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The Saint of Killers is in the beyonder dimension, how many true beyonders can he kill before getting killed?

Is this pre or post retcon?

Originally posted by Tassadar
Is this pre or post retcon? True Beyonders, the ones who made the cosmic cube.

As far as i know saint of killers is invincible. Beyonders im sure can die or be deafeated. Saint can kill anyone below god and last i checked beyonders arent gods so saint extincts the beyonder race.

I think that was just a stupid storyline. How can someone kill God? I mean God with all his omniscience would know well beforehand if someone was going to try to kill Him. He could just blink SOK out of existence or something. The God in that universe must be terribly weak to be taken out like that.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
I think that was just a stupid storyline. How can someone kill God? I mean God with all his omniscience would know well beforehand if someone was going to try to kill Him. He could just blink SOK out of existence or something. The God in that universe must be terribly weak to be taken out like that.

Yeah and remember God is infinite, God is everywhere and in everything. If he kills God he kils everything including himself.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and remember God is infinite, God is everywhere and in everything. If he kills God he kils everything including himself. Some ppl think that the true beyonder is above TOAA, i duno much so i cant really say.

Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Some ppl think that the true beyonder is above TOAA, i duno much so i cant really say.

Thats rubbish although i have heard its been speculated that TOAA is not the be all and end all in marvel but i think its just fan boys disappointments at how he was portrayed in the fantastic four.

who is TOAA

Originally posted by Alfheim
who is TOAA

The One Above All . The Living Tribunal's boss.

pre-ret Beyonder annilates Saint of Killers with ease,

post-ret Beyonders dies unless they remake reality and the SOK into somthing less dangerious

Originally posted by complexbrother
The One Above All . The Living Tribunal's boss.

pre-ret Beyonder annilates Saint of Killers with ease,

post-ret Beyonders dies unless they remake reality and the SOK into somthing less dangerious

I agree

Post-retcon= SoK kills the entire race.

LT, Eternity, Lord Chaos & Master Order observe two specific creations of the Beyonders.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3528/shistoryie9.th.jpg

Living Tribunal calls the Beyonders, "the INFINITE"
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5996/shistory5wo5.th.jpg
"Minute bits of of their Energy" from the Beyonders, created Post-retcon Molecule Man & Post-retcon Beyonder.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5854/shistory6nx7.th.jpg

When insane/evil Molecule Man manifested out of Owen Reece, he went out to find POST-Retcon Beyonder to kill him out of revenge.

Insane/evil Molecule Man is something like Pre-retcon Molecule Man, Multi-versal for sure...since he was a Human being, his potential was Far greater than any other Cube.

POST-retcon Beyonder gave him a fight for a while before being defeated.

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5499/beyonderandmmbattleagainbp6.th.jpghttp://img90.imageshack.us/img90/999/beyonderandmmbattlesagain2rv5.th.jpg
Realize how ALL Reality is falling apart because of them, (both are post-retcon).
A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg

Molecule Man's power, has FAR greater potential than any Cosmic Cube or even the Beyonder.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8850/kubikexplainsph8.th.jpg

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man not allow the Beyonder to die, which would bring forth the END of Reality.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7615/kubikexplains2jz4.th.jpg

Because the Molecule Man is a human being that absorbed that "Minute bit of Energy" from the (Beyonders), he's FAR, FAR more than Kubik or Kosmos.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3390/kubikexplains4hn8.th.jpg


If Post-retcon Beyonder with a "Minute bit of Energy" from the Beyonders can cause "Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

And if (Full potential or Evil) Molecule Man with a "Minute bit of Energy" from the Beyonders can alter events across the Multi-verse.

Just imagine what level of Power these Beyonders must be in.

Saint of Killers vs a Race of these beings...laughable.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT, Eternity, Lord Chaos & Master Order observe two specific creation of the Beyonders.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/3528/shistoryie9.th.jpg

Living Tribunal calls the Beyonders, "the INFINITE"
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5996/shistory5wo5.th.jpg
"Minute bits of of their Energy" from the Beyonders, created Post-retcon Molecule Man & Post-retcon Beyonder.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5854/shistory6nx7.th.jpg

When insane/evil Molecule Man manifested out of Owen Reece, he went out to find POST-Retcon Beyonder to kill him out of revenge.

Insane/evil Molecule Man is something like Pre-retcon Molecule Man, Multi-versal for sure...since he was a Human being, his potential was Far greater than any other Cube.

POST-retcon Beyonder gave him a fight for a while before being defeated.

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5499/beyonderandmmbattleagainbp6.th.jpghttp://img90.imageshack.us/img90/999/beyonderandmmbattlesagain2rv5.th.jpg
Realize how ALL Reality is falling apart because of them, (both are post-retcon).
A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1825/beyonderandmmbattleagain3mu7.th.jpg

Molecule Man's power, has FAR greater potential than any Cosmic Cube or even the Beyonder.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8850/kubikexplainsph8.th.jpg

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man not allow the Beyonder to die, which would bring forth the END of Reality.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7615/kubikexplains2jz4.th.jpg

Because the Molecule Man is a human being that absorbed that "Minute bit of Energy" from the (Beyonders), he's FAR, FAR more than Kubik or Kosmos.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3390/kubikexplains4hn8.th.jpg


If Post-retcon Beyonder with a "Minute bit of Energy" from the Beyonders can cause "Havoc unthinkable to be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography" because of his death.

And if (Full potential or Evil) Molecule Man with a "Minute bit of Energy" from the Beyonders can alter events across the Multi-verse.

Just imagine what level of Power these Beyonders must be in.

Saint of Killers vs a Race of these beings...laughable.

One question- Is post ret-con Beyonder above Death? If not, all his power is completely irrelevant, one shot and he dies. If he is, then their is nothing SoK can do to him.

Pre-retcon Beyonder
Make him mortal
Remove hisn power (just for fun)
Turn him into a nun (just for fun too)
Toture him in a way we can't imagion
Separates every molecule in his body, and than separate the atoms ect.
Now SoK is dead.

Originally posted by Tassadar
One question- Is post ret-con Beyonder above Death? If not, all his power is completely irrelevant, one shot and he dies. If he is, then their is nothing SoK can do to him.

Actually the thread is

Saint of Killers vs the RACE of beings (Beyonders) that Created with MINUTE bits of their energy, Post-retcon Beyonder & post-retcon Molecule Man.

The Race of Beyonders blink SoK away.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Pre-retcon Beyonder
Make him mortal
Remove hisn power (just for fun)
Turn him into a nun (just for fun too)
Toture him in a way we can't imagion
Separates every molecule in his body, and than separate the atoms ect.
Now SoK is dead.

That about sums it up.

Even a post-retcon Beyonder would take this.
What would SoK do seriously, shoit him to death?

Yes mister master a minute bit of energy as it may be but it evolved so its not the same minute energy anymore. Everything evovles and becomes stronger so you can really say its the same tiny bit of energy able to do all that.

As far i can remember SOK cant be killed and as far i remember his gun can kill anything below god himself.

Originally posted by Mordum
As far i can remember SOK cant be killed and as far i remember his gun can kill anything below god himself.
Beyonder enter whichever Multi-verse he pleases, he re-place the God there, bonds to everything in that Multi-verse, he's everything in the Mutli-verse he is in.
SoK is a part of him, he can absorb him like Thanos absorbed Living Tribunal.

Saint of Killers sucked badly

Saint of Killers ftw.
Nothing could harm him, instant kills anything.
He even killed god.

Originally posted by Juntai
Saint of Killers ftw.
Nothing could harm him, instant kills anything.
He even killed god.
Ever tried to remove his immortality and powers?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Ever tried to remove his immortality and powers? You think the Beyonders could override Gods power that gave him immortality and insta-kill guns?
You'd have to come up with some really good proof for me to even remotely consider a characters abilities overriding Gods.

Originally posted by Juntai
You think the Beyonders could override Gods power that gave him immortality and insta-kill guns?
You'd have to come up with some really good proof for me to even remotely consider a characters abilities overriding Gods.
Are we talking Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder or the race?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Are we talking Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder or the race? The thread calls for the race.

The entire race? It would be a overkill.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The entire race? It would be a overkill. How? God created this being to be unstoppable by any means and it insta-kills everything it aims at. Nothing can harm it or slow it.

Like I said, you'd have to have some crazy proof.

seriously since when was Pre Ret Beyonder more than TOAA? since when was it that good?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously since when was Pre Ret Beyonder more than TOAA? since when was it that good? But this isn't Pre Retcon beyonder in the thread anyways.

and the GOd who created SOK was the stupidest loser i have ever seen. He put most of his power in a throne and gave these crazy a** powers to some crazy killer.

Originally posted by Juntai
But this isn't Pre Retcon beyonder in the thread anyways.

I know but i still wanna know what made him above TOAA?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously since when was Pre Ret Beyonder more than TOAA? since when was it that good?
Since when he entered his Multi-verse and violated his rules, and replaced him.
He was all there was in the Multi-verse.

ignore the man above hes had too many.

Originally posted by Mordum
ignore the man above hes had too many.
What the HFIL are you talking about...?
You have any evidence that can prove me wrong?

Originally posted by Mordum
ignore the man above hes had too many. lol

even THEE beyonder could die he almost died a few times, he said if the PF had jumped him he might have died, he also said that this guy during a certain time in time and space could kill him beyonder had to wait for that time to pass.

Originally posted by Mordum
Yes mister master a minute bit of energy as it may be but it evolved so its not the same minute energy anymore. Everything evovles and becomes stronger so you can really say its the same tiny bit of energy able to do all that.

They're more powerful BEFORE they evolve actually.

Doom say's it only takes ONE to possibly conquer the Entire Universe.
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8821/maguscreateduniversewcc3zq6.th.jpg

Cosmic Containment Units (un-evovled Cosmic Cubes), are what Magus used to created a Duplicate 616 Universe.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8559/5ccmakeduplicatemj6.th.jpg

Cosmic Containment Units (un-evovled Cosmic Cubes) is what made Thanos "God".
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/1613/cosmiccubemakesyougod5st.th.jpg
He had even become the size of a Universe
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5301/cosmiccubemakesyouauniverse22l.th.jpg


And here it is plain english, Cosmic Containment Units (un-evovled Cosmic Cubes), impose limitations on themselves BEFORE Evolving,
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3929/cosmiccubesareallpowerful1wc.th.jpg
"The UNITS are ALL-POWERFUL, but simply REFUSE to break certain SELF-IMPOSED taboos"

(this is to avoid any individual making themselves "God" like Thanos did with an Un-Evolved Cosmic Containment Unit.

Originally posted by Mider999
even THEE beyonder could die he almost died a few times, he said if the PF had jumped him he might have died, he also said that this guy during a certain time in time and space could kill him beyonder had to wait for that time to pass.

No, he said Pheonix might have hurt him. And him almost being killed was because of beyondersbane, something having to do with Mephisto. Havent read secret wars in a long time, so I cant remember exactly.

Originally posted by Mider999
even THEE beyonder could die he almost died a few times, he said if the PF had jumped him he might have died,

hysterical2

Dude, if your going to make claims, you better know what your talking about.

You made that up...and with the likes of me here, that's unwise.

Originally posted by Mider999
he also said that this guy during a certain time in time and space could kill him beyonder had to wait for that time to pass.



More comedy.

What the Puma?

From those Spiderman crossovers, I have all of them.

That's what Puma THOUGHT, he could do, some shamen raised him from birth to "kill the Beyonder"...apparently they had NO IDEA the scale of power Beyonder would possess.

Beyonder allowed him to think he could, to teach a Puma a lesson.

Here's Beyonder confronts Puma
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8140/bvspxn1.th.jpg

Puma: "He's radiating so much power---my senses are in danger of overload"
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2345/bvsp2gf4.th.jpg
Beyonder: "Don't worry. I won't let you hurt yourself.

Beyonder: "I KNOW your here to kill me...but that's Virtually IMPOSSIBLE,
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4864/bvsp3xh7.th.jpg
Beyonder: "I feel bad you wasted your time"

That story spanned 4 issues, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and except you simply didn't know.

Originally posted by Tassadar
No, he said Pheonix might have hurt him.

Never happened.

Beyonder NEVER said at any time that Phoenix could do anything to him....NADA!

He gave the Phoenix Force a compliment, that's it.

He said, "This ENTITY, (the Phoenix Force) Rachel's Power, (notice the apostrophe S) is extraordinary...She (Rachel) is AKIN (related) to a young star (Phoenix Force)"
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4353/bonpfsz3.th.jpg
"of all the beings I have encountered on THIS World (Earth), She (Rachel) is potentially (Phoenix Force) the most like me."

Originally posted by Tassadar
And him almost being killed was because of beyondersbane, something having to do with Mephisto.

Which was coerce by the Beyonder.

.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/owned.gif

Originally posted by Mr Master
Never happened.

Beyonder NEVER said at any time that Phoenix could do anything to him....NADA!

He gave the Phoenix Force a compliment, that's it.

He said, "This ENTITY, (the Phoenix Force) Rachel's Power, (notice the apostrophe S) is extraordinary...She (Rachel) is AKIN (related) to a young star (Phoenix Force)"
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4353/bonpfsz3.th.jpg
"of all the beings I have encountered on THIS World (Earth), She (Rachel) is potentially (Phoenix Force) the most like me."



Which was coerce by the Beyonder.

Actually, I was agreeing with you on that point. Can you post scans of Secret Wars 2, in which Pheonix attacked him? Thats the scene I was talking about. I cant find my copy of the issue right now.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Actually, I was agreeing with you on that point.

Cool.

I was just clearing it up.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Can you post scans of Secret Wars 2, in which Pheonix attacked him? Thats the scene I was talking about. I cant find my copy of the issue right now.

There you go:

Beyonder: "I begin...but have no ending"...Phoenix is in the distance.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1700/pfvsb1xg8.th.jpg

Phoenix comes in for the Attack
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6880/pfvsb2xe4.th.jpg

Rachel Summers uses ALL the power she can muster as Phoenix.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7213/beyondervsrachelds6.th.jpg

Beyonder didn't even flinch.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4237/beyondervsrachel2kf1.th.jpg
Beyonder withstands another Full frontal assault.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5579/pfvsb4xi6.th.jpg
Beyonder: "does that outburst make you feel better"...lol

Then Beyonder decides to become Death for a while, and takes Phoenix on a trip through Time and Space to teach her a lesson.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4359/pfvsb5ws6.th.jpg

On another occasion Phoenix tries again to attack Beyonder again.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/733/beyondervsrachel3rm5.th.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8926/beyondervsrachel4kf4.th.jpg

Poor Phoenix.

It thread doesnt seem to be finished.

Uhhh...could we stick to the thread please?Anyways ill change it so SOK takes on the beyonders 1 on 1 until he dies.

Originally posted by Juntai
How? God created this being to be unstoppable by any means and it insta-kills everything it aims at. Nothing can harm it or slow it.

Like I said, you'd have to have some crazy proof.

Beyonder race cages SOK. SOK beat GOD off his throne of power. And even GOD's creation have lost. Remember Lucifer's death?

SOK is fighting an entire race.

SOK pulls out a UZI and goes nuts

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Beyonder race cages SOK. SOK beat GOD off his throne of power. And even GOD's creation have lost. Remember Lucifer's death?

SOK is fighting an entire race. Lucifer isn't the Saint of Killers in the Preacher-verse.

Remember when The Preacher asked SOK who sent him?
Saint of Killers told the angels to reviel themselves, and they did not.
And then he said would kill all creation if he had to, to make a point.
Suddenly the Heavenly Host revealed itself.

Point is, there was nothing short of God or Gods equal in the storyline that even made him halt for a step.

When a being as powerful as God began to wander the Earth. They unlocked Saint of Killers to clean up the mess.

So how did Cassidy survive being shot by Saint of Killers?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So how did Cassidy survive being shot by Saint of Killers?

Cassidy is a vampire, he is already dead.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Cassidy is a vampire, he is already dead.

So beings such as God and angels, who aren't alive or dead but whom simply exist, can be killed by Saint of Killers but a living dead vampire can't be? Doesn't make much sense to me.