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TFD exists in the multiverse and is on a practically omnipotent level, who wins here? No bfr.

What does true form even mean? Does he have feats in that form?

Originally posted by Thinkerer
What does true form even mean? Does he have feats in that form?

DC boys can't even agree on what his actual "true form" really is, lol. It changes from story arc to story arc, from fan to fan.

For me, this is True Darkseid:

https://i.ibb.co/yYbzLNT/RCO021-1468929525.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/BwHC01h/RCO022-1468929525.jpg

Hulk wins. Hulk always wins.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DC boys can't even agree on what his actual "true form" really is, lol. It changes from story arc to story arc, from fan to fan.

For me, this is True Darkseid:

https://i.ibb.co/yYbzLNT/RCO021-1468929525.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/BwHC01h/RCO022-1468929525.jpg

This has got to be troll thread in the wake of Dark Crisis.

Darkseid True Form couldn't even kill Superboy in a 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares.

Originally posted by ODG
This has got to be troll thread in the wake of Dark Crisis.

Darkseid True Form couldn't even kill Superboy in a 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares.
He was weakened, no?

dark crisis was truly jobbing of the century

spectre and raven punching the crap out of each other in the background, it was a sight to behold

imagine rounding up dc's cosmic big bads in history and let them fist fight teen titans, that's literally what happened in the that event

Originally posted by MrMind

spectre and raven punching the crap out of each other in the background, it was a sight to behold

Just concerning this part. I think in Dark Crisis: War Zone actually shows the Spectre owning Raven casually despite her best efforts. And Spectre was just toying with Raven
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Originally posted by MrMind
imagine rounding up dc's cosmic big bads in history and let them fist fight teen titans, that's literally what happened in the that event Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
He was weakened, no? Ok, let's run with that.

So was True Form Multiversal Darkseid weakened to half-multiversal levels of power? 500-million universe levels of power? 100-million universes levels of power? Abstract, single-universal levels of power? Skyfather levels of power? Trans level of power? High herald levels of power?

I mean... he couldnt' kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares.

So you guys tell me how weakened he was from his True Form Multiversal Darkseid levels of power during Dark Crisis

Originally posted by ODG
Ok, let's run with that.

So was True Form Multiversal Darkseid weakened to half-multiversal levels of power? 500-million universe levels of power? 100-million universes levels of power? Abstract, single-universal levels of power? Skyfather levels of power? Trans level of power? High herald levels of power?

I mean... he couldnt' kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares.

So you guys tell me how weakened he was from his True Form Multiversal Darkseid levels of power during Dark Crisis
That's some red herring or shifting the burden of proof TBH.
He was weakened to what point? Well, to the point that you said here. But we couldn't say how powerful he is when he isn't weakened. I don't think this is hard to understand.

Plus, in Justice League (2018) 75, Empty Hand also failed to kill either Black Adam or Hawkgirl. And last time I checked, you seem to have a very high opinions on him
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Originally posted by ODG
Revisiting this list:

1) Great Darkness a.k.a. Great Evil Beast, Pralaya, Mother Night
2) Presence a.k.a. the Source, the Voice, the Overvoid, Father Time
3) Endless a.k.a. Death + Destiny + Dream + Destruction + Desire + Despair + Delirium
4) Life Equation/Miracle Machine
5) Anti-Life Equation
6) The Empty Hand/The Gentry
7) Cosmic Raptor
8) The Hands/Perpetua/Ultra-Monitor
9) Mxy/Batmite
10) Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman
11) Dr. Manhattan/Darkest Knight a.k.a Batman Who Laughs (final form)
12) Anti-Monitor a.k.a. Mobius/World Forger a.k.a. Alpheus/Monitor a.k.a Mar Novu
13) Barbatos
14) Hecate/Upside Down Man
15) Cosmic Armor Superman
16) Mandrakk
17) Basanos/Elaine Belloc
18) Lucifer/Michael
19) The Entity a.k.a. White Light of Creation/Nekron/Umbrax
20) Power of the Guardians a.k.a. Ion (conglomerated)
21) The Speed Force/The Still Force
22) Quantum Field
23) Worlogog
24) Volthoom a.k.a the First Lantern
25) Parallax/Predator/Ophidion/Butcher/Adara/Proselyte
26) The Green/The Red/The Clear/The Grey/The Black a.k.a the Rot



You guys think it's more or less accurate than it's previous iteration? Notably, I removed the Godwave because its placement kinda makes no sense in the current DC continuity. The Godwave supposedly gave rise to Speedforce, Quantum Field, even the Power of the Guardians. But per Highfather, it started it's spread 40k years ago per its own storyline. That just doesn't fly now.

You guys think the following entities deserve a spot on the list: Ultimator, Time Trapper, the Phantom Lantern, Anti-Life Entity, Fuginauts, Omega Titans, Krona, Imperiex, Phantom Stranger, Kismet, Lords of Chaos/Order?

We see Darkseid's true form at his full power in Infinite Frontier and Justice League Incarnate. Probably one of the most overrated characters in DC.

https://i.imgur.com/qxnTSkBm.png

- Justice League Incarnate #4

Originally posted by Astner
We see Darkseid's true form at his full power in Infinite Frontier and Justice League Incarnate. Probably one of the most overrated characters in DC.

https://i.imgur.com/qxnTSkBm.png

- Justice League Incarnate #4
How's it overrated when his opponent is living jobber himself lol

because LT never jobbed as bad as darkseid even at his lowest

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DC boys can't even agree on what his actual "true form" really is, lol. It changes from story arc to story arc, from fan to fan.

For me, this is True Darkseid:
I thought True Form Darkseid is what happens if you go to the beach and fall asleep and forget to roll over and even out the tan.

Originally posted by ODG
Ok, let's run with that.

So was True Form Multiversal Darkseid weakened to half-multiversal levels of power? 500-million universe levels of power? 100-million universes levels of power? Abstract, single-universal levels of power? Skyfather levels of power? Trans level of power? High herald levels of power?

I mean... he couldnt' kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares.

So you guys tell me how weakened he was from his True Form Multiversal Darkseid levels of power during Dark Crisis

Imagine him fighting Anti Monitor.

Maybe True Form Darkseid is all the friends that we made along the way

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Imagine him fighting Anti Monitor.
Or how he one-shots the Quintessence(including Highfather, Ganthet, Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Wizard Shazam)

Originally posted by Smurph
Maybe True Form Darkseid is all the friends that we made along the way

Maybe True Form Darkseid was what Stoic was always talking about.....we are all, 'true form dark side'.

Maybe True Form Darkseid is my bagel if I dial the toaster knob up to 11

https://youtube.com/shorts/XAnCHrXsPcw?si=YGDTRs77uzbZTC_e

Don't know if this will work but it explains TFD.

Maybe True Form Darkseid is Lawest in full leather, no safe words.

Do we want to see his dark side club?

I thought Darkseid had a father Yuga Khan? Was that just an avatar too, or how is this bullshit explained? Why does only Darkseid have a true form with avatars and all the other New Gods an Apokalyptians dont? It sounds like some serious bad written crap.

Brainiac had a multiversal true form too. Does every character get one? These crappy writers :')

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's some red herring or shifting the burden of proof TBH.
He was weakened to what point? Well, to the point that you said here. But we couldn't say how powerful he is when he isn't weakened. I don't think this is hard to understand. Not hard to understand at all. Please tell all of us how weakened True Multiversal Form Darkseid was.

Was he 500-million universal power levels? 100-million universes levels of power? Abstract, single-universal levels of power? Skyfather levels of power? Trans level of power? High herald levels of power? Less? Please, by all means inform us.

Because True Multiversal Form Darkseid being unable to kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares should have no bearing on his power level, after all...

https://i.imgflip.com/837y1h.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
Not hard to understand at all. Please tell all of us how weakened True Multiversal Form Darkseid was.

Was he 500-million universal power levels? 100-million universes levels of power? Abstract, single-universal levels of power? Skyfather levels of power? Trans level of power? High herald levels of power? Less? Please, by all means inform us.

Because True Multiversal Form Darkseid being unable to kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, Nekron, Eclipso, Ares should have no bearing on his power level, after all...
Please tell us what is the answer for X-Y=Z?
Tell us how much amount Darkseid was weakened(Y), and how powerful is Jon(Z). Then we can do the equation

Again, like I said, you seem to shifting the burden of proof here.

Oh,BTW, you also listed Nekron above Speed Force in the quote. So, at least, I think I can answer that it seems either weakened the Dark Army to a great degree, or Jon is just powerful enough to hold his own against someone who is above Speed Force. Kryptonians being Kryptonians I guess

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Superman punches WF, Supergirl beats AM, Superboy Prime beats Darkest Knight. It almost like DC has some fetish to Kryptonians *gasp*

Originally posted by MrMind
because LT never jobbed as bad as darkseid even at his lowest
Running from Korvac, huh?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998


Superman punches WF, Supergirl beats AM, Superboy Prime beats Darkest Knight. It almost like DC has some fetish to Kryptonians *gasp*
No, all these characters are just that weak. Kmc ran off that logic for decades lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Running from Korvac, huh?

not as bad as getting punched by jon kent

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998


Superman punches WF, Supergirl beats AM, Superboy Prime beats Darkest Knight. It almost like DC has some fetish to Kryptonians *gasp*

One shot ko of barbatos too.

Originally posted by MrMind
not as bad as getting punched by jon kent
Tribunal got scared and ran away from Korvac who was shitting his pants against a few spaceships.

Originally posted by abhilegend
a few spaceships.

How do you know there weren't any Abstract-tier Space Ants aboard the ships?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How do you know there weren't any Abstract-tier Space Ants aboard the ships?
They didn't enslave him.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Kryptonians being Kryptonians I guess Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998


Superman punches WF, Supergirl beats AM, Superboy Prime beats Darkest Knight. It almost like DC has some fetish to Kryptonians *gasp* "B-b-b-ut, cuz Superman!?!" isn't actually an argument. It's barely an excuse. And a tired one at that.

Tell that to the dc writers, we are just following their logic

Following your wet fantasies, more like.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Following your wet fantasies, more like.

Can't believe you didn't acknowledge the comedic gems in this thread. Reported.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can't believe you didn't acknowledge the comedic gems in this thread. Reported.

Raoul told me to take it easy on Lawrence.

He's all yours. Just remember, no lubricant allowed.

Disgusting censorship. His ego knows no bounds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Following your wet fantasies, more like.


my wet fantasies do not involve boring old superman

you known me for years, you know what my wet fantasies are, it's much more disturbing than fooking basic bro clark

True, true.

If Superman ever fought you, he would lose even worse than he does on a regular basis against Sodomon Grundy

Originally posted by ODG
"B-b-b-ut, cuz Superman!?!" isn't actually an argument. It's barely an excuse. And a tired one at that.
The irony here

you see, superman needs to remain in the same tier with surfer/thor etc for marvel fanboys, this preconceived notion is what keeps lots of them getting up in the morning

or else their brains short circuit

no amount of feats are gonna sway their opinions. so just let them have their illusion and move on.

^ Superman isn't even in this thread, mang. Whenever Superman is in a thread, you all b1tch and whine about Flash as if it reverse-inflates Superman. Then whenever Superman isn't a thread, you b1tch and whine about Superman as if it reverse-inflates other DC characters. Originally posted by MrMind
Tell that to the dc writers, we are just following their logic
Don't confuse DC writer logic for KMC fanboy logic. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The irony here Irony of what? Instead of a conversation, posters would rather just insist, "B-b-b-but, cuz Superman!?!" as if that leads to anything.

That's not an argument. It's barely an excuse. Honestly, it's just whining because you want to escape constructive discussion.

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Wrap yourselves in your Superman blankey. No problem. Just don't insult my intelligence and pretend it's an argument.

Originally posted by ODG
Don't confuse DC writer logic for KMC fanboy logic. Irony of what? Instead of a conversation, posters would rather just insist, "B-b-b-ut, cuz Superman!?!" as if that leads to anything.

That's not an argument. It's barely an excuse. Honestly, it's just whining because you want to escape constructive discussion.

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Well, since you don't answer the question I replied to you. And just accusing me of using Superman excuse while butthurt by Supergirl in Anti Monitor's thread, and in this thread butthurt by Superboy

So yeah, Irony

^ What question? I was distracted by the b1tch-a$$ wailing.

Supergirl isn't in this thread. Neither is Anti-Monitor.

Keep the butthurt in the right threads. No need to crawl through multiple threads with bloody butts and spread bloody sh1t streaks all over KMC because you end up thwarted in a random thread.

You want to talk about Supergirl and Anti-Monitor, revive those threads.

Originally posted by ODG
^ What question? I was distracted by the b1tch-a$$ wailing.
Like apparently you can't answer how much Darkseid was weakened, and Superboy survived a beating that assisted by someone you ranked above Speed Force(Nekron) for starter

Originally posted by ODG

You want to talk about Supergirl and Anti-Monitor, revive those threads.
There you go
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=685191&from=thread&pagenumber=7#post17676616

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like apparently you can't answer how much Darkseid was weakened, and Superboy survived a beating that assisted by someone you ranked above Speed Force(Nekron) for starter What sort of begging the question, negative proof fallacy sh1te is this?

It's on me to disprove multiversal true form Darkseid's power? How about we read the comics and you convince me why we should elevate him to the near peak of Abstract power that is personified by the Living Tribunal?

Originally posted by ODG
What sort of begging the question, negative proof fallacy sh1te is this?

It's on me to disprove multiversal true form Darkseid's power? How about we read the comics and you convince me why we should elevate him to the near peak of Abstract power that is personified by the Living Tribunal?
Yes, since you made the claim that true form Darkseid's power sucks, while we have no way knowing it(since he was weakened)

Then later statement is a strawman, I never argued we should elevate him to the near peak of Abstract power that is personified by the Living Tribunal. I'm pointing out you using Dark Crisis to disprove his powers is iffy

^ F@cking Black Adam dispelled Pariah's chains... exactly how powerful were Pariah's chain debuffs that limited multiversal true form Darkseid to not even being able to defeat Superboy while assisted by every marquis DC supervillain?

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Originally posted by ODG
^ F@cking Black Adam dispelled Pariah's chains... exactly how powerful were Pariah's chain debuffs that limited multiversal true form Darkseid to not even being able to defeat Superboy while assisted by every marquis DC supervillain?
Black Adam's lightning also koed Pariah. Who was stated to be more powerful than Empty Hand(and the chains also enslaved him).

Well, it debuffs to a point that let Empty Hand(and plus a lot of heavy hitters) can't kill a single Justice League member with multiple pages space.
To a point that Nekron(the guy you listed above SF) plus a lot of heavy hitters couldn't kill Superboy despite an extensive beating

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Then later statement is a strawman, I never argued we should elevate him to the near peak of Abstract power that is personified by the Living Tribunal. So bow out of the conversation because that is what this thread is about. Not your butthurt. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Black Adam's lightning also koed Pariah. Who was stated to be more powerful than Empty Hand(and the chains also enslaved him).

Well, it debuffs to a point that let Empty Hand(and plus a lot of heavy hitters) can't kill a single Justice League member with multiple pages space.
To a point that Nekron(the guy you listed above SF) plus a lot of heavy hitters couldn't kill Superboy despite an extensive beating Where do you see Empty Hand? Him and Upside Down Man peaced out several issues in. Left the humiliation to be borne by the multiversal true form Darkseid who couldn't escape chains that Black Adam could dispel.

Originally posted by ODG
So bow out of the conversation because that is what this thread is about. Not your butthurt. Where do you see Empty Hand? Him and Upside Down Man peaced out several issues in. Left the humiliation to be borne by the multiversal true form Darkseid who couldn't escape chains that Black Adam could dispel.
Here, guess you really don't like read others' replies, right?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That's some red herring or shifting the burden of proof TBH.
He was weakened to what point? Well, to the point that you said here. But we couldn't say how powerful he is when he isn't weakened. I don't think this is hard to understand.

Plus, in Justice League (2018) 75, Empty Hand also failed to kill either Black Adam or Hawkgirl. And last time I checked, you seem to have a very high opinions on him
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Well, Empty Hand also was chained by it, Nekron also was chained by it. So why Darkseid chained by it is any different?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Here, guess you really don't like read others' replies, right?

Well, Empty Hand also was chained by it, Nekron also was chained by it. So why Darkseid chained by it is any different? Ha. Empty Hand throws one attack there that is dodged. Multiversal true form Darkseid has his attacks blocked, tanked or outright thwarted. Don't try to equate Empty Hand to multiversal true form Darkseid. Empty Hand literally stomped on him.

The desperation to elevate Darkseid to Empty Hand is f@cking revolting.

Originally posted by ODG
Ha. Empty Hand throws one attack there that is dodged. Multiversal true form Darkseid has his attacks blocked, tanked or outright thwarted. Don't try to equate Empty Hand to multiversal true form Darkseid. Empty Hand literally stomped on him.

The desperation to elevate Darkseid to Empty Hand is f@cking revolting.
So...you're saying Empty Hand couldn't hit Hawkgirl, who is like, has some very great speed feats to let her dodge someone who is a high abstract being, that you listed above Cosmic Raptor(who one-shotted Perpetua in one page).

And you seem to choose to ignore Nekron's problem

And no, nobody equate Empty Hand to multiversal true form Darkseid, the strawman here is strong

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So...you're saying Empty Hand couldn't hit Hawkgirl No. I didn't say that. Simple. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And you seem to choose to ignore Nekron's problem I actually addressed it directly. So I'll repeat myself: It's called jobbing, schmuck. And, no, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't get that excuse given that Nekron has an established history of power and station.

Whereas, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't. Got stepped on by the Empty Hand and then next time he showed up he struggled against Superboy while assisted by marquis DC supervillains.Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And no, nobody equate Empty Hand to multiversal true form Darkseid, the strawman here is strong Good. Because Empty Hand stomped on multiversal true form Darkseid. The strawman of trying to elevate multiversal true form Darkseid to Empty Hand's station is weak.

Originally posted by ODG
No. I didn't say that. Simple. I actually addressed it directly. So I'll repeat myself: It's called jobbing, schmuck. And, no, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't get that excuse given that Nekron has an established history of power and station.

Whereas, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't. Got stepped on by the Empty Hand and then next time he showed up he struggled against Superboy while assisted by marquis DC supervillains. Good. Because Empty Hand stomped on multiversal true form Darkseid. The strawman of trying to elevate multiversal true form Darkseid to Empty Hand's station is weak.
So, IOW, you have no way to tell how much Darkseid was weakened. Hence, using the Dark Crisis to disprove his powers is iffy.

Did I make myself clear?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So, IOW, you have no way to tell how much Darkseid was weakened. Hence, using the Dark Crisis to disprove his powers is iffy.

Did I make myself clear? Your b1tching, whining and appealing to Superman as if that excused anything were imminently clear.

When you have an argument that elevates multiversal true form Darkseid to Living Tribunal's station, let alone Empty Hand's, let us know.

Originally posted by ODG
Your b1tching, whining and appealing to Superman as if that excused anything were imminently clear.

When you have an argument that elevates multiversal true form Darkseid to Living Tribunal's station, let alone Empty Hand's, let us know.
Sure, Jan

^ Alright. Enough with the diatribes. You tell me how multiversal true form Darkseid beats Living Trtibunal.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Alright. Enough with the diatribes. You tell me how multiversal true form Darkseid beats Living Trtibunal.
Yes, enoguh with the diatribes.
Like I said before. The point I'm making is you using the Dark Crisis to disprove True Form Darkseid's powers is iffy. No more, no less

As for the fight itself. I honestly have no idea. Because I rarely concern about these cosmic beings/never pay much attention to them.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because I rarely concern about these cosmic beings/never pay much attention to them. https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-22-2022/RGlAwR.gif

In the future, when you "don't much care" about the characters in the thread, you best stfu.

Originally posted by ODG
In the future, when you "don't much care" about the characters in the thread, you best stfu.
Well, I mean, it doesn't take much effort to point out someone being wrong. Especially you're neither mod or any authority on this forum.
I don't think you got the right to tell me stfu

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, I mean, it doesn't take much effort to point out someone being wrong. Especially you're neither mod or any authority on this forum.
I don't think you got the right to tell me stfu Keep feigning that you don't care that you've been deconstructed repeatedly, much less care about this topic much at all.

****ing Old Man Whirly!-lite, yo.

Originally posted by ODG
Keep feigning that you don't care that you've been deconstructed repeatedly, much less care about this topic much at all.

****ing Old Man Whirly!-lite, yo.
Well.....this is probably what they called a meltdown

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I rarely concern about these cosmic beings/never pay much attention to them.

Originally posted by ODG

You want to talk about Supergirl and Anti-Monitor, revive those threads. Didn't you drag them into a few threads already?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Raoul told me to take it easy on Lawrence.

He's all yours. Just remember, no lubricant allowed.

And everyone else??

Originally posted by Juntai
Didn't you drag them into a few threads already? I did. At the time, I honestly felt it was on-topic in those threads anyway. I might have to revisit that after this.

In reviewing the last few pages of my own posts, I admit they were unjustifiably antagonistic and off-topic.

So I apologize qwertyuiop1998 for being a schmuck.

In an honest effort to bring this thread back to constructive discussion and not just uncontrolled trollery by me, I would posit that Empty Hand was a literal part of the Great Darkness. Right?

So I'm not sure that his random appearances in single panels in ancillary comics should be treated as an indictment of Empty Hand's relative power level compared to multiversal true form Darkseid. Because I don't think Pariah subdued/enslaved the Empty Hand like he clearly had to do with multiversal true form Darkseid.

wrong thread

Originally posted by ODG
I did. At the time, I honestly felt it was on-topic in those threads anyway. I might have to revisit that after this.

In reviewing the last few pages of my own posts, I admit they were unjustifiably antagonistic and off-topic.

So I apologize qwertyuiop1998 for being a schmuck.

In an honest effort to bring this thread back to constructive discussion and not just uncontrolled trollery by me, I would posit that Empty Hand was a literal part of the Great Darkness. Right?

So I'm not sure that his random appearances in single panels in ancillary comics should be treated as an indictment of Empty Hand's relative power level compared to multiversal true form Darkseid. Because I don't think Pariah subdued/enslaved the Empty Hand like he clearly had to do with multiversal true form Darkseid.
No worries!

I was just saying the use of Dark Crisis to disprove True Form Darkseid's powers is a bit iffy, since he was depowered bakc then.

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