Jimbe (one piece) vs jiraiya (naruto)

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Luffygear4
fight takes place on a the shore of a beach
all abilities previously used are allowed
100% healthy
sage mode is allowed and so is the use of the water

Luffygear4
no one has an opinion?

Rikudo sennin
Jimbe unfortunately.

AuraAngel
Why is that unfortunate?

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Why is that unfortunate?

Because I like jiraiya much more but have to give it to jimbe.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Because I like jiraiya much more but have to give it to jimbe. thumb up

Jiraiya is cooler, but Jimbei definitely wins.

Bentley
Originally posted by NemeBro
thumb up

Jiraiya is cooler, but Jimbei definitely wins.

Cosigned.

Jimbei is pretty boring imo, and Jiraya was actually pretty cool.

AuraAngel
Meh, I agree. I don't hate Jimbei but he is the perfect 'meh' character. Jiraiya isn't one of my favorites but he definitely goes on the awesome list.

Luffygear4
wow, you guys think jimbe is a "meh" character? he took akainu's red dog through the chest and kept running only worried about luffy because his respect for him, and then felt bad because of the "X" the move put on his chest. and you guys forget that this move killed ace. i like jiraiya but jimbe has alot of depth to.

KingD19
I don't follow One Piece too much since I missed 3 episodes and it was suddenly on episode 400.

But from what I know of Jimbe, he is sorta meh. He's a boss ass really powerful Fish Man. Aside from that he doesn't have much personality(aside from polite and fierce in battle) or character development.

Luffygear4
Originally posted by KingD19
I don't follow One Piece too much since I missed 3 episodes and it was suddenly on episode 400.

But from what I know of Jimbe, he is sorta meh. He's a boss ass really powerful Fish Man. Aside from that he doesn't have much personality(aside from polite and fierce in battle) or character development.

c'mon man, did you read what i said? he didnt have much development but he is a good character and he is deep, respectful, and badass. he took what killed ace through the chest and was only worried about luffy's safety. he is much more then meh. and what he said to luffy about not worrying about what you've lost but what you still have. like his crew?

KingD19
I'm not saying he's not a good character. I'm saying out of the many characters in the Naruto and One Piece universes, he's not in the top tier for most interesting.

AuraAngel
Originally posted by Luffygear4
wow, you guys think jimbe is a "meh" character? he took akainu's red dog through the chest and kept running only worried about luffy because his respect for him, and then felt bad because of the "X" the move put on his chest. and you guys forget that this move killed ace. i like jiraiya but jimbe has alot of depth to.

The Akainu thing means that he is merely really strong(which is a given since, you know, Shichibukai). This doesn't make depth even if it's impressive. And whatever points he earns for being the guy who saved Luffy both from being killed and the edge of despair is negated because he perpetuated the racism of his people and is one of the reasons Hody Jones got away with so many things that he did.

Luffygear4
Originally posted by AuraAngel
The Akainu thing means that he is merely really strong(which is a given since, you know, Shichibukai). This doesn't make depth even if it's impressive. And whatever points he earns for being the guy who saved Luffy both from being killed and the edge of despair is negated because he perpetuated the racism of his people and is one of the reasons Hody Jones got away with so many things that he did.

im not saying that saving luffy makes you an interesting char. im saying hes deep because of the reasons he did save luffy.

AuraAngel
Because he respects Luffy? That is hardly something exclusive to Jimbei and it adds little insight to him other than him being a person who helps those who earn his respect(not that deep).

Luffygear4
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Because he respects Luffy? That is hardly something exclusive to Jimbei and it adds little insight to him other than him being a person who helps those who earn his respect(not that deep).

the only other ones that respect luffy are his crew, mostly badass trafalgar law and some other super novas, badasses, shanks and some of whitebeards old crew members... ALL BADASS. plus, its not so much the respect, but more how he saw past luffy's childlike ways and saw his courage, not trying to sound gay, but jimbe is one of the maybe 25 characters that respect the main character. plus what he went through with tiger from the sun pirates, the fishman racism, going to jail rather that fighting to kill ace a pirate who was spouse to the late pirate king, giving luffy blood when it was against the law. and other things, i see him as more the meh

AuraAngel
....

Luffy has entire countries that respect him since he saved their lives. And while his backstory did give him much more depth it also hurt him because of how idiotic he was.

Luffygear4
Originally posted by AuraAngel
....

Luffy has entire countries that respect him since he saved their lives. And while his backstory did give him much more depth it also hurt him because of how idiotic he was.

well, your right about the countries and islands luffy has saved, but im obviously not changing your mind about jimbe so

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Luffygear4
well, your right about the countries and islands luffy has saved, but im obviously not changing your mind about jimbe so

If your not gonna change your mind then why did you bother to try to change his?

Luffygear4
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
If your not gonna change your mind then why did you bother to try to change his?

because i think im right. so why not try to make him see the same way as you? common sense, thats why theres a presidential election, to get things done your way. and i think jumbe is more than a meh character. and you guys will agree when he joins straw hats

AuraAngel
Franky joined that Straw Hats. Still don't care for him.

Luffygear4
franky made the ship, and fought to help save robin after luffy, zoro and sanji messed up his friends and house. not to mention that it was because of him there was the conflict with usopp, luffy and merry. plus he is a dynamic character who will probably be the reason that the strawhats meet up with vegapunk. he matters...

AuraAngel
He matters from a narrative perspective yeah. Couldn't care less about him as a character though.

Luffygear4
y not, if he died now you wouldnt care?

AuraAngel
Nope, not really. I'd feel bad for the other Straw Hats though.

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Luffygear4
because i think im right. so why not try to make him see the same way as you? common sense, thats why theres a presidential election, to get things done your way. and i think jumbe is more than a meh character. and you guys will agree when he joins straw hats

I am being told about common sense from someone who actually thinks luffy could even put up and fight against Uub?
In case you did not notice it was obvious from the beginning that his opinion was set in stone and he is someone who reads both manga so you were just wasting your time.

KingD19
Uub? As in, the guy who split from Buu?

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by KingD19
Uub? As in, the guy who split from Buu?

Yes.

KingD19
Oh man, Luffy would get destroyed. Like...it's not even funny how destroyed he would get.

Uub is worth about 25,000 Raditz.

Luffygear4
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
I am being told about common sense from someone who actually thinks luffy could even put up and fight against Uub?
In case you did not notice it was obvious from the beginning that his opinion was set in stone and he is someone who reads both manga so you were just wasting your time.

... ok i'll admit i shouldnt have made THAT thread. but yea this one is easy to understand. when you think something and someone else disagrees you tell them why you think ur right. anyone can tell you that.

Rikudo sennin
Originally posted by Luffygear4
... ok i'll admit i shouldnt have made THAT thread. but yea this one is easy to understand. when you think something and someone else disagrees you tell them why you think ur right. anyone can tell you that.

You have a point but I think if you payed attention to what he was saying and the situation you would see that there would have been no point in writing more than one post on the character thing let alone try to persuade him. i think his mind was pretty made up.

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