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who wins?

Has been done already. Good fight, but Spider-Man wins (not easily though).

spider-man wins??? is that a joke? deathstroke defeated Wonder Woman with prep. Without prep, he'd still pwn Spidey.

DS has defeated a lot of people who should kill him easily. Sometimes it's legitimate smart prep....other times horrible PIS. But on paper this is a great fight.

But yeah, done before. If anyone can find the link I'll be happy to merge them.

I'd vote Spider 6/10 but with any sort of prep it swings toward DS.

like i said last time with prep death stroke easily, without spiderman would win but it wouldnt be easy.

Deathstroke owns spidey.

Originally posted by grey fox
Deathstroke owns spidey.
How ?

Originally posted by Smaxxer
How ?
-BANG-

That's how. Spiderman has been shot by Punisher, Slade is Punisher x20.

One of Slade's super grenades would end this quick.

But most likely, Slade is webbed against a wall and Spiderman is laying on the pavement with half his head missing.

Not the best scenario ever...

How about Spider-Man rap webbing around Deathstroke and twirls him up and toss 15 miles away That K.O.'s Deathstroke and then Spider-Man grabs Deathstroke's leg in each arm and make's a wish.

slade is not a god........

Originally posted by Smaxxer
Not the best scenario ever...
But a realistic one.

Spiderman can't take being shot and he damn well can't take Slade's "Superboy & Wondergirl" K.O'ing grenades.

Originally posted by golem370
How about Spider-Man rap webbing around Deathstroke and twirls him up and toss 15 miles away That K.O.'s Deathstroke and then Spider-Man grabs Deathstroke's leg in each arm and make's a wish.
How about...

BANG! Dead spidey?

Seriously, Spiderman ain't the Flash, he isn't going to be able to do anything that Slade can't counter.

Originally posted by spiderboy5
slade is not a god........
Neither is Spiderman....spiderboy...

do u no wat bloodlust spidey is capable of?

SLade is not in Spider-Man Agility and Reflexes he is 15 times more agile then a person that trumps deathstrokes Weapons

Spider-Man is faster, stronger, has better reflexes, has pre-cog, a longe range weapon he uses pretty damn good, super durability and is much more agile than Slade ever will be.

He webs Slade up and then searches for a more challenging fight...

Even in a fight I think Spider-Man would wins he throws people off with his style he came up with.

Punching pretty hard and jumping around?? Yeah, that's about it.


Spiderman isn't faster. He's not more durable. And his long range weapon is shit compared to Slade's.
Slade is Smarter, has a healing factor and armor, is as fast, 100x better fighter & 100x better firepower.


Spiderman gets shot and/or blown up. That's the end of it.

um yeah and slade has a precog also......so comical to constantly debate a super popular hero with a villian that constantly takes on people way above street levelers as common enemies.

Originally posted by soleran30
um yeah and slade has a precog also......so comical to constantly debate a super popular hero with a villian that constantly takes on people way above street levelers as common enemies.

Anyone that can beat on the JLA can take out SM with ease. Seriously. Anyway, i don't think that qualifies as precog as more of a sort of midnighter-esque use of his incredibly strategic brain functioning incredibly quickly. Fast enough to know what you're gonna do before you do it and so on. I give it to Slade.

Like a wise man's sig once said "The next stroke's the Deathstroke"

~wickerman~

That was no wise man, that was a god.

How many times has Spider-Man beat people like Rhino,Green Goblin Hobgoblin Hydro Man people equal or Superior to him and won.

Never?

Without a plot device or if he's fighting someone MILDLY RETARDED(Rhino,Green Goblin Hobgoblin Hydro Man), he doesn't do well.

Spiderman just isn't very good at fighting people who are smarter and better fighters and aren't half wit idiots.

Spiderman takes this. He also has ranged attacks but he's more agile, stronger and has the spider sense.

Spiderman 7-8/10

You throw Slade into a lava pit, he'll still come back for you the next second !!!

MetaGrenades can seal off the arachnoid ability, Can spiderman beat the whole Teen Titans, NO, Slade can


Slade is a psycho ninja, like me, and that makes him the best dude below Herald level.......

Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
You throw Slade into a lava pit, he'll still come back for you the next second !!!

MetaGrenades can seal off the arachnoid ability, Can spiderman beat the whole Teen Titans, NO, Slade can


Slade is a psycho ninja, like me, and that makes him the best dude below Herald level.......

Spiderman has two eyes ! He has depth perception

MetaGrenades will shut his powers !!! Then, he will get raped !!!

Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
MetaGrenades will shut his powers !!! Then, he will get raped !!!

Spiderman webs the grenade before it can reach him. It blows up Slade instead!

When it blows up, Slade will grow back with HIS POWERS !!! HE IS IMMORTAL !!!

Heck, he can strap on a c4 belt to himself, hug spidey, and blow up !!!

Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
When it blows up, Slade will grow back with HIS POWERS !!! HE IS IMMORTAL !!!

Heck, he can strap on a c4 belt to himself, hug spidey, and blow up !!!

Even if he comes back, Spiderman already won by KO

Oh my God........ why do you let such stupid people in KMC ??

I let everybody in, even you.

Slade because long pig said so.

Originally posted by Psycho Ninja
You throw Slade into a lava pit, he'll still come back for you the next second !!!

MetaGrenades can seal off the arachnoid ability, Can spiderman beat the whole Teen Titans, NO, Slade can


Slade is a psycho ninja, like me, and that makes him the best dude below Herald level.......

I wont make any comments to any fights with Spiderman until I know his
new powers and abilities.

Slade wins.

Btw, I keep seeing people talking about Slade's promethium blade breaking, when it simply isn't the truth. His old blades were made out of "italian steel", those are the ones that -- on still rare occasion -- would break. In his series he consistantly got new upgraded weapons, armor, and increased powers... every few issues he'd get one or the other or all of them. He's got a like James Bond has Q that makes him new equipment all the time..

Spider-man wins but only just. The reflexes are about equal, maybe a slight edge to spidey.. Speed goes to spidey, so does strength, agility. Range goes to deathstroke, though spideys webbing will be a huge nusicience for slade.

Peter takes this but after a long hard fight...............

With Prep obviously Slade but without I see it going to slade 8/10 times.
Strength goes to Spidey obviously.
Speed I think still goes to spidey but not as much as you think.
Reflexes Slade for all purposes has pre cog because his super brain pretty much instantly sees the situation and comes up with the perfect counter for it.
Weaponry no contest Slade all the way.
Fighting goes to Slade without a doubt.
Anyway what I got to say is this Spidey usually has trouble with people that even though maybe aren't as strong or fast can still give him hard times in fights because they are better fighters. Kraven for instance.
Slade has seen and coountered the speed of Flash and Kid Flash so I don't think Spidey wil overwhelm Slade with his Speed and agility.
Fact anyone of Slade's weapons will bascially end this fight. Slade has a healing factor so even if Spidey does hit him once Slade will heal from any damage he gets.

Originally posted by spiderboy5
slade is not a god........

No...but he's close

Slade wins btw....more ruthless....I see him taking about half without prep and taking the majority with prep.

Tale of the Tape

Spider-Man's abilities/equitment/talents

Abilities

Spider-Sense
Wall Crawling
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Equitment

Web-Shooters-Which can be used for the following along with the grab and pull.

Web Shield
Web Parachute
Web Hang Glider
Web Missiles

Spider-Light
Spider-Tracer
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Talents

Chemistry
Physics
Photography


Deathstroke's abilities/equitment/talents

Abilities

Hyper Inteligence
Hyper-senses
Infravision
Regeneration
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Equitment

Body armor suit
Knives x5
Sniper Rifle
Staff
Sword
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Talents

Leadership
Military
Pilot
Detective
Espionage
All Fighting Styles
All Weapons Styles
Weapon Specialist: Firearms

I think both men have a chance at winning in this one ,but who would win at the end.

Is it a straight fight? Or do they not know the other is there?
Also, how much prep-time?

In the end, Spideys unorthodox fighting style MIGHT throw Slade off enough to get him, but Slades also incredibly skilled. If it's not dead even, Slades got the advantage.

I don't give Spidey very good odds a'tall.

Those descriptions are taking away some of Slade's best weapons, (Promethium nets, uberpowered grenades) and he's still winning 7/10. Amazing.

also DS is metahuman! What a 5 tonner plus super reactions 10 times normal humans! DS wins because he is lethal and won't get all witty with SM until after he wins lol.

Slade's healing/durability is quite a bit more than people here give him credit for.
Flash said punching him is like punching a brick wall. He can heal from basically something close to open heart surgery in a few seconds.

Talents

Chemistry
Physics
Photography

woah well I think spiderman can come up with an antiheal serum with that background or he can determine the elements in the weapons used to bash his skull to oblivion while he determines the velocity and dtermine the exact speed of impact of himself hitting the ground along with the total force distributed over his body as well as set up a nice snap photo of himself with DS looming over him and send it into J.Jameson

This match of depends with prep-time or if they are bloodlusted or not. W/ prep time, Slade has better chances since he's tactical ability is just better. However it is by no means easy.

W/o preptime by normal portrayals, Peter takes the majority or tossup. He is just nigh uncatchable for Slade and his stats trumps him in every way cept thinking and regen. Bloodlusted though, Spider-man would tear him a new one.

And skill and weapons....and experience.

Everything else, SM is only slightly ahead. If Spiderman gets shot, he dies. Or if he gets stabbed or blown up or gased or plasma blasted....

Slade wins because he has more ways to win than parker.

Originally posted by long pig
And skill and weapons....and experience.

Everything else, SM is only slightly ahead. If Spiderman gets shot, he dies. Or if he gets stabbed or blown up or gased or plasma blasted....

Slade wins because he has more ways to win than parker.

Which he really doesn't need considering his stats more than makes up for it.

Spider-man get's shot only when he becomes careless or ignores his spider-sense. He even testified to how useless bullets are on Friendly neighborhood Spidey by PAD and on his spectacular comic before. grenades could only do so much unless his opponent has considerably less mobility which is unfortunate for him here.

How many ways can Slade get if his Spider-sense along with his reflexes could see a danger coming everytime. It's not like Slade even knows how he functions nor his abilities which are innate. A couple of punches would be enough to put the lights on him and bullets only heal given some time. He could still die like being ripped apart or beheaded.

The only way Slade is winning this would be going with normal portrayals would be slim and hard fought.

He's never faced someone in Slade's league who weilds this type of fire power. Punisher shot him before.

Also, his staff shoots blasts that are fast enough to hit speedforcers. Spiderman is no speed forcer.


How so? Although Spiderman is more agile, Slade is also superhumanly agile and just as fast.
Spiderman's durability is notoriously low cosidering his strength level, one of Slade's meta-grenades would end this in a hurry. Superboy k.oing grenades.


A few hundred? Spiderman can see danger before it happens, doesn't mean he can't be overwhelmed.


Not really. Slade's taken harder punches even when depowered. If anything, SM would pray not to get close. He'd get gutted or netted.

Originally posted by long pig
He's never faced someone in Slade's league who weilds this type of fire power. Punisher shot him before.

What?!? He just faced tracer quite recently. The guy who made Ironman look like a fool. He didn't that well but considering his terminal illness was kicking in....

And likewise Slade has never fought someone like him before. The closest he did was Aquaman who smashed his face for even trying. Aquaman is a lot stronger than Spidey, but he has better reflexes and could get more punch at slade than him.

Also, his staff shoots blasts that are fast enough to hit speedforcers. Spiderman is no speed forcer.

His staff have been confiscated by J'onn and he is nowhere near as fast to hit him when pete's dead serious.

How so? Although Spiderman is more agile, Slade is also superhumanly agile and just as fast.
Spiderman's durability is notoriously low cosidering his strength level, one of Slade's meta-grenades would end this in a hurry. Superboy k.oing grenades.

Uhmm... spiderman has more than 20x reflexes that of a human, a bullet timer and has faced people like Speed Demon. Not to mention the fact that his SS tells him a danger and where it is coming from. Slade meanwhile facing flash and the JLA is so ludicrously PIS it ain't funny.

A few hundred? Spiderman can see danger before it happens, doesn't mean he can't be overwhelmed.

It can be overwhelmed.......by people like Morlun who Slade doesn't even hold a candle to. Slade is nowhere near that level, he is like Captain America with less h2h skill, with regen and a bit more on stats with some equipment good for dealing against non-mobile low level metas.

Not really. Slade's taken harder punches even when depowered. If anything, SM would pray not to get close. He'd get gutted or netted.

Like who? And i doubt it if Slade could even manage to get one slash in given that Spider-man's reflexes borders pre-cog.

spider-man wins 6/10

Uh Slade beet Bart thats a hella of alot faster then speeddemon..........kid flash has reflex's FAR FAR FAR beyond spiderman and is faster then DS still takes it.........

The only time they fought was when Slade was half powered. And Slade still had the upperhand.


And? Slade is as fast as thought....not your thought, HIS thought. 10x normal thought. He reacts 10x the speed of your thought. His reflexes are probably beyond Spiderman's.


Uh....no. He's multiples stronger/faster/smarter than cap.

Slade wins by simply outclassing Spiderman.

Originally posted by soleran30
Uh Slade beet Bart thats a hella of alot faster then speeddemon..........kid flash has reflex's FAR FAR FAR beyond spiderman and is faster then DS still takes it.........
He's beaten Bart three times. Wally 3 times.

It's what he does, he explains how in his second appearance. He sees life sort of like a speedster, very slow.

Slade ownnss.
I wish they'd give him another run.
What I think is wierd is how it seems he's just.. turning into a badguy ..?
Which has never how Slade has been portrayed.

I also thought that retcon of him being possessed by Jericho sucked and doesn't really fit into continuity.. and he had Wintergreen's head on the wall?

Spiderman loses but the Spider would kick Slades ass. Look at the sig

Originally posted by long pig
He's beaten Bart three times. Wally 3 times.

It's what he does, he explains how in his second appearance. He sees life sort of like a speedster, very slow.
How did Slade beat Wally 3 times? I know of Identity Crisis but what about the other two?

Originally posted by The Ion
How did Slade beat Wally 3 times? I know of Identity Crisis but what about the other two? He beat him in his own Deathstroke series once, and another I think was in New Titans run in the 90s.

A non cis spiderman takes slade 7/10

Originally posted by soleran30
Uh Slade beet Bart thats a hella of alot faster then speeddemon..........kid flash has reflex's FAR FAR FAR beyond spiderman and is faster then DS still takes it.........

You do know it's called SMvFL right?

Spiderman kills Deathstroke 10/10

Originally posted by long pig
The only time they fought was when Slade was half powered. And Slade still had the upperhand.

Uhmm...no. They fought in another time and Slade even manage to temporarirly blind him and getting the upperhands. Then Aquaman takes off his kiddy gloves, grabbed his feet as he was trying to execute a drop kick and smashed to the ground. He was even clearly Ko'ed.


And? Slade is as fast as thought....not your thought, HIS thought. 10x normal thought. He reacts 10x the speed of your thought. His reflexes are probably beyond Spiderman's.

That's mere hyperbole and still not as fast as spidey. If he was faster than thought, batman couldn't have given him such fights.

Uh....no. He's multiples stronger/faster/smarter than cap.

He is stronger, but stronger by a lot???. he hasn't shown any feat to prove so.

Slade wins by simply outclassing Spiderman.

And since when is this argument ever proven here. What makes Slade able to outclass Spider-man considering 90% of his options are nullified by the fact can see them coming and has the reflexes to avoid them or not to mention the fact that his physical stats is simply under him.

Why do people always act like Batman giving someone a good fight in DC comics makes the standard of that character?
"If Batman could give him a good fight, he's not that tough" bla bla.

Batman in DC is nearly invincible.
Look in Infinite Crisis, for example, when Mongol shows up, he slaps up Batman and then Superman, and Batman makes it back to the fight first, unharmed. By a guy who could throw down with The Hulk. How about the time Batman threw down with Metron, the New God? Or the time he threw down with Darkseid? Or in Hush when he threw down with Superman? Or the numerous times he's thrown down with Wonder Woman? Or Batman vs The WHite Martians by himself or in Spectre, when he actually threatened to beat Hal as the Spectre?

Uhmmmm....yes. Slade was indeed half powered, if that much when they fought. Slade blinded AM, danced around him(Even while depowered, DS is fast) and only got tagged once. He then outsmarted AM and brought the house down on him. ALL WHILE DEPOWERED! He beat Hal Jordan the same issue.

He was K.O'd? Would you stick by that statement?

Jesus..people. Know what you're talking about before babbling.


Ah, so you know more about him than his creator?

It'd be hyperbole if Slade didn't prove it over and over and over and over and over. But he does, and you're wrong.

Originally posted by long pig
The only time they fought was when Slade was half powered. And Slade still had the upperhand. Upperhand? I wouldn't put it like that. He's basically on the run from Orin for most of the fight. He is however analyzing Orin, looking for a weakness. When he finds one and exploits it, he still doesn't quite gain the upperhand. He doesn't gain any advantage until he collapses the building on Orin and then it's over. You're right about him being half powered though.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Upperhand? I wouldn't put it like that. He's basically on the run from Orin for most of the fight. He is however analyzing Orin, looking for a weakness. When he finds one and exploits it, he still doesn't quite gain the upperhand. He doesn't gain any advantage until he collapses the building on Orin and then it's over. You're right about him being half powered though. Which was after he took down Flash and Green Lantern.

Originally posted by Juntai
Which was after he took down Flash and Green Lantern.


Did he? cause the only time i recall him taking down flash was on identity crisis which is one of the king of crap fights. WTF is that?

Originally posted by Juntai
Which was after he took down Flash and Green Lantern.
It was indeed. That wonderful aura of his.

Originally posted by long pig Uhmmmm....yes. Slade was indeed half powered, if that much when they fought. Slade blinded AM, danced around him(Even while depowered, DS is fast) and only got tagged once. He then outsmarted AM and brought the house down on him. ALL WHILE DEPOWERED! He beat Hal Jordan the same issue.

Half-powered? care to show any proof of that? And even if he is half-powered, what makes would make you think it would go different considering Aquaman is class 70


He was K.O'd? Would you stick by that statement?

Jesus..people. Know what you're talking about before babbling.

Yes, i would stick to the argument he was K.O'd. It was momentarily but enough for Aquaman to leave without anymore opposition from him.


Ah, so you know more about him than his creator?

It'd be hyperbole if Slade didn't prove it over and over and over and over and over. But he does, and you're wrong.

Nope, just the usual "if there is nothing in comics to prove it, don't bother". When has Slade shown he could lift about 5 tons?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yes, i would stick to the argument he was K.O'd. It was momentarily but enough for Aquaman to leave with anymore opposition from him. Oooooh... You're gonna wish you hadn't said that...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Oooooh... You're gonna wish you hadn't said that...

Well even if i'm wrong, that would hardly be anything to give Slade some more props aside from taking a single slam to the wall/floor by orin in the jolly good times of DC

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Did he? cause the only time i recall him taking down flash was on identity crisis which is one of the king of crap fights. WTF is that? He's taken Wally down a few times, and Kid Flash/Impulse a few times, and other super-speeders too.

I sure can.
And yes, it'd make a difference. He'd been faster, stronger and able to heal better than he was when he fought. With his weapons, and without AM & GL having the advantage of suprise and prep, he could have at least stalemated AM if not outright beaten him.


Annnnd....you're wrong. Not K.O'd or even hurt very badly for that matter.


Picked up massive cables, ripped huge doors off it's hinges, broken wrists by squeezing them with one hand, punched through concrete, stomped the ground and put a small hole in the pavement....on and on.

You just refuse to accept it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Why do people always act like Batman giving someone a good fight in DC comics makes the standard of that character?
"If Batman could give him a good fight, he's not that tough" bla bla.

Batman in DC is nearly invincible.
Look in Infinite Crisis, for example, when Mongol shows up, he slaps up Batman and then Superman, and Batman makes it back to the fight first, unharmed. By a guy who could throw down with The Hulk. How about the time Batman threw down with Metron, the New God? Or the time he threw down with Darkseid? Or in Hush when he threw down with Superman? Or the numerous times he's thrown down with Wonder Woman? Or Batman vs The WHite Martians by himself or in Spectre, when he actually threatened to beat Hal as the Spectre? He does indeed have one of the most potent jobber-aura's in both major comic universes.

Half-powered? care to show any proof of that? And even if he is half-powered, what makes would make you think it would go different considering Aquaman is class 70


--He was not only halfpowered, but pretty much competely depowered to the level of a regular human, after the Batman/Deathstroke crossover and for nearly the next ten issues until he died of a heart-attack and came back more powerful than ever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He does indeed have one of the most potent jobber-aura's in both major comic universes.
HehehEHHEHEhehe....

Imageshack ain't letting me post scans. Dammit, xmarksthespot...I assume it's your fault!

Well if he is indeed halfpowered and completely depowered, that would make it more SMvFl than it already is against a guy who lifts oil tankers.

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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Well if he is indeed halfpowered and completely depowered, that would make it more SMvFl than it already is.

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He did it with SKILL alone. That's why he's so potent when powered up.

Originally posted by long pig
Imageshack ain't letting me post scans. Dammit, xmarksthespot...I assume it's your fault! Yes... I am blocking you with my control over the universe and all that dwells within it...

HA!
I called xmarksthespot on his evil plan to keep me from posting scans, and he fleed, allowing me to post.

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Originally posted by long pig
HA!
I called xmarksthespot on his evil plan to keep me from posting scans, and he fleed, allowing me to post.

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Hal wants to kick him in the nuts...

Classic.

Originally posted by long pig
He did it with SKILL alone. That's why he's so potent when powered up.

Slade is no Shiva without the upgrades. How would skill allow him to even damage Aquaman who is by far faster, stronger and has him on every stats cept brain process? Only reason why he'd logically survive was his equipment that Spider-man can predict right before he even launches any.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Slade is no Shiva without the upgrades. How would skill allow him to even damage Aquaman who is by far faster, stronger and has him on every stats cept brain process? Only reason why he'd logically survive was his equipment that Spider-man can predict right before he even launches any.
He's very close to shiva. Gail Simone, on her website, says she sees no difference between Shiva/Slade in the skill depo.

So, the writers say he's equal, the writers say he can hang with Flash for a few steps, the writers say he can lift 5 tons...but you say otherwise? Hmm...are you srank?

How would he beat AM? By shooting/stabbing/netting/blowing him up. Slade's arsenal is MADE to handle people like Superboy. AM, at that time, was below current Superboy.

Oh, and I doubt AM is more agile or a better fighter than DS.

Originally posted by long pig He's very close to shiva. Gail Simone, on her website, says she sees no difference between Shiva/Slade in the skill depo.

Yeah....... not that depowered that is

So, the writers say he's equal, the writers say he can hang with Flash for a few steps, the writers say he can lift 5 tons...but you say otherwise? Hmm...are you srank?

The writers can say all they want. AFAIK Slade has never done anything to prove that in his appearances. And do you also think 5 tons means really that much to Spider-man who is going by 15 tons and could exert more in comics?

How would he beat AM? By shooting/stabbing/netting/blowing him up. Slade's arsenal is MADE to handle people like Superboy. AM, at that time, was below current Superboy.

Once more...equipment. AM doesn't have the spider-sense to warn him of attacks Slade could use to suprise him with. Slade arsenal is made to handle people it could hit. And AM at that time until now didn't get any upgrades AFAIK cept for the TP increase and hand replacements(water, harpoon)

Oh, and I doubt AM is more agile or a better fighter than DS.

Better fighter yeah. More agile doubtful. Bearing on this match, not that much any difference.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Yeah....... not that depowered that is
I...what?




He proved it in every comic he's ever been in. Especially his comics where he's depowered. He's taking on superhumans with skill alone.

Spiderman lifts 15 tons, it's alot, but doesn't mean very much when there is little skill behind it. A normal human can break huge bricks and boulders by using skill. Slade is skilled to the highest degree, his 5ton strength will be used more effectively than Spiderman's less-skilled 15 ton strength. When Slade punches SM, it'll HURT....BADLY. When Slade goes for nerve strikes...SM will FEEL IT.

Slade's suit is a hell of a lot more durable than Spiderman's skin.


For god's sake, man. Spiderman can be hit. He gets hit every issue. He can't dodge everything. Remember Goblin? How does Goblin overwhelm Spiderman's Spider sense? Tons of grenades. Hm....I wonder if Slade has tons of grenades?

Slade also has radar similar to Daredevil's built into his suit. That'll help warn him of attacks, too.


Doesn't matter at all actually.

I've said it millions of times...at the end of the fight, Slade is K.O'd and Spiderman is dead. A stalemate, but only one will wake back up.

But, let's recap.
Who's stronger? SM
Faster? Equal. SM gets the slight edge only due to his spidey sense.
Smarter? Slade
More Agile? SM. No doubt about it. But, Slade's agility is still superhuman.
More Durable? Slade (Flash said hitting Slade is akin to hitting a brick wall. Plus the healing)
Better Fighter? Slade, by multiples.
Better Weapons? Slade, by multiples.
Better Healing? Slade, but a lot.

3-5, Slade has him beat. But....I could see a stalemate.

Its tempting to go with Spiderman on this one, but I think Slade would take him down. Slade is a legitimate threat to members of the JLA, that has to mean something. If Kraven can take down Spiderman, Slade would kill him.

Originally posted by long pigI...what?

She was referring to the current slade along with everything he is now.

He proved it in every comic he's ever been in. Especially his comics where he's depowered. He's taking on superhumans with skill alone.

Nope. He took most of them with considerable one-sided prep. The other times that happen could be dismissed off as PIS like kazar taking on thanos.

Spiderman lifts 15 tons, it's alot, but doesn't mean very much when there is little skill behind it. A normal human can break huge bricks and boulders by using skill. Slade is skilled to the highest degree, his 5ton strength will be used more effectively than Spiderman's less-skilled 15 ton strength. When Slade punches SM, it'll HURT....BADLY. When Slade goes for nerve strikes...SM will FEEL IT.

He has fought guys with skill similar to Slade and won, not because of skill alone but because his stats speak for themselves and his instincts. And Spider-man also has developed his own methods on fighting based a lot on his power set and has acknowledged having protocols just like most people in MU to take down other hero/villain. His punches would effect Spider-man in some way but he'll turn the table by predicting his next moves and smack him around.

Slade's suit is a hell of a lot more durable than Spiderman's skin.

While that's true. Spider-man's durability allows him to hang with the Hulk, Rhino, Scorpion, etc without having Slade's regen.

For god's sake, man. Spiderman can be hit. He gets hit every issue. He can't dodge everything. Remember Goblin? How does Goblin overwhelm Spiderman's Spider sense? Tons of grenades. Hm....I wonder if Slade has tons of grenades?

Uhmmm GG is near his level in stats, has bullet proof armore w/ semi bulletproof skin, has tons of equipment specifically designed for fighting him and knows his identity not to mention being obsessed with him. Yes Spider-man can get hit, that's true. But it's somewhere also along the lines of Spider-man being able to disarm Slade of his weapons or Knock him out with several blows. Most of the time he got his was because of good' ol CIS of ignoring his SS. Other's are just plain PIS.

Slade also has radar similar to Daredevil's built into his suit. That'll help warn him of attacks, too.

Radar??? You know, it's not radar sense and would only be helpful if he's trying to find possible ambush and not on actual fights.


Doesn't matter at all actually.

I've said it millions of times...at the end of the fight, Slade is K.O'd and Spiderman is dead. A stalemate, but only one will wake back up.

A K.O is enough to get a win. Spider-man getting killed is just a possibility along with Spider-man ravaging Slade's body enough, regen couldn't help him.

Here's a good Slade agility feat.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5453/sladesuperman7yh.th.jpg

One blast from his staff, and SM is dead.
His staff is pretty powerful. Even at low setting it's enough to blow up a helicopter.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1761/sladestaff8in.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
She was referring to the current slade along with everything he is now.

Uhm...no.
The question was posed to answer this exact question. Is Slade as skilled as Shiva? Yes, he's written as her equal in skill. The question of Flash v Slade was posed to wolfman, he said Slade can indeed hang for the first few steps.



He took them with prep and without prep. He's taken on a couple dozen thugs and beat every single one without being touched....all while depowered.




No, not really.

Ever wonder why SM villains are all dumb/crazy/obssessed? Because SM isn't good at fighting people who are more skilled AND smarter than he is.



Some way?

Spiderman's durability is horribly low. He'd feel it 99%



It keeps Spiderman from taking to higher ground and blindsiding Slade. Once SM realizes Slade's abilities, he'd not want to fight up close.

As shown here, the "web the mouth" thing won't really work.

Slade talks about actually not having to breath. He said he'd stay underwater forever and still be concious.
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7636/sladebreath7de.th.jpg

His plasma canon shoots fast enough to hit Flash. He also trips up Flash.

Slade is just on a different level than web-head

Originally posted by long pig
Uhm...no.
The question was posed to answer this exact question. Is Slade as skilled as Shiva? Yes, he's written as her equal in skill. The question of Flash v Slade was posed to wolfman, he said Slade can indeed hang for the first few steps

Actually there was no mention of whether she was referring to his raw skills alone. Don't forget that the process of turning him into meta also reflects on his thinking process and stats. He developed his latent skills through them. And no, i think it's bs that Slade can hang with Flash unless of course Flash is jobbing.

He took them with prep and without prep. He's taken on a couple dozen thugs and beat every single one without being touched....all while depowered.

But you're missing the point. Most it comes with prep and there is no denying that.

No, not really.

Ever wonder why SM villains are all dumb/crazy/obssessed? Because SM isn't good at fighting people who are more skilled AND smarter than he is.

Riiiiiight. how come 40 years of the character disagree with you? GG alone could prove more than a match or equal to DS. The only reason you are seeing Slade alive till now is that plenty of people job to him. He figts people who can downright murder him when provoked like the titans.

Some way?

Spiderman's durability is horribly low. He'd feel it 99%

wow, just wow. Horibly low. Care to try to make a fight between slade and the hulk, or ironman 2020, or digger, or other brick who are multiple folds stronger than Slade?

It keeps Spiderman from taking to higher ground and blindsiding Slade. Once SM realizes Slade's abilities, he'd not want to fight up close.

???

counter for nearly every projectile he throws cept the rifle
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2387/spidermanmissilecatch0pr.th.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3524/spidermanwebcatch9kr.th.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8616/spidermanwebshield8pw.th.jpg

not durable??

fight with hulk



fight with Namor



what's that lone pig? 99%

how bout speed and SS

blitzing/maximum spider/whatever it is called





money makes the world go 'round but SS and reflexes slows it for you



some more coming right after probably tom.

He shot the flash.nuf said. no way in HELL is spiderman dodging ANY shot by slade. Spiderman can't predict slades moves because slade thinks a minimum of 10x as fast as spider-man.oh and he shot the Flash.I know I already said that but it bears repeating because compared to the flash spider-man is standing still.

Please people. do not stoop down like that. Flash is FTL faster than even big blue himself if he wants to. There are things like inaccuracies, PIS, SMvFl that exists. That feat with Flash just happens to overload the PIS meter. Someone who can evacuate an entire city within a span of some seconds, go so fast he time travels and dimension hops, vibrate to allow phasing, use IMP fall under a guy who is just superhumanly enhance is just plain bs.

Slade is great, i would admit that. This fight isn't as lopsided as people might get the impression of me protesting, however this just doesn't go to Slade's favor. And the feats entailing anyone in the main JLA crew such the flash or his other counterparts like Kid Flash/Impulse is just plain jobbing.

One more thing, I already provided a scan on how Pete views the surrounding a while ago.

Wow. Look Slad is a tough guy, but Spider-Man wins. He doesn't own but he wins. How is Slade's reflexes faster than Spider-Man's?! So Slade's is 10x human. Spidey's is 40x! Its in his handbook if you wanna check. Spidey is stronger, faster, more agile, has better reflexes, plus has his spider-sense. Deathstroke has his weapons, but Spidey won't get touched. Plus he has his webs. Deathstroke is strong, but by the time he manages to break free Spidey hits him with a speed blitz. Spidey wins 7/10

LOL people people its not like DS hangs with flash at FTL speeds its his first few steps building up the speed.....................read and get off your high horse! DS smokes SM then goes out to get a bite to eat.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL people people its not like DS hangs with flash at FTL speeds its his first few steps building up the speed.....................read and get off your high horse! DS smokes SM then goes out to get a bite to eat.

Riiiiiight. As if Flash goes below the speed of sound nowadays or is it that IC appearance or shooting Kid Flash's kneecaps again?

Fact of the matter is that it's plain bs. Flash at first few seconds could take Deathstroke along with Spider-man

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Riiiiiight. As if Flash goes below the speed of sound nowadays or is it that IC appearance or shooting Kid Flash's kneecaps again?

Fact of the matter is that it's plain bs. Flash at first few seconds could take Deathstroke along with Spider-man
well the comics say otherwise.If he only did it once I'd agree with you but he does it CONSISTANTLY and with other speedsters as well

Originally posted by superbatman86
well the comics say otherwise.If he only did it once I'd agree with you but he does it CONSISTANTLY and with other speedsters as well

Exactly how many times has he done it to flash? the only prominent one was on IC when he was already well-versed in the abilities Speedforce grants him, the rest happened when he was a noob to the speedforce or just travelling just along the speed of sound. Tell me just how many post-crisis showings does he have against flash? 2, 3 that's hardly what i call constantly.

But hey Flash's rogue gives him a decent fight, why don't we just say the same about them being able to hang with him just like Slade. It's PIS folks.

It's not PIS when that's how he was made to be. When that's what his creators say he can do.

You just don't want to accept it. That's your problem.

Spiderman gets a hole in his chest about 2 feet side. Slade doesn't just have meta-grenades, he had meta-bullets, too.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1434/bullet15xm.th.jpghttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8909/bullet22zv.th.jpg

Originally posted by long pig
It's not PIS when that's how he was made to be. When that's what his creators say he can do.

You just don't want to accept it. That's your problem.

Spiderman gets a hole in his chest about 2 feet side. Slade doesn't just have meta-grenades, he had meta-bullets, too.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1434/bullet15xm.th.jpghttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8909/bullet22zv.th.jpg

Simply because it's plain bs when someone like Flash is downplayed with someone on the level of Slade. And it is PIS no matter how much you try to deny it specially when you yourself commented that he only thinks 10x that of human speed while Kid Flash alone could proves absurdly faster than that. Like I already said, both Spider-man or Flash would fell in nanoseconds to Flash if it was written properly.

You can claim all you want whatever but once again, bullets no matter how much they are strong to penetrate are near useless to someone who can predict right before the bullet leaves the gun and dodge as it's incoming. Even your scans fail you while slade was manhandled by that team or the fact that those guys aren't even on par with Peter.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Simply because it's plain bs when someone like Flash is downplayed with someone on the level of Slade. And it is PIS no matter how much you try to deny it specially when you yourself commented that he only thinks 10x that of human speed while Kid Flash alone could proves absurdly faster than that. Like I already said, both Spider-man or Flash would fell in nanoseconds to Flash if it was written properly.

You can claim all you want whatever but once again, bullets no matter how much they are strong to penetrate are near useless to someone who can predict right before the bullet leaves the gun and dodge as it's incoming. Even your scans fail you while slade was manhandled by that team or the fact that those guys aren't even on par with Peter.
He was weakened....

By what? If you knew anything about Deathstroke, you would have known already. In truth, I counted on you to point it out, showing you haven't even read his comics. Proving you can't base your claims.


His thought and reactions are one. Instantaneous.
Do you know how fast reacting at 10x normal human thought is?
286MPH. http://druniverse.wsu.edu/QandA.asp?questionID=25894

286x10= 2,860mph

Can he run that fast? Hell no. Can he react that fast? Yep...as shown countless times.

....Fast enough to hit a cruising Flash with staffs and blades and kicks and punches. Flash cruises somewhere around the speed of sound. So that puts him right there where it's plausable.

Fast enough to hit Spiderman with anything he wants.

Originally posted by long pig
He was weakened....

By what? If you knew anything about Deathstroke, you would have known already. In truth, I counted on you to point it out, showing you haven't even read his comics. Proving you can't base your claims.

Or that if you already know he was weakened along with having no bearing in the match, you wouldn't have posted it in the first place only to say that later when it's criticized. And if you read my post again, you should get the impression that I hardly cared and based that on the scans you provided.

His thought and reactions are one. Instantaneous.
Do you know how fast reacting at 10x normal human thought is?
286MPH. http://druniverse.wsu.edu/QandA.asp?questionID=25894

286x10= 2,860mph

Can he run that fast? Hell no. Can he react that fast? Yep...as shown countless times.

....Fast enough to hit Flash with staffs and blades and kicks and punches.

Fast enough to hit Spiderman with anything he wants.

*Sigh* You do know that Flash is hellofalot faster than that? right? I won't even bother to oppose what you just said cause it's pretty much clear this his speed is pretty much null and void against the flashes and just helping the argument against Slade's showing.

And no, he's is not still not fast enough to hit Spider-man. In fact, Peter outraced 2 bullet in Friendly Neighboorhood SM just recently but only managed to only catch one since he's just experimenting on what Cap just thought him. 10x speed < 40x that of human reflexes.

You do know that Flash has to gain momentum, right? Slade consistently gets speedforcers before they get momentum.


Oh, please.
Take your "Spiderman NAVEAR GETS HIT!!" bullshit somewhere else.

This is becoming a cock knobber for spiderman similar to how cbr rumbles is.

Spiderman does get hit. And he will get hit.

Originally posted by long pig You do know that Flash has to gain momentum, right? Slade consistently gets speedforcers before they get momentum.

of course he does. For IMP, for dimensional and time travel, etc. His starting speed is just fast enough to hit slade more times than the hairs on his body.


Oh, please.
Take your "Spiderman NAVEAR GETS HIT!!" bullshit somewhere else.

This is becoming a cock knobber for spiderman similar to how cbr rumbles is.

Spiderman does get hit. And he will get hit.

And of course, you don't think the same for Slade right?

Originally posted by long pig
You do know that Flash has to gain momentum, right? Slade consistently gets speedforcers before they get momentum.


Oh, please.
Take your "Spiderman NAVEAR GETS HIT!!" bullshit somewhere else.

This is becoming a cock knobber for spiderman similar to how cbr rumbles is.

Spiderman does get hit. And he will get hit.

Although i agree with most of your post LP, Flash doesnt really need momentum to go 2,900 mph. He can pretty much do that instantly.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Although i agree with most of your post LP, Flash doesnt really need momentum to go 2,900 mph. He can pretty much do that instantly.
Although I'm sure there's random events that show this(I know of a good few), there are also random events that show otherwise.

He's just a really, really inconsistent character outside his own comic(for obvious reasons).

But, that's not the point at all....this is a bit of a red herring.
The point is Slade has the powerset and equipment to hit people/things moving faster than Spiderman could move. He's shown to be capable to hit people moving faster than Spiderman in multiple comics.
That's all that is needed here.

Spiderman will get hit here. As would Slade.

Which brings us back to the same thing I say everytime this comes up. Stalemate with both K.O'd, but Spiderman can't heal being blown in half.

Originally posted by long pig
Although I'm sure there's random events that show this(I know of a good few), there are also random events that show otherwise.

He's just a really, really inconsistent character outside his own comic(for obvious reasons).

But, that's not the point at all....this is a bit of a red herring.
The point is Slade has the powerset and equipment to hit people/things moving faster than Spiderman could move. He's shown to be capable to hit people moving faster than Spiderman in multiple comics.
That's all that is needed here.

Spiderman will get hit here. As would Slade.

Which brings us back to the same thing I say everytime this comes up. Stalemate with both K.O'd, but Spiderman can't heal being blown in half.

Youre right sir.

*sigh* I would've agreed with that if only it was a fight based on normal portrayals just like i've said and not bloodlusted. Same with the faster characters Slade has tagged.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
*sigh* I would've agreed with that if only it was a fight based on normal portrayals just like i've said and not bloodlusted. Same with the faster characters Slade has tagged.
No one in their right mind thinks Slade is faster than Flash. No one (hopefully) thinks Spiderman is either. Right?

All that is said is Slade has indeed hit multiple versions of Flashes, more than once, while they were going faster than Spiderman could ever dream of. That's all that matters, because it destroys the idea of "Spiderman is too fast to be hit by Slade.".

What it does show is the two being relatively comparable in fight/reaction speed. And with Slade having his uber weapons and gadgets PLUS superior healing and durability. It would seem to reason that it'd end in something akin to a stalemate.

I didnt read the last few posts by you guys but Slade wasn't really weakened in those posts that log pig posted, he was pretending to be. He got caught in an explotion and the doctor said he was really, really hurt and it robbed him of his powers but it was latter found out that DS owned the hospital and he was just setting it up so that Pam and Wintergreen thought he was dead.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I didnt read the last few posts by you guys but Slade wasn't really weakened in those posts that log pig posted, he was pretending to be. He got caught in an explotion and the doctor said he was really, really hurt and it robbed him of his powers but it was latter found out that DS owned the hospital and he was just setting it up so that Pam and Wintergreen thought he was dead.

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/6444/lie6az.th.jpg

Originally posted by long pig

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/6444/lie6az.th.jpg

Walkin into the sunset...

"Go get 'em Slade... go get em..."



What am I talking about?

Can't remember if it was wintergreen or Vigilante who said that. I think Vigilante.

But, I'm almost positive that Slade and wintergreen were gay for each other.

Originally posted by long pig
Can't remember if it was wintergreen or Vigilante who said that. I think Vigilante.

But, I'm almost positive that Slade and wintergreen were gay for each other.

Wouldn't surprise me...

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Simply because it's plain bs when someone like Flash is downplayed with someone on the level of Slade. Same thing w/Slade being downplayed so Batman can look formidable or Spidey getting hit by Kingpin back in the day. Flash would simply speedbeat Spidey and Slade @ the same time. They'd both be on the on the floor before their next heartbeat. Spidey wins this. He outclasses Slade on a much smaller scale than Flash does.

Originally posted by long pig
He was weakened....

By what? If you knew anything about Deathstroke, you would have known already. In truth, I counted on you to point it out, showing you haven't even read his comics. Proving you can't base your claims.


His thought and reactions are one. Instantaneous.
Do you know how fast reacting at 10x normal human thought is?
286MPH. http://druniverse.wsu.edu/QandA.asp?questionID=25894

286x10= 2,860mph

Can he run that fast? Hell no. Can he react that fast? Yep...as shown countless times.

....Fast enough to hit a cruising Flash with staffs and blades and kicks and punches. Flash cruises somewhere around the speed of sound. So that puts him right there where it's plausable.

Fast enough to hit Spiderman with anything he wants. Flash is no precog. Slade still shouldn't be able to hit Flash though. If Spidey didn't have the precog, Slade would probably take this. Spidey does have it though, so Slade loses by getting webbed and KOed.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Flash is no precog. Slade still shouldn't be able to hit Flash though. If Spidey didn't have the precog, Slade would probably take this. Spidey does have it though, so Slade loses by getting webbed and KOed.
Pre-cog can be overwhelmed by grenades.

If this fight happened 10 times in a row, with each fighter 100% recouped afterwards, the first fight Slade would lose to Peter's spidey sense. The second fight he'd have already figured out a way to counter it.

I mean, it isn't like Slade is new to people who have pre-cog. He teaches his daughter how to fully use hers.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Spidey wins this. He outclasses Slade on a much smaller scale than Flash does.

Exactly. His advantages aren't huge ones. Both of them can lift a couple tons. Spiderman is stronger, but not really by a lot. 2, 3 times at the most. (by comparison, he is 25x stronger than Daredevil or Wolverine...) He's faster, but again, not by all that much. While hitting just going and punching Flash would be PIS, Slade always tricks Wally and hits him while Flash is trying to do something else. The heart of the matter is, Slade is FAST. Not Flash fast, but fast enough to at least register that he's fighting Flash before Flash beats him up. I think him beating Impulse isn't so far fetched, when you see it happen. Impulse hits him a bunch of times, Slade predicts a shot and grabs his leg. It wasn't like he backflipped over Impulse and ninja death touched him before Bart could react... He was just fast enough to register his movements and implement his fighting skills. Spidey probably still edges him, but not by a lot.

Now, you look at Slade's advantages. Intelligence. Slade is a master tactician. Spiderman specializes in science... Fighting skills. Slade is up there with the elite of DC. He's at least Batman level, if not a good deal higher. Spiderman has a lot of trouble with good fighters who are HUMAN physically. Deathstroke is far from human. Slade's weaponry far outclasses Spiderman's. Exploding bullets, meta grenades, Promethium nets, promethium staff/sword... And he knows how to use them. Spiderman has trouble with people skilled in the use of fists. the fact that Slade uses a sword makes him that much more deadly.

All in all, I think Spiderman's rather slim physical advantages get surpassed by Deathstroke's mind and skills, both being things that give Spiderman a lot of trouble.

Uh huh, he did.

It just wasn't shown. And it's a very rare comic. You can't find it, so don't look for it anywhere.

Originally posted by long pig
Uh huh, he did.

It just wasn't shown. And it's a very rare comic. You can't find it, so don't look for it anywhere.
Filthy LAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you with your god damn BET..........

All that i can say about this match is Slade would only be taking a majority over the fight as long as it's based on normal portrayals and Spider-man is really susceptible to jobbing.

if not......

"slade, didn't you say you have a train to catch?"

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
All i can say Slade is only taking a majority over the fight as long as it's based on normal portrayals and Spider-man is really susceptible to jobbing.

if not......

"slade didn't you have a train to catch?"
That really don't mean a damn thing.Slade fights guys way stronger then spider-man.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
All that i can say about this match is Slade would only be taking a majority over the fight as long as it's based on normal portrayals and Spider-man is really susceptible to jobbing.

if not......

"slade, didn't you say you have a train to catch?"

Is Spidey mind controlled in that pic?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Is Spidey mind controlled in that pic?

nope. Extremely pissed off and bloodlusted

Originally posted by thesilverspider
That really don't mean a damn thing.Slade fights guys way stronger then spider-man.

I think i have posted some scans of him fighting namor and hulk here. But i'll post some more on that Ironman 2020 vs. him

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
nope. Extremely pissed off and bloodlusted
Slade could blow that train into nothingness.

Spiderman can only pick it up or put a few dents in it.

"slade, didn't you say you have a train to -BLAM!!!- " Dead spidey.

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/3559/afight11pk.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/4324/afight24vu.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/290/afight31wk.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7733/afight43qz.th.jpg

-edit- Er..I had forgotten why I uploaded these...

This is the costume he had that we were talking about, silverspider. Much better than the old one.

Originally posted by long pig
Slade could blow that train into nothingness.

Spiderman can only pick it up or put a few dents in it.

"slade, didn't you say you have a train to -BLAM!!!- " Dead spidey.

or that could've happen when his lights are punched out. Either way, slade hasn't matched anything of the feat strengthwise to say the margin is that slim.

"Finally your laying on your back punk. Let's put the finishing touches shall we?

*earlier quote*"

Originally posted by long pig
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/3559/afight11pk.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/4324/afight24vu.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/290/afight31wk.th.jpghttp://img486.imageshack.us/img486/7733/afight43qz.th.jpg

-edit- Er..I had forgotten why I uploaded these...

This is the costume he had that we were talking about, silverspider. Much better than the old one.

That DEFINITELY needs to go on the "owned" thread.

Oh, and when really pissed off, Spiderman tends to act... dumbassish. He fights much better when cracking jokes and such. When he's pissed, his offense goes up, but he dodges a lot less, which is what makes him good in the first place. Ideally, he should fight defensive, but still hit as hard as he can. A combo of the two, if you will.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
or that could've happen when his lights are punched out. Either way, slade hasn't matched anything of the feat strengthwise to say the margin is that slim.

"Finally your laying on your back punk. Let's put the finishing touches shall we?

*earlier quote*"
Eh?
Slade's weapons more than make up for Peter's slight strength advantage.

Peter can punch hard, so what. Slade can too, but with 10x the skill.
Peter can lift a small train, so what. Slade can blow it away with one grenade.

It's one of those things where if Slade connected with one of his weapons, he pretty much wins. If you're betting your farm that Spiderman can dodge forever and never, ever get hit by anything....well, I can't help you.

Originally posted by Dizzle
That DEFINITELY needs to go on the "owned" thread.

Oh, and when really pissed off, Spiderman tends to act... dumbassish. He fights much better when cracking jokes and such. When he's pissed, his offense goes up, but he dodges a lot less, which is what makes him good in the first place. Ideally, he should fight defensive, but still hit as hard as he can. A combo of the two, if you will.

Fighting to the best of his abilities? Uhhhmmm...Why would he act stupid again?. And if you see the scan a while ago, you'll see the confession of him using just a fraction of his strength against his past encounters. Now you posted a while ago that streetlevellers who are human physically that can hang with him, I think that pretty much covers it.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Fighting to the best of his abilities? Uhhhmmm...Why would he act stupid again?. And if you see the scan a while ago, you'll see the confession of him using just a fraction of his strength against his past encounters. Now you posted a while ago that streetlevellers who are human physically that can hang with him, I think that pretty much covers it.
It's a good thing Slade is super human physically.

Fighting to the fullest for Spiderman still means fighting to the fullest that he possibly can while still being Spiderman. He's not cut out for it, he lets his rage take over and he acts dumb.

CIS is off, but giving a character more ability to control their emotions than they have ever displayed is too much.

Originally posted by long pig
Eh?
Slade's weapons more than make up for Peter's slight strength advantage.

Peter can punch hard, so what. Slade can too, but with 10x the skill.
Peter can lift a small train, so what. Slade can blow it away with one grenade.

It's one of those things where if Slade connected with one of his weapons, he pretty much wins. If you're betting your farm that Spiderman can dodge forever and never, ever get hit by anything....well, I can't help you.

Now why would he just stand there and receive Slade's attack considering he is 4x faster than he is?

slade can punch hard, does that mean it would affect Spider-man considering he is 1/3 of his average strength depiction. Spider-man bloodlusted has been punched by Carrion 2 who upon contact repels organic matter or hulk that got angry out of his wisecracks. He recovered and against people many times over bested them physically.

Spider-man doesn't have to dodge forever. He could blitz like the scans i provided showed. Even slade isn't durable enough to withstand that beating. Sure he would heal, but he can be ko'ed.

Originally posted by long pig
It's a good thing Slade is super human physically.

Fighting to the fullest for Spiderman still means fighting to the fullest that he possibly can while still being Spiderman. He's not cut out for it, he lets his rage take over and he acts dumb.

CIS is off, but giving a character more ability to control their emotions than they have ever displayed is too much.

nope, it didn't say he was angry or any emotions conflicting his thoughts. The only time Spider-man has acted dumb when those things interfere. There's no rage here, just Spider-man fighting the best way he can.

So this is spidey acting stupid

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Because he isn't?
I know where you got the 40x comment, and it was a simple remark from Spiderman while fighting Hulk. Spiderman also said Sentry stalemated Galactus, and we don't use it as truth here. What characters say doesn't matter.

You are also confusing(even though it isn't true for spidey) 40x human reflexes with Slade's ability to react and move 10x human thought. BIG difference. SM's reflexes aren't better.


Yes, yes it does. He'd feel it only slightly less than a normal human.
Strength does not mean durability. SM has horrid durability for his strength class.
How many times have we seen SM taken out/passing out from one bullet or one stab?


You can't actually think Spiderman is capable of blitzing Slade...

Name anyone who has blitzed Slade and compare them to Spiderman.

Spiderman simply hasn't got the speed to blitz someone who basically his equal in reflexes. I mean.... Slade's mind sees life in slow motion, he basically has the mind and reflexes of a low-mid level speedster.

Do I need to post a scan of the comic explaining that he sees life in slow mo? (And since you like to use a characters own words) The scan where it's blatantly said that his reflexes make him faster than anyone in the Titans, including Kid Flash?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
So this is spidey acting stupid

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Ironman has human reflexes AND he was holding back. That scan proves nothing but Spidey being able to punch a human foe who isn't fighting back.

Originally posted by long pig
Because he isn't?
I know where you got the 40x comment, and it was a simple remark from Spiderman while fighting Hulk. Spiderman also said Sentry stalemated Galactus, and we don't use it as truth here. What characters say doesn't matter.

You are also confusing(even though it isn't true for spidey) 40x human reflexes with Slade's ability to react and move 10x human thought. BIG difference. SM's reflexes aren't better.

Apples or Oranges? take your pick. Fact 1: that was said as he was fighting the hulk, appeared on the handbook and fits his speed feats. Fact 2: His statement about Sentry's level was only a recollection while not on battle.

Yes, yes it does. He'd feel it only slightly less than a normal human.
Strength does not mean durability. SM has horrid durability for his strength class.
How many times have we seen SM taken out/passing out from one bullet or one stab?

"Only slightly less than a normal human strength" are you with me or against me longpigg?

SM has horrid durability for his strength class...............


You can't actually think Spiderman is capable of blitzing Slade...

Name anyone who has blitzed Slade and compare them to Spiderman.

Spiderman simply hasn't got the speed to blitz someone who basically his equal in reflexes. I mean.... Slade's mind sees life in slow motion, he basically has the mind and reflexes of a low-mid level speedster.

Do I need to post a scan of the comic explaining that he sees life in slow mo? (And since you like to use a characters own words) The scan where it's blatantly said that his reflexes make him faster than anyone in the Titans, including Kid Flash?

Actually i do, his name is Spider-man along with any other speedsters he has trumped due to their jobbing.

Slade isn't equal in his reflexes. He's not even a comparable equal. And I have also posted a scan on exactly how Spidey views his world. I actually have seen scans from of those of Slade and it really doesn't impress me.

If Slade was a speedster, he would be a really really low level one to boot.

Originally posted by long pig
Ironman has human reflexes AND he was holding back. That scan proves nothing but Spidey being able to punch a human foe who isn't fighting back.

. Not fighting back

Pretzles.
Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash, and faster (where it counts the most) than present day wally. He has the feats to prove it, too.

Does that make it true?


You read wrong.

Spiderman would feel Slade's hits only slightly less than a normal human would feel Slade's hits. Either way, it'll hurt him.


Ya know, there's a point when most normal humans stop saying "He can't do that!" and start saying "Well, since he's done it so much and his creator says he can, maybe it is in his power set."

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
. Not fighting back
And your scans show otherwise?

No, they don't.

Ironman made only one single offensive maneuver in those scans, and he put it on the lowest possible setting to boot.

Originally posted by long pig
Pre-cog can be overwhelmed by grenades. How many does Slade carry?
Originally posted by long pig

If this fight happened 10 times in a row, with each fighter 100% recouped afterwards, the first fight Slade would lose to Peter's spidey sense. The second fight he'd have already figured out a way to counter it.

I mean, it isn't like Slade is new to people who have pre-cog. He teaches his daughter how to fully use hers. Is her precog on "automatic" like Spidey's is?

Originally posted by long pig
And your scans show otherwise?

No, they don't.

Ironman made only one single offensive maneuver in those scans, and he put it on the lowest possible setting to boot.

Well probably because I choose not post the rest of the scans before Spider-man got deadly serious.

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He was even handicapped with the kid.

Originally posted by long pig
Pretzles.
Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash, and faster (where it counts the most) than present day wally. He has the feats to prove it, too.

Does that make it true?

"Slade said he was faster than Kid Flash".....And you believe him?


You read wrong.

Spiderman would feel Slade's hits only slightly less than a normal human would feel Slade's hits. Either way, it'll hurt him.

Yes, like lovetaps.

Ya know, there's a point when most normal humans stop saying "He can't do that!" and start saying "Well, since he's done it so much and his creator says he can, maybe it is in his power set."

You know the same things like that happen during Pre-crisis then they try to lessen the absurdity.