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Can Rogue handle a metamorph?

Rogue

yeah not sure how she loses this one.

Meggan can be pretty uber, is there a limit to how much Rogue can absorb?
https://i.postimg.cc/YGw4pX1d/excalibur-25-lockheed-7.jpg
I know she failed to absorb gods and magical beings like Loki and Kuurth (she actually passed out with a nosebleed). Isn't Meggan a magical being too or is she a mutant now? I can't keep up.

well I mean she absorbed pretty well EVERYONE's powers when she tried stopping that celestial in uncanny X-Men. that included Thor whose powers she has absorbed in the past. she's also absorbed power from ares in the past as well as juggernaut. not sure why she couldn't absorb meggan's powers. rogue's powers are really writer-driven though. she was really messed up when she tried to absorb spiral's powers. so on the whole I'd say she could take meggan down more often than not but allowing for some writer leeway i'd say maybe 8/10.

Originally posted by leonidas
she was really messed up when she tried to absorb spiral's powers
Rogue's powers worked just fine on Spiral.

Spiral is a skilled mind-manipulator and extremely resistant to domination, so she was able to gain control -- but the absorption itself, the action of Rogue's power, was successful.

i didn't say it didn't work. i said she was messed up. badly. so sure they worked--if you're definition of working means she ended up with 6 arms and spiral in charge of rogue

Originally posted by leonidas
i didn't say it didn't work. i said she was messed up. badly. so sure they worked--if you're definition of working means she ended up with 6 arms and spiral in charge of rogue
You did say she tried to absorb Spiral's powers. She didn't just try -- she very definitely absorbed her powers & template.

And, my definition of "working"? FYI, Rogue's absorption transfers the target's powers and special physical features (including Spiral's arms), as well as their psyche (which allowed Spiral to take over). This is how Rogue's powers work. It's Chris Claremont's definition, not mine.

lol your definition of working is different from mine--and marvel's in general. her powers "work" when she absorbs powers attributes and psyches AND is in control of them. and when i say something worked i imply they ALL worked just fine. they clearly didn't. in fact, to say they worked would be completely misleading. ie--she was completely messed up from the attempt. like i said. and i wager if we asked claremont if her powers "worked", he'd add a similar caveat.

anyway, she failed badly against loki but meggan is no loki so there's a much better chance she succeeds here than fails but meggan is a weird one so... yeah.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol your definition of working is different from mine--and marvel's in general.
Nope, Marvel is pretty clear on this. The power/psyche absorption is her power. If the absorption takes place, then her power works. Thus, her power works on Mr. Sinister, Spiral, Ms. Marvel, etc. just fine.

What happens after the absorption is not power-related, it just depends on her and her victim's mental prowess. Powerful/skilled minds and mind manipulators such as Mr. Sinister or Spiral can overcome Rogue's psyche almost immediately, and take control. Whereas weaker minds and/or those with little experience with psychic fights Rogue can typically subdue, sometimes with some difficulty. Marvel has stated time and time again that this fight for control is simply due to psyche vs. psyche -- nothing to do with Rogue's mutant power working or failing.

oi. you want to mislead by saying her powers "worked" none of that changes what i said. she tried. she was messed up afterwards so they didn't work the way they normally do. nowhere did i say her powers did NOT work so it's a pointless argument.

Originally posted by leonidas
oi. you want to mislead by saying her powers "worked" none of that changes what i said. she tried. she was messed up afterwards so they didn't work the way they normally do. nowhere did i say her powers did NOT work so it's a pointless argument.
I would say that it was your post that was misleading, not mine. And that you now try to spin up some dishonest and irrational semantics to cover it up. IDK, claiming that my statement was misleading might work better if you didn't immediately agree with that statement just a couple of sentences later ("nowhere did I say her powers did NOT work".

It is trivial logic, really:
Rogue's power = power absorption.
Rogue absorbs someone's powers --> Rogue's powers work on that someone.

The fact that Spiral could even attempt to take control over Rogue shows that Rogue's power had indeed worked, as it had successfully transferred Spiral's psyche (along with her powers and physical features) to Rogue.

Looks like you actually now agree with my original statement, as I noted above. But you just keep arguing for the sake of it.

lol Magnon, that was so much pedantry with no actual point. The Spiral comparison seems apt, since Meggan is an empath who could also (under the right writer) mess up Rogue at the point of power transfer.

But I think Meggan has other options here too. I might give her better odds than Leo does.

Meggan becomes a behemoth and opens a can of worms 🪱 that gives her Agamotto level and Rogue is consumed.

It's like saying drinking battery acid 'works' as a meal.

I mean it does, in that it fills my stomach. But......I mean.....

thought it was just me.

@smurph--granted meggan is a strange bird. there could very well be some weird effects. my thought was that even given some possible odd effects she'd still drain meggan enough that she should be able to take her out. in a similar way that she took out ares even though her powers didn't work as they normally do (guys gotta choose his words carefully around here lol) I'd say a couple times meggan's weirdness would totally take over and in that case i'd give her the win, like I give spiral the win over rogue.

Meggan is way above her? Not sure what I'm missing here.

Well Rogue did take down Nimrod.

Has Meggan's ever used her empathy offensively?

Could she manipulate Rogue's emotions to the point where Rogue feels suicidal?

Because a psychic attack may be her best shot at winning.

Out of curiosity, does Meggan actually wear clothes? Or is she essentially naked and just manifesting part of her body into the semblance of clothing like Mystique does?

If Meggan has no actual clothing or, her limited human clothing would be torn apart as soon as she metamorphs into anything beyond a pixie blond's physique... then Rogue could touch any part of her body to absorb her power.

Unless Meggan can metamorph her body and manifest armor that would negate the skin-to-skin contact Rogue's mutant ability requires?

good question. my impression was it was clothes but....beats me.

an empathic attack would definitely be her best bet. i think if rogue can touch her meggan is in a load of trouble.

Originally posted by leonidas
if rogue can touch her meggan is in a load of trouble. https://i.gifer.com/30eq.gif

yur on fire.

Originally posted by ODG
Out of curiosity, does Meggan actually wear clothes? Or is she essentially naked and just manifesting part of her body into the semblance of clothing like Mystique does?

If Meggan has no actual clothing or, her limited human clothing would be torn apart as soon as she metamorphs into anything beyond a pixie blond's physique... then Rogue could touch any part of her body to absorb her power.

Unless Meggan can metamorph her body and manifest armor that would negate the skin-to-skin contact Rogue's mutant ability requires? Meggan is also an elemental who can control the ground, create ice, make shields. There's no reason that Rogue should be able to walk up and touch her.

A writer could pen a really cool interaction between Meggan's life-force control, and Rogue's life-force draining. I think under forum rules I'd give Meggan the majority. She rarely gets the spotlight these days, but full capacity Meggan still seems beyond most versions of Rogue.

Originally posted by Smurph
Meggan is also an elemental who can control the ground, create ice, make shields. There's no reason that Rogue should be able to walk up and touch her.

A writer could pen a really cool interaction between Meggan's life-force control, and Rogue's life-force draining. I think under forum rules I'd give Meggan the majority. She rarely gets the spotlight these days, but full capacity Meggan still seems beyond most versions of Rogue.
Don't forget Meggan can turn to mist/air. Rogue isn't touching her unless Meggan forgets Rogue's powerset and let's it happen.

what Zopzop said

This thread is giving Rogue full credit but Meggan half credit

Originally posted by Smurph
what Zopzop said

This thread is giving Rogue full credit but Meggan half credit
So, a usual kmc thread.

not too sure about half credit....i think the drain would be a big edge. it's possible meggan no sells it, i just don't think it likely but she's such a weird character who knows. i do think at some point rogue would get in close enough to use most of the time. the effects would determine how this went.

And then there's this :
https://i.postimg.cc/62J6gsjH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8JRkVyxT/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/K3mGcPyB/image.jpg
I mean she died but she stopped the Chaos Wave from destroying the Omniverse. I legit think Rogue would overload trying to absorb her powers.

^ I will admit, I ain't read that actual comic's scenes in years. But from the panels themselves, it seems like Megan is drawing on the power of the Beyond.

If I ain't missing something, seems like that wouldn't be an option in a neutral environment.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I will admit, I ain't read that actual comic's scenes in years. But from the panels themselves, it seems like Megan is drawing on the power of the Beyond.

If I ain't missing something, seems like that wouldn't be an option in a neutral environment.
Yeah, she's an elemental/empathic/shapeshifter that draws power from her surroundings. It doesn't matter if she's on Earth or in the Void. She did the same thing vs Galactus. She was drawing power from the Earth and causing environmental havoc. Rachel had to talk her out of it. I linked the scan in a pervious post.