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Runner vs JLA

Superman , Wonder W , MM , Gl , Batman , Flash

Runner. Pretty easily.

whose runner

MM might have a chance, or possably GL, but only if they played it really smart while the Runner played it c.ocky. If they're actually fighting in the DCU, Flash might be able to counter the Runner if he manipulates the speed force itself. OTOH, if Wally tries his usual "go fast" tactics, he'll loose.

No one yet has attempted brute force against the Runner and not been humbled. He's won 1 on 1 bouts with both the Silver Surfer and Thanos. The Surfer was nearly beaten to death.

Finally someone gives the Runner some props!

Does the Runner have the space gem?

The Runner has the power to make people "like him" as well as at least class 50 strength (Marvel RPG has him at Class 100).

The JLA would have to be very careful not to let their guards down against this special ability.

So, even if they can avoid his "likability" factor, Batman and WW would simply outclassed and beaten senslessly.

GL and Superman definitely would stand a chance, but the writers would probably want a face off between the Flash and the Runner.

Space Gem Runner owns.

Regular Runner could be narrowly defeated with a sound plan from SUpes, Flash and GL.

Manhunter is way too slow. GL is way too slow. Supes is way too slow. Even FLASH is too slow. And the Runner cannot be killed. Plus I think he can use the Power Primordial. Once again, the JLA is screwed.

Yeah, he has power primordial, all Elders do.

Runner isn't as fast as he seems, he more or less bends reality and space to make himself fast. He isn't the fastest in the Marvel Universe, but he's still probably faster than Flash though.

The fastest in MU is the eternal guy, he became light and can go as fast as speed itself. Mihkala or something, I can't remember.

Originally posted by long pig
Yeah, he has power primordial, all Elders do.

Runner isn't as fast as he seems, he more or less bends reality and space to make himself fast. He isn't the fastest in the Marvel Universe, but he's still probably faster than Flash though.

The fastest in MU is the eternal guy, he became light and can go as fast as speed itself. Mihkala or something, I can't remember.
Runner is faster

Makkari is child when comparing to the Runner

Faster than the eternal guy?

Does he bend reality and space to make himself fast or does he actually just run?

Mikkari beat him in a race though.

Originally posted by long pig
Mikkari beat him in a race though.
Nope Runner --- has no limits, he was quicker than the Silver Surfer

Here is Mikkari and Runner racing note Runner is not even trying

enjoy

That isn't the end of the race, mikkari at the last minute turns into pure speed and zips past Runner without trying.

without trying? He just said he was doing his darnedest while Runner wasn't trying.

Originally posted by long pig
That isn't the end of the race, mikkari at the last minute turns into pure speed and zips past Runner without trying.
Runner doesn't race Mikkari

where does he zips? he doesn't do shit

He is the guy who shoots the gun.

Mikkari is no match, in speed Runner can go from this side of the universe to another.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6011/makkari1xn.png

He becomes pure speed, going the top speed possible. He zips by Runner.

ZIPPPPPP.

Originally posted by long pig
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6011/makkari1xn.png

He becomes pure speed, going the top speed possible. He zips by Runner.
what issue is that looks like fan art

lol it isn't, it's a reprint of the original issue. Cheap B&W.

Mikkari is the guy who makes fast vehicles, that shit surprised me to say the least, out of no where he becomes faster than speed itself.

I don't know if he could do it again though.

lol. Well, in kgkg's defense, M was certainly TRYING. I also wonder who would win a rematch now that the Runner has his measure....

Originally posted by long pig
lol it isn't, it's a reprint of the original issue. Cheap B&W.

Mikkari is the guy who makes fast vehicles, that shit surprised me to say the least, out of no where he becomes faster than speed itself.

I don't know if he could do it again though.
even that scan doesn't show mak is faster than Runner.

for all who know Runner wasn't even trying

It's possible Runner wasn't trying still, but Mik says himself(don't know how he'd know) that he became speed itself, as fast as speed can go.

The real question is could he do it again?

But what is "speed"? there IS no limit to how fast something can go. "speed itself" is a non-term. Speed is a measurement. That's like saying, "I'm the tallest person in the universe because I'm as tall as height itself". Doesn't make sense.

We don't know if there is a limit or not.

So then we can't say that you can't go faster than speed itself any more than we can say you can't grow taller than height itself, right?

height is an measurement, there is no such thing as height-itself !! Same as no such thing as speed-itslef !!!!

Such measurement can not be given such "embodiment", unlike Death or Eternity which are the embodiment the state of 'non-living' and the state of 'forever-living'

Understand, you cannot impersonate measurement scales !!

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
height is an measurement, there is no such thing as height-itself !! Same as no such thing as speed-itslef !!!!

Such measurement can not be given such "embodiment", unlike Death or Eternity which are the embodiment the state of 'non-living' and the state of 'forever-living'

Understand, you cannot impersonate measurement scales !!

Wow, that's a great point. Wonder why I never thought of that...

Well, I'm pretty tall......possibly taller than height itself if I stand on my tippy toes.

Eternals manipulate cosmic energy much like the elders do though generally to a lesser degree. I can see Makkari discovering some new technique that the Runner hadn't pulled yet. The Runner has millions of years of experience though. Whatever Makkari came up with after training on that planet full of super-fast creatures for those few months, now that the Runner knows it's possable he literally would not rest until he had mastered or exceeded it.

I don't think speed has a limit, when Makkari said he become speed itself, I think it means more like "I've reached my ultimate speed", HIS own limit, not the Runner's not anyone's else !!

So now we know Makkari's limt, but Runner's limit........... is still yet to be discovered...

I think Runner just jobbed a little there, he doesn't have millions of years experience, he has billions.

JLA wins


once ur on earth ya cant go faster than light speed. in open space ya can but not on earth. on earth, hed be flash's speed. between flash, supes (as cannon fodder) and martian manhunters telepathy. runner goes down

He doesn't "run fast", he bends reality and space to turn normally immense distances into small areas.

Runner can turn a billion lightyears into a few feet, basically making him look fast.

Also, he's an empath, he forces people to like him even if he's trying to kill them.

He would be as fast on earth than he is in space, the JLA couldn't even begin to counter him.

If he bends reality, why does he calls himself the Runner ??

Runner's speed abilities are boosted from his ability to bend time and space, but without using them long pig he's still faster than guys like Silver Surfer, he's THE speedster.
His strenght and invulnerability plus energy projection mixed with his reflexes are something the JLA should pray to do not face in battle.
Runner outmatch them in every sector.
But I'm still waiting for Batman fanboys saying his raging dog jumping kick can K.O. the runner.

k3v, have you been drinking ? Or just had sex ?

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
k3v, have you been drinking ? Or just had sex ?
Why are you asking?

Originally posted by K3VIL
But I'm still waiting for Batman fanboys saying his raging dog jumping kick can K.O. the runner.

Oh I see...... You just broke up with your girly/..

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Oh I see...... You just broke up with your girly/..
At the moment I'm not dating any girl in a serious manner and I'm not hooked to any girl so what are you saying?

lol, "Batkick=god".

By Dizzle.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
JLA wins


once ur on earth ya cant go faster than light speed. in open space ya can but not on earth. on earth, hed be flash's speed. between flash, supes (as cannon fodder) and martian manhunters telepathy. runner goes down
Not true

Runner is bound to nothing like planets etc.

Marvel Speedsters are not like DC ones

he can make the flash look like he is frozen

i just did my research


i was wrong




(for once)

Runner won't get touched by any of them. He's lightyears ahead of Wally, and he can manipulate the fabric of space itself. Add that to the Power Primordial, and the Infinity Space Gem, and the sheer ownage factor is incalculable.

Unless Batman manages to get in a good kick, the JLA is screwed.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Runner won't get touched by any of them. He's lightyears ahead of Wally, and he can manipulate the fabric of space itself. Add that to the Power Primordial, and the Infinity Space Gem, and the sheer ownage factor is incalculable.

Unless Batman manages to get in a good kick, the JLA is screwed.
Even if he gets touched what will any of them do, he tossed the silver surfer and over powered him.


Ohhhhhh batman's kick, I forgot about that

They aren't doing anything to him, considering his durability, but the fact is, they will be statues compared to Runner. He could shrug off an attack from any of them, but if he doesn't want them touching him, he could simply manipulate the space between them. But that doesn't matter, since none of them would realize he's there, or be able to see him.

The only way the JLA could possibly pull off a victory is if Batman kicks Runner, defeating him.

To clarify, the Runner only started spacewarping after he got the Space Gem. Prior to that, his ability to warp space was limited to pushing against empty space with his feet. With the Space Gem he could warp space to travel shorter distances than he'd otherwise have to, and would sometimes subconciously teleport. Just like Moondragon retained her TK after loosing her Gem, he has retained the ability to warp space, but that's not how he runs so fast to begin with. He really does just move that quickly. If he was all spacewarps, he wouldn't have been able to clobber the surfer the way he did. If he'd chosen to warp space, he would've beaten Makkari in the Galactic Marathon; but that would have been cheating. If we ever see the Universal Marathon, I expect the Runner to take the rematch.

In a fight, he's not unbeatable but the League would have to come up with something really creative to not just get clobbered. Even Superman would be outmatched by someone who can physically push his own body faster than light (Theoretically, that would require infinite energy. Thankfully, the Power Primordial provides just that).

It'd be hilarious to see something like Plasticman getting caught up in his legs like spaghetti in an eggbeater stop him. The League could win, but not by taking him head on.

So are we relying on........ THE BATMAN DOGGY KICK ??
THE MOST DANGEROUS MANOUver IN DC HISTORY !!!

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Superman would be outmatched by someone who can physically push his own body faster than light (Theoretically, that would require infinite energy. Thankfully, the Power Primordial provides just that).
If the PP is being shown to be infinite energy, then let's say....someone was to turn the power primordial into physical strength(theoretically of course), he could have infinite strength?

I suppose, but we've never met The Weightlifter in all the Elders stories. Only a few of the Elders have developed cosmic energy powers to a significant degree, and then only as they happenned to coincide with their various obsessions. Only the Grandmaster has been able to develop his power for general purpose applications, and boy did he. He can create sentient life from nothing!

Apart from Champion, Runner, and Grandmaster, most of them aren't as personally impressive. Even Obliterator and Possesor are very reliant on tools for their powers.

Champion IS the weight lifter. he amps his strength with the PP.

It was a loaded question, I was wanting you to say "Why yes, if there was a being who amped himself up with the PP for strength, he could have limitless strength", but you didn't do that.

Of course you were.

They all have amped bodies to some degree. The Collector certainly isn't the feeble old man he looks like. My point was, none of the Elders pursue strength qua strength. The Champion is basically the strongest (though the Runner is the greater all-around athlete) because strength is very important to his focus on combat. Just the same his focus is combat, not strength for it's own sake. Champion is not sufficiently devoted to strength alone to tap the power for strength to that degree.

If there were an Elder who survived antiquity by being so devoted to his own strength that he taps into the primal essence of creation and lives forever, then that guy would have something like limitless strength. Champion should still beat "Weightlifter" in a fight though.

couldn't wally steal runner's speed and give it to himself?

or the other member's of the jla?

If he could touch him... But he can't. Runner would pull a Flash on Flash. He's just that fast.

And to clarify for my friend the C Master, Batman=God batman, not the Batkick. The Batkick is the embodiment of God's (Batman) anger. It is the primal force of destruction in the omniverse. None may stand before its might, save Batman himself. (though he is the only one powerful enough to wield it) Hope we can all see the difference now.