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my guardians of the globe roster-
invincible
omni-man
battle beast
space racer
allen the alien
robot
brit

*all at their peak.


your goal is to create a team of 7 characters (herald tier and below) who can beat my team. no tp or bfr.


**bonus round**
thragg and conquest are added to my roster.

hulk
thor
sentry
hyperion

don't even need 7 members

space racer would probably blast all of them in half tbh.

Flashes(Barry and Wally) are heralds, no?
So Flashes(Barry and Wally) + Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner) + Mon-El + Majestic seems to be very safe team to overcome the Guardians

Though not sure it's the weakest(probably not)

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Flashes(Barry and Wally) + Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner) you're gonna have a hard time convincing me these guys aren't at least trans tier these days.

Hmm. A stacked team, plenty of brute force and physical attacks, to be sure.

My team:
Cassandra Nova
Lobo
Constantine
The Atom
Ambrose Chase
Fantomex
Invisible Woman

Misdirection (that works on machines), shields, time-slowing, magic, telepathy (in a body that can easily heal itself), internal attacks...and Lobo.

Edit: no TP. That's ok, swap Cassandra out for....Deadman.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you're gonna have a hard time convincing me these guys aren't at least trans tier these days.
I just went by the tier thread. Granted it hasn't been updated for a long time
Originally posted by Galan007
The Master List (2/4)



Tier 3 - Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Annihilus (/w/ CCR), Asmodel, Atrocitus, Brimstone, Cyborg Superman, Despero, Doomsday (DOS), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Firestorm, Flash (Barry Allen, Wally West, Bart Allen), Genis-Vell, Godspeed, Grail, Grand Regent Thragg, Green Lanterns (Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner), Helspont, Imperiex Probes, John Constantine, Majestic, Maxima, Obsidian, Orion, Plutonian, Quasar, Qztr, Sentry (no Void), Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Starbrand, Starro the Conqueror, Talisman, Thor, The Weird, Ultraman, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Zod, Zoom (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Abra Kadabra, Alexander Nero, Apocalypse, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Battle Beast, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Blue Marvel, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cassandra Nova, Cheetah, Citizen Steel, Conquest, Count Nefaria, Damage, Damien Hellstrom, Dr. Doom, Eradicator (non-Fortress Mode), Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, The General (Shaggy Man), Gladiator, Graviton, Grayven, Green Lanterns (Guy Gardner, Icon (Milestone), Jessica Cruz, John Stewart, Katma, Kilowog, Simon Baz, Sodam Yat), Hulk, Hyperion, Invincible, Juggernaut (Classic), Kang, Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Maestro, Magneto (616), Magus (Post-IG), Manchester Black, Mantis (New God), Martian Manhunter, Mon-El, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Spectrum), Moonstone (w/ both stones), Morg, Nate Grey, O.M.A.C., Omni-Man, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shadowman, Shaman, Skreet, Star Sapphire (Carol Ferris), Stardust, Supergirl, Supreme (original), Ultron, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), White Martians, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form)

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Angela, Animal Man, Apollo, Aquaman, Atlas (DC), The Atom, Big Barda, Blanque, Breach, Captain Comet, Cir-El, Coldcast, Cyborg, Darkness, Deadman, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Ebony Maw, Enchantress (DC), Enchantress (Marvel), Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firelord, Flash (Jay Garrick), Frankenstein (DC), Gammid, Gilgamesh, Godzilla, Gorilla Grodd, Granny Goodness, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Ikaris, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jericho, Jesse Quick, Kalibak, Killer Frost, King Hyperion, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magik, Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Metamorpho, Mirror Master, Morlun, Mr. M, Mr. Sinister, Nico Minoru, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Parasite, Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Proxima Midnight, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saint Walker, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, She-Hulk, Skaar, Skeletor, Snowbird, Solar (Gold Key), Solomon Grundy, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Super-Man (Kenan Kong), Superboy, Supergiant, Tempest, Terrax, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Union, Vision, Vulcan, Weapon H, Wendigo, Wiccan, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Can we choose the battlefield?

Aquarian
Zatanna


He slows down all incoming attacks.

She says "peelS".

Frankly, I feel like a lot of this hinges on Space Racer's gun. It fires beams that are "indestructible", "unstoppable", and can shoot through "anything"(including high-end Viltrumites, entire planets, and likely even stars ) like a hot knife through butter. Moreover, the beams themselves travel at least as fast as bloodlusted/high-end/all-out Viltrumites, who are massively FTL. In short, the beams are going to kill(or at the very least severely injure) any herald they hit, so taking out Space Racer first should be the opposing team's immediate priority.

The next weird variable for me is actually Invincible. OP says "peak", well Mark's peak was technically from the finale's 500 year time-skip. Mark was already approaching Thragg's level before the skip... And since Viltrumites only become more powerful as they age, EoS Mark, with his centuries of power-growth, would logically be well above the likes of even Thragg. That said, all we know about EoS Mark's power in the way of feats is that he was capable of beating EoS Allen without much discernible effort(and Allen should have also been far more powerful by that point, given his DB-esque zenkai/evolution gimmick)... Which is a huge feat by any metric.

And finally, there's Robot. I'm not exactly sure what 'peak' means for him, but some of his more advanced armors are nearly Thragg-level. He can also teleport, has shielding, has global technopathy, can instantaneously 'port legions of avatars/drones to his location(not sure if they'd be considered "standard equipment", though..?), etc. etc. Robot is like an amalgamation of Batman, Iron Man, and Luthor -- a cold and calculated super-genius/anti-hero who won't hesitate to kill, with contingency plans/gadgets/tech in place for almost any scenario.


The other GotG members are pretty straightforward:
Battle Beast ~ Thragg > Allen > Nolan ~ mean Supreme(haw-som) ~ Gladiator(haw-somhaw-som)... Then you have Brit, who is just really f*cking durable. The team is absolutely stacked physically, but the "no TP" stip was a wise decision.

Shadowcat, if she sneaks up on them whilst they're sleeping.
Forge with prep time.
Purple Man.
Amelia Voght, or Cloak. Either one can turn intangible.
Fantomex.
Mastermind.
Forget-Me-Not... with whatever weapon Forge comes up with.

I don't think Illusions or Misdirection count as TP?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
space racer would probably blast all of them in half tbh.

based on what feats?

Originally posted by Galan007
Moreover, the beams themselves travel at least as fast as bloodlusted/high-end/all-out Viltrumites, who are massively FTL. Since when?

Originally posted by Galan007
Frankly, I feel like a lot of this hinges on Space Racer's gun. His Infinity Ray fires beams that are "indestructible", "unstoppable", and can shoot through "anything"(including high-end Viltrumites, entire planets, and likely even stars ) like a hot knife through butter. Moreover, the beams themselves travel at least as fast as bloodlusted/high-end/all-out Viltrumites, who are massively FTL. In short, the beams are going to kill(or at the very least severely injure) any herald they hit, so taking out Space Racer first should be the opposing team's immediate priority.

The next weird variable for me is actually Invincible. OP says "peak", well Mark's peak was technically from the finale's 500 year time-skip. Mark was already approaching Thragg's level before the skip... And since Viltrumites only become more powerful as they age, EoS Mark, with his centuries of power-growth, would logically be well above the likes of even Thragg. That said, all we know about EoS Mark's power in the way of feats is that he was capable of beating EoS Allen without much discernible effort(and Allen should have also been far more powerful by that point, given his DB-esque zenkai/evolution gimmick)... Which is a huge feat by any metric.

And finally, there's Robot. I'm not exactly sure what 'peak' means for him, but some of his more advanced armors are nearly Thragg-level. He can also teleport, has shielding, has global technopathy, can instantaneously 'port legions of avatars/drones to his location(not sure if they'd be considered "standard equipment", though..?), etc. etc. Robot is like an amalgamation of Batman, Iron Man, and Luthor -- a cold and calculated super-genius/anti-hero who won't hesitate to kill, with contingency plans/gadgets/tech in place for almost any scenario.


The other GotG members are pretty straightforward:
Battle Beast ~ Thragg > Allen > Nolan ~ mean Supreme(haw-som) ~ Gladiator(haw-somhaw-som)... Then you have Brit, who is just really f*cking durable. The team is absolutely stacked physically, but the "no TP" stip was a wise decision.

So Deadman possesses Space Racer and shoots the others. Gotcha

Originally posted by LordGod
Since when? High-end Viltrumites have always had MFTL flight/travel speed.

Nolan, for example, flew from Earth to Thraxa within 1 week -- Thraxa is located in an entirely different galaxy called the Virgo super cluster, which is ~65 million light years away from Earth. That works out to him traveling around 3.3 billion times faster than light, iirc. {For what it's worth, Nolan's Handbook entry also corroborates that he can travel MFTL.}

...And Mark arguably has an even better feat. Nolan stated that the ship he and Mark were on was the fastest in the Coalition of Planets -- able to travel from Earth to Talescria(which is also in the Virgo super cluster) in about 1 week(so it's nearly as fast as high-end Viltrumites)... Yet Mark was able to outspeed the ship, indicating that he can reach MFTL++ speeds almost instantaneously.

That said, Mark/Nolan/Thaedus were going as all-out as it gets when they destroyed Viltrum(and as such, were likely/logically flying as fast as they possibly could), yet they were still hard-pressed to keep up with Space Racer's beam:
https://ibb.co/Gf4jYs0h
https://ibb.co/vNyXsbX
https://ibb.co/v6q910Mn


tl;dr
In terms of speed, Space Racer's beams =/> high-end bloodlusted Viltrumites = billionS of times FTL... Or something. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Deadman possesses Space Racer and shoots the others. Gotcha Pretty much.

As long as Space Racer is removed from play ASAP, then beating this team becomes a lot easier. No herald can afford to get hit by his beams.

I bet Aquarian could nullify the beams.

Or Sue could straight up tank them

Or .....Deadman possesses Brit and he then....tanks the beams lol. Just spit balling here now, but would Brit be able to get hit and survive?

The beams can skewer through entire planets like cheap tissue paper. Brit has never encountered anything remotely close to that, afaik.

Ok.

Match starts. In true Invincible-verse fashion, the Guardians fly in and utterly stomp. Battle Beast picks Brit up and fastball specials him through Sue's puny shields, shattering them and blowing a hole through her.

OmniMan punches through Ambrose's head. Invincible accidentally gets distracted by this and ends up flying through Lobo.The Atom gets stepped on by Robot. Fantomex tries to shoot Space Racer , who just.....shoots through his bullets and through Fantomex.

'What team do you support?' Brit asks Constantine.
'I never really was that much into footy, me.' he replies. 'Always seemed a bit... repressed , if you asked me, all those tight shorts and rolling around for the ball.'

Brit then punts Constantine's head off.

The end.

'Nice one mate. Looks like a Jackson Pollock now....real artistic, like. Now its our turn'.

Yes. The whole thing was an illusion from Fantomex, the whole thing that is, APART from Lobo, who is now a giant puddle of blood. Which begins to bubble, with hundreds of Lobo faces appearing. Safe behind Sue's shield, with time slowed to plan, and Fantomex misdirecting, my team can now go.

Deadman possesses Invincible, and takes Space Racer's gun. Sue runs defense, taking Robot's armour apart. Atom takes Brit out by dancing on his eardrums (or Ambrose just freezes him in time). Invincible/Deadman shoots the other Viltrumnites. Constantine runs any manner of spells on Allen, who afaik has never gone up against magic, let alone John's level.

Which leaves Battle Beast to fight Lobo. Lobo, who clones from his blood. Yes, I picked Battle Beast for a reason.

If anyone else touches Space Racer's gun, it automatically returns back to him:
https://ibb.co/RT5FTfDp

So the team just needs to incapacitate/kill him right away. After that it's smoother sailing.

Originally posted by Galan007
If anyone else touches Space Racer's gun, it automatically returns back to him:
https://ibb.co/RT5FTfDp

So the team just needs to incapacitate/kill him right away. After that it's smoother sailing.
This arrogance would be my undoing

Deadman needs to possess Space Racer instead

Hank Henshaw
Box
Monica Rambeau

Hank takes control of Space Racer's gun. Transmits the data to Box, who forms a giant Space Racer Gun. Monica becomes a sentient Space Racer Laser and clears the field.

jockey

Originally posted by Smurph
Hank Henshaw
Box
Monica Rambeau

Hank takes control of Space Racer's gun. Transmits the data to Box, who forms a giant Space Racer Gun. Monica becomes a sentient Space Racer Laser and clears the field.

jockey

I would add the Flash, to lend them speed. So they can do all of this in an instant.

In Monica's case, less than an instant.

Is there some sort of sentient connection Space Racer has to his gun that would prevent Henshaw from controlling it?

Aside from Space Racer sharing some kind of ambiguous/metaphysical "bond" with his gun, we don't really know anything more about it. Kirkman intentionally left Space Racer in obscurity -- we don't know how his gun works, what it's made out of, why its beams are so powerful, why it has sentience, if it even has limits, etc.

Is Invincible the DB of comics? Looking back, it seems incredibly limited. They have strength and speed aplenty, but that's it.

The Invincible-verse as a whole actually has a pretty big variety of characters/abilities, but yeah, the Viltrumites(which is obviously who the story focused on) are really just physical powerhouses, but not much else in the way of 'other' abilities.