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.agik easily

Who/What is that Serpent in the WW pic?

Don't know but WW can turn into Medusa. Interesting.

Wonder Woman

ww turns her to stone

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman

speed feats of this WW?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
speed feats of this WW?

she doesn't need it she can just do this

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Lmao by the time she even gets the lasso out she would be stabbed in the back by the Soulsword.

Or sent to the Sun.

Or punched out.

so we have to let ww fight like a retard and not use her haxx ability

but magik is gonna be fast like the flash? where does she get the speed?

Originally posted by MrMind
so we have to let ww fight like a retard and not use her haxx ability

but magik is gonna be fast like the flash? where does she get the speed?

You mean you want to gimp Magik and not let her use her speed?

She's easily a bullet timer - this is recently, when she was sick and dying:
https://i.postimg.cc/RNbprRtp/RCO007-1709742926.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/yDgQ7ZX1/RCO009-1709742926.jpg

Even when younger:
https://i.postimg.cc/DSn0TrKs/Younger.png

And previously, she was able to casually dodge Mjolnir:
https://i.postimg.cc/0rjpgqCx/Thor1.jpg

And again:
https://i.postimg.cc/Q9wVGvXx/Thoe2.png

And could port Cyclops away before he could even think:
https://i.postimg.cc/zVm3dmtx/Cyclops1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/PCyxrCt7/Cyclops2.png

And, well.....a simulacrum of Spectrum:
https://i.postimg.cc/ppDr403R/Spectrum.png

This is all before she goes full Darkchylde mode. Most of these scans are when she was younger, or she's ill etc.

So sure, Absolute WW could try getting that lasso out and wrapping it around her arm and saying a little spell and then.....turn into Medusa lol.

By the time she does all that, IF she does get to do all that, Magik has crossed the 0.5km distance in less thana heartbeat, and stabbed her in the back of her head:

https://i.postimg.cc/prh23Gn4/heartbeat.png

Don't forget Magik is also a time traveller. She teleports through time and space. Match starts, WW gets stabbed in the first milisecond by a Magik travelling from 1 minutes in the future.

lol bullet timer? magik blitzing wonder woman? lol that's a new one

this wonder woman was already dodging eyebeams in close range, easily catching up fighter jet

she has generated auto shield in an instant, and can dish out aoe attack by just crossing her arm, guess magik is so fast she can cross the distance and stab her in the back of her head before ww can even cross her arm?

she also seems more like a mage than the mainstream ww, has various far range magic attacks under her belt

https://i.ibb.co/GQsp8sJG/nxMLkA6.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/wFgB8HdS/UAI5rOk.jpg
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See Magik outreacting Spectrum at lightspeed.lol at jets.My scans were showing her bullet timing when dying

AoE? Your scans only shows it working in front of her. Magik can attack from any angle.

Not to mention you made a serious error - once she turns into Medusa, she loses all these feats as she's Medusa, with Medusa's body and knowledge, not WW.

And yes, Magik would do it before she crosses her arms.

once she turns into medusa it would be over, she wouldn't need to do anything else

she'll look at magik and magik will turn into stone

Originally posted by MrMind
once she turns into medusa it would be over, she wouldn't need to do anything else

she'll look at magik and magik will turn into stone

So whilst she does all this unwrapping and wrapping and transforming, Magik is just standing there watching, eh?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So whilst she does all this unwrapping and wrapping and transforming, Magik is just standing there watching, eh?

why are you acting like ww be useless if she doesn't turn medusa, when she can dodge close range energy projection, set up auto-shield, perform magical aoe attacks. this version of ww is nothing if not versatile
not to mention, what defense does magik has against the stare if ww does turn

she also got that skeleton pegasus that can navigate and shoot beams, it was fast enough to intercept missiles

also golgo, which magik is it, limbo hell lord magik or regular magik

does ww get her all her artifacts and her pegasus too?

Originally posted by MrMind
why are you acting like ww be useless if she doesn't turn medusa,
Because.....you started with Medusa?


Close range? Here is Magik dodging Black Widow, who has way better shooting feats than the monster:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/11137/111378174/9325428-2497703826-GetAttachmentThumbnail.png

I've shown her saving Cyclops from a giant blast. Here is another:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9350108-5739369578-GetAttachmentThumbnail.jpg
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9350109-8721324585-GetAttachmentThumbnail.png

Even when Nimrod 'times it to perfection':
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/11137/111378174/9357510-2981674675-Fall%25.jpg

If she sets up a shield, by definition it is not auto, lmao. But anyway - your scans only showed her making a shield in front of her (same with the attack). Here is Magik changing direction:
https://i.postimg.cc/W10NZGHV/Beast.jpg


By...going behind her, lol.



Cool.

Here, Magik teleports Cyclops and herself from Earth into a speeding space ship next to the sun, then to the ISS (which travels at 17,500mph), then back to Earth:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9355560-4393396426-93555.png
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9355561-5424217044-93555.png
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But yeah, jets are cute I guess.

And she can just send them across the universe:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9356597-3947858540-GetAttachmentThumbnail.jpg

This Sentinel had a metal hide that would not bend or break.

This is all without even talking about Magik's sorcery, or her Limbo beasts, or her time-travelling, lol.

She's not a Hell-lord here, btw

Originally posted by MrMind
also golgo, which magik is it, limbo hell lord magik or regular magik

does ww get her all her artifacts and her pegasus too?

Standard. And standard gear

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Standard. And standard gear



Standard Magik shunts the Soulsword into the back of her head.

Or Diana can lasso her up

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Or Diana can lasso her up

She has no speed feats. Magik can dodge and portal out from Mjolnir hitting her, from bullets (whilst dying), from speed of light attacks, and can time travel. She can attack from any angle - above, below, behind WW. She can send WW to the Moon, to the Sun, to the furthest areas of space. She can cut her into little pieces, or phase her into the ground, or across time. Teleport things into WW:

https://i.postimg.cc/phWmzf6H/1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/34tdBksD/2.jpg

Summon demons to distract WW whilst she takes her out - and this is without actually using magic, which people forget she can do. Here, she takes out Dr Strange, then swaps their identities via a spell, then teleports everyone out via spell (not using her stepping discs):
https://i.postimg.cc/TpF5FWpV/RCO007-1475730057.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3ddDtZJr/RCO008-1475730057.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8sy6dYGn/RCO009-1475730057.jpg

Or just punch her. Magik is more uber than people think.

Show me that Magik can react to light speed attacks after they are launched.

It's clear you are bias as you see WW fighting with no superspeed or having the ability to statue much slower beings.

Have you read any issues of Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by h1a8
Show me that Magik can react to light speed attacks after they are launched.

It's clear you are bias as you see WW fighting with no superspeed or having the ability to statue much slower beings.

Post scans of WW actually having speed feats. As I've asked. Or statuing slower beings. Or fighting with superspeed. Magik doesn't need those feats as WW isn't lightspeed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Post scans of WW actually having speed feats. As I've asked. Or statuing slower beings. Or fighting with superspeed. Magik doesn't need those feats as WW isn't lightspeed. You made that claim.Why not prove it?

Originally posted by h1a8
You made that claim.Why not prove it?
I posted it on the previous page. Guess you can't read.

Now back your statements up.

It's crazy to think Absolute Wonder Woman isn't faster than Magik of all people.

Originally posted by carver9
It's crazy to think Absolute Wonder Woman isn't faster than Magik of all people.

Have you got any feats for her?

Also, you guys are forgetting that Magik time travels.

Match starts, WW gets shanked in the back of the head by the Soulsword at time = 1 second.

At time = 5 seconds, Magik sends her attack at WW. It travels back in time to time = 1 or time = whatever second.

That all assumes she doesn't just....send her to the Sun or traps her in Limbo etc

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I posted it on the previous page. Guess you can't read.

Now back your statements up.

1. Magik holds up her sword as a shield to block bullets without being shown to adjust its position for each individual shot. Not a reaction feat.
2. Thor's Mjolnir throw speed varies from scene to scene and is unquantifiable. He also telegraphs his throws by swinging his arm, much like a punch. Not a great reaction feat.
3. Younger self = same issue as point 1.
4. How fast did she teleport Cyclops? 1 second? 0.5 seconds? 0.05 seconds?
5. The Spectrum feat is PIS. The writer explicitly intended for the speed of thought to be faster than the speed of light, which is why it was explained Spectrum missed - not because Magik possesses superhuman speed perception.
6. Magik isn't going to think about time traveling to 1 millisecond the moment the fight starts. Plus, it's speculative whether her time travel is that precise - she has struggled with its accuracy in the past, though she has improved.
7. How fast are Black Widow's projectiles?

I appreciate the effort you put into twisting things to make it seem like Magik is not only a speedster but also on par with or even exceeding Wonder Woman in speed.

You can't let your bias towards Magik make you have control of what she does here.

So if i understand this thread correctly, we are pitting a character with five (5) issues worth of appearances against another character with six-hundred+ (600+) appearances.

Have at it, I say.

So long as you aren't trying to disparage the concept of Wonder Woman as a whole because you are some misogynistic incel b1tch-made c@nt.

Go ahead.

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Originally posted by h1a8
1. Magik holds up her sword as a shield to block bullets without being shown to adjust its position for each individual shot. Not a reaction feat.
2. Thor's Mjolnir throw speed varies from scene to scene and is unquantifiable. He also telegraphs his throws by swinging his arm, much like a punch. Not a great reaction feat.
3. Younger self = same issue as point 1.
4. How fast did she teleport Cyclops? 1 second? 0.5 seconds? 0.05 seconds?
5. The Spectrum feat is PIS. The writer explicitly intended for the speed of thought to be faster than the speed of light, which is why it was explained Spectrum missed - not because Magik possesses superhuman speed perception.
6. Magik isn't going to think about time traveling to 1 millisecond the moment the fight starts. Plus, it's speculative whether her time travel is that precise - she has struggled with its accuracy in the past, though she has improved.
7. How fast are Black Widow's projectiles?

I appreciate the effort you put into twisting things to make it seem like Magik is not only a speedster but also on par with or even exceeding Wonder Woman in speed.

You can't let your bias towards Magik make you have control of what she does here.

So I've posted the proof.

Now showcase Absolute Wonder Woman's feats.

H1

Originally posted by Smurph
Have you read any issues of Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by ODG
So long as you aren't trying to disparage the concept of Wonder Woman as a whole because you are some misogynistic incel b1tch-made c@nt.

Go ahead.


I hate the character because she stole the limelight from Mary Marvel

Originally posted by zopzop
I hate the character because she stole the limelight from Mary Marvel ...in the 1940s?

zop can hold a grudge.

Zop REALLY likes the Marvels, I've never seen the likes of it before

Originally posted by leonidas
zop can hold a grudge.
People from the ME are like that

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So I've posted the proof.

Now showcase Absolute Wonder Woman's feats.

Well, h1?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So I've posted the proof.

Now showcase Absolute Wonder Woman's feats.

The evidence isn't proof if a valid rebuttal exists.
I've rebutted your evidence - you must either provide a counter-rebuttal or present new evidence.

Originally posted by Smurph
Have you read any issues of Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by h1a8
The evidence isn't proof if a valid rebuttal exists.
I've rebutted your evidence - you must either provide a counter-rebuttal or present new evidence.

So you haven't actually read it?

I've been asking for speed feats from Absolute WW. You accused me of bias, saying she was capable of statuing her opponent, of using superspeed. So back up this claim.

You don't even accept the real WW speed fts, so why are you asking for Absolute WW speed showings?

Originally posted by carver9
You don't even accept the real WW speed fts, so why are you asking for Absolute WW speed showings?

I do. I just don't think what you posted was anything particularly worthy. But let's keep it to the characters in this thread, that's what you always want, right?

How fast is Absolute WW? I posted some (obviously shitty, according to h1) feats for Magik, but at least I posted....well, something. Who do you think is faster, Magik or Absolute WW, and based on what feats do you base this on? Surely that's basic debating?

I've shown Magik using spells (I can show more). I've shown her using portals to destroy enemies, send them across the universe. I've shown her using her Soulsword. I've shown her throwing her Soulsword through portals to stab her enemies in the back. I can show her summoning demons to be used as cannon fodder and distractions, if needed. I can show her sending people to Limbo. I can show her time travelling, if needed. I can show her going full DarkChild, and physically ripping the Gem of Cyttorak out of Juggernaut.

Meanwhile, your side has shown......her flying alongside a jet, becoming Medusa (which would negate all of her other showings as she literally stops being WW and is Medusa), crossing her arms to make a shield in front of her, and blasting things in front of her.

That's it. And somehow, I'M the biased one?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you haven't actually read it?

I've been asking for speed feats from Absolute WW. You accused me of bias, saying she was capable of statuing her opponent, of using superspeed. So back up this claim.

Wait, so Absolute WW doesn't get standard WW's speed feats?
Well nvm them.

I'm not arguing for either combatant here anyway.
Mostly just critiquing your evidence for Magik's speed and your take on how the fight will go down.

But since this is a different character than standard WW then...

Originally posted by h1a8
Wait, so Absolute WW doesn't get standard WW's speed feats?
Well nvm them.

I'm not arguing for either combatant here anyway.
Mostly just critiquing your evidence for Magik's speed and your take on how the fight will go down.

But since this is a different character than standard WW then...

Maybe you shouldn't participate with characters you know nothing about.

Originally posted by h1a8

You shouldn't participate in debates if you don't know basic information about the characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe you shouldn't participate with characters you know nothing about.

You are a master of ignoring statements.

Originally posted by h1a8

I'm not arguing for either combatant here anyway.
Mostly just critiquing your evidence for Magik's speed and your take on how the fight will go down.

I'm saying you shouldn't participate?

Edit: anyway, you came into this thread with this post:

Originally posted by h1a8

It's clear you are bias as you see WW fighting with no superspeed or having the ability to statue much slower beings.

So care to apologise? Absolute WW is a completely different being, which you would know had you even.....you don't even need to read the actual comics, lol. Yet, your own personal bias towards me made you think 'ah, here is my chance to get at DS', lol.

You're just a waste of time, really.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are a master of ignoring statements. I asked you three times if you had even read an Absolute Wonder Woman comic because you seemed to be confused about the character.

You ignored every question and just carried on saying stupid shit.

Originally posted by Smurph
I asked you three times if you had even read an Absolute Wonder Woman comic because you seemed to be confused about the character.

You ignored every question and just carried on saying stupid shit.

He didn't even need to read Absolute WW, lol - the info contained in this very thread (ODG's posts, Mind's scans) clearly show she's a completely different character.

It's....not even worth debating against, really. Hell, it's not even like they bring any new insights or information or even logic to the thread, just wasting time with tangents and irrelevance. Next thing we know, we'll be stuck arguing whether Gal Gadot's IRL feats as part of her army training in Israel = Absolute WW's feats or some idiocy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying you shouldn't participate?

I disagree with the notion that someone shouldn't critique an argument simply because they don't know at least one of the characters well enough.

Also your statement implies "belief" of not knowing a character.
I initially believed Absolute Wonder Woman was just a standard Wonder Woman with an upgrade (e.g., the ability to become Medusa).

So you ignored Smurph's questions and your own advice to others.

And critiquing = participation. Anyway, as I said before, you're just a waste of time. I gave you the chance to at least apologise for accusing me of bias, but you didn't even take it.

she doesn't have enough feats yet since she only appeared in 5 issues

but that's not reason to lowball her, let's see what else she can do first

maybe next issue she's FTL in reactions or Pegasus is able to transform into a bone sword and shield and can fight independently of her or she has a spell that slows time for everyone else or whatever.

But as it stands, Magik wins this easily.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you ignored Smurph's questions and your own advice to others.

And critiquing = participation. Anyway, as I said before, you're just a waste of time. I gave you the chance to at least apologise for accusing me of bias, but you didn't even take it.

Smurph didn't ask me any questions in this thread, at least not any that I'm aware of.

The statement "critiquing = participation" is only relevant if I was arguing otherwise.
So why make the statement?

But here's my statement you ignored.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with the notion that someone shouldn't critique an argument simply because they don't know at least one of the characters well enough.

Also your statement implies "belief" of not knowing a character.
I initially believed Absolute Wonder Woman was just a standard Wonder Woman with an upgrade (e.g., the ability to become Medusa).

Originally posted by h1a8
Smurph didn't ask me any questions in this thread, at least not any that I'm aware of.

Originally posted by Smurph
Have you read any issues of Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by Smurph
I asked you three times if you had even read an Absolute Wonder Woman comic because you seemed to be confused about the character.

You ignored every question and just carried on saying stupid shit.

He even states it again.

Originally posted by h1a8
Smurph didn't ask me any questions in this thread, at least not any that I'm aware of.

The statement "critiquing = participation" is only relevant if I was arguing otherwise.
So why make the statement?

But here's my statement you ignored.

Participating= Participating. Whether it be to crack a joke, post about your holidays, critique arguments, argue for a character, anything. Your original post said participation, so that's what I'm going with.

And I ignored your statement because it's.... fairly obvious, so nothing to add. You didn't know anything about the character, thus had your usual ignorance, had your usual arrogance, and tried to do your usual trolling routine. What do you want me to add further? That you're a waste of time? I've already said that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He even states it again.



Participating= Participating. Whether it be to crack a joke, post about your holidays, critique arguments, argue for a character, anything. Your original post said participation, so that's what I'm going with.

And I ignored your statement because it's.... fairly obvious, so nothing to add. You didn't know anything about the character, thus had your usual ignorance, had your usual arrogance, and tried to do your usual trolling routine. What do you want me to add further? That you're a waste of time? I've already said that.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with the notion that someone shouldn't critique an argument simply because they don't know at least one of the characters well enough.

Also your statement implies "belief" of not knowing a character.
I initially believed Absolute Wonder Woman was just a standard Wonder Woman with an upgrade (e.g., the ability to become Medusa).

First, I stated that I was unaware of any questions Smurph asked me, so any lack of response wasn't intentional. In reality, I did answer his question later by stating that I believed Absolute Wonder Woman was just mainstream Wonder Woman with an amp, rather than a completely different character.

I never argued or implied that critiquing isn't a form of participation - I already told you this, but I guess it went over your head.

Once again, I disagree with the idea that someone shouldn't participate in order to critique or point out errors in an argument simply because they don't know at least one of the characters well enough. Is that clearer for you?

For example, if someone claims 1+1 = 3, another person - without knowing a character well - could and may still point out the error. Your opinion is your own.

Originally posted by h1a8
First, I stated that I was unaware of any questions Smurph asked me, so any lack of response wasn't intentional. In reality, I did answer his question later by stating that I believed Absolute Wonder Woman was just mainstream Wonder Woman with an amp, rather than a completely different character.

I never argued or implied that critiquing isn't a form of participation - I already told you this, but I guess it went over your head.

Once again, I disagree with the idea that someone shouldn't participate in order to critique or point out errors in an argument simply because they don't know at least one of the characters well enough. Is that clearer for you?

For example, if someone claims 1+1 = 3, another person - without knowing a character well - could and may still point out the error. Your opinion is your own.

It did not go over my head - I quoted your own words which did not give specifics, merely that it was your view that one shouldn't participate. If you disagree with that, which you obviously do, go away and argue with a mirror.

And again, whilst you clearly believed - wrongly - that Absolute WW was just normal WW with an amp, that isn't the point. To make it clearer, you - based on an erroneous belief and zero facts - accused me of bias, based on a mistaken feeling that Absolute WW could statue her opponents.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It did not go over my head - I quoted your own words which did not give specifics, merely that it was your view that one shouldn't participate. If you disagree with that, which you obviously do, go away and argue with a mirror.

And again, whilst you clearly believed - wrongly - that Absolute WW was just normal WW with an amp, that isn't the point. To make it clearer, you - based on an erroneous belief and zero facts - accused me of bias, based on a mistaken feeling that Absolute WW could statue her opponents.

Your ability to pick up on context clues is terrible. I clearly stated, "I disagree with the notion that someone shouldn't critique..." If I believed that critiquing ≠ participating, I would have led with that and explained why. Instead, I specifically argued that critiquing, as a form of participation, is valid.

I'm just stating facts - you are biased toward Magik, and everyone here knows it. It's common knowledge. People who are biased toward a character tend to show a statistical preference for arguing in that character's favor. Other signs can be to sometimes exaggerate their feats or to sometimes interpret their feats differently than intended or differently from the general consensus.

It's no different from how everyone knows that Abhi is biased toward DC and Superman, Carver toward Gladiator, Hulk, and mostly Marvel, and I lean toward fast and skillful characters.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your ability to pick up on context clues is terrible. I clearly stated, "I disagree with the notion that someone shouldn't critique..." If I believed that critiquing ≠ participating, I would have led with that and explained why. Instead, I specifically argued that critiquing, as a form of participation, is valid.

I'm just stating facts - you are biased toward Magik, and everyone here knows it. It's common knowledge. People who are biased toward a character tend to show a statistical preference for arguing in that character's favor. Other signs can be to sometimes exaggerate their feats or to sometimes interpret their feats differently than intended or differently from the general consensus.

It's no different from how everyone knows that Abhi is biased toward DC and Superman, Carver toward Gladiator, Hulk, and mostly Marvel, and I lean toward fast and skillful characters.

Again, your initial statement said participation, full stop. You disagree with it? Then argue with yourself.

My bias is not towards Magik, but to characters that have the feats to beat their opponents.

Such as in here. Absolute WW does not have the feats, so I said she'd lose. Magik has the feats, so I said she'd win.Put her up against characters who would beat her, and I'd say she'd lose.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm right 99% of the time. So me being wrong in every thread is a contradiction.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, your initial statement said participation, full stop. You disagree with it? Then argue with yourself.

My bias is not towards Magik, but to characters that have the feats to beat their opponents.

Such as in here. Absolute WW does not have the feats, so I said she'd lose. Magik has the feats, so I said she'd win.Put her up against characters who would beat her, and I'd say she'd lose.

I have no problem with Magik beating this unknown character. In fact, I strongly believe she does. This unknown character has no speed feats that I'm aware of, and I'm biased toward fast characters. A Wonder Woman without great speed is a terrible character to me.

You're mixing up the order.

You initially mentioned "participation", and I then provided a specific form of participation (critiquing) as a valid example. Instead of addressing that, you kept arguing semantics while missing the context clues. Arguing semantics (what words mean instead what the person means) is a sign of a weak argument.

I'm referring to your entire history of repping Magik and sometimes exaggerating or misinterpreting her feats. There's nothing wrong with being biased - we all are. If you think you have no bias, you're fooling yourself. Acknowledging one's shortcomings is a sign of wisdom and growth. I've admitted to being wrong multiple times -you've witnessed it. But I've never seen you admit to being wrong. You're as stubborn as they come.

Originally posted by Smurph
Fairly accurate statement. A fool would claim certainty 100% of the time, as some members here seem to believe they are.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have no problem with Magik beating this unknown character. In fact, I strongly believe she does. This unknown character has no speed feats that I'm aware of, and I'm biased toward fast characters. A Wonder Woman without great speed is a terrible character to me.

You're mixing up the order.

You initially mentioned "participation", and I then provided a specific form of participation (critiquing) as a valid example. Instead of addressing that, you kept arguing semantics while missing the context clues. Arguing semantics (what words mean instead what the person means) is a sign of a weak argument.

I'm referring to your entire history of repping Magik and sometimes exaggerating or misinterpreting her feats. There's nothing wrong with being biased - we all are. If you think you have no bias, you're fooling yourself. Acknowledging one's shortcomings is a sign of wisdom and growth. I've admitted to being wrong multiple times -you've witnessed it. But I've never seen you admit to being wrong. You're as stubborn as they come.

ok

with the last 2 issues it seems this ww is just more powerful than magik

she just unlocked her power in front of hades also her gadgets are too op

So wait, HAS H1 read Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by Blight
So wait, HAS H1 read Absolute Wonder Woman?

What do I have to do with this? If you read the previous posts, you'll find your answer.

She's a new character with no connection to the mainstream Wonder Woman, so everything comes down to feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
What do I have to do with this? If you read the previous posts, you'll find your answer.

She's a new character with no connection to the mainstream Wonder Woman, so everything comes down to feats. Seems like you're doing a lot of legwork to get around the fact that you haven't read it. Do you have trouble with feeling vulnerable?

Originally posted by Blight
Seems like you're doing a lot of legwork to get around the fact that you haven't read it. Do you have trouble with feeling vulnerable? I don't understand your point. Did you even read all the posts?

I said this months ago when I originally thought Absolute WW was just mainstream WW with upgrades:

Originally posted by h1a8
Wait, so Absolute WW doesn't get standard WW's speed feats?
Well nvm them.

Where in that quote do you say you didn't read Absolute Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by Blight
Where in that quote do you say you didn't read Absolute Wonder Woman? If you were smart, you would know that's what I meant. If I assumed Absolute WW was mainstream WW with upgrades while she's actually a completely different character, then obviously I didn't read Absolute WW. I never claimed to.

I was planning to apply mainstream WW (whom I've read) feats to her. Basically, I was going to argue for standard WW instead.

In conclusion:
1. I didn't read Absolute WW.
2. I'm not claiming Absolute WW wins here.
3. I acknowledge that she's a different character and needs her own feats to establish her abilities (speed, skill, strength, etc.).

That should be the end of the discussion.

You have a huge issue admitting something you perceive as being vulnerable. I get that this is a forum where people argue as a past time so it's understandable, but even your response that finally (after three people asked you multiple times) admits you haven't read it is incredibly combative. My advice: take a breather. You can admit things that make you feel like you don't have the upper hand sometimes.

Originally posted by Blight
You have a huge issue admitting something you perceive as being vulnerable. I get that this is a forum where people argue as a past time so it's understandable, but even your response that finally (after three people asked you multiple times) admits you haven't read it is incredibly combative. My advice: take a breather. You can admit things that make you feel like you don't have the upper hand sometimes.

I've never been asked if I read Absolute WW. Not once. People lie, you know. After I explained her speed advantage, DS asked me to list some feats for her.

I took his request to mean that Absolute WW doesn't get standard WW's feats because she's a completely different character. From that point, I conceded and agreed.

Then you bring up this nonsense months later after everyone already agreed?

Edit: I just looked back and saw that Smurph asked me three times. I never saw any of those posts. I was only following DS's posts or ones that quoted me, so I missed them. It wasn't intentional.

Bro I just can't.

https://i.imgur.com/Ya82VWh.png

https://i.imgur.com/HJs7APy.png

https://i.imgur.com/Jcru8bZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/GpHA3UI.png

Even the person you say was the only one you were paying attention to asked you. I'm not going to hammer this any more because it has become unproductive but you really need to take a look at how defensive you get when asked a fairly simple question. To quote a wise man:

https://i.imgur.com/NReKhmJ.png

Originally posted by Blight
Bro I just can't.

https://i.imgur.com/Ya82VWh.png

https://i.imgur.com/HJs7APy.png

https://i.imgur.com/Jcru8bZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/GpHA3UI.png

Even the person you say was the only one you were paying attention to asked you. I'm not going to hammer this any more because it has become unproductive but you really need to take a look at how defensive you get when asked a fairly simple question. To quote a wise man:

https://i.imgur.com/NReKhmJ.png

That just goes to show that people don't always read someone's entire post. Please read the edit at the very bottom of my previous post and get back to me. You'll see that what you did was a complete waste of time. And yes I inserted the edit a while before your last reply.

Also, wouldn't the edit be the necessary truth based off the claim that no one asked me? Either that or I'm bat shit crazy. A little deduction goes a long way.

You're getting incredibly defensive again. Relax. Not everything is a full blown debate. You were asked on multiple occasions and you either ignored them asking or didn't look (showcasing your inability to read what people post, something you keep claiming of others).

Originally posted by Blight
You're getting incredibly defensive again. Relax. Not everything is a full blown debate. You were asked on multiple occasions and you either ignored them asking or didn't look (showcasing your inability to read what people post, something you keep claiming of others).
I'm not being defensive. There's nothing to defend because I did nothing wrong.

I wasn't reading everyone's comments; why should I? I was having a direct discussion with DS, and no one else. There's nothing wrong with not seeing Smurph's posts if he never quoted me. Once I realized AWW ≠ WW, I stopped caring about arguments from either side. Maybe quoting me would have made a difference, who knows.

You've been proven wrong for misunderstanding the situation. You assumed I saw his posts and chose to ignore them, which is why you brought my name up after someone bumped the thread.

There was no need to instigate an issue that was resolved long ago. It seems like you're trying to stir up trouble. The fact that you don't fully read people's posts before responding suggests that debating with you might be a waste of time. You want me to admit to things while not acknowledging your own mistakes. That's hypocritical.

Originally posted by MrMind
with the last 2 issues it seems this ww is just more powerful than magik

she just unlocked her power in front of hades also her gadgets are too op

If WW unlocking her power in front of Hades is a feat...then Magik being Sorceror Supreme is a feat:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9354776-9388865332-93547.jpg

Still not seeing how her gadgets are too OP when Magik also has OP tools at her disposal.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11137/111378174/9317251-9509932568-GetAttachmentThumbnail.jpg

People forget Magik is also an accomplished magician, on top of having top-tier physical attacks.

Magik = Darkchild:

https://i.postimg.cc/268kYdH9/16.jpg

And this is what happened when we saw Darkchilde:
https://i.postimg.cc/vxmGQMz8/RCO019-1562157422.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/47PJknpF/RCO020-w-1562157422.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zb8JcTHg/RCO021-1562157422.jpg

She physically ripped the Gem of Cyttorak out of Juggernaut, and crushed it with her bare hands. Insane feat.

Full blown and operating at peak levels? Magik has a few decent showings that impressed me, mostly because of how imposing and fast that she can be.

now WW def has feats to beat Magik

https://i.ibb.co/SwTBr7qf/19.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7xHS0y77/20.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/TDNT0tk5/18.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/7JBbpfsh/18.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/5gGFTJRK/19.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/b521nKFg/20.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/0psy03KT/21.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gFwQXXfV/22.jpg

...you think so?

She fought off some fish guys?