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Before you get all pissy and say how crappy DD is, check out these speed feats. He's fast....real fast.


Notice it shows the bullet out in mid-flight. Then it shows a pic of how DD is standing.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4305/daredevil335p152ds.th.jpg


Notice this one it saids at the last moment as DD even catches up with the bullet itself. This was a battered and bruised DD as well.

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/832/amazingspiderman287214mr.th.jpg


Here's him just batting away a bullet.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9369/daredevil6cc5ba.th.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7932/daredevilthemanwithoutfear05pg.th.jpg


http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5872/daredevilthemanwithoutfear05pg1.th.jpg

Daredevil runs straight at and directly into the automatic gunfire pointed his way, with the text specifically saying he "effortlessly" glides out of the bullets' ways...

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6669/daredevilannual10076bb.th.jpg


Daredevil easily batting away bullets again--this time, shotgun fire.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/544/elektra11021wo.th.jpg

lol.. I just saw those scans aswell.

Anyway, everyone seems think Batgirl outclasses DD. Not me. I think DD wins 6/10.

That's right, you heard me.

Wow! Sweet scans LP. Truthfully i think this battle would be close. Eventhough many say Cass is way more skilled than DD, i think that they both would have a hard time connecting hits on each other. If DD is written to his full abilities, noone should ever lay a hand on him when it comes down to h2h combat. No he cant predict moves, but he does know when they are coming due to muscles tensing and wind trajectory. Much like the dodges bullets. Honestly, i think it can goeither way. I really cant decide.

Well im off to work now. Happy Turkey Day everyone! Be back soon!

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
lol.. I just saw those scans aswell.

Anyway, everyone seems think Batgirl outclasses DD. Not me. I think DD wins 6/10.

That's right, you heard me.
Were you as impressed as I was? I thought "Wtf? DD is uber!"

I prolly should mention I stole these scans....

Originally posted by jrodslam
Wow! Sweet scans LP. Truthfully i think this battle would be close. Eventhough many say Cass is way more skilled than DD, i think that they both would have a hard time connecting hits on each other. If DD is written to his full abilities, noone should ever lay a hand on him when it comes down to h2h combat. No he cant predict moves, but he does know when they are coming due to muscles tensing and wind trajectory. Much like the dodges bullets. Honestly, i think it can goeither way. I really cant decide.

Well im off to work now. Happy Turkey Day everyone! Be back soon!

Don't eat too much Turkey....and don't drink too much Turkey either!

Yeah, Belting bullets back at people is way more impressive than dodging them. I mean, who hasn't dodged bullets...

DD swatting back bullets already in flight? I don't buy it, seems like PIS to me. This would imply DD can perceive, process and respond at supersonic speeds. Nope, sorry, nada, ain't buyin' it.

That said, I still think he'd take Batgirl cuz - all else being equal - he's bigger and stronger. DD wins 6 or 7 outta 10.

she's waayyy better a fighter, she has the ability to see hits before they happen around equal to him. And she seems to be kinda superhuman strength and speed wise. Yeah I'd say Batgirl wins.

Daredevil is the f*ing man.

they have done this before. batgirl wins.

The skill gap between DD and Cass is only about the same as between Cass and Bats... except DD is physically superior.

i luv dd. but i luv batgurl too. it would be a good fight but in the end she takes it. i mean even batman givs props and iz lik she may be tha best. didnt she beat shiva also. she iz ruthless. he has a chance tho. im not sayin he doesnt and i wouldnt say itz a lopsided fight either. long drawn out. good fight

Batgirl

That's some ninja skills over there...

DD wins.

Originally posted by Mindship
DD swatting back bullets already in flight? I don't buy it, seems like PIS to me. This would imply DD can perceive, process and respond at supersonic speeds. Nope, sorry, nada, ain't buyin' it. Seriously, he just did it like 7 times. I think that's too many to be considered PIS...

And he's probably done it other times aswel...

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Seriously, he just did it like 7 times. I think that's too many to be considered PIS...

And he's probably done it other times aswel...
That's what I was about to say. He's done it so much, it seems like a signature move.

I know of about 4 more times he's done the same exact thing.

I have a comic with him actually looking at the bullets cutting through the air. He states that his senses track the bullets and the waves as they cut through the air.

I also have one with him about the get shot by 3 archers and he catches all 3 arrows at no more than 20 feet away. Daredevil is just badass.

His comic book is actually good too!

Originally posted by long pig
Before you get all pissy and say how crappy DD is, check out these speed feats. He's fast....real fast.


Notice it shows the bullet out in mid-flight. Then it shows a pic of how DD is standing.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4305/daredevil335p152ds.th.jpg


Notice this one it saids at the last moment as DD even catches up with the bullet itself. This was a battered and bruised DD as well.

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/832/amazingspiderman287214mr.th.jpg


Here's him just batting away a bullet.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9369/daredevil6cc5ba.th.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7932/daredevilthemanwithoutfear05pg.th.jpg


http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5872/daredevilthemanwithoutfear05pg1.th.jpg

Daredevil runs straight at and directly into the automatic gunfire pointed his way, with the text specifically saying he "effortlessly" glides out of the bullets' ways...

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6669/daredevilannual10076bb.th.jpg


Daredevil easily batting away bullets again--this time, shotgun fire.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/544/elektra11021wo.th.jpg



Very nice cans LP. I actually own the rags those scans came from (very good stories also). And yes, DD is the man.
However I also own quite a number of Batgirl comics as well, and I am just as knowledgeable with her feats as with DD's.
DareDevil is amazing .....but he loses to Batgirl.

Batgirl is basically an enhanced version of Maya Lopez .....and extremely enhanced version.
And Maya Lopez basically wiped the floor with DD.

And as for feats .....while DD has some pretty wicked ones Batgirl (Cassie) has done things that should definitely be ranked as meta .....easily.

Batgirl wins this.

Originally posted by 8bitChris
His comic book is actually good too!
Hmm. I kinda like her book. Shame it might be getting cancelled.

Hell no! We need a DD fanboy and I just happen to be one. Batgirl charges in stupidly like most sidekicks of Batman have been shown to do over the years. She goes for a roundhouse kick to the face and Matt just simply backhands her into a wall effortlessly. He then fights Batman in the actual fight and wins. He did fight the Hulk people something she never could do. As a matter of fact Dazzeler owns her as well.

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/8203/ddnamor8kh.gif
Respect.

DareDevil is a Marvel hero she is a wannabe compared to him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/8203/ddnamor8kh.gif
Respect.

Dam DC. Thats like a double edged sword there. Yes Daredevil does need more respect around here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Dam DC. Thats like a double edged sword there. Yes Daredevil does need more respect around here.

Double edged sword?

^ Yea. Like eventhough DD is battered(down side), Namor stil gives him the highest respect above all other heroes(up side).

batgirl never had a good writer. batgirl sucks like sh@t! Altough i am not a fan of dd, hes still pretty good.batgirls ssucckks. as i say,ironman kills em all but for this fight, i think its dd

CRIPPLE FIGHT

A mute (former) Versus a blindman

Batgirl, i like dd (hell i even liked the dd movie) but batgirl takes this.

Yes, Maya Lopez beat DD, but DD knew who Maya Lopez was and really didn't want to fight her, if you recall

I say daredevil can win this fight. He has the experience edge and he is used to fighting people stronger and faster than him.

I say that Batgirl wins she a much better fighter and ability to read movements around those of Daredevil's

I think it's an even split. they're just too well matched up. Both have bullet-time speed, ways of predicting an opponent's moves and sick skills. Batgirl may have a slight edge in that she can do move mimickry, kinda like Echo and Taskmaster. But, since she hasn't done that too often, I don't think it gives her enough of an edge to take a majority.

I would say her better skills edge things out for her. She is all that she is by martial arts skills alone that in itself puts her like a couple steps above DD skillwise.

Eh. She's good, but I don't think she's more skilled than Daredevil. Besides, any minor skill gap is easily made up for in experience on Matt's part.

Matts around Nightwing level of skill. and Batman is above Nightwing skillwise. and Batgril is above Batman skillwise you do the math.

Meh, that's where we just disagree. I'd put Matt around Batman's level of skill. And, I know it's been SAID Batgirl is better than Batman, but IMO she hasn't really shown that yet.

Batman himself said it. and u know he wouldn't lie about someone being better than him. Its not his style. DD is good one of the better in MU but he to me equates NW in terms of skill. Its just his superhuman-esque agility that possibly shows otherwise. Batgirl has the skill advantage. plus fighting Lady Shiva numerous times has to count for experience alot.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Batman himself said it. and u know he wouldn't lie about someone being better than him. Its not his style. DD is good one of the better in MU but he to me equates NW in terms of skill. Its just his superhuman-esque agility that possibly shows otherwise. Batgirl has the skill advantage. plus fighting Lady Shiva numerous times has to count for experience alot.

actaully batman and DD fought and he seem pritty much batmans skill level or better

Batgirl wins with a bit of difficulty.

Originally posted by wolverine8888
actaully batman and DD fought and he seem pritty much batmans skill level or better

Didn't Batman have him in a choke hold?

Batgirl is not peak human. She's at least a step or two above it. She moves fast enough that Robin can't follow her movements, she beat freaking Shiva. That alone puts her a step above Batman, IMO. I'm gonna say Batgirl 7/10. She's a freaking meta...

DD is def not better skillwise than Bats. He could be kinda close but so is NW. which is why I put DD at NW skill level.

Originally posted by Dizzle
, she beat freaking Shiva. That alone puts her a step above Batman, IMO.
Batman beat Shiva.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Didn't Batman have him in a choke hold?


for half a second. DD tossed him over his shouler

Originally posted by Khellendros
Batman beat Shiva.
So did batgirl, but easier.

Originally posted by long pig
So did batgirl, but easier.
Shiva nearly killed Batgirl, and arguably only lost because she herself had a deathwish. Batman won and was relatively unscathed.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Shiva nearly killed Batgirl, and arguably only lost because she herself had a deathwish. Batman won and was relatively unscathed.

And they fought after Shiva did an uber chi move that she trained years to and said she could never do again... have to imagine she wasn't at 100%

If Cass and Bruce fought with out gadgets or prep, Bruce would almost certainly lose 7-8/10. Is Cass a better Ma then him? Technically... no. In fact she isn't even close, this was made pretty clear when she lost her move reading abilities. Batman said it would take years for her to start to get to his skill level with out her body reading ability. Both Shiva and Batgirl rely on this ability so technically speak the two of them are below Dragon, Hawke and even Batman in terms of pure skill.

And at the very worst DD is Batman's equal in the skill department.

All of the sudden, Daredevil seems to me very good. Cass a bullet-timer. But DD is also a bullet-timer. I mean Spidey had a hard time tagging him....Spiderman..not even Shiva can match Spidey's speed. DD is quite strong too...stood up to Sabretooth, Venom and was not defeated. Flipping a Limo...throwing 400lbs. DD might actually win!!!