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This is a fist fight only. No gimmicks!!!

Darkseid.

Why?

Darkseid has better feats. Wraith faced n52 Superman who was weakened (I'm sure you know this).

DS casually walked around whilst Earth Prime Superman AND Kingdom Come Superman were trying to blitz him, and he didn't even care.

DS also moved so fast he disappeared from Superman's view and appeared behind him like WW did in Sacrifice, only Superman wasn't mind controlled at the time.

Insane showings.

Wraith faced new 52 Superman and broke his ribs in a single attack. Superman also admitted that Wraith is faster and stronger than him. Let me see the appear behind ft you're talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith faced new 52 Superman and broke his ribs in a single attack. Superman also admitted that Wraith is faster and stronger than him. Let me see the appear behind ft you're talking about.

So ignoring my post, lol.

N52 was weakened. DS faced Earth Prime Superman AND KC Superman flailing their fists on him and he didn't even notice them.

Not sure what the rest of your post has to do with anything, apart from you failing at making a bait thread yet again

Is that Darkseid canon to the Darkseid we know of? I thought that was an alternate Universe? Also, again, I would like to see the appear behind showing you're talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that Darkseid canon to the Darkseid we know of? I thought that was an alternate Universe? Also, again, I would like to see the appear behind showing you're talking about.

Erm....Darkseid is multiversal. So you have nothing?

I've got the scans ready, I'm just waiting to see how you try and wriggle out.

No amped up Darkseid here. I literally said no gimmicks.

Never said he was amped?

Wtf lol, are you ok? Is this another n52/ Suicide Squad thing where you're confusing yourself?

So who wins? Show me those showings that gives Darkseid the edge.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Darkseid. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Darkseid has better feats. Wraith faced n52 Superman who was weakened (I'm sure you know this).

DS casually walked around whilst Earth Prime Superman AND Kingdom Come Superman were trying to blitz him, and he didn't even care.

DS also moved so fast he disappeared from Superman's view and appeared behind him like WW did in Sacrifice, only Superman wasn't mind controlled at the time.

Insane showings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here: https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=341291&pagenumber=3

Also:



Remember that argument you had?

https://i.imgur.com/GuTY3nm.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/n60MJXc.jpeg

Superman isn't mind-controlled here.

Aaahhhh, he threw rocks at Superman and then jumped behind him. Gotcha. Wraith stomps. He broke Superman ribs in a single attack and is faster than Superman. Stronger as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Aaahhhh, he threw rocks at Superman and then jumped behind him. Gotcha. Wraith stomps. He broke Superman ribs in a single attack and is faster than Superman. Stronger as well.

So....you are not being consistent then, with WW? You fell for the trap.

As for DS, this you? Be consistent!

Originally posted by carver9
He recently did this. Main stream Superman and KC Superman was punching him and it did absolutely nothing. I don't even think that's his best scene in the comic. Him slapping aside Flash effortlessly is the better showing imo.

Here's the scene...

https://screenrant.com/darkseid-more-powerful-superman-justice-league/

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/bmsmwf_24_preview-2.jpg

Wraith fought N52 Superman, who was weaker than Rebirth. Sorry, try harder next time

Wonder Woman didn't throw rocks at Superman and disappear. She didn't have to use something to gain an advantage. She did it under her own power. When did that version of Darkseid become canon?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman didn't throw rocks at Superman and disappear. She didn't have to use something to gain an advantage. She did it under her own power. When did that version of Darkseid become canon?

Is that not YOU using that version of Darkseid? You tell me, oh smart one

I'm not the one who used him as canon in threads first am I?

I don't use alternate versions of Darkseid in my threads unless stated otherwise. So you admit Darkseid doesn't stand a chance?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't use alternate versions of Darkseid in my threads unless stated otherwise. So you admit Darkseid doesn't stand a chance?

I quoted YOU , YOUUUUU lmao using that DS. Are you already drunk this early on a Sunday, or was it a really late night?

Where did I use that Darkseid?

Can you not see where I quoted you??? Scroll up and read posts before you type lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Darkseid has better feats. Wraith faced n52 Superman who was weakened (I'm sure you know this).

DS casually walked around whilst Earth Prime Superman AND Kingdom Come Superman were trying to blitz him, and he didn't even care.

DS also moved so fast he disappeared from Superman's view and appeared behind him like WW did in Sacrifice, only Superman wasn't mind controlled at the time.

Insane showings.

This is where that version of Darkseid was first mentioned. THIS is when I started asking you why you're mentioning an alternate Universe Darkseid. So I'm going to ask yet again, where did I FIRST MENTION THIS DARKSEID AS THE ONE BEING USED IN THIS THREAD?

...I didn't say it was in THIS thread, did I

In other threads, you're perfectly happy using it, was my point.

🤦🏿... let's stay in this thread. Thanks. Wraith stomps

Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿... let's stay in this thread. Thanks. Wraith stomps

So you're hypocritical and change when it suits you? Troll.

Anyway, the 4th World is outside of the DC Multiverse:
https://i.postimg.cc/T2s9B39p/Map.webp

The DS that comes into Earth is THE Darkseid. Apokolips/New Genesis exist outside of Earth-22 (Kingdom Come) etc.

Confirmed by the writer as well, not that it's needed because DC have already made it canon that the 4th world is outside of the Multiverse.

Again, not needed, but I thought you might like it:
https://i.postimg.cc/PJvmd14N/Darkseid.jpg

I am NOT relying on writer interviews, btw - before you jump in all hoity-toity. I am saying that as per the map, Apokolips/New Genesis etc are canonically outside of the Multiverse, and there is only one Apokolips. Only one DS.

source, if you feel like reading lol: https://www.gamesradar.com/mark-waid-gives-darkseid-his-most-badass-moment-in-years-in-batmansuperman-worlds-finest-24/

And he treated the heroes like feebs.

Just in case you doubt me (lol):

The comic itself references the map above:

https://i.postimg.cc/JhmVJqHV/1.png

Showing how Apokolips is outside of the Multiverse.

It even explicitly says it:

https://i.postimg.cc/R0RrTHw3/2.png

And again (lol):
https://i.postimg.cc/Qtx2Ydqf/3.png

In Waid's mind, the 4th World is outside of the Multiverse, and he wrote it accordingly. There is no 'Kingdom come/Earth-22 Darkseid', or 'Earth-7 Darkseid' etc, because there is no Apokolips IN the Multiverse - Apokolips is outside of it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just in case you doubt me (lol):

The comic itself references the map above:

https://i.postimg.cc/JhmVJqHV/1.png

Showing how Apokolips is outside of the Multiverse.

It even explicitly says it:

https://i.postimg.cc/R0RrTHw3/2.png

And again (lol):
https://i.postimg.cc/Qtx2Ydqf/3.png

In Waid's mind, the 4th World is outside of the Multiverse, and he wrote it accordingly. There is no 'Kingdom come/Earth-22 Darkseid', or 'Earth-7 Darkseid' etc, because there is no Apokolips IN the Multiverse - Apokolips is outside of it.
Also, the fact that Prime Earth Superman mentioned he fought the Darkseid(whom Gog wanted to go against) and he has been to Apokolips(the place Gog wanted to march to) further cemented the notion
https://ibb.co/tCtrz8z

Spectrums flies into his eyes and into his brain, what happens?

Did you get the threads mixed up?

Yes.

And what about this thread, did you get the scans mixed up?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=688407&pagenumber=36#post17743424

Hoity toity🤣

this thread.....can a thread be closed on account of sheer idiocy?

How does Darkseid get past Wraith speed, though?

Originally posted by Smurph


And what about this thread, did you get the scans mixed up?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=688407&pagenumber=36#post17743424

And what about this thread, did you get the scans mixed up?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=688407&pagenumber=36#post17743424

Also,, speed? He can just stand there and let Wraith exhaust himself, he's durable enough to literally no sell two Supermen trying their best to stop him.

Not that it matters, because his best feat as per Carver (lol) was casually backhanding a Flash who was tryyto blitz him. He was also casually stopping an attempted blitz by WW, before casually oneshotting her.

Amazing thread, Carv.

Wraith is stronger than the strongest version of Superman we've ever seen on panel.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith is stronger than the strongest version of Superman we've ever seen on panel.
New 52 Superman was canonically weaker than even the weakened Rebirth Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith is stronger than the strongest version of Superman we've ever seen on panel.

So ignoring my post? Lol your thread has really backfired on you hasn't it

Originally posted by abhilegend
New 52 Superman was canonically weaker than even the weakened Rebirth Superman.

Looking at fts, that's a lie.

Rebirth shattered a planet whilst pretty much at deaths door.

All missing the point, of course. How much stronger is N52 Superman, IYo? And how much stronger than KC Superman and Rebirth Superman, COMBINED, is N52 Superman?

Because Darkseid didn't even flinch from the two of them COMBINED. Not even a head movement, lol.

Based off pure fts, Rebirth Superman is nowhere near New 52 Superman. The only Superman to date that is even close to this version of Superman is Pre Crisis, and that's looking directly at ft. I don't know why you keep bringing up that lame a** 6th dimension ft, especially pitting it against New 52 Supes. They probably did combine but current Supes has nothing close to his showings and appear to be weaker.

Post the five best N52 Superman feats, and prove that Superman shattering the planet whilst dying is nowhere near them

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And what about this thread, did you get the scans mixed up?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=688407&pagenumber=36#post17743424

Also, this.

You know I will keep on at this, Carvy!

How big was that tiny planet he shattered but not destroyed?

Step by step, you know I will force feed you lmao.

Firstly:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And what about this thread, did you get the scans mixed up?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=688407&pagenumber=36#post17743424

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith is stronger than the strongest version of Superman we've ever seen on panel. the premise of this thread was so he can say this.

Originally posted by carver9
Looking at fts, that's a lie.
What feats does Wraith have to show he's stronger than Superman? He gets more energy from the sun and that's how he's stronger than Superman.

https://imgur.com/ylMWkS1.jpg

Same thing was stated for Rebirth Superman who was weakened.

https://i.ibb.co/D724Zk5/ucx-AQq-X9-Pux-F6-Mc7-ZRFng-W8-Ll-Tg-GYR8-ZHz-A7-ST1-Eqb5-Ykyb-K8-FURSMZAIGSJ2y7br-BWar-CAZad-FS-s16.jpg

Carver will reply that he is only looking at feats, abhi. So we need to first understand his viewpoint.

Carver, in your answer to abhi, please list the top 5 n52 strength feats, please.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What feats does Wraith have to show he's stronger than Superman? He gets more energy from the sun and that's how he's stronger than Superman.

https://imgur.com/ylMWkS1.jpg

Same thing was stated for Rebirth Superman who was weakened.

https://i.ibb.co/D724Zk5/ucx-AQq-X9-Pux-F6-Mc7-ZRFng-W8-Ll-Tg-GYR8-ZHz-A7-ST1-Eqb5-Ykyb-K8-FURSMZAIGSJ2y7br-BWar-CAZad-FS-s16.jpg

Ignoring the fact that he broke Superman bones in a single hit, this...

https://i.ibb.co/yYRWNbW/ZaZCTXc.jpg

So statements? Abhi asked for feats, O Carveriffic one.

WW said that Flash was an indistinct blur to her.

Where are the top 5 n52 Superman strength feats? Do you not have them, or do you only read respect threads?

Lol...statements, him treating Superman like fodder and Superman having to weaken him to stand a chance and again, break his ribs, easily. What more do you want? Him bench pressing earth? Your entire debating style lately has been garbage.

Originally posted by carver9
Ignoring the fact that he broke Superman bones in a single hit, this...

https://i.ibb.co/yYRWNbW/ZaZCTXc.jpg
Those aren't feats, just statements lol. Just like the statement for Rebirth Superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Those aren't feats, just statements lol. Just like the statement for Rebirth Superman.

You already know his fts. Tossing Superman out like trash and breaking his ribs like he is a low Herald. Wonder Woman fts piss on Mongul but you all sure did have an easy time ignoring them just to give Mongul an edge.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...statements, him treating Superman like fodder and Superman having to weaken him to stand a chance and again, break his ribs, easily. What more do you want? Him bench pressing earth? Your entire debating style lately has been garbage.

If the style is 'garbage', it is only because I am parroting your own style back at you, lmao.

In one thread, you ignore WW's statements.

In THIS thread, you jizz all over Superman's statements.

You are being hypocritical.

Once Wraith had none of his more fancy powers, Superman beat him up:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJ6qzHmC/1.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/Gt32yts0/2.jpg

In Superman's words, without his special powers, just using his speed and strength, they're evenly matched.

Lemme guess though, Superman's words don't count?

And again, for like the 4th time asking - name the top 5 n52 Superman feats that make you say Rebirth is nowehere near him.

Originally posted by carver9
and Superman having to weaken him to stand a chance
Didn't the core of the Earth only affected Wraith's magnetic powers? And Superman beats Wraith once Wraith's extra powers are nullified(I.E, Superman actually overpowers Wraith in a fist fight)
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb
https://ibb.co/8jbbXL7
https://ibb.co/F05Fg96
https://ibb.co/Gxz79w4
https://ibb.co/cw5gf5k
https://ibb.co/DGfpt2b
https://ibb.co/1094nd7

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't the core of the Earth only affected Wraith's magnetic powers? And Superman beats Wraith once Wraith's extra powers are nullified(I.E, Superman actually overpowers Wraith in a fist fight)
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb
https://ibb.co/8jbbXL7
https://ibb.co/F05Fg96
https://ibb.co/Gxz79w4
https://ibb.co/cw5gf5k
https://ibb.co/DGfpt2b
https://ibb.co/1094nd7

Just to note that Superman is weakened here, too. So a weakened, not at 100% Superman, beat the crap out of Wraith despite Wraith having all of his strength and speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If the style is 'garbage', it is only because I am parroting your own style back at you, lmao.

In one thread, you ignore WW's statements.

In THIS thread, you jizz all over Superman's statements.

You are being hypocritical.

Once Wraith had none of his more fancy powers, Superman beat him up:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJ6qzHmC/1.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/Gt32yts0/2.jpg

In Superman's words, without his special powers, just using his speed and strength, they're evenly matched.

Lemme guess though, Superman's words don't count?

And again, for like the 4th time asking - name the top 5 n52 Superman feats that make you say Rebirth is nowehere near him.
It so funny that Carver chooses to create a fist fight situation, which is where Superman defeated Wraith, and wants to argue that Wraith is stronger than Superman

Meanwhile, just to remind people what Darkseid did:

https://i.postimg.cc/XY74nt6J/Durability.png

n52 Superman is stronger than Rebirth? Even assuming IF IF IF he is (which carver keeps running away from), is he stronger than Rebirth and KC Superman COMBINED?

And then, and then, even IF IF IF he is (lol), he would have to be significantly stronger than the two, COMBINED. Because the two Supermen COMBINED weren't even making DS flinch. He was literally no-selling them. If IF IF Rebirth Superman is 100, KC is 110, then n52 Superman/Wraith would have to be 300-350 just to fight DS, lol. They can't *just* be stronger than Rebirth+KC, they have to be significantly stronger than them.

Great thread, Carvy. Now go ahead and prove that n52 Superman/Wraith are significantly stronger than those two Supermen combined, without statements (because with statements, it looks even worse for you). Statements are all well and good, but we saw what the results were - Wraith, without his fancier powers, was beaten by Superman.

Unless a weaker, slower Superman beat a stronger, faster Wraith? ABC logic suddenly doesn't work now, or does it?

Where did Superman say they are evenly matched.? He said it's a fair fight. Superman just out fought him. Wraith didn't use any fancy powers on Superman, he physically beat on him.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't the core of the Earth only affected Wraith's magnetic powers? And Superman beats Wraith once Wraith's extra powers are nullified(I.E, Superman actually overpowers Wraith in a fist fight)
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb
https://ibb.co/8jbbXL7
https://ibb.co/F05Fg96
https://ibb.co/Gxz79w4
https://ibb.co/cw5gf5k
https://ibb.co/DGfpt2b
https://ibb.co/1094nd7

He couldn't do that when Wraith had his full powers. Wraith even fell to the ground which pretty much shows more was at play there. He was weakened.

Originally posted by carver9
Where did Superman say they are evenly matched.? He said it's a fair fight. Superman just out fought him. Wraith didn't use any fancy powers on Superman, he physically beat on him.

Gotcha. So you are admitting another issue for Wraith in this fistfight - he's shit at fighting lmao.

I paraphrased, admittedly - he did say it was a fair fight, now that Wraith had only his strength/speed/wits.

Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't do that when Wraith had his full powers. Wraith even fell to the ground which pretty much shows more was at play there. He was weakened.

His strength/speed/wits weren't affected. Says so on panel.

Or are Superman's words not allowed now?

Originally posted by carver9
Where did Superman say they are evenly matched.? He said it's a fair fight. Superman just out fought him. Wraith didn't use any fancy powers on Superman, he physically beat on him.
Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't do that when Wraith had his full powers. Wraith even fell to the ground which pretty much shows more was at play there. He was weakened.
He doesn't have his fancy powers, only his physical powers(strength, speed). And in this situation(I.E, a fist fight), Superman physically beats him as you admitted

And in this thread, you specifically asked for a fist fight without gimmicks
Originally posted by carver9
This is a fist fight only. No gimmicks!!!

Here, DS catches a bloodlusted WW's blade and GL's construct in his bare hands, shatters them casually, then one-shots both of them at the same time:
https://i.postimg.cc/mkJCT7tZ/WWGL.png

Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.

https://i.ibb.co/M2xW9W2/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-umetm5yjlwsd1.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He doesn't have his fancy powers, only his physical powers(strength, speed). And in this situation(I.E, a fist fight), Superman physically beats him as you admitted

And in this thread, you specifically asked for a fist fight without gimmicks

We clearly see him talking to his knees and Superman attacking him repeatedly after that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here, DS catches a bloodlusted WW's blade and GL's construct in his bare hands, shatters them casually, then one-shots both of them at the same time:
https://i.postimg.cc/mkJCT7tZ/WWGL.png

Alternate universe Wonder Woman. You're better than this.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.



He has 'some type of augmenting abilities'? What do you mean, and please provide proof of this!

This thread is gold lmao. So what abilities can Wraith use in the fistfight, pray tell?

Originally posted by carver9
Alternate universe Wonder Woman. You're better than this.

I never said otherwise? I was pointing out that he caught a bloodlusted WW's blade in his bare hands (a durability and speed feat - you try catching a sword in your bare hands lol), casually shattered it (a strength feat) and then one shot them (true, Kingdom Come WW probably has no durability feats...or does she)?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Meanwhile, just to remind people what Darkseid did:

https://i.postimg.cc/XY74nt6J/Durability.png

n52 Superman is stronger than Rebirth? Even assuming IF IF IF he is (which carver keeps running away from), is he stronger than Rebirth and KC Superman COMBINED?

And then, and then, even IF IF IF he is (lol), he would have to be significantly stronger than the two, COMBINED. Because the two Supermen COMBINED weren't even making DS flinch. He was literally no-selling them. If IF IF Rebirth Superman is 100, KC is 110, then n52 Superman/Wraith would have to be 300-350 just to fight DS, lol. They can't *just* be stronger than Rebirth+KC, they have to be significantly stronger than them.

Great thread, Carvy. Now go ahead and prove that n52 Superman/Wraith are significantly stronger than those two Supermen combined, without statements (because with statements, it looks even worse for you). Statements are all well and good, but we saw what the results were - Wraith, without his fancier powers, was beaten by Superman.

Unless a weaker, slower Superman beat a stronger, faster Wraith? ABC logic suddenly doesn't work now, or does it?

Just so you don't miss this, cowardly hypocrite

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.

https://i.ibb.co/M2xW9W2/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-umetm5yjlwsd1.jpg
Wasn't Wraith being overpowered by Superman before he used Kryptonite radiation? Like, just before the scan you posted, Wraith literally exposes Superman to Kryptonite radiation
https://ibb.co/SJNW21R
https://ibb.co/FJ6CpVF
https://ibb.co/5YgsNc4

Originally posted by carver9
We clearly see him talking to his knees and Superman attacking him repeatedly after that.
And we clearly see Wraith pulled a Kryptonite trick before that.
So if you want to argue who is weakened more, then Superman literally just got his Kryptonite before this fight

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I never said otherwise? I was pointing out that he caught a bloodlusted WW's blade in his bare hands (a durability and speed feat - you try catching a sword in your bare hands lol), casually shattered it (a strength feat) and then one shot them (true, Kingdom Come WW probably has no durability feats...or does she)?

The ft is trash when you factor in them being alternate characters.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wasn't Wraith being overpowered by Superman before he used Kryptonite radiation? Like, just before the scan you posted, Wraith literally exposes Superman to Kryptonite radiation
https://ibb.co/SJNW21R
https://ibb.co/FJ6CpVF
https://ibb.co/5YgsNc4

I wouldn't call that overpowering. Wraith was toying with him

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't call that overpowering. Wraith was toying with him
Do you get the proofs about your claims?
I mean just pages later, Superman defeats Wraith once they only get their strength and speed and wits/no fancy powers like Kryptonite radiation

Originally posted by carver9
The ft is trash when you factor in them being alternate characters.

Well, a certain smart poster said this:

Originally posted by carver9
He recently did this. Main stream Superman and KC Superman was punching him and it did absolutely nothing. I don't even think that's his best scene in the comic. Him slapping aside Flash effortlessly is the better showing imo.

Here's the scene...

https://screenrant.com/darkseid-more-powerful-superman-justice-league/

So....

https://i.postimg.cc/RZcKz699/Flash.png

Insane hand speeds there. DS casually backhanding a blitzing Flash without even looking at him.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Do you get the proofs about your claims?
I mean just pages later, Superman defeats Wraith once they only get their strength and speed and wits/no fancy powers like Kryptonite radiation

Yes, after breaking his ribs, he tells Superman he is can have a minute or two to recoup. Lol... That doesn't sound like someone that is taking the fight serious...

https://i.ibb.co/smyz3X8/n8cml4O.jpg

He also no sold black hole bullets that had Superman bleeding from the head...

https://i.ibb.co/0DSP6Ly/3En0QHL.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, after breaking his ribs, he tells Superman he is can have a minute or two to recoup. Lol... That doesn't sound like someone that is taking the fight serious...

https://i.ibb.co/smyz3X8/n8cml4O.jpg
That's before Superman punched him to the Moon, where then Superman says he was fading and Wraith resorted to Kryptonite, no?

Also, care to explain how Superman can beat Wraith in a fist fight like pages after?

Originally posted by carver9
He also no sold black hole bullets that had Superman bleeding from the head...


DS shouldn't fire his black hole bullets, then.

At the end of the day, what's the summary here? That Wraith is more durable/stronger/faster than n52 Superman, who in turn is.....signifcantly stronger than Rebirth Superman and KC Superman combined?

N52 Superman then turning around and fighting Wraith when all his fancier powers were turned off, and beating him when only strength/speed/wits remained, kinda shows statements don't mean much. Sure, he broke Superman's ribs when he had his fancy powers, but it shows he didn't do it on pure strength alone (otherwise, well, he would've done the same to a Superman who was already injured).

And at the end of the day, DS still just walked casually through a barrage of desperate blows from two Supermen, without even flinching. Casually backhanded a speeding Flash attempting to blitz, without even looking at him. You cannot deny this, carver.

Darkseid stomps here. Wraith being stronger than n52 Superman (based on statements, otherwise Carver is forced to admit the fight was PIS since a slower/weaker Superman defeated Wraith) doesn't mean anything, unless he can show Wraith being SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than two Supermen.

And he can't.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's before Superman punched him to the Moon, where then Superman says he was fading and Wraith resorted to Kryptonite, no?

Also, care to explain how Superman can beat Wraith in a fist fight like pages after?

He was literally toying with him. I don't know what made you think he just stopped all of a sudden. He didn't see Superman as a threat.

Why is he in pain here?

https://i.ibb.co/82RX6tw/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-02wagn0llwsd1.jpg

Why is he powerless to the point of being unable to escape this area?

https://i.ibb.co/ry4pXRF/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-18y2ycwqlwsd1.jpg

He was weakened. Even playing field, Superman was nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
Why is he powerless to the point of being unable to escape this area?



He was weakened. Even playing field, Superman was nothing.


He was unable to escape because he was KOd, Carv.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DS shouldn't fire his black hole bullets, then.

At the end of the day, what's the summary here? That Wraith is more durable/stronger/faster than n52 Superman, who in turn is.....signifcantly stronger than Rebirth Superman and KC Superman combined?

N52 Superman then turning around and fighting Wraith when all his fancier powers were turned off, and beating him when only strength/speed/wits remained, kinda shows statements don't mean much. Sure, he broke Superman's ribs when he had his fancy powers, but it shows he didn't do it on pure strength alone (otherwise, well, he would've done the same to a Superman who was already injured).

And at the end of the day, DS still just walked casually through a barrage of desperate blows from two Supermen, without even flinching. Casually backhanded a speeding Flash attempting to blitz, without even looking at him. You cannot deny this, carver.

Darkseid stomps here. Wraith being stronger than n52 Superman (based on statements, otherwise Carver is forced to admit the fight was PIS since a slower/weaker Superman defeated Wraith) doesn't mean anything, unless he can show Wraith being SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than two Supermen.

And he can't.

Darkseid, he PHYSICALLY broke his rib. He didn't use any fancy powers to do that. Do you have anything comparable to that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was unable to escape because he was KOd, Carv.

He's still there. I'm guessing he is still koed? Nothing points to him escaping and Superman even states he will remain down there.

Darkseid, no diff.

Originally posted by carver9
He's still there. I'm guessing he is still koed? Nothing points to him escaping and Superman even states he will remain down there.

What do you mean he is still there?

Originally posted by carver9

Why is he in pain here?

Because he suddenly lost his fancy powers(but not his other physical powers)?
Originally posted by carver9


Why is he powerless to the point of being unable to escape this area?

Because he was koed by Superman?

@Dark


I think he is in earths core. Did we receive anything confirming him not being there?

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid, he PHYSICALLY broke his rib. He didn't use any fancy powers to do that. Do you have anything comparable to that?
Except Kryptonite radiation you mean

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because he suddenly lost his fancy powers(but not his other physical powers)?

Because he was koed by Superman?

So he was hurt? He was holding his chest the page after that.

So he's still koed after all of this time?

Originally posted by carver9
He's still there. I'm guessing he is still koed? Nothing points to him escaping and Superman even states he will remain down there.
If someone punched you down at your home, and you can't get up because the beating you get, it doesn't mean your house is weakening you

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except Kryptonite radiation you mean

This is where Wraith broke 2 ribs. Show me proof kryptonite was used here. Maybe you should read the comic again...

https://i.ibb.co/0fmgqgz/FB-IMG-1736871639532.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
So he was hurt? He was holding his chest the page after that.

So he's still koed after all of this time?
No, why would you say that? He is uncomfortable because he lost his fancy powers

Yes, what proofs do you have for otherwise?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If someone punched you down at your home, and you can't get up because the beating you get, it doesn't mean your house is weakening you

Lol... No. He's down there because he weakened. Someone with his strength and speed should EASILY be able to escape from there.

Originally posted by carver9
This is where Wraith broke 2 ribs. Show me proof kryptonite was used here. Maybe you should read the comic again...

https://i.ibb.co/0fmgqgz/FB-IMG-1736871639532.jpg
Didn't just before the scan you posted, the Wraith used his fancy powers(controlling EM)?
https://ibb.co/8cLwW4V
https://ibb.co/Lg6p5dw

So even in this instance, he still resorts to use his fancy powers
And later, he used Kryptonite radiation to do so(still not entirely physical powers)
https://ibb.co/5YgsNc4
https://ibb.co/61m0p6T

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... No. He's down there because he weakened. Someone with his strength and speed should EASILY be able to escape from there.
Proofs of that? I mean the comic literally states they still get their strength and speed
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark


I think he is in earths core. Did we receive anything confirming him not being there?

Yeah, the next issue has him in space.
https://i.postimg.cc/N0Q9vQQz/Space.png.

Am I reading something wrong??

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... No. He's down there because he weakened. Someone with his strength and speed should EASILY be able to escape from there.

Yeah, once he wakes up from the beating Superman gave him, sure.

Carver.....did you actually read the comic or are you just relying on respect threads?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't just before the scan you posted, the Wraith used his fancy powers(controlling EM)?
https://ibb.co/8cLwW4V
https://ibb.co/Lg6p5dw

So even in this instance, he still resorts to use his fancy powers
And later, he used Kryptonite radiation to do so(still not entirely physical powers)
https://ibb.co/5YgsNc4
https://ibb.co/61m0p6T

No fancy powers were used

Carver if you need to flee this thread, you could run back to the Zod thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, you haven't read the comic. This is the scene before that 🤦🏿...

https://i.ibb.co/6cK0Cs4/FB-IMG-1736873115667.jpg

What's fancy about the above?
Yes, the scene I posted in the post you quoted
And in the scan you posted, Wraith literally says(after exploding the ship with his fancy powers):
"But the key is learning to use that charge to absorb and control the Electromagnetic energy all around us"

And Superman replied with "nice trick"

Edit:
Since it seems you edited your quote, so here is a further reply
Originally posted by carver9
No fancy powers were used
Both times Wraith used fancy powers/controlling EM.
It spelled out Wraith used EM abilities in the first scene
It spelled out Wraith mimicked Kryptonite radiation in the second scene

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, the scene I posted in the post you quoted
And in the scan you posted, Wraith literally says(after exploding the ship with his fancy powers):
"But the key is learning to use that charge to absorb and control the Electromagnetic energy all around us"

And Superman replied with "nice trick"

Is that where Superman got his rib cracked?

Originally posted by carver9
He's still there. I'm guessing he is still koed? Nothing points to him escaping and Superman even states he will remain down there.

Have we moved on from this, or is Carv hoping it wasn't picked up?

Originally posted by carver9
Is that where Superman got his rib cracked?
Yes...it literally is in the same sequence

Also again
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Proofs of that? I mean the comic literally states they still get their strength and speed
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, the next issue has him in space.
https://i.postimg.cc/N0Q9vQQz/Space.png.

Am I reading something wrong??



Yeah, once he wakes up from the beating Superman gave him, sure.

Carver.....did you actually read the comic or are you just relying on respect threads?

I think Carver has been KOd for the day

DS (85) wins. Again.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes...it literally is in the same sequence

Also again

So he was hit kryptonite when he got his ribbon cracked the first time? Prove it.

Good find Dark. Still doesn't take away from the things I've said.

Originally posted by carver9
So he was hit kryptonite when he got his ribbon cracked the first time? Prove it.
Prove it's purely physical/no fancy powers involved(as you *are* the one who made the claim)
As the comic shows, both scenes Wraith used his extra powers/not physical powers to fight Superman

Also, proving the claim about the Earth core weakening Wraith's strength and speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Good find Dark. Still doesn't take away from the things I've said.
Lol, no.
You claimed Wraith couldn't leave the Earth core because it's weakening his physical powers
Originally posted by carver9

Why is he powerless to the point of being unable to escape this area?

https://i.ibb.co/ry4pXRF/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-18y2ycwqlwsd1.jpg

He was weakened. Even playing field, Superman was nothing.
Originally posted by carver9
@Dark


I think he is in earths core. Did we receive anything confirming him not being there?
And DS and I pointed out he couldn't leave simply because he was koed by Superman
Once he woke up, he came to outer space.
So your entire he was physically weakened in Earth core because he didn't leave that place is wrong(in many different aspects)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was unable to escape because he was KOd, Carv.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Because he was koed by Superman?

He grabs him, slams him to the ground, slams him again and again and toss him into some mountains which results in his ribs being broken afterwards.

https://i.ibb.co/PMBy2bW/71.jpg

Is that not physical? If not, what do you call it?

Originally posted by carver9
Good find Dark. Still doesn't take away from the things I've said.

Lmao how does it not?

Also, didn't you say previously he had 'augmenting powers ' (lol)? Where do we see these 'augmenting powers', because the evidence for them is even shakier than Wraith using Kryptonite and/or EM powers

Originally posted by carver9
He grabs him, slams him to thr ground, slams him again and again and toss him into some mountains which results in his ribs being broken afterwards.

https://i.ibb.co/PMBy2bW/71.jpg

Is that not physical? If not, what do you call it?
Like before he did all this, he manipulated EM to explode and resulted some damage to Superman(that's why he was lying down on the page you posted)?
https://ibb.co/8cLwW4V
https://ibb.co/Lg6p5dw

And that isn't getting into the point when Wraith getting physically overpowered by Superman, he again used his EM powers to mimick Kryptonite so he could fight back

Also, lol at 'Good find'.
It's literally the next issue, and is how it ends. You didn't read the comic at all, did you lmao, you just skim respect threads. Did you not think hmmm that's a strange ending, Superman just left him there and he's still there, depowered lol at the center of the earth???

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like before he did all this, he manipulated EM to explode and resulted some damage to Superman(that's why he was lying down on the page you posted)?
https://ibb.co/8cLwW4V
https://ibb.co/Lg6p5dw

And that isn't getting into the point when Wraith getting physically overpowered by Superman, he again used his EM powers to mimick Kryptonite so he could fight back

He used the ship, and if that's what it takes to break Superman ribs, then that is pretty freaking laughable. Can you show me anything in that scene that reference Superman ribs being softened during that scene or weakening him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, lol at 'Good find'.
It's literally the next issue, and is how it ends. You didn't read the comic at all, did you lmao, you just skim respect threads. Did you not think hmmm that's a strange ending, Superman just left him there and he's still there, depowered lol at the center of the earth???

Who hasn't read unchained? That sh** is over 10 years old. I forgot about issue number 9. I thought it stopped at 8.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao how does it not?

Also, didn't you say previously he had 'augmenting powers ' (lol)? Where do we see these 'augmenting powers', because the evidence for them is even shakier than Wraith using Kryptonite and/or EM powers

His powers are obviously complete including his strength and speed when he is at 100% power. The guy was in pain during the onset of his fight with Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
He used the ship, and if that's what it takes to break Superman ribs, then that is pretty freaking laughable. Can you show me anything in that scene that reference Superman ribs being softened during that scene or weakening him.
So he used his extra powers to do some damages on Superman, yes?
Can you show mw where does the comic say Wraith broke Superman's ribs purely due to his physical powers?
As the comic clearly shows this scene involves more than just his physical powers and again you *are* the one made a claim that Wraith didn't use fancy powers in there

Originally posted by carver9
His powers are obviously complete including his strength and speed when he is at 100% power. The guy was in pain during the onset of his fight with Superman.
The uncomfortable Wraith feels in the Earth core can be easily explained as Wraith is uncomfortable because he lost his fancy powers in there, but the strength and spend remain(as it told in the comic)

Originally posted by carver9
You already know his fts. Tossing Superman out like trash and breaking his ribs like he is a low Herald. Wonder Woman fts piss on Mongul but you all sure did have an easy time ignoring them just to give Mongul an edge.
Superman beat the crap out of him once they were on equal grounds and Wraith had to use kryptonite to get away from him.

Originally posted by carver9
Who hasn't read unchained? That sh** is over 10 years old. I forgot about issue number 9. I thought it stopped at 8.

Sounds like you never read the series, tbh. It's literally how it ends.

It's like watching Lord of the rings and thinking they're still walking to Mordor for eternity lmao.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't the core of the Earth only affected Wraith's magnetic powers? And Superman beats Wraith once Wraith's extra powers are nullified(I.E, Superman actually overpowers Wraith in a fist fight)
https://ibb.co/4P33dcb
https://ibb.co/8jbbXL7
https://ibb.co/F05Fg96
https://ibb.co/Gxz79w4
https://ibb.co/cw5gf5k
https://ibb.co/DGfpt2b
https://ibb.co/1094nd7

Originally posted by carver9
He couldn't do that when Wraith had his full powers. Wraith even fell to the ground which pretty much shows more was at play there. He was weakened.

Originally posted by carver9
Wraith isnt falling to his knees in pain in this fight and he has all of his abilities as well even though this is a fist fight. It seems that Wraith has some type of augmenting abilities. I also forgot to post that he broke another rib.

https://i.ibb.co/M2xW9W2/this-fight-is-totally-awesome-superman-kicking-wraiths-a-v0-umetm5yjlwsd1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
We clearly see him talking to his knees and Superman attacking him repeatedly after that.

Lmao Superman is using his cape to choke Wraith, like in Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu where you use your opponent's gi to choke them, or the same principle being applied to self defense training of using your enemy's hoodie to choke them. This isn't he's being weakened from the environment the way you're (failing) arguing. And before you start ranting about suffocating, look up blood chokes.