Infinities vs PF

kgkg

Originally posted by leonidas
who are the infinities? and nice new sig. does that mean you've finally crossed over and thiink supes > gladiator?

heheh
Infinites are beings that are beyond realities.

Made Eternity look like shit

As for Supes > Gladiator maybe your average day to day Gladiator that looses all the time due to issue

But I still got the shit going to Confident Gladiator.

from avenger infinity

HigH ScholaR

PF???

nice sig though

BlaqChaos

I assume you mean Phoenix Force when you say PF, right?

Are these the guys you mean about the infinities?

http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/infinites.html

(Shamelessly found at: http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/.)

RAGE17

Originally posted by BlaqChaos
I assume you mean Phoenix Force when you say PF, right?

Are these the guys you mean about the infinities?

http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/infinites.html

(Shamelessly found at: http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/.)

wow the other site is really good

kgkg

Well I finish reading the mini series

Infi ----- Are above all the abstract (cept Trinunal)

bbrem123

the HOTU is not as powerful as we think..its only universal from what i read

http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/thanos.html

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by bbrem123
the HOTU is not as powerful as we think..its only universal from what i read

http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/thanos.html

Yep yes

For all we know that was merely an MBody of LTs that was defeated. Thanos has a habit of hyping up power sources.

bbrem123

so why the hell does everybody keep placing it equal to TOAA

GalacticStorm

The Infinites manhandled the Eternity Mbody and claimed to be greater than any single reality. Did they mean as a sum or individually because a single member of said race needed to sacrifice himself for the restoration of a planet. (or was it a galaxy?)

We know Phoenix is greater than any single reality conclusively. She spawns them and exists within them as the life force whilst simultaneously existing as a consciousness beyond them. Jean has held and manipulated the totality of a universe in her palm as if it was nothing. No messing around with Mbodys there!! wink

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by bbrem123
so why the hell does everybody keep placing it equal to TOAA

Because just like he did with the cosmic cube and the Ig Thanos likened himself to the supreme being when he wielded The Heart Of The Infinite.

bbrem123

they r unclear with the power that thanos has with the HOTU so it sould not be placed on the hierarchy

thanos with the IG in my eyes now is far beyond that of the heart, because it has been stated in many places that it had come for a being that comprised all of infinity

bbrem123

for all we kno, thanos with the heart is similar to the korvac situation, were the LT just closed out that universe...which is y thanos could not sense other universes

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by bbrem123
they r unclear with the power that thanos has with the HOTU so it sould not be placed on the heriardy

thanos with the IG in my eyes now is far beyond that of the heart, because it has been stated in many places that it had come for a being that comprised all of infinity

Read my post i posted today in the Phoenix versus Nemesis thread pertaining to the IG. It deals with the matter once and for all. The IG is NOT multiversal and the comments in Thanos Quest pertaining to the I Being can be interpreted as him being universal or multiversal however given all the other things revealed about him and the gems (some of which ive posted in the aforementioned thread) then the IG as you will see is very much universal. Plus on top of that Thanos marked out a clear progression, a hierarchy of power between the cube, the IG and the HOTI. HOTI came out on top.

bbrem123

im not seeing it

what ifs r non-canon...that doesnt mean theres more then one it just shows what would have happened if the other had the gauntlet

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by bbrem123
im not seeing it

what ifs r non-canon...that doesnt mean theres more then one it just shows what would have happened if the other had the gauntlet

Replied to this in the other thread. What Ifs depict alternate realities within Marvels multiverse. Circumstances in a What If are not canon for another universe or continuity within Marvel, (for example what Hulk can do in one reality cant be assumed achievable by 616 Hulk) however when talking of multiversal matters what ifs are taken into consideration. They are very much a part of the Marvel Multiverse, characters from 616 have travelled to What If universes for example. Therefore the fact that IG's exist in other realities means that the IG of 616 is conclusively not multiversal. There isnt one of it in the multiverse.

Mordum

The Infinites should be above LT because he has jurisdiction over the multiverse but they live outside the multiverse but interact with the tribunals domain.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=408998&pagenumber=18#post6926282

here are some scans of the infinites.(top of the page)
If you want more from the mini just ask me.

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by Mordum
The Infinites should be above LT because he has jurisdiction over the multiverse but they live outside the multiverse but interact with the tribunals domain.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=408998&pagenumber=18#post6926282

here are some scans of the infinites.(top of the page)
If you want more from the mini just ask me.

Where does it say they live outside the multiverse? In any event doing so doesnt equate to them being above LT. Roma lives outside the multiverse so do the Exiles, are they above LT?

As aforementioned look at what had to be done to restore that planet (galaxy?)

Mr Master

Originally posted by bbrem123
the HOTU is not as powerful as we think..its only universal from what i read

http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/thanos.html

Dude...that's not an Official Marvel Website.

And secondly that guy is confused about how he describes Atleza and the reason she escaped Thanos's wrath.

Which is why I tell All of yall to stop relying on BIOS....especially from an UNOFFICIAL source.

See those little purple balls, thats where Atleza is..and every little purple ball is the domain of the anchor...Yes...very much outside the Multiverse...untouched by space or time.....This is why Atleza, along with Gamora and Warlock were not absorbed by Thanos...the Multiverse are the Bigger balls obviously...
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg
First Warlock enters this place...the Cosmic Vortex.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3198/adamgoesbtwnuniverses15yh.th.jpg
Now observe Warlock navigating this realm in--between Universes.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg
Atleza's domain is OUTSIDE the Universe and Multiverse...And it's a Universe like that bio said....soem kind of realm or dimension.

Mr Master

Originally posted by bbrem123
so why the hell does everybody keep placing it equal to TOAA

It is the Power of the Supreme...don't listen to Fanboys and Unofficial bios...go by what's ON PANEL.

If not..you'l be posting opinions that do not exist on panel but in bios/handbooks...where any writer can come and warp what has been drawn.

bbrem123

Originally posted by Mr Master
It is the Power of the Supreme...don't listen to Fanboys and Unofficial bios...go by what's ON PANEL.

If not..you'l be posting opinions that do not exist on panel but in bios/handbooks...where any writer can come and warp what has been drawn.

quite true

Mr Master

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Infinites manhandled the Eternity Mbody and claimed to be greater than any single reality. Did they mean as a sum or individually because a single member of said race needed to sacrifice himself for the restoration of a planet.

The Infinites are FAR BEYOND Phoenix.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We know Phoenix is greater than any single reality conclusively.

hysterical

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She spawns them and exists within them as the life force whilst simultaneously existing as a consciousness beyond them.

lies

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean has held and manipulated the totality of a universe in her palm as if it was nothing.

More lies

All Phoenix did was REPAIR the Damage of an Orphan Universe
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5720/pffixpg0.th.jpg
Never say's the Totality or that she Restructured it or Manipulated it any furthur than necessary to REPAIR the Damage it had receievd.

Look how Easily this little girl juggles a Universe.
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg
What do you think that it that she's toying with?

Let's put her in the hierarchy now.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Mr Master
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg

Atleza's domain is OUTSIDE the Universe and Multiverse...And it's a Universe like that bio said....soem kind of realm or dimension.

Scuse the typo.

It should read like this.

Atleza's domain is OUTSIDE the Universe and Multiverse...And it's NOT a Universe like that bio said....some kind of realm or dimension is what it is.

bigbran

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude...that's not an Official Marvel Website.

And secondly that guy is confused about how he describes Atleza and the reason she escaped Thanos's wrath.

Which is why I tell All of yall to stop relying on BIOS....especially from an UNOFFICIAL source.

See those little purple balls, thats where Atleza is..and every little purple ball is the domain of the anchor...Yes...very much outside the Multiverse...untouched by space or time.....This is why Atleza, along with Gamora and Warlock were not absorbed by Thanos...the Multiverse are the Bigger balls obviously...
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8021/unilook17qj.th.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/9715/unilook21qc.th.jpg
First Warlock enters this place...the Cosmic Vortex.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3198/adamgoesbtwnuniverses15yh.th.jpg
Now observe Warlock navigating this realm in--between Universes.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7376/adamgoesbtwnuniverses26zw.th.jpg
Atleza's domain is OUTSIDE the Universe and Multiverse...And it's a Universe like that bio said....soem kind of realm or dimension. so hotu was multiversal....

Mordum

"We do not "defile!"" "We are but rearranging the galaxies--to improve the flow of their energies--and the balance of the multiverse beyond."

They is outside multiverse.

Quasar says that he has encountered Eternity,Living Tribunal, and Oblivion before but "They seem almost human next to the infinites"

bbrem123

since they r outside the marvel multiverse and dont endanger it the LT does not need to interact with them

but if they did threaten the multiverse then i think the LT could handle them

Mr Master

Originally posted by bigbran
so hotu was multiversal....

Absolutely.

Mr Master

Originally posted by Mordum
"We do not "defile!"" "We are but rearranging the galaxies--to improve the flow of their energies--and the balance of the multiverse beyond."

They is outside multiverse.

Quasar says that he has encountered Eternity,Living Tribunal, and Oblivion before but "They seem almost human next to the infinites"

That is true...and it was On Panel.

They showed they were Beyond Eternity and Beyond Space and Time(outside the Multiverse)but how they compare to the Living Tribunal is up for debate....not enough feats.

bigbran

but eternity certanly did better agaianst one hand then he did against hotu.

Mr Master

Originally posted by bigbran
but eternity certanly did better agaianst one hand then he did against hotu.

THOU is ABOVE these Infinites...so I'm not surprised by that.

rotiart

Originally posted by Mordum
"We do not "defile!"" "We are but rearranging the galaxies--to improve the flow of their energies--and the balance of the multiverse beyond."

They is outside multiverse.

Quasar says that he has encountered Eternity,Living Tribunal, and Oblivion before but "They seem almost human next to the infinites"

Doesn't mean they are more powerful. Quasar might have been referring to the context of their interactions with people.

Mr Master

Originally posted by rotiart
Doesn't mean they are more powerful. Quasar might have been referring to the context of their interactions with people.

I would put them Above Eternity....considering the on panel evidence.

1. TOAA

2. Possibly Equal to #1....but I'll put him at 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder

3. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4738/uatubeggingmmzk9.th.jpg

4. Thanos(HOTU)

5. The Infinites/Beyonders/The Makers(possibly)

These are obscure characters...not much feats...difficult to gauge accurately.

5. Living Tribunal/he may be Equal or greater than #5.

and the rest is the same as the other list.

rotiart

You know its funny but thinking about it PreRetcon Beyond > LT... but supposedly the Beyonder we know is only a fake, who was actually a cosmic cube, imitating the real beyonders.

I don't remember these "real" beyonders. I just remember the one used during secret wars. Quick reference to jog my memory?

bigbran

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would put them Above Eternity....considering the on panel evidence.

1. TOAA

2. Possibly Equal to #1....but I'll put him at 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonder

3. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4738/uatubeggingmmzk9.th.jpg

4. Thanos(HOTU)

5. The Infinites/Beyonders/The Makers(possibly)

These are obscure characters...not much feats...difficult to gauge accurately.

5. Living Tribunal/he may be Equal or greater than #5.

and the rest is the same as the other list. nope tha makers made the microverse, id say lt should be above the first 5.

rotiart

So my new perspective.
1. TOAA (Lord of the Omniverse)
2. MultiEternity/Multi-Infinity (Embodiments of the Multiverse)
2. HOTU/HOTI (Turned you into the equivalent of MultiEternity, even surpassing LT in power.
3. Living Tribunal (Judge of the Multiverse, only one exists ever, if you see him, you are dealing with the only one in the Multiverse)
3. The Infinites (Manhandled Eternity, but LT did not do anything to them, probably cause they were just doing their job to arrange the multiverses energies as they saw fit. Notice though that there were 3 beings. LT has always been shown to have 3 faces. I've always wondered if they could not in fact be the same person)
4. Abraxas (Only one exists within all of MultiEternity, but is still less than them, since their death means Abraxas cannot exist, however Abraxas killed virtually all reed richards in all multiverses, and killed several Galactuses.)
5. PF (For repairing the M Crystal, and an orphan Universe)
5. Single Eternity/Infinity
5. Death
5. Galactus for giving Moondragon the ability to heal Eternity

Phoenix healed another universe
Moondragon healed Eternity, a universe with Galactus's help
. Therefore really Galactus healed it but.
ABC logic. Galactus= Phoenix. big grin

Or Moondragon + Galactus = Phoenix.
Still doesn't mean Phoenix = LT

I swear, I just wanna take out a sling shot and shoot the bird down.

Ain't I a stinker.