Gambit VS Captain America

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TheKahn
They fight once in a featureless environment and once in an empty city street. who takes it?

Zahit
Cap takes him down......everytime!

Juntai
Cap wins featureless, Gambit wins city fight.

TheKahn
Does anyone know if Gambit could charge up Cap's shield?
I know that it is some kind of vibranium/Adamantium alloy.

Zahit
Don't know why anyone would think Gambit could actually beat Captain America.
C'mon now.
Besides....
The only thing even remotely interesting about him is his accent....

TheKahn
the reason I picked these two guys is becase one is mainly defensive (Cap's shield) and the other is mostly offensive (Gambit's cards) If Gambit can keep his distance he might could take Cap out

Juntai
Originally posted by TheKahn
the reason I picked these two guys is becase one is mainly defensive (Cap's shield) and the other is mostly offensive (Gambit's cards) If Gambit can keep his distance he might could take Cap out Out in the street though he potentially use anything, manhole covers, mailboxes, the city itself would be his arsenal. I think he'd have cap on the ropes.

K3VIL
Gambit charge up Cap's shield, Cap dies.Or, Gambit reach Cap in hth distance, charge up a card and stuck it into Cap's mout.Cap dies.

Draco69
Gambit wins.

Zahit
Cap has taken out people with FAR more offensive firepower than Gambit.

Please.

It's not even close.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0404/20/captainamerica29.jpg

http://www.kubertsworld.com/gallery/andy_cap13.jpg

http://www.flatlands.org/mini/heroclix/campaign/images/action_captamerica.jpg

TheKahn
Notice how everyone misses him or else all hit a single area that is luckly the same size as Cap's shield?

xmarksthespot
Gambit is lame. But he wins.

Draco69
Originally posted by TheKahn
Notice how everyone misses him or else all hit a single area that is luckly the same size as Cap's shield?

laughing out loud

Zahit
Originally posted by TheKahn
Notice how everyone misses him or else all hit a single area that is luckly the same size as Cap's shield?
he's been doing it for over 50 years.
a bowl of authentic hot gumbo will give captain america
more trouble than gambit.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by TheKahn
Notice how everyone misses him or else all hit a single area that is luckly the same size as Cap's shield? True... everybody that Cap faces must be myopic.

Mainstream
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Gambit is lame. But he wins.


gambit_sm I need me a brush so I can brush da hatter off me no?

Juntai
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
True... everybody that Cap faces must be myopic. standard enemy bad aim, similar to the movie Desperado.

xmarksthespot
Originally posted by Mainstream
gambit_sm I need me a brush so I can brush da hatter off me no? laughing out loud Gambit is lame - live with it.

Mainstream
sentinel "surrender mutants"

gambit_sm "I don t'ink so rust buckets.

wolverine24 "for once I agree with ya Cajun."

Zahit
Gumbo is NOT taking down Captain America.....


http://www.oakalleyplantation.com/miva/graphics/00000001/Gumbo%20Mix.jpg


please.....

illadelph12
In an enclosed area it's about 50/50, but I might give a slight edge to Gambit because he has more projectiles, which explode on impact, and he could get Cap off balance and away from his shield by doing so, but if Cap gets in close he has better H2h and Gambit has his staff fighting skills, so it's a good match. Enhanced athleticism is part of Gambit's mutation as well, so he can keep up in the agility department somewhat with Cap. He packs 52-55 grenades on him (if you count the 2 Jokers and the Game Suggestions Card that comes in the box). I remember reading a comic where Gambit charged some thug's teeth in his mouth and blew his head off (I think it was an Ultimate Xmen Book that I read online, I can't remember fully).

In an empty city street I'd take Gambit because he has more things that he can weaponize like debris, trash cans, soda cans, bottles, rocks, manhole covers, cars, his cards, buildings, etc. Gambit just has more offensive versatility.

Enclosed Area: 5/10 for both.
Empty Street: Gambit 7/10, possibly 8 if they are in a really rundown part of a city with a lot of trash and bricks and random objects laying around for him to weaponize. Fighting Gambit at a junkyard would completely suck.

Onikirimaru
Gambit is one of those characters that can do alot, but he never really gets wrote to be the contender he really is. Kinda like the anti-wolverine. In a featureless enviroment, Cap can whip'em, in a city scape, Gambit can get a few wins, but I still would say it would mostly go to Cap, just because of experience and things.

A good question is posed though. Gambit charges objects, and they explode. What would happen if he charged an adamantium object, which cannot break. Would it explode? Would it take him a long time to charge? Would there be an energy explosion, but the object remain? What would happen?

Draco69
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Gambit is one of those characters that can do alot, but he never really gets wrote to be the contender he really is. Kinda like the anti-wolverine. In a featureless enviroment, Cap can whip'em, in a city scape, Gambit can get a few wins, but I still would say it would mostly go to Cap, just because of experience and things.

A good question is posed though. Gambit charges objects, and they explode. What would happen if he charged an adamantium object, which cannot break. Would it explode? Would it take him a long time to charge? Would there be an energy explosion, but the object remain? What would happen?

There would be an energy explosion but the object would remain intact.

leonheartmm
gambit cab tamper with the intermolecular forces of objects, n thas supposed to be the only way to destry adamantium or vibranium, he can also charge ANYTHIN ELSE, people, costumes, entire train carriages etc, i dont think cap can win this, on top of all that gambit can also use his energy manipulation technique and charge his body for superhuman agility, reflexes, strength, speed etc, and lets not forget his hypnotic charm which he can use to freaze or daze opponents.

Draco69
I forgot about the charging his own body technique.

It was in X-Men Legends too.

And Cap is straighter than an arrow, I doubt the "charm" trick would work....but it'd be funny if it did! laughing

Zahit
Caps shield is an Adamantium/Vibranium mixture.
There ain't a damn thing Gumbo can do to the shield.
Except maybe add a little tobasco and cajun seasoning to it....
.....cause he IS eating that shield......may as well make it tasty before nite-nite.....

TheKahn
It would be kinda of awkward if Gambit "charmed" Cap into submission, wouldn't it?

Zahit
Originally posted by TheKahn
It would be kinda of awkward if Gambit "charmed" Cap into submission, wouldn't it?
even if this supposedly alleged "charm power" worked,
he'd just become Cap's little 'ho.

Metalmanx
I agree completely with Draco that the shield would indeed explode, but still remain afterwards. So, Cap hits Gambit with shield, Gambit only touches it for a second, then it explodes in Cap's hand. Probably taking a limb with it.

Gambit has too much offensive wise, and has MUCH better acurracy than those henchmen that Cap faces. And even in hand-to-hand, Gambit would easily make Cap work for it, with his incredible staff-wielding skills.

I give it to Gambit in both places. Featureless environment: 7/10. City: 8-9/10.

illadelph12
laughing out loud

God that sounds so wrong!!!! laughing out loud

Onikirimaru
Remember when Gambit charged a pie and threw it at Bishop, and it hit Rogue, and she got mad? hilarious. This should have been Cap vs Gambit at a county fair bake-off.

Wonderman
Even Thor respects the shield. I doubt Remy has anything on it. I agree that there will be an explosion, only i bet it is Gambit's hand that explodes. With no where to go i fig. it would return to sender.
La qution is is Gambit slicker than the Captain. Can he nail him with a card and is there anyway possible for him to avoid being tagged by the shield.
Cap wins and in short order i bet.
Gambit is still wet behind the ears. spent his life as a thief.
Why is Cap so f-in great. Cause should America fall, the Captain will still be standing.

K3VIL
If 616 Gambit is such a bastard like the Ultimate one, Cap may be in trouble.
Ultimate Gambit said that he could charge Logan's skeleton, tough it will not explode, the flesh and bones will be ripped apart.
He stucked in Logan's mouth a piece of his staff and knocked him unconscious, ripping a part of his face away.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I agree completely with Draco that the shield would indeed explode, but still remain afterwards. So, Cap hits Gambit with shield, Gambit only touches it for a second, then it explodes in Cap's hand. Probably taking a limb with it.

Gambit has too much offensive wise, and has MUCH better acurracy than those henchmen that Cap faces. And even in hand-to-hand, Gambit would easily make Cap work for it, with his incredible staff-wielding skills.

I give it to Gambit in both places. Featureless environment: 7/10. City: 8-9/10.
Thank you. I am going to bump up his Featureless environment score to 8/10 however. Gambit has shown that he can charge from a distance. It may take concetration, but with nothing to hide behind, Captain America will be there...with his sheild in the open running at Gambit. Gambit can blow it up without even moving. If the sheild remains intact after the exlosion then Gambit can just keep blowing it up throughout the battle. Combining this with his other weapons and abilities, he will win.

I also give it to Gambit in both places. Featureless environment- 8/10. City- 9/10

TheKahn
Also, if they do get in close h2h fighting, Gambit could charge up cap's uniform. Assuming he could survive the explositon fight naked has to be a real disadvantage

K3VIL
Originally posted by TheKahn
Also, if they do get in close h2h fighting, Gambit could charge up cap's uniform. Assuming he could survive the explositon fight naked has to be a real disadvantage
The explosion depends on how much Gambit charges the object.The explosion may just cause them to be moved a few, or to die.

Crack
Originally posted by Zahit
Cap has taken out people with FAR more offensive firepower than Gambit.

Please.

It's not even close.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0404/20/captainamerica29.jpg

http://www.kubertsworld.com/gallery/andy_cap13.jpg

http://www.flatlands.org/mini/heroclix/campaign/images/action_captamerica.jpg In the first picture no one is shooting. In the second he's not even moving they are just missing.In the third they are all pretty much aiming for the shield.Not to mention Gambit is an expert marksman and could throw multiple objects AND can just hit the ground under him for the same effect.

ExtraMision5555
this was a good thread (idea)


a 2nd look?

Rick/Genis
Even though it's already been made?

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Even though it's already been made?

i mean, im wondering if anyone thinks differently

i was gona make it

but i guess maybe i still could
seeing that the paramaters here are a bit different

LordFear
Gambit wins

don't shiv
rather easily

ThePittman

Alfheim

ThePittman
Gambit has near superhuman reflexes and agility, he keeps up with Nightcrawler and Wolverine without to much effort so touching Cap will be no problem then you add in his slight of hand skills and you see where that will lead.

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
Gambit has near superhuman reflexes and agility,

Are you sure I have seen his reflexes classified as a 4. That is peak human.

ThePittman
Well that is from Marvel but going by his feats I would put him above peak human.

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
Well that is from Marvel but going by his feats I would put him above peak human.

Yeah but if he has enhanced mobility that could explain it. The same way part of DD reflexes are due to his senses.

ThePittman

Alfheim

guy222
Originally posted by TheKahn
They fight once in a featureless environment and once in an empty city street. who takes it?

Capt America

ThePittman
From the respect thread

Dodging multiple laser shots
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9139/gambit05115fh.jpg

Fighting Sabertooth who has super human reflexes
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3473/gambitv100902rougher6bq.jpg

Same with Wolverine
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1434/vswolverine018wf.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7466/vswolverine027ru.jpg

Talking on Gladiator
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2343/theuncannyxmen277203wy.jpg

Just some that I could find right away

marvelprince

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
From the respect thread

Dodging multiple laser shots
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9139/gambit05115fh.jpg

Fighting Sabertooth who has super human reflexes
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3473/gambitv100902rougher6bq.jpg

Same with Wolverine
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1434/vswolverine018wf.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7466/vswolverine027ru.jpg

Talking on Gladiator
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2343/theuncannyxmen277203wy.jpg

Just some that I could find right away

Theres nothing there that cap cant do.



Originally posted by marvelprince
No its not. If anything I'd put them on par with each other. Gambit has been shown to hang with Nightcrawler and Wolverine, but Cap has outdone both Wolverine and Beast. Captain America seems to have the advantage here.

That said I'm going with Cap ftw

This is a turn up for the books, I was actually gonna go for gambit but im not sure how good his reflexes are.

ThePittman
Yes Cap has some great feats as well, I would give Gambit the edge but adding in his power set I think this puts him over the edge. All he has to do is touch him.

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
All he has to do is touch him.

Thats the problem, its not like it cant happen.

ThePittman

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
Gambit can easily dodge the shield.

I dont know about that is he as fast as Spiderman? Even Spiderman has problems with the shield, Gambit is gonna do worse.

ThePittman
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know about that is he as fast as Spiderman? Even Spiderman has problems with the shield, Gambit is gonna do worse. Normal writers make it that people have a hard time dodging the shield but in reality if you can dodge multiple laser shots what is so hard about dodging one object that just bounces off stuff in a projected path?

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman
Normal writers make it that people have a hard time dodging the shield but in reality if you can dodge multiple laser shots

Well comics physics is different to real world physics. If you get hit by lots of radiation you dont get super powers you get cancer. I dont have a problem with laser dodgers having problems with the shield

Originally posted by ThePittman

what is so hard about dodging one object that just bounces off stuff in a projected path?

Because you dont know where its going to go next. Cap can make it look as if he has missed when he hasnt, he also uses the shield to get people into strategic situations.

Actually I think im gonna give cap the majority, because cap is more accurate with his shield than gambit is with his cards. Cap can actually use his feet to aim the shield with extreme accuracy and is more strategic with it.

Cap doesnt have to get close to win.

ThePittman

marvelprince
Originally posted by ThePittman
Normal writers make it that people have a hard time dodging the shield but in reality if you can dodge multiple laser shots what is so hard about dodging one object that just bounces off stuff in a projected path?

The thing with the shield isn't its intial trajectory. Its the fact that Cap can get it to richochet all over the place. Also with the shield he doesn't always tthrow it in straight lines. He can cause it to arc etc depending on how he throws it

ThePittman

Alfheim

ThePittman

Alfheim

ThePittman

Alfheim

marvelprince
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not only does Cap use his feet, he ricochets it off walls to enable to hit an object that he cannot even see (his shackles). Gambit can do that period, neither can Bullseye.

Yes Bullseye can. ANY accuracy feat Cap has Bullseye has 10 more that top it. Don't ever think otherwise.

Still think Cap wins this fight though



Originally posted by Alfheim
No you dont get it. Picking a lock with your feet means you can pick a lock with your feet, that does not mean you can then use it to throw objects with extreme accuracy. People can pick locks with there hands that does not mean then can then throw objects with extreme accuracy until further proof is given.

He's not looking at it as a dexterity feat but rather as a testament to how skilled Cap is with the shield that he doesn't a) need the shield or b) need to see the target

Alfheim
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yes Bullseye can. ANY accuracy feat Cap has Bullseye has 10 more that top it. Don't ever think otherwise.

I disagree I think Cap is more accurate with his shield than bullseye is with his objects. You'll have to prove it, I know i could be wrong but you know me im gonna vouch for cap.


Originally posted by marvelprince

He's not looking at it as a dexterity feat but rather as a testament to how skilled Cap is with the shield that he doesn't a) need the shield or b) need to see the target

Bro picking a lock with your feet dont mean you can throw objects with extreme accuracy.

ThePittman

Alfheim

Rick/Genis

marvelprince
Originally posted by Alfheim
I disagree I think Cap is more accurate with his shield than bullseye is with his objects. You'll have to prove it, I know i could be wrong but you know me im gonna vouch for cap.

Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028165ic.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028176xv.jpg

More

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01182qe.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01198dr.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01208ll.jpg

Another

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8772/accuracy213xs.gif

Need anything else lemme know

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro picking a lock with your feet dont mean you can throw objects with extreme accuracy.

Thats my point. I was agreeing with you

Alfheim
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028165ic.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deadpool028176xv.jpg

More

http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01182qe.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01198dr.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevilthetargetbk01208ll.jpg

Another

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8772/accuracy213xs.gif

Need anything else lemme know





I can rebut that but im gonna have to go. Laters.

ThePittman

ThePittman

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap is not as/more accurate than Bullseye.


No, but they are very, very close. So is Hawkeye and Bullseye.

Gambit, however, is not as accurate. Even so, Captain America is stronger, faster, more experienced, a better combatant, etc.

In a featureless enviornment, Gambit has an advantage, considering the only thing Cap has to rely on is his superior agility, considering he can keep up with Spider-Man on his own power. However, Gambit is a cocky idiot, thinking that he'd win the fight straight out, which Cap would take to his advantage, and eventually beat him. Considering he can see bullets in slow motion, and dodge them easily, saying Cap cannot deflect Gambit's cards or get out of the way of them is just ridiculous. More times than not, Cap will get in close and Gambit will get sonned, hard.

In an empy City street, Gambit is doomed. Cap is a WW2 veteran, who is used to urban combat. Hell, he lives in New York for chirstsakes! This fight would end in a couple shield throws, considering the only person I've seen deflect that shield from a ricochet is Spider-Man, and there is no visible way that Gambit can compete, I don't care how many misfiring Danger Room droids he's avoided.

Cap in the first scenario takes 7/10
Cap in the second scenario takes 9/10

/Thread.

ThePittman

Beta Ray Howard
Originally posted by ThePittman

I still hate that they consider him to be peek human because with all the things that he can do is well beyond peek human.

I agree wholeheartedly. I tell people all the time that from day one he is an enhanced human, more akin to Deathstroke, not Batman. The only reason they have Bats and Cap fight is because they're the martial artists of the flagship groups. It's lame. erm

keak da sneak

Redatom65
deep moment on the boards...






















Cap for the win

ThePittman
Originally posted by Redatom65
deep moment on the boards...






















Cap for the win stick out tongue

Muck101
Thank god, a vs. thread against a superhuman that cap can undoubtedly win! I love cap. He's awesome. Im not too up on either of them lately, dont know anything about what add-ons to power theyve gotten. But I say Cap wins via charge or shield toss. Even if Gambit dodges, the shield rebounds Happy Dance

ExtraMision5555
In a normal setting, i can see gambit winning
too much expolsive tossing and


for the record


as far as accuracy/throwing feats goes

Bullseye>>>>>captain america

ThePittman
I have added some scans of some throwing skills of Gambit that questioned his skill.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/gambit/Throwing_Gambit_004.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/gambit/Throwing_Gambit_005.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/gambit/Throwing_Gambit_001.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/gambit/Throwing_Gambit_002.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/caslandr/gambit/Throwing_Gambit_003.jpg

King KAM
Gambit has great accuracy anyone who thinks he doesnt needs to read some more, Cap has a better trick for the fact that th shield can literally strike gambit almost 20 times with one throw.

But cap is as agile and a better blocker than gambit is a card thrower, and gambits only got about 1 second to hit him because after that, game over.

Rick/Genis

Rick/Genis
All we need to do to settle this debate is look at the AMAZING GAME:

MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 2

If you use your CHARGING STAR at the same time Gambit uses his FIFTY-TWO card pick up!!! Guess which move prevails... and guess who gets smacked down. The end.

CAP WINS!!!

King KAM
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
CIS isn't barred from debates... the fact of the matter is, is that Cap isnt letting gambit touch him, he knows who the **** gambit is, and cap plays the field too well. He would avoid all finget tip contact.

Rick/Genis
I know... I agree with you, buddy.

King KAM
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I know... I agree with you, buddy. like 90% of the time....

Rick/Genis
probably more like 96%

King KAM
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
probably more like 96% yeah now that i read up on genis...

manorastroman
why is everybody wasting time on comparing their accuracy? they're fighting each other, and i think it's safe to say that they can each hit a man-sized target. so that's kinda a moot point.

i think cap would win, and by all rights cap should win, but gambit takes at least 3/10. he's superhumanly agile, can block bullets with his staff, can draw charge and throw GIANT EXPLODING CARDS in fractions of a second...

don't shiv
Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no no no.

Cap has escaped from a device which is used to contain shape shifters thats more impressive than picking a lock with your feet. You just dont know cap. Cap was escaping from prisons and stuff before Gambit was born.

heh.

and yet Cap spent three thirds of his life in an ice cube.

heh.

Alfheim
Originally posted by don't shiv
heh.

and yet Cap spent three thirds of his life in an ice cube.

heh.

He was unconscious moron. Im sorry cap usually has to be awake in order to escape from stuff.

Alfheim

ThePittman
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
CIS isn't barred from debates... I'm not saying CIS is banned but every character has fought stupidly and also great, Gambit has out thought and fought some great fighters as well as being to cocky.Originally posted by Rick/Genis
All we need to do to settle this debate is look at the AMAZING GAME:

MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 2

If you use your CHARGING STAR at the same time Gambit uses his FIFTY-TWO card pick up!!! Guess which move prevails... and guess who gets smacked down. The end.

CAP WINS!!! stick out tongue Very funny winkOriginally posted by King KAM
the fact of the matter is, is that Cap isnt letting gambit touch him, he knows who the **** gambit is, and cap plays the field too well. He would avoid all finget tip contact. The only way Cap couldn't not allow Gambit to touch him is to not get into H2H with him or is in such a skill level above Gambit such as Spider-Man that he could avoid the touch, which he is not.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well this is the thing cap cant kill a person at a 100 fet with a toothpick, what im saying is that Cap is more accurate with his shield. The problem with these scans is that eventhough they are very difficult tasks they still dont compare to caps.

http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s5yj1.jpg

The distance is shorter but cap cant see what hes aiming at and is not using his hands.

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capskilllm4.jpg

That accuracy is like pre-cog. He is able to predict where the shield is going to land at the same time he throws flag smasher.

The problem with Bullseyes is that he is using his hands and he knows more or less were his target is. Cap is not just aiming he is predicting. Cap has great accuracy, I'm not disagreeing you but he only uses his shield, he knows everything about it from the way it moves to how if flies in a storm. Bullseyes can use anything as weapons from a toothpick to a box of tissues, he instinctively knows how something will fly and use it to it full potential, and this requires more skill and accuracy then Cap.





Originally posted by Alfheim
When he is using the shield to bounce of this it is not pre-cog in the least, he knows exactly where it will end up before he throws it and then puts the opponent in that spot to be hit. With that logic you can say the same about Gambit. This is totally irrelevant.



Originally posted by Alfheim

Read his Bullseye Bio again.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Bullseye
" Bullseye has no superhuman powers. However, his uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles. He has demonstrated the ability to lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away."




Originally posted by Alfheim
No it is not because a human can not see a bullet, period this is medical fact and I shouldn't have to teach you biology so get off this, I'm not your high school teacher. In order for a human to see a bullet in flight they have to be super human, Cap shouldn't be classified as peak human because he does feats that are above that, such as see bullets in flight.

ThePittman
Another thing that I just remembered, with the whole Cap can see bullets thing Gambit does the same. He can use his staff to deflect bullets, which required more degree of control then using a large shield, and not only deflect them but actually send them back to the shooter. No I don't have a scan for you because the comic that it is in is back home in AZ, if anyone has the scan that would be great.

Alfheim
Originally posted by ThePittman


Cap has great accuracy, I'm not disagreeing you but he only uses his shield, he knows everything about it from the way it moves to how if flies in a storm. Bullseyes can use anything as weapons from a toothpick to a box of tissues, he instinctively knows how something will fly and use it to it full potential, and this requires more skill and accuracy then Cap.

Yes I know all that....nevermind. I'll just be repeating myself again.

Originally posted by ThePittman


When he is using the shield to bounce of this it is not pre-cog in the least, he knows exactly where it will end up before he throws it and then puts the opponent in that spot to be hit. With that logic you can say the same about Gambit. This is totally irrelevant.



Pittman, pittman, pittman what am I gonna do with you? Yes I know its not pre-cog its like pre-cog because its so accurate. How the hell has Gambit done anything similar to what cap did. All Gambit does is aim at a target, its not the same as what cap did in ths scans. Im mean all you did is show me some rubbish scans of Gambit hitting an object from 50 feet away and then killing some zombie thing...serioulsy now your just wasting my time

Originally posted by ThePittman

Read his Bullseye Bio again.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Bullseye
" Bullseye has no superhuman powers. However, his uncanny ability to use virtually any common object as a lethal projectile actually makes him more dangerous than many characters who do have superhuman powers. Although he is not technically superhuman, Bullseye can accomplish many feats with thrown projectiles. He has demonstrated the ability to lacerate a person's throat with a thrown playing card, spit his own tooth through a human skull, toss a paper airplane to a distant rooftop, and kill a person with a toothpick thrown through a window from a hundred yards away."


...and? I dont even think you got my point.


Originally posted by ThePittman

No it is not because a human can not see a bullet, period this is medical fact and I shouldn't have to teach you biology so get off this, I'm not your high school teacher. In order for a human to see a bullet in flight they have to be super human, Cap shouldn't be classified as peak human because he does feats that are above that, such as see bullets in flight.

Well I wont disagree with that but I will disagree with it being PIS


Originally posted by ThePittman
Another thing that I just remembered, with the whole Cap can see bullets thing Gambit does the same. He can use his staff to deflect bullets, which required more degree of control then using a large shield, and not only deflect them but actually send them back to the shooter. No I don't have a scan for you because the comic that it is in is back home in AZ, if anyone has the scan that would be great.

Until gambit says he can actually see bullets hes not seeing bullets, it could be argued that when people point guns at him he can predict where the bullets are going to be and he puts his staff there.

ThePittman

ThePittman

Rick/Genis
You do realize that if it were written, captain America would win, right? I know that doesn't matter but it's a point to mention.

It doesn't take the same calculations to throw lots of cards as it does to ricochet something. If you were playing pool and had lots of balls it would be easier than letting one ball ricochet off each corner (I think that's the best way to describe it). Also... seeing something in slow motion and being able to deflect something back at something is not necessarily the same. A Fly can come back at me and I can hit it with a baseball bat... it means I can see it, but not in slowmotion. Gambit may see a bullet better than the average human.. but not in slowmotion like it has been PROVEN with Cap.

Francisco
Gambit should take this but Cap. America's jobber aura won't allow it.
The shield isn't that big he can't cover all over with it. Plus Gambit is just as fast and precise as him. I remember that years so aliens were shooting at Gambit with some machinegun like weapon and he out danced the bullets.

But anyway you just can't beat a guy wearing a flag.

ThePittman

King KAM
why does everyone think that cap cant take a blast???? people underestimate his durability, he COULD take a bunch of blasts from the cards, he wouldnt but he could if he needed to save some kids or some shit

King KAM
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
All we need to do to settle this debate is look at the AMAZING GAME:

MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 2

If you use your CHARGING STAR at the same time Gambit uses his FIFTY-TWO card pick up!!! Guess which move prevails... and guess who gets smacked down. The end.

CAP WINS!!! i wonder who wins with cap versus Juggs chargin special...

ThePittman

Rick/Genis
I think the Charging star beats juggs too.. not too sure about that though.

ThePittman

Rick/Genis
no... we're talking about if He does s Charging Star and Juggernaut does his headbutt... who comes out the victor?

ThePittman
I'm not sure, but I did Jugg's move through the game and they did theirs and I still won but I don't know if that move stopped it.

ThePittman
From what I read, the Dan character has the strongest move.

newyorkcares
Originally posted by TheKahn
the reason I picked these two guys is becase one is mainly defensive (Cap's shield) and the other is mostly offensive (Gambit's cards) If Gambit can keep his distance he might could take Cap out
Hellz no. Work with me,here. A theif with the ability to charge playing cards against...the legend of world war 2? what the fuzz? cap would own gambit with a sheild to the chops before gambit could even spit out snappy cajun banter. not quite a curb stopm, but an ass whupping indeed.

newyorkcares
sorry, curbstomp

ExtraMision5555

ExtraMision5555
Another thing

Why is everoyne speaking as if its going to be 1 shot KO for cap?
he tosses his shield at gambit and then.. its over?


surely you dont all thing thats how this fights going to go do you?
that would be silly

ThePittman
Originally posted by newyorkcares
Hellz no. Work with me,here. A theif with the ability to charge playing cards against...the legend of world war 2? what the fuzz? cap would own gambit with a sheild to the chops before gambit could even spit out snappy cajun banter. not quite a curb stopm, but an ass whupping indeed. If the just went H2H, then yes Cap would kick the crap out of Gambit but this is not just a H2H fight.

King KAM
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Another thing

Why is everoyne speaking as if its going to be 1 shot KO for cap?
he tosses his shield at gambit and then.. its over?


surely you dont all thing thats how this fights going to go do you?
that would be silly gambit was frightened to fight Deadpool, who is frightened to fight cap.

As for your hand grenade comment, How long do you think gambit has until Cap gets to him, because in reality if cap keeps the shield he might have 1 second, if cap throws the shield he has 1 second that he doesnt even get to focus.

I have scans of cap stepping on landmines and then flipping away before the mine itself blows up, meaning Gambit better hit his ass, because if hes close, than cap gets away.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by King KAM
gambit was frightened to fight Deadpool, who is frightened to fight cap.

As for your hand grenade comment, How long do you think gambit has until Cap gets to him, because in reality if cap keeps the shield he might have 1 second, if cap throws the shield he has 1 second that he doesnt even get to focus.

I have scans of cap stepping on landmines and then flipping away before the mine itself blows up, meaning Gambit better hit his ass, because if hes close, than cap gets away.



Gambit frightened to fight DP, who was frighteend to fight cap

well

fortunately here were not writeing a comic, and a varible such as the one you just listed would have no bearing in this fight
otherwise this is a non-fight

Now that thats out of the way
i really dont understand why gambit wouldent be able to dodge caps shield, its not a homeing missile, nore is it 300 foot cinderblock flying at light speeds. I understand cap is very, very adept with his shield, dont get me wrong, but lets not forget that gambit too is adept with his card(s) (key word, carS, multiple)

And cap does have crazy reflexes, yes, but replace 1 landmine with 16 landmines blowing up simotainously
Cap can do all the flipping and dogeing he likes, but short of teleportation in a nightcrawler-esque fashion, theirs a point where a blast is unavoideable. COuld he survive an assault like that from gambit? aboslutely, and im not saying he wouldent. But he sure isint dodgeing it all of the time (and vice versa)
And although not AS likely, gambit could attempt to mess up the trajectroy of the shield via cards. IM not saying this is a viable tactic, or even that it would happen, but gambit has multiple avenues of averting getting slapped by caps shield.

But heres what wont happen,

fight starts
cap throws his shield
hits gambit in the head
the end





thats just goofy

ThePittman
One problem is the type of landmine that he tripped blast vs. fragmentation; a blast would be very easy for someone of Caps skill to dodge, even Gambit or any other skilled person. Blast landmines are the most common form of anti-personal landmine used so more than likely it was this type, this are low yield explosives and do more breaking damage to targets with the concussive force. This is not a very impressive feat and also given the fact that Cap knows that he just stepped on a mine, where it is and can prepare for the maneuver.

OH, and Deadpool is also scared of little pink trolls but that doesn't make them masters at H2H. stick out tongue

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by ThePittman
One problem is the type of landmine that he tripped blast vs. fragmentation; a blast would be very easy for someone of Caps skill to dodge, even Gambit or any other skilled person. Blast landmines are the most common form of anti-personal landmine used so more than likely it was this type, this are low yield explosives and do more breaking damage to targets with the concussive force. This is not a very impressive feat and also given the fact that Cap knows that he just stepped on a mine, where it is and can prepare for the maneuver.

OH, and Deadpool is also scared of little pink trolls but that doesn't make them masters at H2H. stick out tongue

thumb up

King KAM
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Gambit frightened to fight DP, who was frighteend to fight cap

well

fortunately here were not writeing a comic, and a varible such as the one you just listed would have no bearing in this fight
otherwise this is a non-fight

Now that thats out of the way
i really dont understand why gambit wouldent be able to dodge caps shield, its not a homeing missile, nore is it 300 foot cinderblock flying at light speeds. I understand cap is very, very adept with his shield, dont get me wrong, but lets not forget that gambit too is adept with his card(s) (key word, carS, multiple)

And cap does have crazy reflexes, yes, but replace 1 landmine with 16 landmines blowing up simotainously
Cap can do all the flipping and dogeing he likes, but short of teleportation in a nightcrawler-esque fashion, theirs a point where a blast is unavoideable. COuld he survive an assault like that from gambit? aboslutely, and im not saying he wouldent. But he sure isint dodgeing it all of the time (and vice versa)
And although not AS likely, gambit could attempt to mess up the trajectroy of the shield via cards. IM not saying this is a viable tactic, or even that it would happen, but gambit has multiple avenues of averting getting slapped by caps shield.

But heres what wont happen,

fight starts
cap throws his shield
hits gambit in the head
the end





thats just goofy
You have to see the fact that, Caps shield is going to mean that Gambit has to pay attention, because you say its not a homing missile, but its for damn sure acts like one. If gambit dodges it once, good job, but he has about 20 times more that hes gonna have to dodge it, all coming from different angles, sometimes behind him. Sometimes blind sighting, he HAS to pay attention to the shield and nothing else if he wishes to dodge it.If he doesnt, he gets KOed, can we agree on that?

As for the hand grenade thing, if cap keeps the shield. He blocks the blasts and jumps and dodges most of them, I mean the man has been able to dodge multiple grenades, and block lazers which were coming at him damn near simealtaneuously, If h can block things traveling at the speed of light he can block cards.

And as for him needing to dissapear....He can do that too...

Rick/Genis
What EVERYONE needs to realize and face the fact of is this:

If this fight lasts more than 4 seconds it's going to end in a close combat scenario... which gives the lean a 100% advantage to Cap.

manorastroman
gambit is very skilled hand to hand. combined with his superhuman attributes and charging abilities, i don't think that cap will even TOTALLY dominate h2h. sure, the cap is vastly superior in skill and experience, but to say that gambit gets taken out without being able to lay a single finger on cap or the shield is an insult.

King KAM
Originally posted by manorastroman
gambit is very skilled hand to hand. combined with his superhuman attributes and charging abilities, i don't think that cap will even TOTALLY dominate h2h. sure, the cap is vastly superior in skill and experience, but to say that gambit gets taken out without being able to lay a single finger on cap or the shield is an insult. no its not an insult, its the truth, cap is still physically superior, much better trained, and is one of the hardest men in comics to land a blow on.


And in other news...i just read civil war 6....cap demolished punisher..lol

Rick/Genis
bam!

King KAM
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
bam! u read it?

Rick/Genis
No... I want it bad!

marvelprince
Cap beat Frank cause Frank wouldn't even hit him back. I wouldn't take too much pride in that.

Cap still wins this one though

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by King KAM
no its not an insult, its the truth, cap is still physically superior, much better trained, and is one of the hardest men in comics to land a blow on.


And in other news...i just read civil war 6....cap demolished punisher..lol

CAN YOU PUT A SPOILER ALERT ON TAHT???????

GOSH!!!!!!!!!


wseklfalsdjfldkafklaklfad
KAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Francisco
Originally posted by King KAM
no its not an insult, its the truth, cap is still physically superior, much better trained, and is one of the hardest men in comics to land a blow on.


And in other news...i just read civil war 6....cap demolished punisher..lol

Is Cap really physically superior? I was told Gambit was twice stronger and faster than a normal human.

Alfheim
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cap beat Frank cause Frank wouldn't even hit him back. I wouldn't take too much pride in that.

Cap still wins this one though

Why the hell wouldnt he fight back...all of a sudden frank worships cap? There aint much difference between DD and Cap.

marvelprince
Originally posted by Alfheim
Why the hell wouldnt he fight back...all of a sudden frank worships cap? There aint much difference between DD and Cap.

Frank never really goes out of his way to fight Daredevil. Most of the times I can think of involve Frank trying to kill someone and Matt busting in to kick his ass. He's even tried to help Matt a lot of times. Difference between Matt and Steve though is that Frank considers Steve to be a soldier. He's a legend that even Frank used to look up to.

Alfheim
Originally posted by marvelprince
Frank never really goes out of his way to fight Daredevil. Most of the times I can think of involve Frank trying to kill someone and Matt busting in to kick his ass. He's even tried to help Matt a lot of times. Difference between Matt and Steve though is that Frank considers Steve to be a soldier. He's a legend that even Frank used to look up to.

That makes sense. Its a shame they had to fight because I like Frank as well. When you think about it both of them are extermists. One refuses to kill and one always kill, if they could both find some middle ground everything could be fine.

ThePittman
Originally posted by Francisco
Is Cap really physically superior? I was told Gambit was twice stronger and faster than a normal human. As for being stronger, better endurance and a more skilled fighter he is. As for reaction speed I'm not sure.

Alfheim

cheap cabbage
Gambit can just charge the ground. Cap can't fly. BOOM!

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ExtraMision5555
Why is this even about whos more accurate with thier thorwing weapon?
Truthfully, as i (and some otherS) have stated before, gambit does not have to be dead on. NOT to say that he couldent be, but he doesnt HAVE to. Not only that, cap has ONE, shield, gambit has SEVERAL cards.

Cards that EXPLODE

These extra factors pertty much level off any trajectory advantage cap could have over gambit. Basicly its two different types of good. At the same time, to say that cap is going to one shot gambit is absurd. WHos to say he wont miss? Maybe if gambits standing still, sure, but hes not. Gambit is incredibly agile. As is cap, but the big disadvantage cap has is the fact that gambit makes things explode when he thorws them. Caps shield isint explodeing, its bouncing, so in SOME aspects, it wont take as much effort to avoid colateral than it will be for captain america



Doesnt gambit play pool?

youd think he'd be able to predict caps trajectory if he did
and not to mention, cap can use trajectory in the PERFECT setting, but im sure their not going to be fighting in an alley full of curved walls and bouncy things
again
not to undermind cap, but come on, the trajectory thing is getting a little rediculous

Rick/Genis
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Why is this even about whos more accurate with thier thorwing weapon?
Truthfully, as i (and some otherS) have stated before, gambit does not have to be dead on. NOT to say that he couldent be, but he doesnt HAVE to. Not only that, cap has ONE, shield, gambit has SEVERAL cards.

Cards that EXPLODE

These extra factors pertty much level off any trajectory advantage cap could have over gambit. Basicly its two different types of good. At the same time, to say that cap is going to one shot gambit is absurd. WHos to say he wont miss? Maybe if gambits standing still, sure, but hes not. Gambit is incredibly agile. As is cap, but the big disadvantage cap has is the fact that gambit makes things explode when he thorws them. Caps shield isint explodeing, its bouncing, so in SOME aspects, it wont take as much effort to avoid colateral than it will be for captain america



Doesnt gambit play pool?

youd think he'd be able to predict caps trajectory if he did
and not to mention, cap can use trajectory in the PERFECT setting, but im sure their not going to be fighting in an alley full of curved walls and bouncy things
again
not to undermind cap, but come on, the trajectory thing is getting a little rediculous

When you play pool you predict the trajectories that come after you? I don't think so... being that they DON'T come after you. Pool is only used as an example of caps strategy... not to be taken literally.

Gambit WOULD dodge caps initial shield throw... throw some cards (which cap would easily dodge) cap rushes forward to make it hand to hand... they go at it for about 7 seconds before the shield comes crashing into the back of Gambits head.... fight over.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
When you play pool you predict the trajectories that come after you? I don't think so... being that they DON'T come after you. Pool is only used as an example of caps strategy... not to be taken literally.

Gambit WOULD dodge caps initial shield throw... throw some cards (which cap would easily dodge) cap rushes forward to make it hand to hand... they go at it for about 7 seconds before the shield comes crashing into the back of Gambits head.... fight over.

Im not saying it would make him able to telegraph the path of his shield, but it MIGHT help, but still, very speculative

Anyways, sure, i agree with you, that scenario could happen as cap has done this before. But heres where the problem lies
Cap throws his shield, gambit dodges, throws a few cards, cap dodges, shield comes back around,
cap comes rushing foward....



gambit isint in the place cap predicted.


Again,
since when was caps shield a homeing missile?

Cap can be wrong. Because if thats the case
you could just as easily say

Cap rushes foward, charges gambit with a grin on his face..
and gets a full deck in his chest

boom, caps dead

shield falls tragicly to the ground.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by King KAM
You have to see the fact that, Caps shield is going to mean that Gambit has to pay attention, because you say its not a homing missile, but its for damn sure acts like one. If gambit dodges it once, good job, but he has about 20 times more that hes gonna have to dodge it, all coming from different angles, sometimes behind him. Sometimes blind sighting, he HAS to pay attention to the shield and nothing else if he wishes to dodge it.If he doesnt, he gets KOed, can we agree on that?

As for the hand grenade thing, if cap keeps the shield. He blocks the blasts and jumps and dodges most of them, I mean the man has been able to dodge multiple grenades, and block lazers which were coming at him damn near simealtaneuously, If h can block things traveling at the speed of light he can block cards.

And as for him needing to dissapear....He can do that too...

i apologize id idnt reply to this earlier
wasnt ignoreing youor anything

anyways, gambits not going to have to dodge an additional 20+ times, maybe twice, and three's pushing it ( i understand you were being a bit sarcastic, though stick out tongue )

cap can block some blasts im sure, but to a point, it becomes unvaoidable, shield or not

and god forbid gambit touches caps shield

xmarksthespot
Someone should ask Digi to merge this with the other 6 Gambit/CA threads. no expression

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