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Iron Fist has full knowledge of his opponents skills and equipment. What happens? The only thing the team knows is he is highly trained martial arts expert.

Team wins easily. He can't fuse chi repeatedly.

Yeah, thats a very stacked team, with Nightwing on it. I cant see IF winning unless he uses his prep time to call in some help.

Danny has some pretty formidable resources, right? Didn't he supply Moon Knight?

Unless he supplied MK with something that'd help him win against a team like the OP has fielded, i dont see that helping.

Originally posted by bobbybatman
Team wins easily. He can't fuse chi repeatedly.

Yes, he can.

He only has the problem with stamina years ago prior to getting Orson Randall's chi, and learning from the Book of the Iron Fist.

Now he can fight on a daily basis in a demonic gladiator arena for months whilst being locked up in a dungeon, and suffering from malnutrition.

Daniel Rand is too fast, and too strong for this group. He easily defeats all three of them and it ends up a lot like the battle simulations where he fights Spiderman, Wolverine, and Captain America at once.

Thunderbolts #137

http://i.imgur.com/L8FRG41.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QzoKQ2U.jpg

Simulations?



Team wins. Easily.

Originally posted by golem370
Iron Fist has full knowledge of his opponents skills and equipment. What happens? The only thing the team knows is he is highly trained martial arts expert.

They come at him.

He chi-bombs them like that train filled with nukes.

Team should win this with minimal effort

Those simulation scans have got to be some of the stupidest things i've ever seen. MFAO

Immortal Iron Fist #23

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373418_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-008.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373419_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-009.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373420_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-010.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373421_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-011.jpg

Dodging four different bullets at once, and does so in slow motion so we can see the bullets in mid-air.

Power Man & Iron Fist #89

https://i.imgur.com/ciYjoBD.jpg

Deflecting dozens of flechettes at once, and creating numerous afterimages.

Power Man & Iron Fist #50

https://i.imgur.com/apaLQqQ.jpg


Catching a bullet with bare hands.

Immortal Iron Fist Annual

https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg

He is able to move within the time-frame of a microsecond.

Iron Fist v3 #1

http://imgur.com/a/TiUNn

It only takes him 0.05 seconds to charge and use his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #54

https://i.imgur.com/WOnwAf0.jpg

He is able to easily defeat a giant dragon.

Immortal Weapons #5

http://imgur.com/a/0EXnr

He is able to take down a helicarrier with a single blow.

New Avengers #59

http://imgur.com/a/BHP0F

The collateral damage from his Iron Fist is compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20

http://imgur.com/a/76zEa

He is able to murder Zhu-Rong, a God of Fire and Universal Order in a single punch.

Iron Fist: ILW #11

https://i.imgur.com/5ckAEMV.jpg

^^^nice.

Those simulation scans were still stupid as hell though.

Originally posted by krisblaze
They come at him.

He chi-bombs them like that train filled with nukes.

Speaking of that.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373441_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-008.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373442_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-009.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373443_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-010.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373444_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-011.jpg


Originally posted by riv6672
^^^nice.

Those simulation scans were still stupid as hell though.

I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.

Oh, and Danny breaks out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak before destroying an inter-dimensional portal with a punch. Which causes a tear in the fabric of reality.

Iron Fist v1 #7

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373445_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_11.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373446_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_12.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373447_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_13.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373448_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_14.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373449_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_15.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373450_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_16.jpg

Batman does the Batusi attack and Iron Fist surrenders.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.
This isnt a CBR blood lust thread (or i wouldnt be in it) so the whole murder thing?
Meh.
Its also not a bad What If...? Comic,so Wolverine's adamantium skull isnt getting chopped off.

Originally posted by riv6672
This isnt a CBR blood lust thread (or i wouldnt be in it) so the whole murder thing?
Meh.
Its also not a bad What If...? Comic,so Wolverine's adamantium skull isnt getting chopped off.

To be fair Danny used Steve's shield so it actually makes some sense there. As adamantium is weak against vibranium, and the shield is a composite of both vibranium and adamantium.

Unless what it's made out of was retconned again.

Also, Danny is able to trick Daredevil's senses.

Power Man & Iron Fist #77

https://i.imgur.com/numK5XD.jpg

He is able to heal himself without even trying now. He doesn't even have to be conscious in order to do it.

Immortal Iron Fist #8

https://i.imgur.com/pwsbIkH.jpg

Originally posted by riv6672
Those simulation scans have got to be some of the stupidest things i've ever seen. MFAO

Originally posted by Sharivan
As adamantium is weak against vibranium, and the shield is a composite of both vibranium and adamantium.

Fail.

The vibranium in Cap's shield is the Wakandan variety, adamantium is not weak to it at all.

You're thinking of Antarctic vibranium, also known as anti-metal.

Bwahahaha!!!!

his only chance would be a surprise AOE attack. i could actually see it happening in a one-fight scenario where they know nothing about him. even if it didn't kill or ko them it would likely take one or 2 and weaken the others to the point he could chi blast them or take them out.

if it comes to melee, he has no chance to beat all 3 of them.

He has k.o'ed Luke Cage so if he hit two of them with that level it should take their heads off or at the very least destroy their spine right?

As for simulations, Iron Man (modular suit) solo'd the X-Men simulation... and even Tony's ego didn't stop him from admitting the real X-Men would've given him more trouble.

Ultimate Wolverine easily completed Ult. Beast's X-Men sim, sustaining only minimal damage, getting hit just once.

Nightwing broke Bane's back in the sim...

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They may be nice feats, but in the end, the sim performance =/= performance against real threats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fail.

The vibranium in Cap's shield is the Wakandan variety, adamantium is not weak to it at all.

You're thinking of Antarctic vibranium, also known as anti-metal.

It's made of both vibranium and adamantium. Why wouldn't it be able to hurt adamantium if enough force is applied to it?

It even has hurt Ultron when he was made out of adamantium. Then again that could have been secondary adamantium or whatever.

If something is similarly tough, and thrown at something just as tough? There's damage if they hit each other hard enough.

Because vibranium adds nothing to the mix, offense-wise. It's great for defensive purposes, though, absorbing tons of kinetic energy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because vibranium adds nothing to the mix, offense-wise. It's great for defensive purposes, though, absorbing tons of kinetic energy.

Which Captain America's shield doesn't actually do because if it did every one of its hits would be useless. As it would absorb kinetic energy when it is both used in defense, and in offense.

Which is again contradicted by things such as Wolverine's claws causing sparks when they hit it. If it absorbed kinetic energy there wouldn't be any force there to be begin, and ergo no sparks.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/qAJnG.jpg

This vibranium is obviously not normal, and adamantium should be able to hurt adamantium if enough force is applied.

Unless only specific parts of it are vibranium, and specific parts of it are adamantium.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Because vibranium adds nothing to the mix, offense-wise. It's great for defensive purposes, though, absorbing tons of kinetic energy.
This is why i just laughed, it didnt invite conversation.

Originally posted by golem370
Iron Fist has full knowledge of his opponents skills and equipment. What happens? The only thing the team knows is he is highly trained martial arts expert.

You've got it backwards. It's the team who needs prep.

Danny can beat the team outright.

Originally posted by riv6672
This is why i just laughed, it didnt invite conversation.

Yes, it does because Captain America's shield clearly does not absorb kinetic energy otherwise it would be useless as a weapon. So, chances are it is Antarctic vibranium or some different vibranium altogether. That, or being mixed with adamantium drastically changed it.

The most out there explanation is that Captain America can somehow control when it absorbs kinetic energy, and when it doesn't absorb kinetic energy but he has no such abilities.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Which Captain America's shield doesn't actually do because if it did every one of its hits would be useless. As it would absorb kinetic energy when it is both used in defense, and in offense.

Yeah, typical comic book magic... same with Sue Richards being able to see while invisible or Class 100 characters getting pierced with knives or bullets.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Which is again contradicted by things such as Wolverine's claws causing sparks when they hit it. If it absorbed kinetic energy there wouldn't be any force there to be begin, and ergo no sparks.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/qAJnG.jpg

When they fought for the first time in the Cap Annual, there were sparks, too. Doesn't mean much, the shield is still renowned for its excellent kinetic energy absorption, allowing Steve to survive hits from characters like the Hulk.

Originally posted by Sharivan
This vibranium is obviously not normal, and adamantium should be able to hurt adamantium if enough force is applied.

Adamantium cannot damage other adamantium, it's been stated and shown numerous times in comics. We're not discussing movies here.

http://s249.photobucket.com/user/MoonKnight616/media/mk49_18.jpg.html

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yes, it does because Captain America's shield clearly does not absorb kinetic energy otherwise it would be useless as a weapon. So, chances are it is Antarctic vibranium or some different vibranium altogether. That, or being mixed with adamantium drastically changed it.

The most out there explanation is that Captain America can somehow control when it absorbs kinetic energy, and when it doesn't absorb kinetic energy but he has no such abilities.

^^^what a maroon.

Originally posted by leonidas
his only chance would be a surprise AOE attack. i could actually see it happening in a one-fight scenario where they know nothing about him. even if it didn't kill or ko them it would likely take one or 2 and weaken the others to the point he could chi blast them or take them out.

if it comes to melee, he has no chance to beat all 3 of them.

Why would that be his only chance?

The only character who comes remotely close to him in the speed department is Cassandra Cain. And his damage soak isn't exactly chopped liver:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-016_zpsa954ea37.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-017_zps342d897d.jpg


That's Prince of Orphans Kamehamehaing Danny out of K'un L'un to Earth (Different dimensions.)

And he comes in like Wolverine after Cap knocked him out of the plane in AvX, without a scratch, so it's not all energy resistance.

Also, Danny himself can throw chi balls around:


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIBSFsMKPjPHHJSJbzuiSPu-QCsMHjzxPiStXBuqsL7fBq15HLB6FyMQ

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, typical comic book magic... same with Sue Richards being able to see while invisible or Class 100 characters getting pierced with knives or bullets.

No, you don't get to handwave it. Those characters being hurt by knives and bullets doesn't make any sense whatsoever either. I want an actual explanation for this not "comic book magic."



Yet, it clearly doesn't the thousands of times it's used as a weapon.

This is clearly not consistent in it's portrayal, and the writers are being idiots again.

I am not really surprised.



By Moon Knight who isn't anywhere near as strong as Daniel Rand. You need an actual significant amount of force behind an attack in order to damage something made out of the same material.

It's no different than not being able to cut barbed wires without the right kind of scissors.

I don't think anyone's using the simulations to argue that Danny wins this.

Rather his history of clearly superhuman feats.

Originally posted by cdtm
Why would that be his only chance?

The only character who comes remotely close to him in the speed department is Cassandra Cain. And his damage soak isn't exactly chopped liver:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-016_zpsa954ea37.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/IronFist-TheLivingWeapon003-017_zps342d897d.jpg


That's Prince of Orphans Kamehamehaing Danny out of K'un L'un to Earth (Different dimensions.)

And he comes in like Wolverine after Cap knocked him out of the plane in AvX, without a scratch, so it's not all energy resistance.

Also, Danny himself can throw chi balls around:


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIBSFsMKPjPHHJSJbzuiSPu-QCsMHjzxPiStXBuqsL7fBq15HLB6FyMQ

i am certainly not going into a feat war here. bats has some crazy damage soak feats and durability feats of his own, has feats to show he is close in speed and dick wouldn't be far behind imo. cass and bats are as skilled (debatably more skilled) and dick is close as well. all 3 also have all their typical gear, and all 3 act as a great team. i don't see any way he takes them 3 on 1 without a surprise attack doing some great damage. if it comes to just cqc they take him out every time imo.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^what a maroon.

*Moron.

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, you don't get to handwave it. Those characters being hurt by knives and bullets doesn't make any sense whatsoever either. I want an actual explanation for this not "comic book magic."

Well, you need to wait for some writer to make one, then. It'll be a long wait...

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yet, it clearly doesn't the thousands of times it's used as a weapon.

This is clearly not consistent in it's portrayal, and the writers are being idiots again.

I am not really surprised.

Yes, he can even hurt guys like Ultimus or Wonder Man with a single shield throw... and nonetheless can also do stuff like wading through Cyclops' optic blast, which is a pure concussive force...

Originally posted by Sharivan
By Moon Knight who isn't anywhere near as strong as Daniel Rand. You need an actual significant amount of force behind an attack in order to damage something made out of the same material.

It's no different than not being able to cut barbed wires without the right kind of scissors.

Not by MK and not by Wolverine, either.

Even if it could get damaged - it can't and it's a rather well-known fact - Danny is not really strong enough to perform such a feat.

Refrain from using the simulation showings, as they are dubious at best.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, you need to wait for some writer to make one, then. It'll be a long wait...

Then we have to go by our own analysis if there isn't one. Since it clearly doesn't absorb kinetic energy then the vibranium it's made out of isn't normal.



You mean how Cyclops was able to push him back with his optic blasts, and how Captain America had to push through it instead of simply strolling through it?

http://i.imgur.com/X32S20o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/x6uIBuA.jpg

That example supports my argument that it doesn't actually absorb kinetic energy.



Danny is able to hit hard enough to take down helicarriers, send Skaar flying with a punch, defeat the Wrecking Crew, break Thunderball's wrecking ball, and break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.

As well as being able to use chi in order to enhance the striking force of inanimate objects. As seen in the battle simulation with those bullets.

Originally posted by leonidas
i am certainly not going into a feat war here. bats has some crazy damage soak feats and durability feats of his own, has feats to show he is close in speed and dick wouldn't be far behind imo. cass and bats are as skilled (debatably more skilled) and dick is close as well. all 3 also have all their typical gear, and all 3 act as a great team. i don't see any way he takes them 3 on 1 without a surprise attack doing some great damage. if it comes to just cqc they take him out every time imo.

Not my intent to feat war this. Simply trying to prove Danny can take a beating and won't drop at the first gang attack. (Further supporting this, Luke Cage clocked berserk/evil Danny in the back of the head, as hard as he could, and only dropped him to his knee, conscious. So chi amping should raise durability.)

Anyways, I know Batman's no pushover in damage soak himself. He could give Frank Castle a run for his money, using his best stuff..

But unless the Bat Family packs secondary adamantium, how are they going to keep themselves from being taken out by Iron Fist spamming? You saw the Black Panther vs Danny scans, right? Only posted about a million times, until even I got sick of seeing them.

He was messed up pretty badly, and he had a vibranium suit.

So lets say all three surround Danny, move in, and launch an attack. Assume Danny takes a beating, but is with it enough to lash out with an IF.

If any of them take a direct hit, can you see them walking away? Or even if it's a glancing blow/near miss, the Iron Fist has chi trails and creates a sonic boom effect. In many, many Iron Fist stories of the past, he's taken entire groups with a single Fist. Batroc's Brigade, a mob of fifty people when Claremont sent him to "hell", a group of terrorist's in Danny and Luke's early team up's (Luke Cage was knocked down from the shockwave himself, from across the room.)

I'm just wondering how you see this fight playing out, that puts him at a disadvantage.

Maybe if Danny doesn't chi spam or use his IF... But are we assuming he fights "fair" and doesn't chi spam?

Originally posted by leonidas
i am certainly not going into a feat war here. bats has some crazy damage soak feats and durability feats of his own, has feats to show he is close in speed and dick wouldn't be far behind imo. cass and bats are as skilled (debatably more skilled) and dick is close as well. all 3 also have all their typical gear, and all 3 act as a great team. i don't see any way he takes them 3 on 1 without a surprise attack doing some great damage. if it comes to just cqc they take him out every time imo.

You do recall that time Danny defeated Davos without his chi? When Davos had it, and when he had the accumulated knowledge of every Iron Fist that died in the Anomaly Gem? Simply by being that much of a better martial artist?

Iron Fist v2 #2

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374109_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p18.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374110_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p19.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374111_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p20.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374112_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p21.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374113_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p22.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374114_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p23.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374115_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p24.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374116_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p25.jpg

Originally posted by Sharivan
You do recall that time Danny defeated Davos without his chi? When Davos had it, and when he had the accumulated knowledge of every Iron Fist that died in the Anomaly Gem? Simply by being that much of a better martial artist?

Iron Fist v2 #2

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374109_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p18.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374110_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p19.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374111_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p20.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374112_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p21.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374113_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p22.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374114_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p23.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374115_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p24.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374116_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p25.jpg

Davos also got roughed up by Colleen Wing and Misty Knight.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Anyways, three words:



Gorgon

Black Tarantula


Name two characters who could walk all over this Bat team.

Seriously, Danny beat Black Tarantula. Without even using an Iron Fist. The same BT who gave Spidey the worst straight up defeats of his career.

Originally posted by cdtm
Davos also got roughed up by Colleen Wing and Misty Knight.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Yeah, but that time Davos had the knowledge of a bunch of dead Iron Fists and a whole bunch of chi courtesy of having stolen it from Danny earlier.

Whereas Danny was powerless, and only had access to what Lei Kung taught him.

There's also the fact Black Panther goes to Danny for advice on martial arts. I have that issue just need to dig it up.

Black Panther v3 #17

http://i.imgur.com/bkDWDGW.jpg

*Post Batman oneshotting Grundy, Wonder woman and beating Aquaman in h2h*

Batman oneshots Danny.

Match this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman owns wonder woman

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15927976_jla_scary_monsters_6_kebbin_02.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15927978_jla_scary_monsters_6_kebbin_03.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15927981_jla_scary_monsters_6_kebbin_04.jpg


Wonder Woman then owns manjobber.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15927982_jla_scary_monsters_6_kebbin_15.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15927983_jla_scary_monsters_6_kebbin_16.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
*Post Batman oneshotting Grundy, Wonder woman and beating Aquaman in h2h*

Batman oneshots Danny.

I agree with you (enjoy it)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=631433&pagenumber=1

Adding to what I posted on the first page.

Danny has easily incapacitated the Thing.

Marvel Two-in-One #94

https://i.imgur.com/12ZqC6A.jpg

Also, providing a reference for when Skaar is sent flying by Danny.

New Avengers #20

http://imgur.com/a/Bi2Ab

Originally posted by abhilegend
Match this.

Prove that Batman is actually superhuman to the extent she is, and that this makes any sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
*Post Batman oneshotting Grundy, Wonder woman and beating Aquaman in h2h*

Batman oneshots Danny.

Batman one shot Wonder Woman?

Edit: Never mind, I see the scans.

Judging from her speech bubbles, there must be context here..

Originally posted by cdtm
You've got it backwards. It's the team who needs prep.

Danny can beat the team outright.

It is an out of the box twist that in Wayne has no prep and somebody else does.

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman one shot Wonder Woman?

Edit: Never mind, I see the scans.

Judging from her speech bubbles, there must be context here..

Yes, and apparently he is faster than light and can destroy planets.

That's sarcasm just so you know.

Also, here are some more clearer scans of when Danny sent Skaar flying. The last one cut off one of the images for some reason.

New Avengers #20

http://i.imgur.com/1h2G32o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pU20jkt.jpg

Originally posted by Sharivan
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=631433&pagenumber=1

Adding to what I posted on the first page.

Danny has easily incapacitated the Thing.

Marvel Two-in-One #94

https://i.imgur.com/12ZqC6A.jpg

Also, providing a reference for when Skaar is sent flying by Danny.

New Avengers #20

http://imgur.com/a/Bi2Ab



Prove that Batman is actually superhuman to the extent she is, and that this makes any sense.


http://s32.postimg.org/kz00rtbpx/batman_confidential_53_003.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/5o91tjout/batman_confidential_53_004.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/mmlukm2dx/batman_confidential_53_005.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/i6bv4whp1/batman_confidential_53_006.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/t6697zmvp/batman_confidential_53_007.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://s32.postimg.org/kz00rtbpx/batman_confidential_53_003.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/5o91tjout/batman_confidential_53_004.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/mmlukm2dx/batman_confidential_53_005.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/i6bv4whp1/batman_confidential_53_006.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/t6697zmvp/batman_confidential_53_007.jpg



That's not proof. That's idiotic writing supported by nothing outside of Batman's fights with them. I posted Danny's many blatantly superhuman individual feats on the first page. Which justifies what I posted.

I want to see Batman running from one side of the world to another in less than a second, and splitting a planet in half with a punch.

Laugh at the obviously bad writing, or exploit it to argue Batman stomps Cap?

Decisions, decisions..

Originally posted by cdtm
Laugh at the obviously bad writing, or exploit it to argue Batman stomps Cap?

Decisions, decisions..

Please don't.

Guys, try to actually, you know, debate on topic. All this lowballing will only achieve so much before the raptor goes on another banning spree, and some people are dangerously close to permanent bans.

I haven't read through this entire thread yet, but I'd assume no one's really taking those scans seriously.

Batman beating Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman at the same time is nice meme fodder, sure.. Who wrote that, anyways, and what was the editor doing that day? Or maybe the guy who wrote it is one of those "self edited" types, who used to be an editor himself and gets to put whatever stupid ideas he wants out there..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, try to actually, you know, debate on topic. All this lowballing will only achieve so much before the raptor goes on another banning spree, and some people are dangerously close to permanent bans.

You keep posting this.

And yet Carver and Abhi are still around.

i'm trying to save them from bada's wrath.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm trying to save them from bada's wrath.

You hated Abhi from the start!

Does a ban effect one forum, or the site?

Because I don't want Carver banned from here if it means he'll live on the anime forum.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Black Panther v3 #17

http://i.imgur.com/bkDWDGW.jpg

Sorry, just had to literally LOL here.

Tae Bo? As in, Billy Blanks and the power of Tae Bo??? And this was used to support Rand's skill?? Lol.

Wiki it. Please, I beg of anyone reading this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, just had to literally LOL here.

Tae Bo? As in, Billy Blanks and the power of Tae Bo??? And this was used to support Rand's skill?? Lol.

Wiki it. Please, I beg of anyone reading this thread.

I... got the reference.

Was hoping no one else would.

But hey, it proves Rand's so skilled he can turn anything, no matter how ridiculous, deadly. Probably has a book of the Sbaq Fu stored away.

Originally posted by cdtm
Does a ban effect one forum, or the site?

Because I don't want Carver banned from here if it means he'll live on the anime forum.

The site.

Originally posted by cdtm
I... got the reference.

Was hoping no one else would.

But hey, it proves Rand's so skilled he can turn anything, no matter how ridiculous, deadly. Probably has a book of the Sbaq Fu stored away.

Then team have no chance. Between Shaq Fu, Tae Bo and Bart Fu, Rand stomps them all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, just had to literally LOL here.

Tae Bo? As in, Billy Blanks and the power of Tae Bo??? And this was used to support Rand's skill?? Lol.

Wiki it. Please, I beg of anyone reading this thread.

I laughed out loud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tae_Bo

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then team have no chance. Between Shaq Fu, Tae Bo and Bart Fu, Rand stomps them all.

+ Bartitsu ?

Originally posted by cdtm
Not my intent to feat war this. Simply trying to prove Danny can take a beating and won't drop at the first gang attack. (Further supporting this, Luke Cage clocked berserk/evil Danny in the back of the head, as hard as he could, and only dropped him to his knee, conscious. So chi amping should raise durability.)

Anyways, I know Batman's no pushover in damage soak himself. He could give Frank Castle a run for his money, using his best stuff..

But unless the Bat Family packs secondary adamantium, how are they going to keep themselves from being taken out by Iron Fist spamming? You saw the Black Panther vs Danny scans, right? Only posted about a million times, until even I got sick of seeing them.

He was messed up pretty badly, and he had a vibranium suit.

So lets say all three surround Danny, move in, and launch an attack. Assume Danny takes a beating, but is with it enough to lash out with an IF.

If any of them take a direct hit, can you see them walking away? Or even if it's a glancing blow/near miss, the Iron Fist has chi trails and creates a sonic boom effect. In many, many Iron Fist stories of the past, he's taken entire groups with a single Fist. Batroc's Brigade, a mob of fifty people when Claremont sent him to "hell", a group of terrorist's in Danny and Luke's early team up's (Luke Cage was knocked down from the shockwave himself, from across the room.)

I'm just wondering how you see this fight playing out, that puts him at a disadvantage.

Maybe if Danny doesn't chi spam or use his IF... But are we assuming he fights "fair" and doesn't chi spam?

meh, i can post a hundred scans of batman fighting and beating characters who are superhuman, so i don't see danny being beyond anything bats himself has faced a million times over. thing is, when some of batman's best feats are raised they tend to get shouted down and people scream PIS because he's 'only human'. but it doesn't take much reading time to come to the quick conclusion--he is certainly NOT human--or not human in the sense we consider--he;s peak (better) COMIC BOOK human, and that is much different. humans don't boot steel doors down for fun, or kick trees in half, lift sarcophagi, dodge bullets. and it can be argued cass is BETTER than he is and dick is close to him.

as for how they keep from being taken out--well, they CAN dodge and block (BP blocked several hits), but they also have weapons that no one really seems to want to take into account. weapons capable of taking down grundy and amazo if need be. not to mention gas and a bunch of other stuff.

batman vs IF on his own would be far from an easy fight for danny (hell, look at the thread and see for yourself)--no way in hell i see danny walking through cap, likewise i don't see him walking through bats. add in a cass and dick who each have some crazy feats on their own?

sorry bro, no way imo he beats all 3 at once. too smart, too skilled, too much teamwork and too many weapons they can break out if necessary.

btw bats best damage soak feats are much better than frank's, least imo. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sorry, just had to literally LOL here.

Tae Bo? As in, Billy Blanks and the power of Tae Bo??? And this was used to support Rand's skill?? Lol.

Wiki it. Please, I beg of anyone reading this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then team have no chance. Between Shaq Fu, Tae Bo and Bart Fu, Rand stomps them all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then team have no chance. Between Shaq Fu, Tae Bo and Bart Fu, Rand stomps them all.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I laughed out loud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tae_Bo

Originally posted by RealityWarper
+ Bartitsu ?

These scrubs not understanding the SUPERIOR fighting styles of Billy Blanks fitness instructor, and it's unmatched supremacy even among the likes of Black Panther.

Billy Blanks is obviously one of the best of the best in 616.

Niggas hatin' on his swaggity swag.

By the way, RealityWarper don't you have some threads you need to reply to or should I take your absence of a reply as a concession?

1) Someone was asked to stop bikering with me. It seems that the message didn't reach.

2) On topic everyone on the team can easily solo and beat Danny Rand considering he isn't even in the same tier than Wolverine and Captain America when it comes to the combat skills, meaning that he isn't even close to Batman, Cassandra Cain and Batwing neither...

In short, the team stomps hard.

3) I guess that every logical fallacies would have been used against my arguments but this one is pretty obvious.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/33/1471811939-argumentfromsilence.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
I... got the reference.

Was hoping no one else would.

But hey, it proves Rand's so skilled he can turn anything, no matter how ridiculous, deadly. Probably has a book of the Sbaq Fu stored away.

Also, what cdtm here said. Danny is able to take anything that's not atypically used in a fight and turn into a deadly fighting style. So much so that even Black Panther asked him to teach him.

Which is what's relevant there.

I figured that was obvious.

There is also defeating Mr. X's telepathy by using a drunken fighting style.

Thunderbolts #37

https://i.imgur.com/jti8zj4.jpg

Defeating Shin Kuei.

Heroes for Hire #19

http://imgur.com/a/cHm9y

And Black Tarantula: Power Man and Iron Fist #2, I believe.

Looked like he jump kicked him into submission. Four jump.kicks in a row on panel.

Spidey unloaded everything he had on him, and only succeeded in wearing himself out.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
1) Someone was asked to stop bikering with me. It seems that the message didn't reach.

What about your snipes in this thread? Where you agree with abhilegend simply on the basis he is arguing against me?

Originally posted by abhilegend
*Post Batman oneshotting Grundy, Wonder woman and beating Aquaman in h2h*

Batman oneshots Danny.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I agree with you (enjoy it)

Agreeing with something as nonsensical as this?



Despite the fact Danny is stronger, faster, tougher, and blatantly superhuman to the extent they won't be able to do anything or even keep up with him. Which no one has provided any significant counter evidence for.

Despite the fact he defeated telepathy with martial ability, Shin Kuei, Davos without chi when he had the accumulated knowledge of many dead Iron Fists, and Black Panther is willing to ask to learn from him even when it's freaking Tae Bo.

Show me any of these three doing half of what Daniel Rand has in terms of physical ability.





I asked you before asserting that was the case so it's not an argument from silence. That's what it would be if I said it was the case.

You're the one who is no stranger to logical fallacies.

http://i.imgur.com/2BE7h8z.png

Originally posted by Sharivan
Also, what cdtm here said. Danny is able to take anything that's not atypically used in a fight and turn into a deadly fighting style. So much so that even Black Panther asked him to teach him.

Which is what's relevant there.

I figured that was obvious.

There is also defeating Mr. X's telepathy by using a drunken fighting style.

Thunderbolts #137

https://i.imgur.com/jti8zj4.jpg

Defeating Shin Kuei.

Heroes for Hire #19

http://imgur.com/a/cHm9y

The image broke here for Shin Kuei. So, here is a better one.

Heroes for Hire #19

http://imgur.com/a/cHm9y

Also, ignore the typo it's Thunderbolts #137 for Mr. X.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Immortal Iron Fist #23

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373418_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-008.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373419_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-009.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373420_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-010.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373421_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-011.jpg

Dodging four different bullets at once, and does so in slow motion so we can see the bullets in mid-air.

Power Man & Iron Fist #89

https://i.imgur.com/ciYjoBD.jpg

Deflecting dozens of flechettes at once, and creating numerous afterimages.

Power Man & Iron Fist #50

https://i.imgur.com/apaLQqQ.jpg


Catching a bullet with bare hands.

Immortal Iron Fist Annual

https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg

He is able to move within the time-frame of a microsecond.

Iron Fist v3 #1

http://imgur.com/a/TiUNn

It only takes him 0.05 seconds to charge and use his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #54

https://i.imgur.com/WOnwAf0.jpg

He is able to easily defeat a giant dragon.

Immortal Weapons #5

http://imgur.com/a/0EXnr

He is able to take down a helicarrier with a single blow.

New Avengers #59

http://imgur.com/a/BHP0F

The collateral damage from his Iron Fist is compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20

http://imgur.com/a/76zEa

He is able to murder Zhu-Rong, a God of Fire and Universal Order in a single punch.

Iron Fist: ILW #11

https://i.imgur.com/5ckAEMV.jpg

Just in case anyone missed these.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Speaking of that.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373441_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-008.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373442_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-009.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373443_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-010.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373444_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-011.jpg




I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Oh, and Danny breaks out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak before destroying an inter-dimensional portal with a punch. Which causes a tear in the fabric of reality.

Iron Fist v1 #7

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373445_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_11.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373446_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_12.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373447_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_13.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373448_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_14.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373449_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_15.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373450_Iron_Fist_07_-_Iron_First_Must_Die_-_16.jpg

Also, these.

Lord Rand wins even if the Batgod is on the opposing team

Originally posted by krisblaze
You hated Abhi from the start!

Lol...stop back seat modding. Also, Pr hated me from the start, not ABHI.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Also, what cdtm here said. Danny is able to take anything that's not atypically used in a fight and turn into a deadly fighting style. So much so that even Black Panther asked him to teach him.

Which is what's relevant there.

I figured that was obvious.

There is also defeating Mr. X's telepathy by using a drunken fighting style.

Thunderbolts #37

https://i.imgur.com/jti8zj4.jpg

Defeating Shin Kuei.

Heroes for Hire #19

http://imgur.com/a/cHm9y

And for a more conventional example, remember when he played Daredevil?

He copied Matt's style so well, Matt himself said he's as good as anyone he's ever seen. And it wasn't even his own style.

There is also the instance where Daniel Rand punches through a helicopter by leaping towards it from the side of a skyscraper. As he fights a bunch of ninjas amidst free fall.

Iron Fist: TLW #1

http://i.imgur.com/T4O2wy9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yWDgHjD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aWlxCn9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YhIuwyF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JVnp7lp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DsZ7WJI.jpg

He leaped all the way from the skyscraper, through the helicopter, and made it back in one piece.

He catches a bullet here after Brenda tries to kill herself. Do keep in mind since the gun was right next to her head? That means the timeframe he had to cross the distance had to be incredibly tiny.

Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #12

http://imgur.com/a/Fup9N

Originally posted by cdtm
And for a more conventional example, remember when he played Daredevil?

He copied Matt's style so well, Matt himself said he's as good as anyone he's ever seen. And it wasn't even his own style.

Yes, there's that too.

Just for reference again it was Thunderbolts #137 in regards to Mr. X. There was a typo in that post. I also reposted the Shin Kuei scene.

lol Team wins

So, apparently everyone in this team is stupidly hypersonic and can hit harder than nukes.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Team wins

Just like they'd beat Spider-Man.

They're going to learn what's it is like to lose against someone using Tae Bo.

Billy Blanks looks on with pride.

They can't handle this much cardio.

No hypersonic speed, no "nuke-level durability" for anyone here.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471818053-3647706-sparring-1.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471818056-4057146-sparring-2.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471818051-3647708-sparring-3.jpg

Batman solos like he soloed David Cain.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsdcain1.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsdcain2.jpg

Wow as if a sparring match with a friend is any indication of how Rand would fare against this team . Also Wolverine is a better fighter than Cain and he would wreck him

Originally posted by cdtm
Just like they'd beat Spider-Man.

they'd beat spidey too imo, but the webbing is a tricky issue--some of the web feats pete wracked up can be tough to counter. spidey with prep would be a different animal though given what he can now call upon in regards to tech.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
No hypersonic speed, no "nuke-level durability" for anyone here.

Oh, really?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Immortal Iron Fist #23

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373418_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-008.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373419_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-009.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373420_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-010.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/29373421_Immortal_Iron_Fist_023-011.jpg

Dodging four different bullets at once, and does so in slow motion so we can see the bullets in mid-air.

Power Man & Iron Fist #89

https://i.imgur.com/ciYjoBD.jpg

Deflecting dozens of flechettes at once, and creating numerous afterimages.

Power Man & Iron Fist #50

https://i.imgur.com/apaLQqQ.jpg


Catching a bullet with bare hands.

Immortal Iron Fist Annual

https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg

He is able to move within the time-frame of a microsecond.

Iron Fist v3 #1

http://imgur.com/a/TiUNn

It only takes him 0.05 seconds to charge and use his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #54

https://i.imgur.com/WOnwAf0.jpg

He is able to easily defeat a giant dragon.

Immortal Weapons #5

http://imgur.com/a/0EXnr

He is able to take down a helicarrier with a single blow.

New Avengers #59

http://imgur.com/a/BHP0F

The collateral damage from his Iron Fist is compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20

http://imgur.com/a/76zEa

He is able to murder Zhu-Rong, a God of Fire and Universal Order in a single punch.

Iron Fist: ILW #11

https://i.imgur.com/5ckAEMV.jpg

Originally posted by Sharivan
Speaking of that.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373441_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-008.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373442_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-009.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373443_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-010.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/29373444_The_Immortal_Iron_Fist_014-011.jpg




I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.

Isn't that strange?



Oh, please.

That's nothing when they're not even serious, and that's freaking Wolverine. Who is infamous for fighting people he has no right to.

Who everyone and their grandmother jobs to.



Show me Cain doing anything that Danny did in what I just brought up.

As Cain is freaking garbage in practically every area when compared to Danny.

Originally posted by Sharivan
There is also the instance where Daniel Rand punches through a helicopter by leaping towards it from the side of a skyscraper. As he fights a bunch of ninjas amidst free fall.

Iron Fist: TLW #1

http://i.imgur.com/T4O2wy9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yWDgHjD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aWlxCn9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YhIuwyF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JVnp7lp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DsZ7WJI.jpg

He leaped all the way from the skyscraper, through the helicopter, and made it back in one piece.

He catches a bullet here after Brenda tries to kill herself. Do keep in mind since the gun was right next to her head? That means the timeframe he had to cross the distance had to be incredibly tiny.

Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #12

http://imgur.com/a/Fup9N

Originally posted by Sharivan
Also, what cdtm here said. Danny is able to take anything that's not atypically used in a fight and turn into a deadly fighting style. So much so that even Black Panther asked him to teach him.

Which is what's relevant there.

I figured that was obvious.

There is also defeating Mr. X's telepathy by using a drunken fighting style.

Thunderbolts #137

https://i.imgur.com/jti8zj4.jpg

Defeating Shin Kuei.

Heroes for Hire #19

http://imgur.com/a/cHm9y

Originally posted by Sharivan
You do recall that time Danny defeated Davos without his chi? When Davos had it, and when he had the accumulated knowledge of every Iron Fist that died in the Anomaly Gem? Simply by being that much of a better martial artist?

Iron Fist v2 #2

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374109_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p18.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374110_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p19.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374111_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p20.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374112_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p21.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374113_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p22.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374114_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p23.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374115_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p24.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/29374116_Iron_Fist_MS1996_02_p25.jpg

Not mention this.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Oh, really?





Isn't that strange?



Oh, please.

That's nothing when they're not even serious, and that's freaking Wolverine. Who is infamous for fighting people he has no right to.

Who everyone and their grandmother jobs to.


And they should show the rest of it.

You know, when Squirrel Girl steps up. They always forget that part, for some reason.

While we're at that.

Danny's senses are also enhanced. He can literally hear someone sweating behind him.

Immortal Iron Fist #9

https://i.imgur.com/ZiRi3br.jpg

Defeats a bunch of cyborg ninjas with a blast of chi.

Iron Fist: TLW #2

https://i.imgur.com/e0zryDO.jpg

Can project his chi as fireballs.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

https://i.imgur.com/NStAOGM.jpg

Destroys a ship with his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #68

http://imgur.com/a/IuaK0

Originally posted by Sharivan
Then we have to go by our own analysis if there isn't one. Since it clearly doesn't absorb kinetic energy then the vibranium it's made out of isn't normal.



You mean how Cyclops was able to push him back with his optic blasts, and how Captain America had to push through it instead of simply strolling through it?

http://i.imgur.com/X32S20o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/x6uIBuA.jpg

That example supports my argument that it doesn't actually absorb kinetic energy.

The vibranium in the shield is the wakandan vibranium. It absorbs the kinetic energy, no matter how badly you want it not to.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/capture03-7.jpg~original

Protects him from falls, energy beams, lightning, impacts of unearthly force... everything.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Danny is able to hit hard enough to take down helicarriers, send Skaar flying with a punch, defeat the Wrecking Crew, break Thunderball's wrecking ball, and break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.

As well as being able to use chi in order to enhance the striking force of inanimate objects. As seen in the battle simulation with those bullets.

Striking feats, not actual strength. Rand can't throw anything hard enough to damage adamantium, chi-enhanced or not. He'd need the anti-metal for replicating the sim feat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The vibranium in the shield is the wakandan vibranium. It absorbs the kinetic energy, no matter how badly you want it not to.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/scanscans/capture03-7.jpg~original

Protects him from falls, energy beams, lightning, impacts of unearthly force... everything.

Yet another instance that shows that Captain America's shield doesn't absorb kinetic energy. His entire body is even rattling as a result of the Hulk's hammer strike. You can see the reverberations coming off of him. Which means it passed from the shield to his body instead of being absorbed by it.

Why do you keep providing evidence for my side of the argument?



Prove that only that specific brand of vibranium is the only thing that can damage adamantium, and that no amount of physical force can do it.

As otherwise I am going with the combination of Daniel Rand's strength, and his chi. Plus, having an adamantium/vibranium composite shield as the reason why that happened.

the shield def absorbs impacts:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4391001-captain+america+013+(1999)+(digital-empire)+012.jpg

as for the vibranium, you'll never find a book that says it was wakandan vibranium, but it couldn't be antarctic as that would just melt the mixture it was added to. there's also more than one bio that supports that it was wakandan vibranium:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Vibranium

as for how it absorbs impacts? it's comics. there is no other way around it. /shrug

stupid broken link...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35156/1206256-645834_capiii13p11ge3_super.jpg

and the shield isn't an adamantium/vibranium combo, it's what is now called proto-adamantium:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg

adamantium was a failed attempt at remaking the metal of the shield.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yet another instance that shows that Captain America's shield doesn't absorb kinetic energy. His entire body is even rattling as a result of the Hulk's hammer strike. You can see the reverberations coming off of him. Which means it passed from the shield to his body instead of being absorbed by it.

Why do you keep providing evidence for my side of the argument?

It does absorb the most of it - otherwise Cap would've been turned into a smear on the ground.

Or maybe you think he's just strong enough to block hits from the Hulk...?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Prove that only that specific brand of vibranium is the only thing that can damage adamantium, and that no amount of physical force can do it.

As otherwise I am going with the combination of Daniel Rand's strength, and his chi. Plus, having an adamantium/vibranium composite shield as the reason why that happened.

In 616 canon, it took either the Phoenix Force or Magneto's powers to mess up Logan's skeleton.

Ebony Blade didn't scratch his claws. Black Blade (just as indestructible as adamantium) failed to decapitate Logan, even though it was wielded by Silver Samurai who enhanced it with his tachyon field...

Originally posted by leonidas
the shield def absorbs impacts:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4391001-captain+america+013+(1999)+(digital-empire)+012.jpg

Broken link but that happened to me too. So, I can't fault you for it.



Yet, Siltman was claiming I was going by head canon?



That makes some sense.

Unless the process drastically changed both the vibranium, and the adamantium.



You're using a wiki instead of the direct source? That has a bunch of links but none of them elaborate much, and don't show me any scans.

Originally posted by leonidas
stupid broken link...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35156/1206256-645834_capiii13p11ge3_super.jpg

Okay, that's some evidence right but concerns me is what you say next as that makes this a moot point if it's no longer made out of vibranium.



Which means it isn't even supposed to absorb anything anymore. If it's only made out of adamantium. A stronger version than normal at that. Which would explain why Danny was able to fling it into Logan's skull.

A stronger metal should be able to destroy a lower quality version of it if you apply enough force.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It does absorb the most of it - otherwise Cap would've been turned into a smear on the ground.

It can't because according to leonidas it's not even made out of vibranium anymore. That's besides the fact we don't know how hard the Hulk hit Captain America here.



No, what I think is that we don't know how hard the Hulk hit him here and considering that it's confirmed that it doesn't even consist of vibranium anymore. There's no reason it should.



The former sounds ridiculous and I don't buy for a moment that the bare minimum necessary is something that can destroy stars. The latter is a better example. As when Magneto liquefied it.



You're talking about Muramasa? Anyway, that's besides the point.

Captain America's shield isn't made out of adamantium but rather proto-adamantium. Which is even stronger than normal adamantium. Your garden variety adamantium being a knock-off of it.

Team.

The first Muramasa blade, yes. Not the one from Origins.

Wolverine's adamantium is actually adamantium beta... as his HF induced a molecular change in the primary adamantium. It may very well be tougher than the real deal.

Anyhow, why are you so bent on ignoring the shield's unique properties? "I don't like it, it didn't happen" - same behavior in every thread, really?

Surfer is still slower than Spidey

Originally posted by Zack M
Team.

I am still amazed anyone can think that after everything that's been posted.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I am still amazed anyone can think that after everything that's been posted.

So, Iron Fist>>>Karate Kid?

Originally posted by Sharivan
I am still amazed anyone can think that after everything that's been posted.

Golgo is a pretty big DC fan, you shouldn't be surprised.

Can Rand benefit from the prep time? Any prep-related feats?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The first Muramasa blade, yes. Not the one from Origins.

Wolverine's adamantium is actually adamantium beta... as his HF induced a molecular change in the primary adamantium. It may very well be tougher than the real deal.

I sincerely doubt that it's stronger based on something as inane as a healing factor influencing metal. Also, adamantium "beta" would imply it's a lesser subsidiary of it.



As they literally do not exist for the most part, and vibranium is confirmed to not even be a part of it anymore. Why would it absorb anything when it's not supposed to, and when it demonstratively doesn't?

Sans a few times when it was made out of vibranium.



No, Silver Surfer isn't.

Wolverine loses badly to Spiderman by the way.

Originally posted by Zack M
So, Iron Fist>>>Karate Kid?

How in the world did you come to the conclusion that Karate Kid and Batman are anywhere near the same bracket?

Don't tell me.

It was in a fight that made no sense at all considering what Karate Kid has done in the past.

Originally posted by Sharivan
I sincerely doubt that it's stronger based on something as inane as a healing factor influencing metal. Also, adamantium "beta" would imply it's a lesser subsidiary of it.

It does have better feats, like Thor not being able to dent it.

Originally posted by Sharivan
As they literally do not exist for the most part, and vibranium is confirmed to not even be a part of it anymore. Why would it absorb anything when it's not supposed to, and when it demonstratively doesn't?

Sans a few times when it was made out of vibranium.

The vibranium is a part of it, all writers agree on that part.

Originally posted by Sharivan
No, Silver Surfer isn't.

He is, he is. Just look at their fights again

Originally posted by Sharivan
Wolverine loses badly to Spiderman by the way.

Maybe in your fan fiction stories.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It does have better feats, like Thor not being able to dent it.

That sure sounds familiar.

http://i.imgur.com/hVvCIIL.jpg



Yet, leonidas just confirmed that it wasn't and it is instead made out of proto-admanatium.



You mean those hilariously inconsistent fights that were nearly as bad as Batman defeating Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Green Lantern, and the Flash?



Shall we talk about that one-thousand page Wolverine vs Spiderman thread that lasted over a decade?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yet, leonidas just confirmed that it wasn't and it is instead made out of proto-admanatium.


Did you even read that scan?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Did you even read that scan?

http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg

"they gave me some of this rare metal to work with...vibranium i believe it is now called...."



proto-adamantium is the name given to the vibranium alloy the shield was made from. proto-adamantium because it was macclain's first attempt at adamantium and was the 'non-replicable' precursor of it.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/captainamericashield8.jpg

so, yeah, the shield is made of an unknown and never repeated alloy, but vibranium has a hand in it.

as far as using bois--i agree they are not ideal, but there is no book anywhere that will specifically state it was 'wakandan vibranium' in the shield. that should be the default reasoning though without question, unless there is a third type of vibranium shown in a book somewhere that i am unaware of....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Did you even read that scan?

Not once does it mention that it absorbs anything, and it wasn't actually vibranium anymore. It was made by studying it in order to create a new indestructible metal from steel alloy. Which it was mixed in with steel alloy in a unspecified process as the lead scientist fell asleep during the mixture. The final product was adamantium. It's specifically indestructible.

Adamantium does not absorb anything.

Unless you want to try to say all adamantium retains this feature despite being made into an entirely new metal.

Originally posted by leonidas
http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg

"they gave me some of this rare metal to work with...vibranium i believe it is now called...."



As I already said here:

Originally posted by Sharivan
Not once does it mention that it absorbs anything, and it wasn't actually vibranium anymore. It was made by studying it in order to create a new indestructible metal from steel alloy. Which it was mixed in with steel alloy in a unspecified process as the lead scientist fell asleep during the mixture. The final product was adamantium. It's specifically indestructible.

Adamantium does not absorb anything.

Unless you want to try to say all adamantium retains this feature despite being made into an entirely new metal.

As I was busy replying to Stiltman.



I know, and I read your scan the new alloy was a result of an unspecified mixture that created a new metal that was indestructible. Which was completely accidental. Unless you want to try and say adamantium retains its absorbing properties.

http://i.imgur.com/aumUAtA.png

It wasn't the same metal. It was an entirely new one.



As I already established earlier it's not something Thor can damage. So, I am not sure why you're bringing this up.

i'm not sure what you're saying tbh, in particular this bit:



don't know why you're bringing up adamantium in the shield discussion as the shield is not adamantium, which (as told in the thor scan) wasn't create until decades later.....

also, are you saying vibranium is NOT in the shield?

could the new alloy have....reduced/depleted the vibranium absorption properties? i guess, sure, but that would only add to what we see in so many scans--it partially absorbs impacts. i showed a scan that already confirmed it. your idea though (if that is what you're trying to say) has merit and would explain why the energy shield was even better at absorbing--it had more 'vibranium properties' than the shield retained by mixing metals.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure what you're saying tbh, in particular this bit:


Typo, that I fixed seven minutes before you replied. Just read it again.



Short for protro-adamantium which garden variety adamantium is based off of. It is the prototype, and first form of adamantium that the lesser versions of adamantium are based off of. Yet, they do not have any energy absorbing abilities even to a lesser extent than it should.



I am saying it's drastically changed as a result of this procedure, and no longer vibranium as a result.



Basically, yes that's what I am saying. The process should have diluted it to the point where it's clearly not very good at absorbing kinetic energy on its own. As we see when it fails to even completely absorb Cyclops optic blasts, and Captain America has to actually strain himself to push them. It's not any sort of nullification of kinetic energy, and what absorbing properties it does have seem nearly nonexistent without those aforementioned modifications.

What about U.S. Agent's shield?

100% vibranium, still uses it for both attack and defense

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about U.S. Agent's shield?

100% vibranium, still uses it for both attack and defense

We're back on vibranium when we're talking about proto-adamantium?

In which case maybe it's energy absorption can be used the opposite way in order to redirect kinetic energy. As seen with leonidas's first example. Where Captain America blasts someone with his modified shield.

I don't know comic book writers are barely able to sort through these things themselves. As I said before idiots the whole lot of them.

The rare exception being the likes of... I can't think of any. Maybe Brian K. Vaughan.

The energy shield is a completely separate thing, Shariv. Can be thrown any time he likes, just doesn't return - he generates himself a new one.

You're just too stubborn to admit you're wrong here.

So basically none of Batman's fears count because they don't make sense.

Yeah, do continue wanking Iron Fist because of the same feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The energy shield is a completely separate thing, Shariv. Can be thrown any time he likes, just doesn't return - he generates himself a new one.

So then, Captain America's shield has positively no instances where it clearly absorbs any kinetic energy? As that's the only one leonidas brought up that's clear on that.



I don't want to hear that from someone who thought Wolverine would beat Spiderman in that positively ridiculous thread.

Nor someone who decides to bring up Silver Surfer's speed in an entirely different topic.


Originally posted by abhilegend
So basically none of Batman's fears count because they don't make sense.

Yeah, do continue wanking Iron Fist because of the same feats.

Nope, I provided many instances that showed that Danny is blatantly superhuman to the extent that most of his fights actually make sense. You provided positively no instances that prove that Batman is faster than light or a planet destroying demi-god.

You have two choices here.

You either drop that or egregiously claim Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, and the Flash are not as superhuman as Batman.

Question if anyone brought those fights up against Superman would you honestly say they are legitimate even then?

You know it makes me wonder.

You would either try to defend yourself and say they are legitimate but that Superman is still somehow far above Batman. That, or backpeddle out of it.

That or use a straw man like you're doing right now in order to try and say I am doing the same thing your were then.

Batman has fought and stalemated Wonder woman 4 times.

It matters little if he is superhuman or not. He is just that much skilled.

Karate Kid shits on Rand in striking power and speed and yet Batman stalemated him. Two versions of Karate Kids.

So yeah, you can only ignore Batman's feats. Glad we established that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman has fought and stalemated Wonder woman 4 times.

Yes, and every one of those times is entirely idiotic. Batman has no showings outside of that to even suggest it makes sense.



Nope, this would make Batman superhuman. Just like it makes Iron Fist superhuman for being able to fight Davos without his chi.

You either argue that Batman is a faster than light planet destroying demi-god or you don't.



Yeah, and both of those fights entirely idiotic and should have ended with Batman destroyed and dismayed.

He has a superpower called "popularity."



Nope, you have yet to provide any instance that showcases that Batman is a faster than light planet destroying demi-god outside of this.

Now get to it.

I want to see him punching some planets in half.

So basically you ignore all of Batman's showings which shows he can beat Rand and declare yourself winner.

I ignore anything Rand does which is superhuman as it doesn't makes sense and declare Batman the winner.

Solid tactic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Basically you ignore all of Batman's showings which shows he can beat Rand and declare yourself winner.

Nope, what I am ignoring is all of Batman's fights that don't make a lick of sense. Which you are trying to play off as sensible.



While at the same refusing to provide any instances that show Batman is remotely as superhuman as Iron Fist. As you are incapable of providing said evidence.



So, how about Batman fighting Superman after all you yourself argued in favor of these fights being legitimate. The only way that makes sense is if Batman is as fast and strong as those characters.

Everything Batman does makes no sense. Not sure where you draw the line...?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Everything Batman does makes no sense. Not sure where you draw the line...?

At the point where Batman is able to defeat Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash at the same time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So basically you ignore all of Batman's showings which shows he can beat Rand and declare yourself winner.

I ignore anything Rand does which is superhuman as it doesn't makes sense and declare Batman the winner.

Solid tactic.
Rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rinse and repeat.



Good idea.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Nope, what I am ignoring is all of Batman's fights that don't make a lick of sense. Which you are trying to play off as sensible.



While at the same refusing to provide any instances that show Batman is remotely as superhuman as Iron Fist. As you are incapable of providing said evidence.



So, how about Batman fighting Superman after all you yourself argued in favor of these fights being legitimate. The only way that makes sense is if Batman is as fast and strong as those characters.

Originally posted by Sharivan
At the point where Batman is able to defeat Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and the Flash at the same time.

But then...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman, easily. Him being Batman alone is already superhuman.

As I've said before:

Imagine a celebrity famous for doing nothing except being a rich heir to a fortune, and a party animal. In effect, Paris Hilton.

Now imagine that person also has the business smarts of a Bill Gates.

So far, so good. Ashton Kutcher is like this, after all.

Now Paris Hilton, is also a master of 127 different martial arts. Something that some people take decades just to master one or two.

Ninja Paris Hilton, also holds multiple degrees in engineering, forensic sciences, applied mechanics etc etc etc. And is able to take others' work apart, not just Earth tech, but also Kryptonian/Thanagarian/Martian/Apokolipton etc tech, and understand it.

Ninja Paris, PhDx10, ALSO speaks five or six different languages, fluently, fluently enough she could easily disguise herself (another skill she's learnt, btw), and blend in anywhere in the world.

All by the age of 35.

And is also a master escape artist.

And is an Olympic level gymnast, powerlifter, and is pretty decent and sprinting AND marathons.

And can KO horses.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, I forgot - Ninja Paris Hilton, in the course of her studies around the world, training with the worst criminals and assassins the world has to offer, attending the finest universities money can buy - is able to do all of this secretly. Not one of her classmates will remember her, nor will any of the assasins/criminals attempt to blackmail her.

She will one day suddenly pop back in NYC, nobody will know where she's been (even though you could do so by just checking academic records etc), and a few months later, a shadowy vigilante will suddenly appear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then...

Lord Rand has the power of interracial romance, and will inevitably get backup from #blacklivesmatters. Who will drop him the moment they find out he's white.

Which means Donald Trump will be there to save him, and Donald Trump's power is maximum.

ZbM6WbUw7Bs

This is one wall they're not getting past.

But my point was, everything about Batman is PIS. No ordinary human can do what he does.

So to draw a line and say, well, ninja Paris is A-OK, but this is not, seems a bit arbitrary if you're using the 'he's human' as your reasoning.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But my point was, everything about Batman is PIS. No ordinary human can do what he does.

So to draw a line and say, well, ninja Paris is A-OK, but this is not, seems a bit arbitrary if you're using the 'he's human' as your reasoning.

Yes, I acknowledge that but there is a difference between being superhuman and being blatantly superhuman. Namely that the latter is a one-man army that can murder giant monsters with their bare hands, and destroy helicarriers.

There's kind of a wee bit difference there don't you think? Just a little bit.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yes, I acknowledge that but there is a difference between being superhuman and being blatantly superhuman. Namely that the latter is a one-man army that can murder giant monsters with their bare hands, and destroy helicarriers.

There's kind of a wee bit difference there don't you think? Just a little bit.

There is a difference, but you seem to want to disregard Bats' showings because they make no sense. I'm saying nothing of Batman's makes sense - but we allow it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There is a difference, but you seem to want to disregard Bats' showings because they make no sense. I'm saying nothing of Batman's makes sense - but we allow it.

Now you sound just like my old philosophy instructor. In which case it doesn't matter at all, and it's entirely subjective. Which makes this entire argument pointless.

Team should win.

Team still wins.

Team still loses.

Batman is not a faster than light, planet destroying demi-god.

Good thing is he doesn't needs to be that to beat Rand. Just ask the Cat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good thing is he doesn't needs to be that to beat Rand. Just ask the Cat.



Good thing that Pr already said your lot should stop the lowballing pages ago. Yet, the moderators seems to be lazy around here. I assume that's how you get away with half the things you do.

Losing to The Cat is a low showing now, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good thing is he doesn't needs to be that to beat Rand. Just ask the Cat.

the cat? The same guy that tooled deadpool and has consistently been displayed as being an equal to Shang chi? I think that you're going to have to do a bit more digging in order to properly lowball rand here.

Ps: KGBeast, bane, catman, bronze tiger, prometheus, the reaper, joker, harley quinn, killer croc, and deathstroke all say hello

Originally posted by abhilegend
Losing to The Cat is a low showing now, eh?



If you're referring to Shen Keui? Yes, it is. As he is in Shang Chi's bracket. Then there's the fact Shang Chi is below Daniel Rand. As he himself needs a power dampener just to train Peter Parker.

Originally posted by Sharivan
So then, Captain America's shield has positively no instances where it clearly absorbs any kinetic energy? As that's the only one leonidas brought up that's clear on that.

facepalm

There's no hope for you.

Originally posted by Sharivan
If you're referring to Shen Keui? Yes, it is. As he is in Shang Chi's bracket. Then there's the fact Shang Chi is below Daniel Rand. As he himself needs a power dampener just to train Peter Parker.

Lmao at using that as a proof of any kind...

Panther suggested that IF is jealous of Shang's skills.

Yeah, but Panther knows nothing about Billy Blanks and Tae Bo, so what does he know?

Originally posted by Sharivan
If you're referring to Shen Keui? Yes, it is. As he is in Shang Chi's bracket. Then there's the fact Shang Chi is below Daniel Rand. As he himself needs a power dampener just to train Peter Parker.


Shang is a better fighter than Rand.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but Panther knows nothing about Billy Blanks and Tae Bo, so what does he know?

laughcry

Tae Bo >>> K'un-Lun arts. Canon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
facepalm

There's no hope for you.

This coming from the guy who still believes Wolverine can defeat Spiderman?



Black Panther has yet to actually master the art of Tae Bo, and succeed the grandmaster of cardio that is Billy Blanks.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Shang is a better fighter than Rand.

Not even what I was talking about. Note that I brought up the power dampener? Shang Chi can't even keep with Spiderman unless he specifically restricts his abilities.

How in the world is going to match Iron Fist's strength and speed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but Panther knows nothing about Billy Blanks and Tae Bo, so what does he know?

This is what's going to happen.

4k-Dd71CqnM

People underestimating Billy Blanks smh.

Because Iron fist is no Spider-Man.

And Cat still beat the shit out of Rand. There you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Iron fist is no Spider-Man.

Show me Spiderman destroying a helicarrier in a single punch.



Ah yes, fights instead of going by what they have done as individual characters.

I have dismissed those claims.

Ignoring the fact there's things such as this.

http://i.imgur.com/BwaqqXG.jpg

Originally posted by Sharivan
*Moron.
No, i meant maroon. You're a maroon.

If i wasnt sure yesterday morning, then after skimming your day's worth of posts?
I'm totally sure.

LOL at that feat:

http://i.imgur.com/JbPL2Km.jpg

That's clearly a low blow.