Real lightsaber, I made one

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Lightsaber
Hello all,

I actually made a smaller scale lightsaber that works. Has anyone else done this here. the heat of it is about 3000 degrees. It is neat. I want to post video or pics, I hope to , but I only have a mac and my picture device works on a PC. I showed to some people at a comic convention this summer, they were amazed. i am trying to make a fullscale one. The internal device is giving me problems.

[email protected]

Darth Avis
that is bull. how does it work then?

Sorgo
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Hello all,

I actually made a smaller scale lightsaber that works. Has anyone else done this here. the heat of it is about 3000 degrees. It is neat. I want to post video or pics, I hope to , but I only have a mac and my picture device works on a PC. I showed to some people at a comic convention this summer, they were amazed. i am trying to make a fullscale one. The internal device is giving me problems.

[email protected]


Do you know how many times this site encounters your kind of smelly bullshit?

I lost count.

Tangible God
I've counted about 6 times since I joined.

The Ones
a noob claiming to have made a lightsaber. oh we have to believe him roll eyes (sarcastic)

Lord Caltor
why are you guys so harsh.... obviously it isnt a REAL lightsaber that is different colours and doesnt affect your hand at all when you put your hand near it.... and if he did make one you cant fight with them since they would go through eachother

dont give him a hard time, he probably worked hard to make it...

Darth Avis
what did you say? couldnt understand that.

Tru_Slice
He's freakn' Canadian!

He's got nothing to do but eat beefcake and talk about "real" lightsabers.

Someone like him would actually be bored enough to make one.

Gryn Jabar
What the hell is wrong with you people, why not debunk his theories instead of ad hominen attacks?

Sorgo
Originally posted by Tru_Slice
He's freakn' Canadian!

He's got nothing to do but eat beefcake and talk about "real" lightsabers.

Someone like him would actually be bored enough to make one.

Watch it, Yankee. I happen to be Canadian as well.

Tru_Slice
Nothing in particualr AGAINST Canadians...just him.

You can insult America if u want...i don't really like this country...with the gas prices and all.

Darth Avis
hey in NJ its only $2.87 where are you?

Tru_Slice
Florida.

$3.17 per gallon

Tru_Slice
You're lucky, Sorgo.

You guys got the Alaskan pipeline and the oil just keeps comin'.

I got freakn' Hurricane Katrina and Rita running around down here.

Deus Ex
And Cubans.

Is this another fake lightsaber thread? I see more of these than I do African magistrates wanting me to claim dead relatives' money.

simonccccc
sheesh honestly

Tru_Slice
Not as much as the Guatemalans waiting to be picked up on the streets to do marginal physical labor. At least where I live.

Deus Ex
Look guys! i made a lightsaber!

Darth Avis
LMAO

Ka-Wanza
I have A Lightsaber..... yeh a toy one, its basicly impossible to have a real one unlesss....... shifty

Darth_Glentract
I make toy lightsabers all the time. Its not to hard really. But real, well, the gov. would kill him and take the design in a moments notice.

Hey, in Tru_Slice, just think about the poor Norwegians paying over 7 bucks a gallon.

Lightsaber
Hello all,

I did make one, though it cannot cut through things like a lazer can. Just wait until I get the vidoe clip on or pics. Then you'll be amazed.

My system works with gas no lazers.

A real lazer lightsaber could theoretically be made however. You have a rod, or blade that acends up out of the base handle and on top of it you have point with multiple mirrors on the inside that would reflect the lazer beam back down and up again in a continuos pattern. This would stop the beam from going off into space and it would rebound it back and forth continuously. The only problem, is that the technology needed to create a powerful lazer that can be harnessed in a small hand sword, is not here yet, as far as I know. you would have to connect the sword to a large lazer and then it would not be portable. It would have to be a powerful lazer.

Anyways I am still trying to get the mpeg file off my multi device so i can put it on this site for you guys. I just thought many here would appreciate making an actual lightsaber.

Bye for now, you are going to be surprised.

Lightsaber
Does this forum take pics that are not mpeg files, I think the format that I have is ASP, or ASF?

overlord
Star Wars is real. thumb up

Orestes
Lightsaber? That's nothing. I made a starship! Check it out:

Orestes
You can just barely see them, but that's Todd and Jenny there alongside me in the TIE fighters they made. We went out cruising the galaxy just last night, in fact, but this picture's actually from a week ago.

overlord
OMG!WTF! GIVE ME THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION FOR MAKING THE BEAM, Lightsaber seniore!!! I WANT TO MAKE IT TOO!!!

Lightsaber
heres a neat thing guys, it is a picture of a guy shooting a laser into the sky. A real laser.

type in at the top address of your page after the http colin double slash things

then type in webpages.

then type in charter.net

then type in /kegbot/

then type in images/

then type in Fog_n_laser1

then type in .jpg

then you should be able to get there

overlord
what a surprise its nothing!

So were are the technical aspects of the beam?

Lightsaber
Overlord,

I will tell you how I made it, but first I want to try and get the files off my multi device and get them to my Mac computer. I have to find a PC computer first. I will tell how i made it, hang on. I am not making this up.

Spelljammer
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Hello all,

I actually made a smaller scale lightsaber that works. Has anyone else done this here. the heat of it is about 3000 degrees. It is neat. I want to post video or pics, I hope to , but I only have a mac and my picture device works on a PC. I showed to some people at a comic convention this summer, they were amazed. i am trying to make a fullscale one. The internal device is giving me problems.

[email protected]
What kindof energy did you use?

A friend of mine said you could use clean neuro-electric energy, but I only thing it's possible if you were to compress nuclear fusion in a dense setting, however, you would need alot of magnetic force to keep the light of the fusion under gravity to make it reach a peak and not just ignite like a laser, also how'd you be able to compress that much energy into a fixed handle is anybody's guess..

Lightsaber
Overlord,

The web site I gave is not the lightsaber, it is just a neat site I found where a man makes lasers. This one he apparently shot off into a fog night sky

Tangible God
I made a lightsaber once.

But this bastard named George Lucas stole it and used in a movie.

Trickster
What I find the most surprising is that nobody's taken the name "Lightsaber" yet.

When you've told me how to make one... I might consider believing you. Oh, and shown me the video of it cutting something.

Spelljammer
Originally posted by Trickster
What I find the most surprising is that nobody's taken the name "Lightsaber" yet.

When you've told me how to make one... I might consider believing you. Oh, and shown me the video of it cutting something.
I'm prone to find it unbelievable, he said himself "3000degrees". At such a farreinheit even getting near the thing could cause second degree bunrs, he'd have to be wearing special combat gear just to avoid ceartain injury. Besides, if he were devising such weaponry I'm sure we would be hearing about him right now as a terror suspect and the goverment confiscating it..

Tangible God
Originally posted by Spelljammer
I'm prone to find it unbelievable, he said himself "3000degrees". At such a farreinheit even getting near the thing could cause second degree bunrs, he'd have to be wearing special combat gear just to avoid ceartain injury. Besides, if he were devising such weaponry I'm sure we would be hearing about him right now as a terror suspect and the goverment confiscating it.. More than likely, and I doubt anyone with the funding to not only just make the beam, but to actually build a place and suit that will protect him from harm. I've pu my hand over my 800 degree stove and needed to rinse my hand under cold water for hours.

Especially if he lives in a western society, he'd be arrested for conspiracy against the government.

Orestes
Originally posted by Spelljammer
I'm prone to find it unbelievable, he said himself "3000degrees". At such a farreinheit even getting near the thing could cause second degree bunrs, he'd have to be wearing special combat gear just to avoid ceartain injury. Besides, if he were devising such weaponry I'm sure we would be hearing about him right now as a terror suspect and the goverment confiscating it..

Nah. Not unless he also has an oil well in his backyard. wink

But they might hire him. In fact, they probably would.

CobbleR
I think you guys are way too harsh on these kids. Although I do agree that a real lightsaber is near impossible, you should take it easy on these guys. My computer is acting up so I might not be around very much until I get it fixed. I would really like to know what attracts these people here, I mean there are a lot of forums about Star Wars but yet they pick this one to lie about how they built a lightsaber. Maybe someone could explain why because I can't figure it out.

Fishy
I post here, what other reasons could you need?

JaehSkywalker
Originally posted by Tangible God
I made a lightsaber once.

But this bastard named George Lucas stole it and used in a movie.

TOO BAD!
stick out tongue

commander gree
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Hello all,

I actually made a smaller scale lightsaber that works. Has anyone else done this here. the heat of it is about 3000 degrees. It is neat. I want to post video or pics, I hope to , but I only have a mac and my picture device works on a PC. I showed to some people at a comic convention this summer, they were amazed. i am trying to make a fullscale one. The internal device is giving me problems.

[email protected] you builded a light saber? tell me how then (i dont belive you)

El_NINO
sign him up for porn!!!

overlord
Originally posted by CobbleR
I think you guys are way too harsh on these kids. Although I do agree that a real lightsaber is near impossible, you should take it easy on these guys. My computer is acting up so I might not be around very much until I get it fixed. I would really like to know what attracts these people here, I mean there are a lot of forums about Star Wars but yet they pick this one to lie about how they built a lightsaber. Maybe someone could explain why because I can't figure it out.

People who come bragging about slaying dragons and having real lightsabers don't have to be protected. They want the attention, we're giving it.

The Ones
if he manages to give clips of it its probably just done of after effects. i ca do the same thing and say i made it real. its probably realy just a 30 cm cylinder wood on a handle.

Tangible God
My supervisor at work is a SW fan. He build his own plastic handle that looked like real metal, added one of those 3 foot fluorescant lightbulbs in it, painted it neon blue, attached a wire hanging out the end of the handle and turned it on. He then took a picture of it, and on his computer, spruced it up to look like a real lightsaber.

Wow, that must make his lightsaber a REAL one.

Lightsaber
Be patient people. My biggest problem is trying to work out ho to get the video clips on the net, or the pics. I have a mac, and my multi device is for PC..And I use not effects, it is real what I will show.

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Be patient people. My biggest problem is trying to work out ho to get the video clips on the net, or the pics. I have a mac, and my multi device is for PC..And I use not effects, it is real what I will show. Anyone who orders their words like you is telling not the truth.

Tru_Slice
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Be patient people. My biggest problem is trying to work out ho to get the video clips on the net, or the pics. I have a mac, and my multi device is for PC..And I use not effects, it is real what I will show.

You need to master English first before you start making lightsabers sonny.

Tangible God
And he says he's from Canada.

Sesse
lol. You noobs. I command the force. Really! Believe me!

Orestes
Well not to mention that anyone who actually developed such a tool wouldn't be going to the KMC forums to show it off. stick out tongue

overlord
I would immediately go outside of my house and start slaying people!
Then I would get on Oprah with it and then I would announce to the world to bow down before me or perish.

Lightsaber
I'm still here guys,.. I am waiting for the pics to be emailed to me from another Pc computer. I hope i can post the video of it, not just the pics.

Just hang on.

And I am not really announcing anything to the world. I was just looking up on the net to see if anyone had made a lightsaber before and I found this forum.

Talk to you later

By the way you could make a real lightsaber from lasers if you had a blde that could extend quickly from the base of the handle and on the tip of it it had mirrors that reflected the laser back to the base and back up again , over and over to create a beam. But the problem is getting a laser powerful enough to fit into the handle of the lightsaber.

By the way the lightsabers that made wer Anakins and Darth Vaders. But as I told you they are at a smaller scale than the origonal size. hey also do not use laser technology.

Deus Ex
You -do- realize you're the eightieth person to come in here, of all bloody places, advertising "real" lightsabers without any substantial proof. I think you're out to scam people, and this thread should be closed.

Lightsaber
Hello all, here is another idea of how to make a real lightsaber,

Part 1

How a Light Saber Works

A popular explanation
Dick Grune





Unlike what is generally thought, and even sometimes taught, the construction and workings of a light saber are not secret. So, you might wonder, what is keeping a galaxy-wide firm like Jax-Bethal from mass-producing them, so we can all merrily and effortlessly slice off members from our enemies? The answer is simple: the power supply in the handle. Traditional technology could easily make the blade part, but without the multi-Gigawatt Force-operated hand-controlled power supply in the handle it would just be a coil of high-grade glass in a metal-and-ceramic casing.

Which is exactly what it is. The prime component of a light saber blade is a filament of ultra-low-loss glass, about 3 meters long, properly doped, with a perfect mirror at one end and a slightly transparent mirror at the other. The transparent end (called the input end) is connected to a light source in the handle, and if the filament is perfectly straight, it is easy to see that this set-up is a laser, except that you don't notice so because no power emanates from the free end (usually called the noput end) - the mirror there is perfect.

Now imagine that the laser is on and you try to bend it (DON'T try this at home; you'll burn your fingers or worse). Then three things happen, each important in its own right.

First, the filament will try to straighten itself again. Why does it do that? Believe it or not, light falling on a surface exerts pressure on it. An awfully minuscule bit, it is true, but it's there. And a lot of light exerts a tiny bit of pressure, and a huge amount of light exerts a noticeable amount of pressure. And we are talking Gigawatts here. So the filament is just like a garden hose with one end closed off and the other end connected to an open water tap with enough pressure. The force by which it fights back is not at all large, and you could easily win, but it's there.

Second, you'd expect the laser to stop because the light would leak away, but it doesn't. The photons inside the filament bounce off the wall when they hit it, back into the laser, just like light in classical fiber optics. This effect is important to keep the laser going.

The third effect is a little weirder, and has to do with exactly what happens when a photon hits the inner wall of the filament. Above we said it bounces off the wall, but why does it do so? Why doesn't it traverse the wall and fly off into the air, where it can propagate much faster than inside the glass? Now that is exactly the point: the photon is a wave packet, and as soon as part of the wave packet moves outside the glass and into the air, it speeds up with respect to the rest of the wave packet which is still in the glass. So the part outside gets ahead of the part inside, but since they form together one single wave packet they cannot go their separate ways. And depending on the angle at which the photon hits the wall, either the part outside pulls the part inside out into the air (for sharp angles), or the part inside pulls the part outside safely back into the glass (for oblique angles). Exactly what is a sharp angle and what an oblique one, depends on the coefficients of refraction of the glass and the air, but inside our bent filament all angles at which photons can hit walls are guaranteed to be oblique, so all photons are shepherded back into the filament.


This phenomenon is called total reflection and has in fact been known since the middle of the 17-th century. It can easily be observed in many places in more or less daily life: when you look into a glass filled with water standing on a lit table, the inside of the glass reflects like a very good silvery mirror rather than allowing you to look through it; and when you are at the bottom of a swimming pool and look up, the surface of the water straight above you is transparent, but where you look at it at an oblique angle it shimmers like mercury.
So we see that total reflection prevents the curved laser from quitting by keeping the photons inside - but not quite. All the time there are some photons that are just treading outside the filament and being bent back in, so part of them is outside the filament, as shown in the picture above. So the outer rim of the curved laser is surrounded by a microscopically thin layer of light. This effect is very important in making the light saber a formidable weapon.
Now we are getting somewhere. The blade of the light saber at rest consists of several thousands of such filament lasers, all coiled up in loops of about 2.5 cm diameter. Half of them are wound clockwise, half of them counterclockwise, and they are interwoven like the threads in a wick. All input ends are connected to light sources in the handle, all noput ends are just tied in a circle to a ceramic plate, and the whole assembly resides in the top of the handle, covered by the plate, looking innocent.
But as soon as the Jedi activates the power source in the handle, light (lots of it) is pumped into the filaments, and laser action starts in all of them. Since very little energy is lost inside the glass and no energy is lost at the noput end, very high levels of luminosity can quickly be built up. You'll have to think in terms of between ??? and ??? GigaLumens here. As the light intensity increases, the light pressure inside each filament rises, trying to unwind the coil it is lying in. But the mesh they are woven in prevents the coils from just getting straight, so the filaments stretch in the only direction they can go, sideways. This makes the coils emerge like a wick out of the handle, and as we all know the blade of the saber extends to its full length of about 80 cm in roughly half a second.


end of part 1

Lightsaber
Part 2

how a light saber works, continued

So what we see as a column of light is actually a hollow cylinder of thousands of glass filaments, each standing in a spiral, each supported by its internal light pressure and by all the other filaments. But why then do we see it as a shaft of light, if none of the photons leave the filaments due to total reflection? As explained above, although the photons do not permanently leave the lasers, they do step a little bit outside before being reflected back in. Each such photon sticking its nose out creates a small electro-magnetic field, and together (we are talking about roughly 10??? photons here!) they are strong enough to ionize the air around; and the ionized air sends out the light we see. This composite field is called the aura field. Ionizing the air constitutes a small energy loss, but it is negligible compared to the energy stored in the entire blade.

It is the aura field that does the cutting and makes the light saber blade so extremely dangerous. Anything it touches is heated to 1000 to 2000 0C within milliseconds, depending on the properties of the material. And we all know what that can do!

We can now also understand some other properties of the light saber. When it is waved through air, the air passes through the mazes in the filament mesh (the filaments are so thin it's mostly holes), gets ionized when it enters, and de-ionizes when it leaves. This causes the whoosh you hear during fights. Also, the filaments are so thin and so far apart (relatively speaking), that beams from energy weapons hardly affect them and just pass through.

Since the tremendous energy of the blade is not expended until something comes inside the aura field and diverts the photons out of the curved lasers, the blade is not hot in the normal sense of the word. It just emanates the heat of a normal plasma, as in a household variety fluorescence tube. But unlike the latter there is no tube of fluorescent material around it, so it does not count for much as a light source.

It is less known, and indeed sometimes denied, that the "blade" of a light saber is not rigid but fairly flexible and handles like a stiff rubber stick; after all it is mechanically just a wick of glass fibers held up by light pressure. Normally you don't see this because the blade is so light that it follows the movements of the wielder immediately, and, when it hits something, it is so destructive that it has already cut though before it bends. But if you hit for example a stone or a steel wall with it, it will give somewhat and fold to the contours of the object, thus prolonging the time of contact to several hundreds of milliseconds, enough to blow any known substance into oblivion. An additional advantage is that it does not "hit back" in your hands, like a baseball bat may do when you hit something very hard with it.

It is even less known, and has for a long time been kept semi-secret, that the blade of a light saber can relatively easily be compressed length-wise, axially. When that happens, disaster is near: the humongous energy in the blade is compressed into a smaller volume, raising the energy-per-volume ratio. More in particular, if an active saber drops on its tip from a sufficient height, or is otherwise pushed back completely into its hilt, the weapon explodes, taking a considerable chuck of its surrounding with it and creating one of those situations in which absence of body is better than presence of mind. Some safe-guards are in place: 1. under normal operation, the saber switches off as soon as the owner lets go; 2. some sabers have an internal titanium cross-bar system that locks when the blade is fully extended. But my advice: don't count on them.

Little study has been made of the behavior of the blade under water. There is some boiling and splutter, but nothing indicative of the real destructive capacity of the weapon. The prevailing theory is that a thin layer of steam builds up around it immediately, preventing the rest of the water to come into contact, much as the thin layer of aluminum oxide prevents further oxidation of aluminum exposed to air. But further study may prove this theory wrong.

Another property is that a light saber in vacuum is almost invisible, but still works. There is no air to be ionized by the aura field and emit light, but the aura field is there nonetheless and will do its devastating work on whatever comes near enough to it. Needless to say, a light saber in vacuum does not whoosh.

When the light saber is switched off, the lasers stop working, the light pressure disappears and all the filaments curl up again in the handle. All the energy stored in the lasers is reabsorbed in the power cell in the handle, another feat that can be performed by Jedi technology only.

Lightsaber
Here is the site i got this from it has some diagrams,

after you type in at the top the usual http colin double slash then type in

cs.vu.nl/

then

~dick/

then

LightSaber/

then

LightSaber

then

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Darth_Veav
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Originally posted by Deus Ex
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Deus Ex
Well of course.

Darth_Veav
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Well of course.

Is Jawa Order open for new recruits?

Deus Ex
You must prove yourself.

Give us good reasons why we should accept you into the Order.

Veneficus
Originally posted by Darth_Veav
Is Jawa Order open for new recruits?

Oh no! Not another one! eek!

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Lightsaber
Hello all,


DEUS EX,

Be patient, I am still trying to get the pics off my multi device.

The Ones
thats what they all say

Lightsaber
OK, guys and girls, here it is. You must admit when you see it that it is neat. I am working on a large scale one but it is harder.

I could not get the video pics on here, but if you click my e-mail I can send some to you. I have pics of it working and a test.

As far as i know no one has even come close to this that i have seen. it is a start.

[email protected]

Lightsaber
Here is another pic.

By the way to make this, I had to cut, file reform, add pieces and basically take apart the whole thing.

You must admit , it is kind of neat. I have a test I did with it on video also. When anyone hs seen it in real life thay are amazed. it makes a neat noice also.

overlord
What kind of noise does it make? Something like gas coming out perhaps?
So what happens when my hand goes through it?

Tru_Slice
He actually bothered to make a mini-graflex on a blow-torch.
laughing laughing

Sesse
Topic should be: " Real lightsaber, I made none"

Lightsaber
Why is everyone on my case. i thought you would think it was neat. So what if it is a high powered 3500 degree f blow torch that can melt things in a few seconds, and visually looks similar to a lightsaber.


Why the attacks. just say,

neat

Lightsaber
So what if it is a blow torch, it still has extreeem heat. A lightsaber also uses heat. It is a start at least you must admit. If i could get the flame length on a full scale model the length of arc welding torches, which is a few feet or so. It would be real neat. It would also cut through metal etc. that is about the closest anyone here will ever get to a real lightsaber. Unless you have laser technology that can fit the power souce in the handle and that uses reflecting mirrors to bounce the beam back and forth from the handle at high intensity heat.

The Ones
its no where near a lightsaber is its a blowtorch. a lightsaber it a blade that has heat and can cut through anything. a blow torch and only burn and its just a flame.

Lightsaber
But it is closer than anything so far, and it still is hot 3500 degree F hot.

The Ones
you wouldnt be able to stand that much heat. your body will shrivlle up into a little molecule

Lightsaber
Let s admit it guys. If you could get the flame length 3 feet long or so, on a full scale version, it would look just like a lightsaber. Only it would not be nearly as powerful. An arc welding torch is the closest thing that i have seen with such a long flame length, and it cuts through metal etc.

overlord
Why do you think we are attacking you, Lightsaber man? You said you were forty in your little PM so you must figure everybody would be sceptical to a lighter being called a lightsaber.. Honestly we are just laughing at you, not attacking you!

Sesse
+ Whats the use with that thing? Eaven a real lightsaber would get its user into a heap of trouble... Unless we find out how to use the force!

So, meh!

Orestes
Lightsaber, I have a question. And this is meant in all seriousness, not as an attack:

What is the functional difference between what you have there (assuming there's no photo manipulation involved) and a blowtorch or Bunsen burner?

I'm asking seriously here.

commander gree
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Let s admit it guys. If you could get the flame length 3 feet long or so, on a full scale version, it would look just like a lightsaber. Only it would not be nearly as powerful. An arc welding torch is the closest thing that i have seen with such a long flame length, and it cuts through metal etc. okay how the heck could the beam just stop like that then explain

Tru_Slice
A flame couldn't, but a laser could.

The laser comes into a focal point and stops, giving the appearence of a blade, kinda like the way a magnifying glass works.

HOW to do that, nobody knows.

Sorry, blowtorches don't "cut" it.

commander gree
i mean how he did it "lightsaber"that guy i mened not a real lightsaber as in the movies

Tangible God
It looks alot like a plasma cutter that welders used, only the handle's been scaled down.

Lightsaber
Hello all,

By the way there is nothing existing on the earth like this thing I made. It is unique. Show me another lightsaber with a workable flame if you don't agree. The neat part is that is has a casing of the Anakins lightsaber. I also have a Darth Vader one. But it doen's seem to work as well. It was the first prototype.

Tru_Slice
Whatever you would like to call it, it's still a flame. You should call it a flamesaber, not a lightsaber; not even a saber, because you cannot fight with it.

Seriously, how dumb would it be to fight with those?

It would be like seeing people fighting with pilot lights.

Lightsaber
I call it a light dagger, and you wouldn't want to get in a fight with one of these, they are very very hot and burn instantly.

I just think it is a neat thing and I don't want to fight with it. But imaging a full scale one of these.

i hope to post some pics of the flame test soon

Tru_Slice
Make a portable one. Just for kicks.

Admiral Akbar
I agree with all of you, but I suggest you cut him some slack, I would like to see any of you make something similar and post it. You cant? Thought so..

Sesse
I might as well buy myself a bb-gun.

Buy some metal bb-ammo and put them into a fireplace for 5 hours. After that, I would load the hot things in the gun and fire em. Then I would call the thing a "blaster".

"It burns when hit, it is fired with a gun and those things glow red when they fly! eek! "

Admiral Akbar
I dont think you could handle something that complicated. laughing

Tru_Slice
The point is that we don't want to make something that complicated.

We buy em' on Ebay. thumb up yes

Tangible God
The reason we don't make anything similar is, lack if money, lack of a workstation, lack of a desire to waste our lives building something that will not serve anybody's needs.

Darth Faunus
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Lightsaber
You can never buy this on ebay. This lightdagger is a one of a kind unique thing.
I don't thinbk I woud sell it for $1000 even. It was so hard to make. When I make the full scale one I wouldn't sell it either. Unless I am desperate for cash I suppose.

jollyjim311
sounds impressive...300 degrees...wow..... if your hand was burnt to a crisp and the melting point of steel wasn't 2500 degrees i would belive you, really i would.

DeVi| D0do
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Hello all,

By the way there is nothing existing on the earth like this thing I made. It is unique. Show me another lightsaber with a workable flame if you don't agree. The neat part is that is has a casing of the Anakins lightsaber. I also have a Darth Vader one. But it doen's seem to work as well. It was the first prototype.
You, sir, are a f*cking moron.

Alkaselzer
It's a blowtorch. Amazing.

You made a hilt, not an actual lightsaber, and it's really small. Thanks.

jollyjim311
you insult everyone, lightsaber, and we dislike you for it. you must be the idiot to think that we are stupid enough to belive you. but, then again, if i ever pick up smoking, i'll give you a call. you made a freakin lighter!

spekdah
Originally posted by jollyjim311
you insult everyone, lightsaber, and we dislike you for it. you must be the idiot to think that we are stupid enough to belive you. but, then again, if i ever pick up smoking, i'll give you a call. you made a freakin lighter!



Thats what I was thinking!! I reckon it would be awesome as a lighter, or a fire starter of some sort. How long does the flame last??

Aside from all the abuse I think its cool you have had a bit of fun playin around with the idea, I agree though that it is still just a flame, but no-the-less you could market it as a cool looking lighter, well done.

Lightsaber
Thanks, at least someone admits its cool.

It can last for quite a while. it just keeps burning on and on.

Lightsaber
spekda,


actually it is not a lighter. It makes a hissing sound from the force of the gas flame that propells out. It is like a blow torch with that kind of power.

Lightsaber
jollyjim311, it is 3100 f actually I was mistaken, that is "F" not "Celcious". show me anything even remotely closer to a actaul lightsaber that can burn things. Principally, a lightsaber has extreem heat, and what i made has great heat also. Just not as much. So really it is a lightdagger, or a real lightsaber. Only it is not nearly powerful enough. There are also gas lasers also. My lightsaber works with gas but not lasers.

DeVi| D0do
Please, just stop... you're only making things worse.

Tru_Slice
This thing:

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
jollyjim311, it is 3100 f actually I was mistaken, that is "F" not "Celcious". show me anything even remotely closer to a actaul lightsaber that can burn things. Principally, a lightsaber has extreem heat, and what i made has great heat also. Just not as much. So really it is a lightdagger, or a real lightsaber. Only it is not nearly powerful enough. There are also gas lasers also. My lightsaber works with gas but not lasers. All you made was a miniature blowtorch, that's it. Nothing else, not a lightsaber, not a lightdagger, a small blowtorch. You have wasted time and money and you have insulted your own intelligence by coming on this site to brag about it. Get a life.

Deus Ex
Uh, I hate to break this to you, but if you look at how a lightsaber reacts when cutting a blast door (As in TPM) it doesn't melt the door because it's hot; it melts it because it is full of excited energy. In short, same reason why the jedi and the sith don't have to wear insolated gloves to wield it. A lightsaber gives off no real heat and not much light. It's simply energy.

So your blowtorch, made with the same minireplica saber hilts they have at my local book store, doesn't come close.

Illustrious
Yeah, if it emitted heat to destroy stuff, it would melt right through the hilt.

Veneficus
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Uh, I hate to break this to you, but if you look at how a lightsaber reacts when cutting a blast door (As in TPM) it doesn't melt the door because it's hot; it melts it because it is full of excited energy. In short, same reason why the jedi and the sith don't have to wear insolated gloves to wield it. A lightsaber gives off no real heat and not much light. It's simply energy.

So your blowtorch, made with the same minireplica saber hilts they have at my local book store, doesn't come close.

Pwnage...

Deus Ex
Yep.

Lightsaber
Hey guys, here is a comment I recently got from a person that I showed the lightsaber I made to,

They saw the pics and video clips, this is what they wrote back to me,

"that...is...really, really, cool!
I dont suppose there is anyway i could by one off you?
Anyway, please give me some information on how you made that...and what does it run off.
That is sweet.

Thanks,
James"

I was hoping to find some more kindred spirits in here.

Lightsaber
Some one posted that the lightsaber uses an energy not heat. How do they know, there exist no such thing. But even if it was energy that burns things . What do you think fire is, and what is fire made of?

I am waiting for your proof and scientific superiority to find a way of dominating over my understanding.

If you can't prove that they used energy , instead of some kind of laser heat etc, then what are you talking about?

Lightsaber
Here is a interesting thing to consider,

"So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." (Genesis 3:24).

A flaming sword in the bible, hmmmm?

Lightsaber
Someone said that what i made was not a light dagger or sword etc. but it is, it has a bright light and it is small like a dagger. It is as close as anyone here is ever going to come to seeing a real workable lightsaber. So what if it is like a blow torch. A blow torch, (especially the long flamed arc welding torch) is very similar in appearance to a lightsaber. i wonder if they patterned the lightsabers beam after a arc welding torch?

Any way here is another pic in case some did not see my light dagger that I made

Orestes
Wow ... alrighty then.

First off, why not sell your blowtorch-saber to this James character? Maybe find more like him?

Second, your comments about energy were a little difficult to translate, but even after having done so, I'm unclear on your point. You seem to be basically pointing out that nobody knows of a way to generate that much energy without significant heat radiation and challenging someone to prove otherwise, but what you seem to be forgetting is that nobody else ever actually claimed to be ABLE to do it in the first place ... except for you. Yes, YOU are the only person here who ever claimed to be able to get around the myriad problems with lightsaber creation and actually make one. The rest of us are aware that it's just a movie. wink

The bit about the flaming sword and the Bible isn't news, either. I've read some rather detailed philosophical explorations of Star Wars (positive and negative) for which that point was a mere footnote. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Anyway ...

Where you went wrong was in coming in here and declaring that you'd made an actual LIGHTSABER. Had you instead (accurately) claimed to have made a cute little blowtorch made to resemble a lightsaber, I imagine the overall reaction would have been much different. I know that I, at least, would have reacted much differently.

Like Tangible God said, what you have there is a blowtorch. Admittedly, it's a somewhat whimsical blowtorch. There might even be a market for it! But it. Is. A. Blowtorch. Not a lightsaber.

I can make a pretty snazzy paper airplane if I try, but that doesn't mean that what I've created is a fighter jet.

overlord
Wow! This is so neat!! But hey! What if your lightdagger touched another lightdagger beam?!

They would just go through one another! So calling it a saber or even a dagger is stupid, it will never cut! Not even through paper, it will only burn, your fire will never be anything near solid.
It will always be a lighter so please don't call it a dagger anymore as it is just plain idiocy. Sorry.

jollyjim311
Originally posted by Lightsaber
jollyjim311, it is 3100 f actually I was mistaken, that is "F" not "Celcious". show me anything even remotely closer to a actaul lightsaber that can burn things. Principally, a lightsaber has extreem heat, and what i made has great heat also. Just not as much. So really it is a lightdagger, or a real lightsaber. Only it is not nearly powerful enough. There are also gas lasers also. My lightsaber works with gas but not lasers.

I meant to say 3000 and that temperature is in degrees F. It would melt the metal if it was actually that hot. You can't even lie right.

jollyjim311
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Hello all,

I actually made a smaller scale lightsaber that works. Has anyone else done this here. the heat of it is about 3000 degrees. It is neat. I want to post video or pics, I hope to , but I only have a mac and my picture device works on a PC. I showed to some people at a comic convention this summer, they were amazed. i am trying to make a fullscale one. The internal device is giving me problems.

[email protected] http://www.wildbillswestern.com/images/gifts/bsbag.jpg

Admiral Akbar
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Some one posted that the lightsaber uses an energy not heat. How do they know, there exist no such thing. But even if it was energy that burns things . What do you think fire is, and what is fire made of?

I am waiting for your proof and scientific superiority to find a way of dominating over my understanding.

If you can't prove that they used energy , instead of some kind of laser heat etc, then what are you talking about?

Nice comeback

jollyjim311
in reference to my last post, get one, you need it.

Admiral Akbar
Me?

jollyjim311
no the one with the mini "saber" (note that it is literal and an uphamism, haha)

Lightsaber
Jollyjim311,

well I am looking at the internal device pckaging that I bought. It says 1700 degrees C and 3100 F.

You figure it out, that is what the producers of the torch said.

Lightsaber
Sorry for the typos, I type too fast, and I need to check my post when I do.

Deus Ex
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Some one posted that the lightsaber uses an energy not heat. How do they know, there exist no such thing. But even if it was energy that burns things . What do you think fire is, and what is fire made of?

I am waiting for your proof and scientific superiority to find a way of dominating over my understanding.

If you can't prove that they used energy , instead of some kind of laser heat etc, then what are you talking about?

Well, first off, if the lightsabers used in the movies used heat, even theoretically there would be things on melted left and right. For one thing, the properties of light-energy and a blowtorch are radically different. A blow torch isn't gonna reach from here to the Sun in nine minutes or so. A blow torch doesn't have the apparent solid feel of the lightsaber blade. A blow torch also apparently has a blue flame on it, as shown in your pictures. This A) doesn't operate on the same principles as a lightsaber, as shown in the movie and shown also in scientific (Read: not made in your basement) type experiments to replicate the very same weapon, B) doesn't have any practical use, and C) should be marketed to morons and fools.

You got bad feedback on this thread because you're the third or fourth person this month coming in here saying "omfg l00k! It's a lightzabur!" and then showing us a deliberate fake or something so far off base the thread title and indeed, your title is misleading. The only reason you came here to show this off is either you're trying to peddle it (In which case you are slime) or you're seriously some twelve year old kid. Any adult who even thought he had a real lightsaber would run off and patent it and then collaborate with an agent to begin marketing the product. Making a thread in a Star Wars Expanded Universe and Literature forum means you're probably trying to pull a fast one, and you should be banned and this topic closed.

Got that? Good.

Look, guys! A lightzabur!

Lightsaber
To all,

When I said it was a real lightsaber, I thought about it and said to myself, perhaps I should have called it something else, like a dagger etc. Or not even compared it to a lightsaber.

But I have since considered what I made and it is actually a light dagger. For a light dagger is just that, a dagger made out of light. This light does burn so its blade does not cut like a knife, but neither does a lightsaber use a metal blade for cutting. To those who got all hung up on energy thing etc and said my saber was not a energy, plasma, laser etc. Well, it is made of energy, that is what is produced in gas flame. However it is not as powerful as the fictional lightsabers. Principally though it is very close.

So, it looks like a light saber, it has the same casing, and the beam is very similar to a light saber. So I call it a light saber, (though it is a scaled version), so I call it a light dagger. That is exactly what it is. And just as anyone can argue that a ightsaber is not made out of fire or a flame etc. I could say, yes it is, and the flame is so hot, the technology they had in Star Wars times was so advanced that the heat of the beam was up to thousands more degrees than mine, but was encased in some type of magnetic plasma field, that only allowed the field to open up when an object touched it, then the extreme heat vapourized it. If that was the case then , what I made is a very weak low energy form of a actual lightsaber, in theory.



Here it is again for those who come into this page and have not seen what I made.

Lightsaber
Deux ES,


You are in great error all over the place,

You said, "Well, first off, if the lightsabers used in the movies used heat, even theoretically there would be things on melted left and right."

I already said in my last post, they could have technology which allowed them to encase the heat in a plasma type field of some sort. You know that all your theorizing is just that, total guess work. So I could also guess at how it was made, an dI could say it was a extreem heat generated somehow, and then my lightdagger was exactly like it only on a weaker scale. When we talk fiction from movies we can make up anything.

You also, said, "You got bad feedback on this thread because you're the third or fourth person this month coming in here saying "omfg l00k! It's a lightzabur!" and then showing us a deliberate fake or something so far off base the thread title and indeed, your title is misleading."

As I already said, I am not showing a fake, It is real, it has a exact look of a lightsaber on the outside, and a beam that extends out of the base, the beam is very hot and burns instantly. So what are you talking about? I do believe I could have said it was a light dagger. But I patterned it on a small scale after a lightsaber. I hope to make a full scal e version. I also have a lightsaber that you show in your pic. Only I have an Anakin one.

You said. "The only reason you came here to show this off is either you're trying to peddle it (In which case you are slime) or you're seriously some twelve year old kid. "

Wrong again, sir. I am not trying to peddle it, I already said I wouldn't sell it for $1000 dollars. And I am in my 40's not a twelve year old kid. So who is the lyer here? Youa ccuse me falsely and should be banned for it. But I would never ban you.

Lightsaber
Like I said, I can also make up some fiction as to how the Lightsabers in the film were made and i can say they are exactly as the one I made only much , much more powerful with a plasma field protecting the user and the field only breaks when touching another object.

So all arguments against me are proven false. I did make a real lightsaber, from my interpretation of the fiction lightsaber in the film.

I know that won't silence some but it is a start.

Sesse
If youre 40, then I can pretty much imagine how you look like...

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jedi.akatemia/KARS%20AU.bmp


Looks familiar?'


Edit: Oh, and the fact that you spend so much energy in attempt to create something as childish as a lightsaber tells much about you. Please, type more in here. For everything you type can and will be used to judge you.

edit2: Oh, and by the way. Why are you here bragging about your "invention". Are you seeking approval and attention. Attention you already got....

Lightsaber
Sesse,

Is it wrong now for a older person to like inventing things, and to like Star wars, I grew up on these films.

I did make a real lightsaber, in a scaled version. You know that you cannot prove me wrong. I admit that it is not as powerul as the fictional ones. But i could make up a theory as to how the movies ones worked and make it fit right in line with my gas laser. So you could say that it is an actual lightsaber. So when you or anyone else says its not a real one, prove it, show me a real one and then we can talk. Otherwise all your theories as to how the light flame in the move would be produced are just ramblings of those would would never invent anything or even try.

As far as me spending time doing inventions like this. i find it facinating to invent things. I have made other neat things also, but you are not going to see them.

As far as seeking atention, I do not, I merely came on here to show a neat thing I made in hopes to excite the imaginations of some here. I know how I would have felt when I was younger, if a person showed me such a device. I got this reply from someone recently. THis is what I was looking for and hoping to excit. I don't seek attention:

He wrote to me after seeing the video and pics

that...is...really, really, cool!
I dont suppose there is anyway i could by one off you?
Anyway, please give me some information on how you made that...and what does it run off.
That is sweet.

Thanks,
James

DeVi| D0do
Blowtorch! You made a blowtorch! Holy mutherflunking hell!!!

no expression

Sesse

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Someone said that what i made was not a light dagger or sword etc. but it is, it has a bright light and it is small like a dagger. It is as close as anyone here is ever going to come to seeing a real workable lightsaber. So what if it is like a blow torch. A blow torch, (especially the long flamed arc welding torch) is very similar in appearance to a lightsaber. i wonder if they patterned the lightsabers beam after a arc welding torch?

Any way here is another pic in case some did not see my light dagger that I made Dude, you prove to us that it is more than just a blue flame, then I MIGHT consider praising you.

Orestes
Holy Christ, he just repeated the same crap all over again. Jesus. Okay, my final word on this travesty:

Lightsaber
You know what i realized, even if someone did come i here ad make a laser lightsaber, they would still ere some say.

Who cares!

well some people like sci fi and fantasy and new inventions. Some are so deadened by the reality they live in and the dry uninspired bordom of their own lives that they don't see possibilities in inventing and new things.

overlord
Hello all

It is I Overlord again, I have just build my own lighter wich is superior to lightsaber lightsaber, it is now long enough to be called a lightsaber, although it is just fire, it looks like a blade, smells like a blade and even feels.. Ermm.. walks like a blade! Therefor it must be a real dagger!
You will probably all be sceptical about my extraordinary invention but admit it is neat or pay the conseqentions of constantly be bothered by my retarded explanations, I will not stop PMing you untill you admit it is neat.
My random internet pal James even said!

"WOWZERS!! Oh mie giod what the fuk!!!!11 This is incrodibol!
You must tell me how you made it and can I buy it????? Tres killer cool to raging max dude!!
Thgis is superduper extrenious NEAT!!!!!!!!!!

You pal SuperShadow!"

I will now show you my invention and I am 40 years old so stfu.

(btw: this is not a spoof nor a joke, this is dead serious, I really surpassed mr lightsaber! Oh yeah and stop PM'ing me LIGHTSABER!!)

Otaku
Originally posted by overlord
Hello all

It is I Overlord again, I have just build my own lighter wich is superior to lightsaber lightsaber, it is now long enough to be called a lightsaber, although it is just fire, it looks like a blade, smells like a blade and even feels.. Ermm.. walks like a blade! Therefor it must be a real dagger!
You will probably all be sceptical about my extraordinary invention but admit it is neat or pay the conseqentions of constantly be bothered by my retarded explanations, I will not stop PMing you untill you admit it is neat.
My random internet pal James even said!

"WOWZERS!! Oh mie giod what the fuk!!!!11 This is incrodibol!
You must tell me how you made it and can I buy it????? Tres killer cool to raging max dude!!
Thgis is superduper extrenious NEAT!!!!!!!!!!

You pal SuperShadow!"

I will now show you my invention and I am 40 years old so stfu.

(btw: this is not a spoof nor a joke, this is dead serious, I really surpassed mr lightsaber! Oh yeah and stop PM'ing me LIGHTSABER!!)

laughing out loud

Lord-Nihilus
he made a fecking blow torch big grin

HA HA HA ah ah aha ha ha ha a ha ha h ah ah ah ahaha ahaha haah ah

Tangible God
Originally posted by overlord
Hello all

It is I Overlord again, I have just build my own lighter wich is superior to lightsaber lightsaber, it is now long enough to be called a lightsaber, although it is just fire, it looks like a blade, smells like a blade and even feels.. Ermm.. walks like a blade! Therefor it must be a real dagger!
You will probably all be sceptical about my extraordinary invention but admit it is neat or pay the conseqentions of constantly be bothered by my retarded explanations, I will not stop PMing you untill you admit it is neat.
My random internet pal James even said!

"WOWZERS!! Oh mie giod what the fuk!!!!11 This is incrodibol!
You must tell me how you made it and can I buy it????? Tres killer cool to raging max dude!!
Thgis is superduper extrenious NEAT!!!!!!!!!!

You pal SuperShadow!"

I will now show you my invention and I am 40 years old so stfu.

(btw: this is not a spoof nor a joke, this is dead serious, I really surpassed mr lightsaber! Oh yeah and stop PM'ing me LIGHTSABER!!) LMAO

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
You know what i realized, even if someone did come i here ad make a laser lightsaber, they would still ere some say.

Who cares!

well some people like sci fi and fantasy and new inventions. Some are so deadened by the reality they live in and the dry uninspired bordom of their own lives that they don't see possibilities in inventing and new things. Buddy, if you would just admit that you did not create or invent anything of any worth, we would lay off you.

Tru_Slice
The only thing of real value here is the mini-graflex on the end of the torch. Took some time to make that.

Or did you use your shrinko-ray to do that?

Lightsaber
Anyway, wait till you see the full scale one, the flame is much much thicker and longer.

I wonder if there is really any one here that like Star wars here?

Is there any here who have lost their sense of wonder and possibilities.

Doesn't anyone think it is neat to have a lightsaber that looks just like a real one, even though it is not as large or as powerful. The visual effect is marvelous. I have shown it in operation to people, they often are amazed. When you see it actually working, it is different . Just imageing a full scale one with a flame length of about 2 to 3 feet. If i could make a arc welding torch it would even cut through metal.

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
Anyway, wait till you see the full scale one, the flame is much much thicker and longer.

I wonder if there is really any one here that like Star wars here?

Is there any here who have lost their sense of wonder and possibilities.

Doesn't anyone think it is neat to have a lightsaber that looks just like a real one, even though it is not as large or as powerful. The visual effect is marvelous. I have shown it in operation to people, they often are amazed. When you see it actually working, it is different . Just imageing a full scale one with a flame length of about 2 to 3 feet. If i could make a arc welding torch it would even cut through metal. It can look likea ligtsaber all you want but if doesn't perform the function that a lightsaber does, then it's either what you have, a blowtorch, or one of those extendable plastic ones. Get a life for Christ's sake.

Lightsaber
You don't seem to understand, if someone was to make a arc welding torch built into a actual lightsaber, the flame would be incredibly hot and be able to burn through metal and burn instantly. that is about as cloce as any are going to get to a lightsaber. Unless they can make a laser in the handle and reflect the beam back and forth with a concave mirror assembly at the tip attached to a metal rod in the centre.

A Blow torch or arc welding torch is very similar to a lightsaber. Just not as powerful

Lightsaber
And by the way it looks just like a lightsaber, that is the neat part.

Tru_Slice
Why not just create an extremely hot sword?

At least you would catch something with it, and not just wave it around like a retard.

Tangible God
Originally posted by Lightsaber
And by the way it looks just like a lightsaber, that is the neat part. Who f*cking cares if it looks like one? It's tiny for one, and the very knowledge that it's actually just a flame isn't helping it. And plasma cutters and blowtorches and arc welders, I've worked with before. None of THEIR handles melt. Why should yours? It's nothing special, get over yourself dude.

BOBBY1234
This is a crap name I registered with so I could get on this forum. I've read through this entire forum and have come to the conclusion that, Lightsaber, your efforts are admirable. Though you stretched the specifics of your lightsaber, lighttorch, dagger, whatever people want to call it, the finished product is a step towards what any true fan of Star Wars would ultimately desire; a real lightsaber. The fact remains that the lightsaber apparatus, whatever its design, should cut through obstacles or assailants, which your does, cauterize the interior of the cut objects, which yours also does, and be able to reflect oncoming attacks such as another blade or a blaster bolt (laser projectile), which is what yours lacks. Nonetheless, I do appreciate what you have done, and am upset that star wars fans should chastise you for a respectable achievement. Contact me if you'd like, I have a different proposal on how a "heat-based" lightsaber can be made since we don't have the technology of containing lasers down. Again, good work and good luck with whatever future projects you start.

Captain REX
Bobby, it's not a lightsaber. It's a blow-torch that lightsaber put a lightsaber hilt on the nozzle of. Sorry.

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