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Being flashy =/= being in top 10.

Same as detecting and exploiting weaknesses doesn't make you an elite fighter (everybody has whooped Karnak's ass with ease).

The list is ****ed up. No way Danny is the best martial artist, Shang is better. Daredevil is too low, Mantis and Moondragon should be out of the list as they are hardly shown as martial artists anymore. Also Elektra is too low and Karnak being there is a joke.

But most importantly, where are Cap and Logan?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Being flashy =/= being in top 10.

Same as detecting and exploiting weaknesses doesn't make you an elite fighter (everybody has whooped Karnak's ass with ease).
Karnak is so useless that he is the worst champion in even the video games, I'm playing contests of champions and he is the ****ing worst

Originally posted by abhilegend
Karnak is so useless that he is the worst champion in even the video games, I'm playing contests of champions and he is the ****ing worst



Originally posted by abhilegend
Along with Beast lol

In Beast's defense, fighting is really not his forte. Never has been. Same thing with Richards (who sucks at fighting, too).

But Karnak? Fighting skills are all he has. And they f*cking suck.

Also Okoye > Danny Rand confirmed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Okoye vs Danny Rand:
https://i.postimg.cc/7GY1BhzH/11-20.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cg9RPW7Q/12-17.jpg

Keep posting that in cdtm's face, maybe that will shut him up, eventually.

Karnak is the worst, let it be

Yeah Okoye is a definite oversight so again whee would Cap Panther and Okoye go? does Okoye rank rank above Mantis who without super powers was able to defeat Thor in h2h combat or does Iron Fist just get demoted to a lower number?

In Erimoros' defence as a new guy - at least he posted a list, so kudos to him. And welcome.

I assume we are going off skill, and whilst Stilt is right and flashy =/= skill - where would you guys rank someone like Hulk, lol. H2H is all he has, and he is phucking amazing at it - you might call it 'brawling' and 'unskilled', but he makes the most of it.

Unless we say that actually, he is just utilising his physical stats - level them, and he actually has no skills?

Also, what about Punisher hehe.

Karnak can have his own tier with Blade and Shatterstar.

Yeah no its a good point Saint, so where do spy/soldier types like Frank Castle Black Widow, and Nick Fury rank?

Cat = Shang = Danny = white tiger

Steel Serpent

Cap = Logan

Stick = Daredevil = Electra

Karnak, Moondragon, and Gamora don't belong on that list. Karnak's record is almost all losses. Gamora can't beat Winter Soldier. Moondragon beat a weakened Cap, so the feat is wanked a bit more than it should be. And she hasn't been written like that in the last what....30 years? It's time to let it go, isn't it?

I'd argue similar for Mantis tbh, but folks get touchy about her. I will grant her this: She suffers from being in space -- most of her opponents are no-names so she it's hard to gauge her. Plus, she has other powers, so those get focused on sometimes. She did recently beat Karnak I guess, but also everyone beats Karnak.

Either way, there's just far more relevant fighters to consider at this point. Captain America, Black Panther, Wolverine. Heck, Black Widow got the 'ol movie upgrade and stalemated Elektra. She's definitely more relevant than Karnak and such.

Iron Fist LOL.

He is the worst martial artist in fiction, or close.