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who wins this? this is pure hand to hand fight no weapons allowed. that means cap doesnt have his sheld.

anybody?

Shiva, pretty easily. Captain America is debatably Batman's equal in terms of h2h. (I'd say Bats is a actually a little more proficient, but Cap is better physically) Shiva decimates Batman h2h.

Batman has beaten Shiva before but she is better than him. She is also better than Cap...........

Shiva is a better martial artist than Batman is, but he'd still smash her if she threatened any single life in Gotham. Shiva beats caps.

Caps a good stratagist in fighting terms. Batman could do that to Shiva, so could the most famous A......

i know x-overs are meaningless, but in jla/avengers bats admits cap can take him, implying cap is the superior fighter. not sure why people don't see cap as a better h2h guy. what'd you think they call him the ultimate fighting machine for?

Being just as meaningless, in the DC/Marvel crossover, it was said that the two are almost exactly equal... Cap got the win, but I really have no idea how. (besides fanvoting, I just dunno what the explanation was) Cap gets hit by a rush of water in a sewer, Batman pulls him out of the water, probably saving his life, next panal, they are leaving the sewer with Batman saying he lost...

And Bruce's training was more extensive, where Cap is just amazingly good at what he knows. As far as proficiency goes, I think Batman's a little better, but Cap is a little bit better physically. I'd give Batman 6/10 in a sparring match, I'd give Cap 5.5/10 in an actual fight.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Being just as meaningless, in the DC/Marvel crossover, it was said that the two are almost exactly equal... Cap got the win, but I really have no idea how. (besides fanvoting, I just dunno what the explanation was) Cap gets hit by a rush of water in a sewer, Batman pulls him out of the water, probably saving his life, next panal, they are leaving the sewer with Batman saying he lost...

And Bruce's training was more extensive, where Cap is just amazingly good at what he knows. As far as proficiency goes, I think Batman's a little better, but Cap is a little bit better physically. I'd give Batman 6/10 in a sparring match, I'd give Cap 5.5/10 in an actual fight.

true........

Cap weakness will be his morality

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steve wins solely because of enhanced ability/shield.....but not hardily.

Originally posted by namorsubby
steve wins solely because of enhanced ability/shield.....but not hardily.

He doesn't have the shield here.

So I'll say Shiva.

Steve Rogers. His ssm prevents his body from creating fatigue toxins.

Originally posted by leonidas
i know x-overs are meaningless, but in jla/avengers bats admits cap can take him, implying cap is the superior fighter. not sure why people don't see cap as a better h2h guy. what'd you think they call him the ultimate fighting machine for?
My man right here, having some common sense. How do you get people acknowledging that Captain America could beat Batman. Batman having beaten Shiva (more than once). Yet Shiva stomping Captain America?

Ain't happening. Steve takes this.

steve is physically superior in all aspect as well as mentally enhanced to go with his body... Cap still stomp her with her superior MA knowledge and goes off for pie and milk with logan to which logan makes him pay for his meal rather then coast by on his looks and fame.

Shiva 6.5-7/10

Unlike Batman, Shiva ain't afraid to kill and is much more aggressive and brutal, a true killing machine. Batman probably has the skill and ability to do the same, but he doesn't. He fights in ways designed not to kill, a huge restraint on his part. You could say he fights at far less than his maximum efficiency/potential because he chooses to do so. She will use every opportunity to do sure-kill maneuvers such as the leopard blow given the chance.

Cap doesnt always kill but he does kill when the need arises.. but his nerve blows should be just as effective as her leopard blow when it comes to gaining the edge or win...

paralyze her arm, or crush her fist should do it.

Steve has a physical edge, but I'd peg Shiva as being the more skilled.

Eh, could go either way.

If Shiva is out to kill Cap and he starts to get tagged, he's going to stop the BS and put her down.

He's Captain America and just that damn good. (Its the truth)

Cap

Captain America gets re-assassinated.

is the current steve rogers the actual steve rogers from 616?

Originally posted by Placidity
Shiva 6.5-7/10

Unlike Batman, Shiva ain't afraid to kill and is much more aggressive and brutal, a true killing machine. Batman probably has the skill and ability to do the same, but he doesn't. He fights in ways designed not to kill, a huge restraint on his part. You could say he fights at far less than his maximum efficiency/potential because he chooses to do so. She will use every opportunity to do sure-kill maneuvers such as the leopard blow given the chance.

Well said. Batman's fighting style is more tailored towards defense than anything else. I agree, Lady Shiva does have the potential to defeat Captain America.

Caps going to win. He's stronger. He's faster. He's better. Shiva eats his pirate boots. 'Nuff Said

Even split, IMO.

Originally posted by supremthor
who wins this? this is pure hand to hand fight no weapons allowed. that means cap doesnt have his sheld.
Shit!

I wanted Shiva to snipe Cap in the forehead.

Someone would have to be a FOOL to think that shiva beats Cap. You have to remember what the super soldier serum does for this man. The SSS is in fact what makes him not equal to bat man or any other regular HUMAN martial artist!

Originally posted by BattleMage
The SSS is in fact what makes him not equal to bat man or any other regular HUMAN martial artist!
WRONG.

Cap is NOT the strongest/best HUMAN MA.

Karate Kid is better. Karate Kid doesn't even have SSS nor a shield, yet he can hang with Kryptonians and Daxamites in H2H combat.

KK is a queer.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Shit!

I wanted Shiva to snipe Cap in the forehead.

Cap ain't handcuffed. With a police entourage going to court.

Cap kicks her in the balls.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Cap ain't handcuffed. With a police entourage going to court.

Cap kicks her in the balls.
I didn't read the OP stips.

Give Lady Shiva a sniper rifle, and CA gets assassinated again, handcuffs or non.

Cap can anticipate sniper bullets. Hence why he jumped in front of the cop and took the bullet himself during Civil War.
Non handcuffed Cap .......everyday Cap can not be assassinated.
Lady Shiva will fail and take on Cap in melee combat and will be beaten.
It helps to have read the comic.

captain america

Originally posted by manx422
captain america






how can it be

Captain America and Shiva imo are comparable, shiva is not going to "out-skill" cap. Maybe land a couple of nice moves but cap will be landing nice ones himself. The hits that he lands is gonna hurt a helluva alot more than Shiva's.

The skill is similar enough that imo is not even a factor here. But shiva will eventually tire, and sustain injuries that Cap could shrug off. No one will be shit stomping anyone here, it would be a grand fight but with Cap being the one left standing.

Beating batman does not mean you beat cap. Cap has more experience (and thereby skill) and better stats than batman. The stats are significantly better.

Cap would beat shiva too.

Originally posted by khazra
Beating batman does not mean you beat cap. Cap has more experience (and thereby skill) and better stats than batman. The stats are significantly better.

Cap would beat shiva too.
Can Cap beat KK too?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Can Cap beat KK too?

I don't think any Street level should or would be Karate Kid (not the brainwashed weakass version). Some of the crazk he done is superman-esque.

Brubaker, Busiek and some other writer think that Cap> Batman. Im just talking about what the writers think non-canon fights.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Steve has a physical edge, but I'd peg Shiva as being the more skilled.

Eh, could go either way.

Yeah, CA takes the majority.

I mean, if he punches one of her breasts Shiva will get breast cancer.

Not as a standard, not by a long way.

He could of edged out a win against the KK in countdown that batman needed help with though.

Leapord blow through the brain.

My feelings here are the same with Shiva vs. Deathstroke, Shiva is the better HTH fighter, but Caps much greater physical abilites and undying willpower would let me believe he would win in the end (and with his shield and uniform, pretty solidly).