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Superman

vs

Scenario 1: Marvel

Gorgon w. Grasscutter
Wolverine w. Muramasa Blade
Black Knight w. The Ebony Blade
Magik w. Soulsword
Korvus w. Phoenix Blade
Phobos w. Godkiller


Scenario 2: DC

Frankenstein w. Michael's Sword
Azrael w. Sword of Salvation and Sword of Sin
Katana w. The Soultaker
Deathstroke w. God Killer
Constantine w. Moonblade
Batman w. Sunblade


All in-character.
Can they kill Supes?

Gorgon turns him into stone. The end.

Can only affect him because of his weakness to magic.

He's also vulnerable to bladed edges like Persuader's axe (and presumably Executioner/Skurge's magical axe) as well, no?

Originally posted by Glorificus
He's also vulnerable to bladed edges like Persuader's axe (and presumably Executioner/Skurge's magical axe) as well, no?

Lol No, he's not vulnerable to blades unless something changed that I'm unaware of. And Persuader isn't a normal axe, it can cut through space/time itself, IIRC it cut through gravity(comics). Superman actually got hit by Persuader (well Mxy made someone him) so hard he was knocked into orbit and it only cut his costume.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Lol No, he's not vulnerable to blades unless something changed that I'm unaware of. And Persuader isn't a normal axe, it can cut through space/time itself, IIRC it cut through gravity(comics). Superman actually got hit by Persuader (well Mxy made someone him) so hard he was knocked into orbit and it only cut his costume.
Yeah, Persuader's axe, even in his first apperance, is stated to be
"can slice through anything..including energy! Lines of force, magnetism and gravity can be cut off by his glowing blade"
https://ibb.co/x8Rh08DW

And this depiction keeps quite consistent, like in Final Crisis LoSH tie-ins
"I read all about you. The Persuader. Your axe can cut through anything"
https://ibb.co/BV8GD05k

And Superman certainly isn't vulnerable to bladed edges(or axes, in this case)
https://ibb.co/yJJykGF

Slade with a magical sword vs Superman


https://i.ibb.co/tT7fDvFD/main-qimg-1b00dd3ceb3c9040f15f2b98ef23be09-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/wNrr9r1Y/main-qimg-ef9ee906ee829cb43b3211ad3e58c406-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/6RmjfK4f/main-qimg-8989696725ae88137d1f968345376671-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/4ntTZvtH/main-qimg-0faf642026b85d851a12a2bc0b2d615c-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/S4M6hVg0/main-qimg-373837812682863b9e49f7b73f96f4b0-lq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WWckjk8Q/main-qimg-82b37177cb05f677d611b3dd8f24b97b-lq.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, Persuader's axe, even in his first apperance, is stated to be
"can slice through anything..including energy! Lines of force, magnetism and gravity can be cut off by his glowing blade"
https://ibb.co/x8Rh08DW

And this depiction keeps quite consistent, like in Final Crisis LoSH tie-ins
"I read all about you. The Persuader. Your axe can cut through anything"
https://ibb.co/BV8GD05k

And Superman certainly isn't vulnerable to bladed edges(or axes, in this case)
https://ibb.co/yJJykGF

Lol I guess the SP officer was jumping when Perduarder cut. Also, I never noticed in the scene with Superman fighting those New Gods, that Kanto looks to be using a conventional pistol.

And I've seen examples of Superman even weakened not getting cut, though the one off the top of my head technically isn't allowed despite being canon.

Originally posted by carver9
Slade with a magical sword vs Superman

So you're saying magical swords don't cut him? Dang!

So uhh back on-topic. Can they beat Supes?

Originally posted by Thinkerer
So uhh back on-topic. Can they beat Supes?

That's the thing, it IS on-topic, silly.

Carver has shown a highly trained and skilled assassin, who has a sword that explicitly amps one to their opponents' level (so imagine Deathstroke's skills with Superman's speed and strength etc) with magic....

Was unable to kill/beat Superman.

This is against teams, not just Deathstroke with that particular sword.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
This is against teams, not just Deathstroke with that particular sword. With Superman's speed, it may as well be 1 on 1. In the first nanosecond, he takes out combatant #1. Nanosecond 2, he takes out #2 etc.

The best chance any of them is maybe DS on team DC, but after his fight with Superman takes place in miliseconds (Constantine for example still has human reactions), then he goes after the others.

In character, Supes dies tbh. Team 1 destroys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With Superman's speed, it may as well be 1 on 1. In the first nanosecond, he takes out combatant #1. Nanosecond 2, he takes out #2 etc.

The best chance any of them is maybe DS on team DC, but after his fight with Superman takes place in miliseconds (Constantine for example still has human reactions), then he goes after the others.

In theory yes, but this is in-character, no theoretical bullshit.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
In theory yes, but this is in-character, no theoretical bullshit.

Theoretical?

Carver literally posted what happens when Superman got serious - Superman uses his speed, avoids DS', well, stroke (twice), flies around him, and has him by the neck, choking him until WW tells him to stop:
https://ibb.co/21CFDcrP

This is in character. And this is DS amped up to Superman's level. And DS even comments on how fast Superman is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Theoretical?

Carver literally posted what happens when Superman got serious - Superman uses his speed, avoids DS', well, stroke (twice), flies around him, and has him by the neck, choking him until WW tells him to stop:
https://ibb.co/21CFDcrP

This is in character. And this is DS amped up to Superman's level. And DS even comments on how fast Superman is.

That fight being as long as it was against just ONE of the opponents proves team 1 stomps. Slade showed he can hang with Supes. Super was pissed during the onset of the battle. Add in the rest of Slade teammates and its a massacre.

Originally posted by carver9
That fight being as long as it was against just ONE of the opponents proves team 1 stomps. Slade showed he can hang with Supes. Super was pissed during the onset of the battle. Add in the rest of Slade teammates and its a massacre.

The sword amped Deathstroke to Superman's level, the rest would be frozen as statues whist DS is fighting Superman.

DS, who isn't on Team 1.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The sword amped Deathstroke to Superman's level, the rest would be frozen as statues whist DS is fighting Superman.

DS, who isn't on Team 1.

Where was it said he was amped to Superman levels? Nothing stated that. Also, I posted that because Magik who is FTL, Gorgon who possess super speed, etc... would still dog walk that version of Deathstroke. Im guessing this character who cut Superman was amped to Superman levels?

https://i.ibb.co/ZD2h9C5/Screenshot-20250702-105320-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/b5nQVKyj/Screenshot-20250702-105330-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/sdNNJjhS/Screenshot-20250702-105341-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/FfynrQz/Screenshot-20250702-105353-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/8LDzvtnc/Screenshot-20250702-105404-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/nsDP9HLm/Screenshot-20250702-105414-Samsung-Internet.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/dsFKBm1d/Screenshot-20250702-105425-Samsung-Internet.jpg

I know you're tired of seeing New 52 Superman. Let's use today's Superman vs Deathstroke who isnt physically amped. Deathstroke on multiple occasions outreacts super speed Superman. Not only that, he hurts him as well with an elbow. Add the rest of the squad to this fight... 😒


https://i.ibb.co/jkX5Pvcn/superman-vs-deathstroke-rebirth-4.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/35t9Vr4Z/superman-vs-deathstroke-rebirth-5.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JwJWMqs4/superman-vs-deathstroke-rebirth-6.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it said he was amped to Superman levels? Nothing stated that. Also, I posted that because Magik who is FTL, Gorgon who possess super speed, etc... would still dog walk that version of Deathstroke. Im guessing this character who cut Superman was amped to Superman levels?

Maybe if that alien was in this thread. But he's not - stay on topic, please, as OP has asked. However, the guy who IS in this thread, DS, couldn't cut him. But maybe you need to re-read your own scans, my guy:

https://i.postimg.cc/DZcSNwvS/RCO015-1466116941.jpg

Literally says the sword is amping him up. But wait! You are right; it isn't amping him to Superman's levels.....it's DOUBLING the attack:
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn8yKkLw/RCO015-14661169412.jpg

Lol DS was amped up to 2x what Superman was dishing out at him, DS literally states he needs to make this quick because he had no time to waste.....

And it ends with Superman choking him out and WW telling Superman to stop, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Maybe if that alien was in this thread. But he's not - stay on topic, please, as OP has asked. However, the guy who IS in this thread, DS, couldn't cut him. But maybe you need to re-read your own scans, my guy:

https://i.postimg.cc/DZcSNwvS/RCO015-1466116941.jpg

Literally says the sword is amping him up. But wait! You are right; it isn't amping him to Superman's levels.....it's DOUBLING the attack:
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn8yKkLw/RCO015-14661169412.jpg

Lol DS was amped up to 2x what Superman was dishing out at him, DS literally states he needs to make this quick because he had no time to waste.....

And it ends with Superman choking him out and WW telling Superman to stop, lol.

It didn't make him Superman levels. Also, Slade during the onset of the fight before he was hit by anything blocked a blitz from Superman and then gained the first hit. Slade also thought he could win. Was that shown to be true?

Originally posted by carver9
It didn't make him Superman levels. Also, Slade during the onset of the fight before he was hit by anything blocked a blitz from Superman and then gained the first hit. Slade also thought he could win. Was that shown to be true?

Yes, because the sword matches whatever is thrown at it, and doubles it. So yeah, Superman trying to blitz him would......be blocked.

Does your brain just roll around in your head like a smooth marble?

Slade didn't think he could win. He said MAYBE he could win. Don't skip over every word, lol, read them all.

Me saying maybe I can win a fight against Tyson =/= me saying I can win. See the difference?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, because the sword matches whatever is thrown at it, and doubles it. So yeah, Superman trying to blitz him would......be blocked.

Does your brain just roll around in your head like a smooth marble?

Slade didn't think he could win. He said MAYBE he could win. Don't skip over every word, lol, read them all.

Me saying maybe I can win a fight against Tyson =/= me saying I can win. See the difference?

How can you be faster than someone that's double your speed? Everything Dlade said was hyperbole. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by carver9
How can you be faster than someone that's double your speed? Everything Dlade said was hyperbole. Nothing more, nothing less.

Because Superman holds back? Read your own scans, my guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/02k1qdvW/RCO016-1466116941.jpg

The initial blitz, DS took, then Superman went in harder than before. Then when Superman at the end went in faster it was too much for the Godkiller sword, and Slade was unable to react to it. Simple.

And are you suggesting it DOESN'T amp him, despite the words and despite the feats shown? Are you saying that unamped base Deathstroke is durable enough to take getting pinballed around the island by WW (with GoW amp), fast enough to react to blitzes from Superman, and strong enough to draw blood from Superman?

Deathstroke?

IF yes, I am very happy. Let's see what you say,

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Superman holds back? Read your own scans, my guy:
https://i.postimg.cc/02k1qdvW/RCO016-1466116941.jpg

The initial blitz, DS took, then Superman went in harder than before. Then when Superman at the end went in faster it was too much for the Godkiller sword, and Slade was unable to react to it. Simple.

And are you suggesting it DOESN'T amp him, despite the words and despite the feats shown? Are you saying that unamped base Deathstroke is durable enough to take getting pinballed around the island by WW (with GoW amp), fast enough to react to blitzes from Superman, and strong enough to draw blood from Superman?

Deathstroke?

IF yes, I am very happy. Let's see what you say,

So it didnt double Deathstroke speed to match Supermans speed?

Oh, it does amp him. Thats pretty obvious. Just not enough to say he's far above his teammates or above them at all. Especially considering a non-amped DS temp dropped Superman with a couple of hits.

Originally posted by carver9
So it didnt double Deathstroke speed to match Supermans speed?

Oh, it does amp him. Thats pretty obvious. Just not enough to say he's far above his teammates or above them at all. Especially considering a non-amped DS temp dropped Superman with a couple of hits.

It......did. READ YOUR OWN SCANS lmao.

FFS, do you just have limp wilted cabbage leaves where your brain should be?

Also, lol at your weird scaling. So non amped DS can temp drop Superman (lol). Now DS is amped.

And he's not above, say, Batman? Constantine? Katana? Lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It......did. READ YOUR OWN SCANS lmao.

FFS, do you just have limp wilted cabbage leaves where your brain should be?

Also, lol at your weird scaling. So non amped DS can temp drop Superman (lol). Now DS is amped.

And he's not above, say, Batman? Constantine? Katana? Lmao.

It couldn't have because Superman blitzed him at the end. Someone who's speed is double the other should NOT be capable of being too fast for the person who's faster. 1+1=2.

Non amped DS DID temp drop Superman. Its right there on panel. Don't debate me on this. Reach out to the writer who wrote that. He's not above everyone on his team.

Because of dynamic power levels, Carv. Superman went in for the blitz, got tagged, went in harder (as per the text), then went in even faster when he was tired of playing around, and was then too fast.

So you're saying base DS is able to temp drop Superman (lol), but then after he's amped as he is in this thread, is still not above Batman? Above Katana, Constantine?

Lmao just how highly do you wank Batman???? Do you honestly not understand the implications of your own words????

🤣🤣🤣

Lol I can break it down even more for you, seeing as your brain is basically a ball bearing.

Base DS can temp drop Superman (n52, I believe, so the most powerful Superman as per you). Your words.

DS gets an amp from the Godkiller sword (you agree with this). So this DS

In this thread, as per you, even when amped up, this DS is still not even above Constantine or Katana or Batman, lmao. So.....Batman > amped DS > base DS who can temp drop the most powerful Superman incarnation?

And they say DC wank Batman...... nothing compared to the idiocy you vomit forth lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I can break it down even more for you, seeing as your brain is basically a ball bearing.

Base DS can temp drop Superman (n52, I believe, so the most powerful Superman as per you). Your words.

DS gets an amp from the Godkiller sword (you agree with this). So this DS

In this thread, as per you, even when amped up, this DS is still not even above Constantine or Katana or Batman, lmao. So.....Batman > amped DS > base DS who can temp drop the most powerful Superman incarnation?

And they say DC wank Batman...... nothing compared to the idiocy you vomit forth lol.

He didn't drop New 52 Superrman, lol. Iirc The fight where DS had the sword is New 52 and the second fight is Rebirth.

Constantine wrecks this version of DS (with the magical sword). Batman has better showings against Superman than DS witb the sword.

All im saying is, there are people on the team that would beat DS with the sword.

All I know is the Ebony Blade would do very bad things to Superman if it connects. Don't know enough about the other swords to comment.

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't drop New 52 Superrman, lol. Iirc The fight where DS had the sword is New 52 and the second fight is Rebirth.

Constantine wrecks this version of DS (with the magical sword). Batman has better showings against Superman than DS witb the sword.

All im saying is, there are people on the team that would beat DS with the sword.

Are you talking about when he had the Ikon suit? When Superman was holding back? And then DS used his own strength against Superman? OK.

Lmao you think Constantine is skilled and fast enough with the blade to take down DS? Prove it with showings of Constantine swordfighting. Prove it with Batman swordfighting.