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Both are furious, and going for the kill.

Who wins?

Silver Surfer destroys him.

He does, unless he chooses to go melee with him.

Norrin has some really dumb ideas sometimes.

Only if Mongul can get his hands on him otherwise Power Cosmic for the win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He does, unless he chooses to go melee with him.

Norrin has some really dumb ideas sometimes.

So you envisioned the pummeling that Thanos gave him as well? When I made this that's the first thing that came to mind.

Originally posted by Stoic
So you envisioned the pummeling that Thanos gave him as well? When I made this that's the first thing that came to mind.

Yes, I did.

Or how he was confident to go hand-to-hand with T'Challa after he got depowered to a degree.

Surfer's only way to win is through exotic means. Fighting him like he fights Thanos (Generic blasts and getting close enough within punching range) then he loses.

Surfer stomps.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Surfer stomps. Only the way I said. If he fights him like he does Thanos then he loses

Originally posted by h1a8
Only the way I said. If he fights him like he does Thanos then he loses

No he doesn't

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer's only way to win is through exotic means.
The Silver Surfer has wrestled and taken hits from characters like Thor, Hulk, and Gladiator. It's just that that's not normally not how he fights. He has every superpower in the book, it's just that the Power Cosmic goes far beyond what brawn alone can do. The Surfer's whole gimmick is that he casually surfs supernovae. That alone sets a precedent of scale that's difficult to compete with.

If Surfer decides to discharge enough energy to create a black hole like he did in Annihilation then it's over. I mean, what could Mongul even do in that scenario? He can't fly. He's going to fall into it with the rest of the planet while the Surfer watches.

Originally posted by Astner
https://i.imgur.com/00Axp4Xm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/k5xQHiIm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/3Pknng4m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/woFLJCjm.jpg

- Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1

Originally posted by Astner
The Silver Surfer has wrestled and taken hits from characters like Thor, Hulk, and Gladiator. It's just that that's not normally not how he fights. He has every superpower in the book, it's just that the Power Cosmic goes far beyond what brawn alone can do. The Surfer's whole gimmick is that he casually surfs supernovae. That alone sets a precedent of scale that's difficult to compete with.

It doesn't and even rookie Lanterns can dive into supernovas. Doesn't mean they are unbeatable.

Sure, Surfer could BFR Mongul to win. He isn't beating him straight up though.

Originally posted by carver9
No he doesn't
Of course he does. Mongul would beat the crap out of him in a strength/energy slugfest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't and even rookie Lanterns can dive into supernovas.
They can shield themselves from supernovae, provided they're far enough away. It's not quite the same thing though.

Even Superman has had his life threatened by supernovae.

https://i.imgur.com/lLzxaJ0m.png

"Right behind him was an expanding ball of radiation that would've incinerated Clark as soon as it touched him."

- Action Comics #847

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, Surfer could BFR Mongul to win. He isn't beating him straight up though.
I don't think Mongul would survive inside of a black hole. He certainly doesn't have the feats for it. But the Surfer has a million different ways to deal with Mongul, and Mongul doesn't have the extensive list of resistance feats Superman have picked up over the thousands of comics he's been in. I don't think there's much of a debate here.

Originally posted by Astner
They can shield themselves from supernovae, provided they're far enough away. It's not quite the same thing though.

Wrong as usual.


Soranik Natu survives a supernova and a black hole. GLC recharge 1
https://postimg.cc/gallery/JsF0TyB
Isamot and Vath survive a black hole and a supernova . GLC recharge 2.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/JrW4wZ7


Why do you lie about this despite being corrected multiple times?

Name those million different ways, I'd like to see those.

The way Surfer can beat Mongul is whatever way that popped up in your head. He can do it and whatever else he wants to, to Mongul. This is a non-fight and should be a one panel fight in comics.

Originally posted by carver9
The way Surfer can beat Mongul is whatever way that popped up in your head. He can do it and whatever else he wants to, to Mongul. This is a non-fight and should be a one panel fight in comics.
Is it now?

Abhi, would you say that Mongul would be as physically dominating as Thanos was at the time that he casually defeated the Surfer? Killing him with his bare hands?

Thanos is cosmic, but not on account to Galactus as you likely know. This is why he can do ludicrous amounts of damage on the Surfer. Even without mentioning the two times that he was augmented, the Surfer has power over organic Life forms, which allows him to shield himself from taking damage from similar opponents.

The Hulk is a prime example. Thor is as well, to a certain extent. Thor literally caved the Surfers head in with his hammer, and Norrin got back up as if nothing happened.

However, I'm more than willing to be corrected. What's the story with Mongul? Why do you see this going a different way?

Originally posted by Astner
The Silver Surfer has wrestled and taken hits from characters like Thor, Hulk, and Gladiator. It's just that that's not normally not how he fights. He has every superpower in the book, it's just that the Power Cosmic goes far beyond what brawn alone can do. The Surfer's whole gimmick is that he casually surfs supernovae. That alone sets a precedent of scale that's difficult to compete with.

If Surfer decides to discharge enough energy to create a black hole like he did in Annihilation then it's over. I mean, what could Mongul even do in that scenario? He can't fly. He's going to fall into it with the rest of the planet while the Surfer watches.

Lol you didn't read any of my posts did you? You just wasted minutes of your time and won't be able to get them back.

I said Surfer wins by exotic means. But if he fights Mongul like he does Thanos then he will lose.

Basically if Surfer can beat Mongul then he could beat Thanos using the same strategy.

Originally posted by Astner

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

https://i.imgur.com/AXRGTFum.jpeg

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.
Isn't Surfer example more like Superman's sun eater example though?
As in the next page, indicates that Surfer is outracing the supernova.
https://ibb.co/mSPKJZY

So maybe he gets blasted by the supernova at the first page, but certainly isn't the full force of it.
Similar to Superman's sun-eater example. Superman was at the ground zero of that explosion(when he was weakened by red sun light). And then he tried to outrace the radiations it generated

Originally posted by Stoic
Abhi, would you say that Mongul would be as physically dominating as Thanos was at the time that he casually defeated the Surfer? Killing him with his bare hands?

Yes.

Like who?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Originally posted by Astner
It's been some time since I read the story but you're correct, he was blasted by red solar radiation in the previous scene. So I'll retract that point since it's not necessarily reliable.

Let's look at another example.

https://i.imgur.com/d8DS1cSm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ERwVG5Am.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/1dEFRH4m.png

Action Comics #867

Here Superman is knocked unconscious by a Sun-like star supernova after Braniac triggered it. He was at a inhabited planet at the time, with earth-like buildings, so it's fair to assume the conditions are similar to that of the Earth and the Sun, i.e. a distance of one astronomic unit, meaning that very little of the energy actually reached him. We could speculate further by pointing out that it was a yellow star (which Superman gets his powers from) so it should have even less of an effect, but I think that's unfair/reaching.

Coincidentally a supernova would have killed everyone on marvel earth under Starlin. Including Thanos . Just like here.
http://i.imgur.com/8MlDsKc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RgUkI8R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HAG66JQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eVXdz7m.jpg
Even though it was illusion created by Warlock, if he hadn't created it Goddess would've killed the whole universe with those exploding stars.
http://i.imgur.com/30uPDmt.jpg


Infinity Crusade 6



The explosion never even touched Surfer, the very next page makes it clear.

https://ibb.co/mSPKJZY

Why do you lie so much?

Surfer has never tanked a supernova.

Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer.
Yes, he is, on both counts.

Originally posted by carver9
Mongul isn't as physically strong or even close to Thanos and he's also not vastly stronger than Surfer. Of course he is. He contends with Superman (who is stronger than Thanos) and overpowers Wonder Woman. Superman stated that his grip (one handed) was equal to Darkseid grip (a bear hug). He is at least a physical peer to Thanos. Thanos is more versatile though, a better fighter, and much smarter.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course he is. He contends with Superman (who is stronger than Thanos) and overpowers Wonder Woman. Superman stated that his grip (one handed) was equal to Darkseid grip (a bear hug). He is at least a physical peer to Thanos. Thanos is more versatile though, a better fighter, and much smarter.

Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Like who?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Recently or as recent as Ross being the Hulk, Marvel established that unless a character was Cosmic they couldn't do full damage on guys that were, such as Uatu being ripped on by Rulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Like who?

He's vastly stronger than Surfer and Surfer tends to do poorly in such encounters.

Sorry did you say that Mongul was vastly stronger than the Hulk, or Thanos, Thor, etc? I have trouble believing that. Wonder Woman does little to sway my opinion when the Hulk has a limit that far surpasses Mongul. The Surfer has the exotic ability to nerf non cosmic, and non robotic characters.

Originally posted by Stoic
Recently or as recent as Ross being the Hulk, Marvel established that unless a character was Cosmic they couldn't do full damage on guys that were, such as Uatu being ripped on by Rulk.
What do you mean by cosmic? Originally posted by carver9
Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.
Let me know when Thanos or Surfer do something like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/jDNbfk9Y/image.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry did you say that Mongul was vastly stronger than the Hulk, or Thanos, Thor, etc? I have trouble believing that. Wonder Woman does little to sway my opinion when the Hulk has a limit that far surpasses Mongul. The Surfer has the exotic ability to nerf non cosmic, and non robotic characters.
Yes, he's vastly stronger than Surfer and is likely stronger than Thanos.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you mean by cosmic?
Let me know when Thanos or Surfer do something like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/jDNbfk9Y/image.jpg

Do something like what?

Originally posted by carver9
Do something like what?
Punch someone across solar systems and crack nearby planets by doing it.

Across the solar system? Cracking planets? Where

Originally posted by carver9
Across the solar system? Cracking planets? Where
Maybe visit your eye doctor?

Originally posted by Astner
It's been some time since I read the story but you're correct, he was blasted by red solar radiation in the previous scene. So I'll retract that point since it's not necessarily reliable.

Let's look at another example.

https://i.imgur.com/d8DS1cSm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ERwVG5Am.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/1dEFRH4m.png

Action Comics #867

Here Superman is knocked unconscious by a Sun-like star supernova after Braniac triggered it. He was at a inhabited planet at the time, with earth-like buildings, so it's fair to assume the conditions are similar to that of the Earth and the Sun, i.e. a distance of one astronomic unit, meaning that very little of the energy actually reached him. We could speculate further by pointing out that it was a yellow star (which Superman gets his powers from) so it should have even less of an effect, but I think that's unfair/reaching.

Surfer is a lot closer, and unaffected.

https://i.imgur.com/AXRGTFum.jpeg

Silver Surfer (1987) #145

So here you have a phenomenon that knocks out Superman but leaves the Surfer unfazed. And as far as I know, Clark has never tanked a supernova, let alone remain unperturbed by it like the Silver Surfer.

Surfering the waves is like rolling with the punches. It astronomically reduces the total kinetic energy striking Surfer with.

And a supernova can end all of life on a planet from light years away.
1 AU is almost the same as ground zero.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fts doesn't transfer to Mongul. That's not how this works. He's not significantly more stronger than Surfer.

He fought Superman and was beating the shit out of him at one point while taking Superman's nearly full strikes. That doesn't prove they have comparable strength?

Well then since Thanos doesnt have any lifting feats (only feats fighting characters) then by default he's weaker than Colossus.

Also you forgot about him being stronger than Darkseid (his one-handed grip = Darkseid two handed bear hug grip).