weakest DC character, but Superman Blue defeats an opponent with similar power by manipulating the opponent's energy

carver9
Originally posted by Astner
The thing about Bleach is that everyone is invisible (and intangible) by virtue of being a spirit. So I doubt Deadman's invisibility will be of much use here, since it's technically the same form of invisibility.

https://i.imgur.com/cSHcbBR.jpg

- Bleach #9

Moreover, when Gremmy was invisible (even to spirits) when watched the fight between the Yachiru and Guenael he was invisible. Moreover, Guenael (who Gremmy created) had the power to become invisible, intangible, and remove himself from the memories of his opponents.

Good post about them already being spirits, AND he was invisible to actual spirits until he wanted to be seen. Great catch.

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
it's general disrespect towards lame ass shonen manga, it's geared toward low iq simpletons like carver

i remember reading bleach when i was in high school, a chapter only takes 30 seconds to finish, no manga has more filler than bleach. Anybody who refers to Kenpachi as a simple brick be the simpleton. Almost as dumb as suggesting Guy Gardner isn't the greatest GL ever.

The anime had a lot of filler. To the point where I just read the manga.

But I think that's actually by design. Anime is basically used to get people to buy manga.

MrMind
Originally posted by ODG
Anybody who refers to Kenpachi as a simple brick be the simpleton. Almost as dumb as suggesting Guy Gardner isn't the greatest GL ever.

The anime had a lot of filler. To the point where I just read the manga.

But I think that's actually by design. Anime is basically used to get people to buy manga.

Oh I'm talking about the manga it's so decompressed it's insane, sometimes the entire chapter consist of like 6 sentences, and it's not action packed like one punch man. Its mostly them standing there in the sky

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
Oh I'm talking about the manga it's so decompressed it's insane, sometimes the entire chapter consist of like 6 sentences, and it's not action packed like one punch man. Its mostly them standing there in the sky The Thousand Year Blood War is hardly that. If you want to argue certain parts of Bleach, fine. But the TYBW arc is completely the opposite.

Thing that p1ssed me off the third most was... I still don't get how the final fight was resolved. I read it twiceover and I'm still in the dark. It was like Kubo just didn't want to deal with it anymore and rather than portray/explain how the fight was won, he just ended it by showing an epilogue.

The thing that p1ssed me off the second most? The manga never explained what happened to Yachiru or what she was exactly. Post-manga Kubo interviews shedding light on it is bs. They also lead to more questions than answers, frankly.

The thing that p1ssed me off the absolute most? We never even saw how Yhwach defeated Kenpachi. He beat him off-panel.

That sh1t is compressed. Not decompressed.

MrMind
I was talking about when they were fighting aizen, for example when yamamoto was fighting aizen one move takes 2 pages to make. when ichigo was fighting grimmjow took months for that battle to be over. it was very slow.

I only read till the kugo ginjo arc

thousand year blood war anime was good, way better than the bleach original anime for sure. not sure about the manga i stopped following a long time ago before it ended.

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
I was talking about when they were fighting aizen Nuff said. Gremmy Thoumeaux has got nothing to do with that arc. And Kenpachi Zaraki who defeated Gremmy didn't have much to do with that arc either. Originally posted by MrMind
thousand year blood war anime was good, way better than the bleach original anime for sure. not sure about the manga i stopped following a long time ago before it ended. Even Bleach fans hated how the TYBW arc in manga was handled. Which is exactly why they needed to do an anime.

But I myself was so annoyed with the TYBW manga arc that I haven't even watched a single episode of the TYBW anime.

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