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How well do you think Bush is running the US?
My opinion is that he is doing the best he can...he isn't only helping our country but others as well, like Iraq...

My opinion is that he's screwing up everything he touches...

That he isn't fit to be president and shouldn't be president. He makes to many mistakes and thinks to much on small time gain for him and his friends instead of the country.

I used to really pay attention to these things, but have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter which party is President, you can't believe half of what you hear....Too many things are distorted from what ever media source you listen to....SOOOOO, I'm just going to go to the beach today and not worry about it.

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wish i could go to the beach...rain rain and more rain. where i live it is a state of emergency...

I don't think he is screwing up...he helped the tsunami victims, Iraq, and he with the victims of Katrina. For a man in his position, leading the most powerful country, i think he's doing a hell of a good job.

I think you are just trying to provoke people - which is fun, but you do it in a very unimaginative manner.

I think he did not have to invade Iraq. what did he get??

how am i provoking people?

Eh, by making ridiculous statements.

Although, perhaps I am being too generous and you're really just an idiot.

Originally posted by Fishy
My opinion is that he's screwing up everything he touches...

That he isn't fit to be president and shouldn't be president. He makes to many mistakes and thinks to much on small time gain for him and his friends instead of the country.

yes

I couldn't have said it better myself our president is a joke

He's trying to immitate Ronald Regan.
And everybody liked him.
So SpellJammer says he's doing a bang-up job. Large emphasis on the bang..

you know, Bush is in a very difficult position. would you honestly want Kerry as a president?
and you know, last time i checked, supporting in what you believe in is part of Freedom of Speech, and tough, if I'm an idiot I'm an idiot, i want to make my point clear.

Originally posted by Saratn
you know, Bush is in a very difficult position. would you honestly want Kerry as a president?
Kerry was just a coward, an ass-kisser who'd do anything to get the world to love him and had no dignity or morality. He was your typical liberal..

You expect a bunchof neo-socialist dipshits to know anything about freedom of speech?

well then your screwed.

Originally posted by Saratn
you know, Bush is in a very difficult position. would you honestly want Kerry as a president?
and you know, last time i checked, supporting in what you believe in is part of Freedom of Speech, and tough, if I'm an idiot I'm an idiot, i want to make my point clear.

Well, you certainly failed there...The only thing gaining greater clarity is my assumption in regards to your level of mental awareness.

"Rock the boat, don't rock the boat, baby..."

Originally posted by Saratn
you know, Bush is in a very difficult position. would you honestly want Kerry as a president?
and you know, last time i checked, supporting in what you believe in is part of Freedom of Speech, and tough, if I'm an idiot I'm an idiot, i want to make my point clear.

No I wouldn't want Kerry there either, but rather Kerry then Bush.

you would want a president who lies?

Originally posted by Saratn
you would want a president who lies?

What would be the exact difference?

"Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction" ........

Originally posted by Bardock42
What would be teh exact difference?

"Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction" ........
Like he couldn't have used the six months of doddeling to transport those weapons somewhere else..

Originally posted by Saratn
How well do you think Bush is running the US?
My opinion is that he is doing the best he can...he isn't only helping our country but others as well, like Iraq...

I think he's doing a horrible job. Bring back Clinton any day

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Like he couldn't have used the six months of doddeling to transport those weapons somewhere else..

Yeah...sure...he's rather hiding them and himself in a hole than using them.......right

too bad his 8 year term was over...

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
I think he's doing a horrible job. Bring back Clinton any day

Screw Clinton (hahahah....Lewinsky did) ....bring back Jefferson.....or Jackson....maybe even Roosevelt the elder.....or Eisenhower...

that wouldn't be too bad either...if they were alive

Originally posted by Saratn
that wouldn't be too bad either...if they were alive

Yeah...My Bad...forgot the Death-Factor.....but seriously the US needs another great Leader.....they had some before

George Washington was the best Pres. ever.

He was kicking ass and taking names in the American Revolution.

true...though I think Bush is doing good...i don't favor some of his decisions...i just think he is doing the best he can...

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
George Washington was the best Pres. ever.

He was kicking ass and taking names in the American Revolution.

I don't see where you get that from....he was a great Person...and a good General and what not....and I guess he was a decent President...but the Best? ...no way...Originally posted by Saratn
true...though I think Bush is doing good...i don't favor some of his decisions...i just think he is doing the best he can...

But it's not aboot doing the best one can but doing the best for your country.

and how can anyone expect so much from just one person?

Originally posted by Saratn
and how can anyone expect so much from just one person?
Because liberals are in awe of Bush because he's so badass, they're just too proud to admit it..

Originally posted by Saratn
and how can anyone expect so much from just one person?

I don't know...but I know that there were people that were able to do it....(Bush is not one of them)

Seriously, not only is he running a whole country, but he's running a big country with lots of weirdness going on.

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
Seriously, not only is he running a whole country, but he's running a big country with lots of weirdness going on.

And this is an excuse how? If he can't handle running an entire country he shouldn't have run for president. What kind of lame excuse is this, if the guy can't do his job well then he's screwing up. Whether the country is big or not does not matter, it shouldn't matter he should be able to do it or not. I don't think he is, and I don't care why he's not able to do it, he's just not able to do it so he shouldn't be there. Period.

so tell me, what would you do if you were under that kind of pressure? hmm?

How the hell should I know? Am I president? Did I ask to be president? Did I try to become President? No... So its not my job its not my responsibility.

Originally posted by Saratn
so tell me, what would you do if you were under that kind of pressure? hmm?

If I couldn't handle it I wouldn't put myself in that state....

the shut the hell up. you wouldn't know how it is like to run as president

Originally posted by Saratn
the shut the hell up. you wouldn't know how it is like to run as president

How would you know the pressure?

Seriously dude, do you even read what I am posting? I never said I can handle it, thats why i'm not trying to become president. Bush however said that he could, if it then turns out he can't he has the wrong job and should get the hell out. He hasn't left, so stop making excuses for him screwing up, he's screwing up and its his own fault.

explain how he is screwing up.

Originally posted by Fishy
And this is an excuse how? If he can't handle running an entire country he shouldn't have run for president.
He's the president you idiot, not a dicator. This is why we have congressmen, governors, presidents, mayors, senators, and other elected officals.. If you want a neo-fascist state move to Iran..

you obviously haven't heard of try walking in someone's shoes. he's doing the best he can.

Originally posted by Saratn
you obviously haven't heard of try walking in someone's shoes. he's doing the best he can.
I really don't carel...and if Hitler did the Best he could...and he probably did he would still be an ******* .....

You obviously don't understand that saying....

Originally posted by Saratn
he's doing the best he can.

I think that's the problem.

He shouldn't have taken the job if the best he could do was the worst anyone could ever do.

-AC

so what does everyone expect from him?

Originally posted by Saratn
so what does everyone expect from him?

to not start wars...to begin with

Or to do his job.

ok so first of all...these are some of the events that happened since he took office.
Terroist Attacks
War in Iraq
the three hurricanes, mostly Katrina
he helped the Tsunami Victims
poverty in africa

that is a hell of a lot for someone to deal with.

So terrorist attacks never happened before? I must say nothing as bad as 9/11 on the US. But since 9/11 terrorist attacks have only started to happen more and more and more.

War in Iraq? He started the damn thing so its his own damn fault.

Hurricanes are not a new thing, natural disastors have happened a lot of times.

Wow great about the Tsunami victims, name one rich 1st world country that didn't. And please tell me how this gave him a lot of trouble?

Poveryty in Africa is nothing new either you know.

Originally posted by Saratn
ok so first of all...these are some of the events that happened since he took office.
Terroist Attacks
War in Iraq
the three hurricanes, mostly Katrina
he helped the Tsunami Victims
poverty in africa

that is a hell of a lot for someone to deal with.

He STARTED the War in Iraq
He's not the First President to deal with either Terrorist Attacks, Wars or Natural Disasters
Yeah right...the poverty in Africa started in teh year 2000

And no it's not really...it'S only 5 things.....and all rather unimportant thoings to if dealt right with.....

YOU GUYS JUST WON'T BACK OFF UH? and why does it matter to you Fishy?

I won't back off? You asked the damn question, i'm giving you an answer. You might not like it, but if you don't want the answer don't ask the question.

Originally posted by Saratn
YOU GUYS JUST WON'T BACK OFF UH? and why does it matter to you Fishy?

You asked.....

Originally posted by Saratn
ok so first of all...these are some of the events that happened since he took office.
Terroist Attacks
War in Iraq
the three hurricanes, mostly Katrina
he helped the Tsunami Victims
poverty in africa

that is a hell of a lot for someone to deal with.

It has been a bit cruel.

I'd expect an easy ride if I took the biggest job in the world as well. Turn up, sharpen a few pencils. Bit of golf maybe.

you guys are just chewing up my words and spitting them out the wrong way.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It has been a bit cruel.

I'd expect an easy ride if I took the biggest job in the world as well. Turn up, sharpen a few pencils. Bit of golf maybe.

Like his first few months before 9/11 you mean?

Originally posted by Saratn
you guys are just chewing up my words and spitting them out the wrong way.

Nonsense...we just answered your question..you didn't say anything to that jsut that we "won't back off"

So Bush is doing the best he can. So? It's not enough.

well, let's see someone else handle the situations he has gone through.

Originally posted by Saratn
ok so first of all...these are some of the events that happened since he took office.
Terroist Attacks
War in Iraq
the three hurricanes, mostly Katrina
he helped the Tsunami Victims
poverty in africa

that is a hell of a lot for someone to deal with.
as was said: Terrorist attacks have been happening for longer than 2001. Ambassy in what was it? Nigeria? done by A-Q, that guy that tried to bomb this center twice, an attempt to bomb the olympic games in Atlanta, ... I can keep on going with these attack that happend in the '90s.

Also as was said: he started the war in Iraq, he has to sit through it. I can't help it if some people believe this was necessary himself included. It was not needed and was just an attempt to lure away the attention of the people. He's taking a quote from Goering and does what that guy said...

The three hurricanes... not only has it happened more but Bush was the one declining to invest in the dykes/levees three years ago. The money went to his little campaign in Iraq. He caused most of the destruction himself here.

He helped the Tsunami victims??? and the rest of the world just stood there doing nothing? oh please! and don't go start talking crap about how much he donated, in absolute figures the US indeed donated a lot, in relative figures (taking into account how many people live in the states) it was not that big at all! A country with just a million people donating 5 million dollars is better than a country of 200 million donating 10 million dollars

Poverty in Africa has been going on for a LONG time and guess what, he didn't solve it nor helped

Originally posted by Saratn
well, let's see someone else handle the situations he has gone through.

Many presidents have handled much more complicated situations (that they did not cause) much better.

not all of this is his fault.

No but some of it is, and you made up the damn examples, so you should have realised that some things are his fault before posting it. Or do you need other people to tell you everything.

not once did i say that he never made a mistake. i said he was doing as best as he could, and i said that i don't like some of his decisions.

Exactly, he's doing the best he can and it's still the worst possible outcomes.

It's because of people like you that he's in power.

-AC

i can't even vote yet, nor did i want to. i am just saying that he is doing as best he can as if now.

I know what you're saying, it makes no sense.

Secondly, if you wouldn't have voted even if you could, I suggest you stay out of any debate on political issues.

-AC

you know, cause i wouldn't vote for him, doesn't mean i can't stick up for him.

for what good reason do you want to stick up for him if you don't even want to vote for him?

Originally posted by Saratn
How well do you think Bush is running the US?

Any todler could tell you the answer to that question

Originally posted by Saratn
you know, cause i wouldn't vote for him, doesn't mean i can't stick up for him.

You said you wouldn't vote.

I'm thinking politics is an area in which you're out of your depth range, to quote that random English kid from Mallork.

-AC

i am sticking up for him, because he is a person who has his flaws. i wouldn't have voted for him though.

You're being stupid though.

Sticking up for an extremely horrific president just because he has "his flaws", is illogical.

-AC

Originally posted by Saratn
i am sticking up for him, because he is a person who has his flaws.

That's a new one.

Originally posted by Saratn
i am sticking up for him, because he is a person who has his flaws. i wouldn't have voted for him though.
yeah well, as a person he can do what the hell he wants, but as a president of a country that has nuclear missles, he can NOT make one mistake
and unfortunatly, he majored cum laude in stupidity

have you read any of my comments i have made? put 1 and 1 together and you will get what i am saying.

he's spending to much funds on gas and war that he's blind to the problems in the country.he keeps saying the same things over and over again and isnt making any progress.someone please impeach him or something

1 + 1 = 2.

As in...your posts are 2 stupid?

-AC

Originally posted by Saratn
i am sticking up for him, because he is a person who has his flaws. i wouldn't have voted for him though.



thats so stupid its funny

Originally posted by Saratn
i am sticking up for him, because he is a person who has his flaws. i wouldn't have voted for him though.


Is that you, Bush?

Come on now, don't be shy. We know you're no good at impersonations.
I have always wanted to talk to the President.

yeah yeah your really funny. smarten your ass up.

Originally posted by Saratn
yeah yeah your really funny. smarten your ass up.


I guess I can only hope that someday I will reach your 'brillance'.

what the hell are you talking about?

Well well. Alot ppl don't believe he is doing a good job.. well i do not care anyway

Originally posted by Saratn
what the hell are you talking about?

Well, I was only responding to your insult telling me to 'smarten my ass up'. You did'nt really think I'd take that talk from someone like you, right?

You know I'm just kidding Saratn. You're a cool guy. I read some of your works. So I guess there is some depth to you.

But why sympathize with someone you don't really support?

i don't think bush or any of his cabinet or cronies or any in PNAC is fit to be a part of a civilized society.

I just registered to this forum, and what better thread to make a first impression. How well do I thin Bush is doing? Well this pretty much sums up my thoughts:

swoomp.com/content.php?type=recent&iid=209

SERIOUSLY!

That box shrub I planted on the side of my house are doing quite fine thanks to the recent rain. Thanks for asking!

Personally I think bush is doing a great job of keeping American on top of the world, While people might moan that he invades, pollutes and threatens his way around the world... he does this cause you guys want cheep gas, power and money... all of which your country can't provide.. so he screws the rest of the planet to get it.. while convincing half of america what he is doing is right... that makes him excellent at his job...

You know, you would have a point except,

gas price are'nt getting any lower

the aggressor is almost always more prone

and lots of money is being wasted on war, which for the most part accomplished nothing except the removal of a dictator which we were ultimately responsible for putting in power in the first place.

I mean we're running out of bullshit reasons for this war.

Oil? We got plenty in the States.
Terrorism? You blow up the whole ****ing middle east and it'll still exist
Liberating Iraq? Ooooh Yeah. Tanks. Bombs. Explosions. Dead civilians. I guess by liberating, we meant liberating their souls from their bodies. But hey atleast they're free.

Well, thats great. I mean as long arms manufacturers getting rich, everythings right in the world.

You know what, I changed my mind. Bush is great president. The world is truly a better place now for his existence.

The war is justified. Its a brilliant plan really. The less people there are, the fewer people there are to deal with. Since those turban fcks are stupid enough to fck with US, maybe they deserve to die. ALL of them.

thats the spirit! everyone join in with the american way!

Hey, I'm back from the beach....Are we still talking about Bush...I guess being President wouldn't be on my list of careers....Even though I might have some pretty good ideas....

I wanna be president so then I can nuke everyone

Originally posted by debbiejo
I guess being President wouldn't be on my list of careers

You're absolutely right, Debs. You know how you see some 7-year old on TV going, "I wanna be president some day" and everybody's supposed to go "Awwwwwww...that kid is going to be something else."

Not anymore! Might as well say, "Boy, that kid sure is dumb to want to throw his dignity away, ruin his image, and be message board fodder for all of the Internet!"

Do you notice how fast their hair grays and how fast they age?????...

Originally posted by Sir Nauj
I wanna be president so then I can nuke everyone
somehow I can imagine Bush sitting at his desk with a long face, sulking.
"But I want to nuke a country "

and someone responding:
"No mister president. Now be a good kid and go draw a bit."

that was funny to read, but if he actually thought that, then earth would be a living hell

Originally posted by Saratn
that was funny to read, but if he actually thought that, then earth would be a living hell

I suggest you look around the world in which we live and be quiet.

-AC

He is doing the best he can, but the results aren't exactly what the rest of the world expected and has that much benefits.

Originally posted by Saratn
How well do you think Bush is running the US?
My opinion is that he is doing the best he can...he isn't only helping our country but others as well, like Iraq...

Bush isn't doing anything. Hes merely a puppet for the crazy-money-grabbig-blood-sucking Republican parasites

Wow, that was kinda harsh. You are, of couse, entitled to that opinion but it is a little harsh.

Eeek, I don't envy the Pres his job. He's doing okay though. Natural disasters, wars, there's only so much one can do with the circumstances

He's doing ok?

Do you even pay attention to...well...anything at all? He's doing absolutely terrible. There's no "considering the circumstances". He's doing horrible, no way out of that.

Natural disasters and war...oh boo hoo. So he's had to deal with the weather and a war HE started. Big deal.

-AC

ok, so what would you do differently under all of that pressure?

I wouldn't be there in the first place. I'm not fit to be a president because I don't care enough about people.

The fact that a lot of idiots put him into power doesn't mean that he's doing a better job just because he's the president. Let's stop being blind, stupid and idiotic, the man is doing a horrible job isn't he? In just about every department there is.

Stop saying that he's under all this pressure, because every national leader is. You're saying natural disasters and war as if it's something he's handled. He started the war, got many innocent Americans killed (and will continue to) and he's incapable of dealing with the aftermath of the weather more or less. It's not exactly like he's trying to deal with a nuclear holocaust.

He's a bad president. The fact that he is president doesn't give him the right to do a shit job. He isn't trying his best in my opinion but the fact that he MIGHT be is the scariest thought of all, because he's doing worse than possibly any presidential candidate.

-AC

did you read a single damn word i posted.
i said IF you WERE president...not do you WANT to be president...NOT making up some dumb ass excuse...

And so what if he's a bad president? Like we havn't had bad presidents before? Is there any justification for as much bitching as you all do over one man? In no time in history has there been so much whining over the president as now. Even Nixon got less heat, and he deserved it!

I answered your question in the first line, read it. It's not a possible eventuality so I don't ever consider it. Either way, I personally wouldn't do well because as I said, I don't care for other people enough.

And before you say "Well then don't criticise Bush", he doesn't care enough about anyone else to be president either. Hence why he's the absolute wrong choice. The fact that he's president doesn't exclude him from being shit at his job.

He's not doing ok, by any stroke of the imagination.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
And so what if he's a bad president?

Quote of the year, perhaps of all time.......of ignorance and stupidity.

-AC

Seriously, if Bush is doing the best he can, well, he should not be president. Quite frankly considering how he's been doing things, I'd prefer it if he were doing everything half-assed, because then at least you'd know that he COULD do better....but it really doesn't seem that way. Only thing he's doing a good job with is running the US into the ground.

so you'd want a president who lies? that's even worse...
'Oh don't worry, I won't let anyone invade our country.'

Hahahaha, ironic. Since you do actually have a president who lies, has lied and will continue to lie.

-AC

Cause Lord knows Bush is the first ever president to ever tell a lie..

Guess what, atleast he didn't lie to the supreme court like our last president..

I don't think Bush is doing very well, in all honesty.

But I don't think he's doing nearly as bad as some insinuate.

Kerry, all he does is lie...my teacher had said this trying to impress the New Englanders. "My favorite player is Manny Ortiz' i mean wtf! and another one, he had said that he had pitched at a game for the Red Sox, and had said something that was enirely false.

Originally posted by Saratn
so you'd want a president who lies? that's even worse...
'Oh don't worry, I won't let anyone invade our country.'

.....have you been under a rock for the past 5 years? Bush is a HUGE liar, but he lies about stuff that affects the entire country and has caused thousands of deaths. WMDs in Iraq? Hah! Biggest lie there was; as you should know it's since been discovered that there was never even any suspicions of WMDs in Iraq. Heard of the Downing Street Memo? Basically says how Bush was determined to go to war regardless. He lied to start that war.

Seriously, find out what you're talking about before you say anything. It'll save yourself a lot of embarassment.

How does that disprove what I've been saying?

-AC

problem reaction solution

look it up now, or die

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Cause Lord knows Bush is the first ever president to ever tell a lie..

Guess what, atleast he didn't lie to the supreme court like our last president..

All the presidents have lied. Yeah, Clinton lied, but at least it wasn't over something that affected the entire country, like Bush's little war has. There's a big difference in lying over a personal matter and lying over a war.

And for the record, Bush lied to the Congress (because unless a war gets Congressional support, it is illegal), the ENTIRE US, the UN, and, well, the entire world. I daresay that's a bit worse.

it proves that Kerry wouldn't have been any better. he was trying to impress us New Englanders by lying, meaning he would lie to impress the country and the rest of the world.

Saratn? Think before you post.

Seriously.

-AC

Is there a single person in the Office of Management and Budget, the U.S. Treasury, the Congressional Budget Office, or the Federal Reserve who thinks the U.S., already drowning in red ink, has the resources to fight wars for decades?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Saratn? Think before you post.

Seriously.

-AC
and just shutup AC, seriously. "I don't care about the people or Bush"

If you don't care then why the hell do you whine so much? No-one wants to hear your nasal toned complaints about something you claim to not care about. You're just a whiner, and society has no place for the likes of you. So just make yourself more useful, and stop whining. It's not like you offer patriotic support like KidRock, alternative ideas like SpellJammer, or enlightening news on what's really going on like Deano. You are worthless to yourself, and America. And unless you don't care about that too, SpellJammer would suggest you change it.. Nobody wants to be a loser..

Ooooh, this is delicious.

Pot, meet kettle.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
and just shutup AC, seriously. "I don't care about the people or Bush"

If you don't care then why the hell do you whine so much? No-one wants to hear your nasal toned complaints about something you claim to not care about. You're just a whiner, and society has no place for the likes of you. So just make yourself more useful, and stop whining. It's not like you offer patriotic support like KidRock, alternative ideas like SpellJammer, or enlightening news on what's really going on like Deano. You are worthless to yourself, and America. And unless you don't care about that too, SpellJammer would suggest you change it.. Nobody wants to be a loser..

Uno: You don't care about liberals, right? Could have fooled me. You mention them in damn near every single post you make. I don't care about people or Bush, but I care about the fact that I have to live on this planet. A planet becoming increasingly more dangerous by Bush and his cronies.

Dos: KidRock offers patriotic support in the way of following whoever is in charge, regardless of what they do wrong. The fact that he supports Bush and is a blind, right-wing, non-thinking republican racist (albeit subliminally) therefore negates any serious comments he can make.

Three: I'm not American.

Four: Whoop.

-AC

Originally posted by Lana
Ooooh, this is delicious.

Pot, meet kettle.
How is SpellJammer a pot? Did he say "SpellJammer doesn't care about his country", no he did not. So your post was unnescarey and quite frankly, idiotic. You just want to get a word in cause you're an attention-whore. Guess what toots, do like normal people your age do and just put out..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
How is SpellJammer a pot? Did he say "SpellJammer doesn't care about his country", no he did not. So your post was unnescarey and quite frankly, idiotic. You just want to get a word in cause you're an attention-whore. Guess what toots, do like normal people your age do and just put out..

You were saying that AC is a whiner. You do NOTHING but whine about how the liberals have ruined this and the liberals have caused that. You're a bloody hypocrite. So yes, my post DID have a point, you're just too clueless and hardheaded to understand it.

Seriously. Get out from under your rock, learn something about how politics works, and quit being so goddamn stupid.

And btw, I really SHOULD report you for the flame you just made at me. But I'm going to be nice, I think.

SpellJammer doesn't always blame the liberals.

The war in Iraq is unjustified, not the liberal's fault.
The fillebuster is not the liberal's fault.
Catholiscm is not the liberal's fault.
Umm.. Hurricane Katerina was not the liberal's fault lol!

But seriously. 90% of the time it is. (5% being conservatives, the other 5% being dumb luck..) So that's why SpellJammer acknowledges it..

yea, like that's really a flame...i've seen a lot worse than that...

Where do you get that 90%? Or do I assume you got it from where you get everything else you say?

-AC

No. Most problems are caused by ignorance and blind faith.

How is trying to progress a bad thing?

It's not.

Seriously, your posts prove nothing but that you're a fool who believes anything the conservative right says, and that you know absolutely NOTHING about how politics and the American government works.

Originally posted by Lana
No. Most problems are caused by ignorance and blind faith.


amen

Originally posted by Saratn
yea, like that's really a flame...i've seen a lot worse than that...

Yeah, so have I. I've recieved much worse, too. I've been stalked and harassed all over the boards and through PMs. But that was still a flame, regardless; don't tell me what it is or isn't.

its all building up to one thing..a police state

Originally posted by Lana

How is trying to progress a bad thing?

It isn't. But our society is more liberal then ever.

More suicide rates.
Economy going in the toilot.
People are generaly more violant and less loving.
Diseases spreading faster then ever.
Even animals are feeling the effects of a low-morality and becoming less healthy.

WHAT PROGRESS!

thanx to the staged events of 9/11, things have gone radically down hill, just as they want it to.

Originally posted by Spelljammer
It isn't. But our society is more liberal then ever.

More suicide rates.
Economy going in the toilot.
People are generaly more violant and less loving.
Diseases spreading faster then ever.
Even animals are feeling the effects of a low-morality and becoming less healthy.

WHAT PROGRESS!

Are you one of those people who think things will get better instantly?

You should really compare the US to countries in Europe; we're downright conservative compared to most of them. Look up some stats about crime, drug use, rape, abortion, etc, in say.....the Netherlands, and compare them to stats from the US. Then you'll see how wrong you really are.

The economy is in the toilet, while we have a conservative in office. Under Clinton, a liberal, we had budget surpluses.

Originally posted by Deano
thanx to the staged events of 9/11, things have gone radically down hill, just as they want it to.
True that. SpellJammer believes this is eactly how they want us to act. Like AC and Lana. So consumed with hatred and anger that we blind ourselves to what's really going on. Hard to see the darkside is, even harder when you close your eyes and shut your ears..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
It isn't. But our society is more liberal then ever.

More suicide rates.
Economy going in the toilot.
People are generaly more violant and less loving.
Diseases spreading faster then ever.
Even animals are feeling the effects of a low-morality and becoming less healthy.

WHAT PROGRESS!


How do all of these things equate to being "liberal"?

Seems like just another poor attempt to falsely demonize liberals on your part.

well there will be more ''terrorist'' attacks to come to finally convince the people to accept this new slave system

I swear, this war on terrorism is the MOST asinine thing I've ever heard of. These people hate us, so we're going to go kill them!

Well gee, won't this just make MORE people hate us?

Originally posted by Deano
well there will be more ''terrorist'' attacks to come to finally convince the people to accept this new slave system
Probably. Notice they go after Islamic states. This war should've been called "The War on God".

Sometimes SpellJammer thinks we're secretly friends with China and Jim Kong..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
True that. SpellJammer believes this is eactly how they want us to act. Like AC and Lana. So consumed with hatred and anger that we blind ourselves to what's really going on. Hard to see the darkside is, even harder when you close your eyes and shut your ears..

AC's not even American, for one thing.

And see, I don't blindly follow anything. I see what's happening, and make my own decisions about how I feel about it. I have the ability to think for myself. I don't go blindly blaming a political ideal for everything I can think of that I don't like or understand, and I don't spout senseless garbage.

Originally posted by Lana
Well gee, won't this just make MORE people hate us?
Who cares if people hate us?! What are you?! Twelve?!

A man is not succesful or a failure by what other's think of him, a man's destiny is determined by what he does. And how it effects his sorroundings. What people think about it is irrelevvant..

Originally posted by Spelljammer
Who cares if people hate us?! What are you?! Twelve?!

A man is not succesful or a failure by what other's think of him, a man's destiny is determined by what he does. And how it effects his sorroundings. What people think about it is irrelevvant..

Well, when half the damn world hates the US because of their president's idiotic foreign policy, it does sorta make a difference. We're supposedly the most powerful country in the world...but that doesn't mean shit if half the world doesn't respect or like us.

This war on terrorism is going to accomplish nothing but alienate the US from much of the rest of the world and create MORE terrorism; anyone with half a brain should be able to see that.

respect us? i say that their is a good amount of countries that respect us. those that respect us are the US's allies, those that help the US in wars and in time of need. and yes the US is the country with the most power, and it is the richest

If anyone, anywhere, is stupid enough to think SpellJammer's goverment speaks for SpellJammer, then he would hope they hate SpellJammer.

Because SpellJammer hates thier stupid ass..