Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

People seem to think he is on par with Galactus, (doubt it tho) so how would he do against a celestial? Any that you choose.

And no, this isn't a mismatch, at least according to 11inches.

Exitar swats him like a nat.

anyone of the celestials would step on his ass

And you guys can say this because you've seen Superman Prime in....?

You don't know his powers at all.

No-one does, because they've hardly been displayed.

So don't bother saying things like that.

Zephro, does that also mean the reverse can't be said as well? That since his powerset hasn't been explored, that he can beat a celestial is not worth bothering to say?? Good for the goose and all that jazz.....

Kubik is on par with Galactus and Exitar is way more powerful then Kubik.

Originally posted by golem370
Kubik is on par with Galactus and Exitar is way more powerful then Kubik.

not aimed at you...superman is a hero that fanboy are using and ruining his rep

Originally posted by UniOmni
Zephro, does that also mean the reverse can't be said as well? That since his powerset hasn't been explored, that he can beat a celestial is not worth bothering to say?? Good for the goose and all that jazz.....

That's exactly what I'm saying, Uni.

People don't know his power levels, so there's no way at all for them to say 'Yes - he can beat a celestial' or 'no - he can't.'

Because they simply don't know.

He may only be more powerful than current Superman by a factor of ten - this wouldn't be enough.

He may be more powerful than Pre-Crisis Superman and can sneeze universes out of existence with one nostril.

We don't know.

Therefore what is the point of making Superman Prime threads?

your wisdom is palpatable. I can taste the shame.........So mods, delete my thread. One Mind Over All gives you leave...

Prime is more powerful than a 5th dimensional Superman which is in the Supes Dynasty...which should make him impossibly powerful.

Either way, its not much of a fight to judge.

Maybe Supes Prime could do more than Classic Thor did to Exitar. But will be defeated.

Can Mxy beat Exitar ? HELL YEAH !!! Supez Prime can beat a fifthDer !!

Cowboy, no Superman can beat Mxy the imp. He is truly beyond death.
Prime was an exponentially increased superman. I did not realize nesting in the sun would allow him to control reality. Gotta love DC writers huh?

He's a lot more than an exponenentially increased Supes.
Apparently he gained a lot of new powers and understandings in his travels as well.
He only slept in the sun because he felt comfortable with his "heralds" taking care of business across various time and dimensions.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Cowboy, no Superman can beat Mxy the imp. He is truly beyond death.P

Hmm...

In Superman 335 '79, Myx is messing about in Metropolis.

Supes is mutated by a Kryptonian animal he's been studying.

When Myx turns the Daily Planet into paper and everyone falls out of the sky, Supes saves them and siezes the chance to trick Myx into using his magic to turn Supes back.

By scaring him....

Myx is scared of Supes. Obviously Myx knows something that we don't.

That even an Imp isn't all powerful.

Celestial wins.

That fifthDer I was talkin about wasnt Mxy, tis Supez 1 Mil !!! He's no chicken, he's da leader othe Justice Legion !!!

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Obviously Myx knows something that we don't.

That even an Imp isn't all powerful.


I think Myx knows that in DC, nothing is beyond a punch.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
anyone of the celestials would step on his ass Originally posted by Beyonder
Celestial wins. No way. do you realise how powerful superman prime is?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I think Myx knows that in DC, nothing is beyond a punch.

Yup!

Originally posted by eleveninches
No way. do you realise how powerful superman prime is?

Cube beings control and alter reality on at LEAST a planetary scale. (The beyonder was 1/2 a cube being, for reference.)

Celestials are FAR, FAR more powerful than a cube being.

They're still below galactus tho. (galactus absorbed and killed the renegade/dreaming celestial)

Celestial wins

Any of the Celestials would squash any version of Superman.

Originally posted by eleveninches
No way. do you realise how powerful superman prime is?

I realise that Prime needed help resurrecting the dead. And his enemy was Solaris, a living sun.

Do you realise that Prime might not even be Skyfather level? And that Skyfathers are below Cube Beings, who are below Celestials?

Originally posted by Beyonder
I realise that Prime needed help resurrecting the dead. And his enemy was Solaris, a living sun.

Do you realise that Prime might not even be Skyfather level? And that Skyfathers are below Cube Beings, who are below Celestials?

Nowhere in the storyline does it say that Prime needed help with anything. He doesn't even keep the last GL ring.

Solaris having a hate for Superman means nothing towards gauging Primes power levels. Luthor is currently Supermans enemy, doesnt mean he can't crush him easily.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Nowhere in the storyline does it say that Prime needed help with anything. He doesn't even keep the last GL ring.

Ressurecting his wife. Using the GL ring to beat Solaris, a weapon Solaris had not encountered before.



Solaris was owning the heck out the Supes dying nasty and Kryptonite weapon against Prime. He needed the GL ring to beat Solaris.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Ressurecting his wife. Using the GL ring to beat Solaris, a weapon Solaris had not encountered before.



Solaris was owning the heck out the Supes dying nasty and Kryptonite weapon against Prime. He needed the GL ring to beat Solaris.

Wrong. Nowhere did it say that he needed anything to defeat him, and he doesnt even keep the ring.

If you have proof that he needed anything, show it.

Lets just say that Prime can't beat any Celestial, and no Celestial(except Exitar or TOAA) can't beat Prime. We don't know enough about his powers to gauge properly.

Galactus is not above any Celestial Exitar would beat him like a Mule.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wrong. Nowhere did it say that he needed anything to defeat him, and he doesnt even keep the ring.

And nowhere did it show him beating Solaris without a GL ring.

Exitar, Dreaming Celestial, One Above All (celestial), Arishem >> superman prime

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lets just say that Prime can't beat any Celestial, and no Celestial(except Exitar or TOAA) can't beat Prime. We don't know enough about his powers to gauge properly. There we go.

Originally posted by golem370
Galactus is not above any Celestial Exitar would beat him like a Mule.


This thread isn't about that but I gotta disagree. Galactus is above Celestials.

Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
This thread isn't about that but I gotta disagree. Galactus is above Celestials. In purpose and imporance and at full power maybe, but in normal showings he gets foiled by heros often enough. That's probably what they were judging by.

Originally posted by Beyonder
And nowhere did it show him beating Solaris without a GL ring.

Which means what exactly? Nothing.
1 move crush, drops the ring. If he needed it, he would have kept it.

Like many have said, no real way to judge this.
If Prime really is more powerful than a full blooded imp supes, then he crushes any celestial. Period.
The world will never know.

Avalone, when was it stated that Prime was more powerful than a full blooded imp?? Superman 1 Million isn't a full blooded imp, remember?
He is at the end of a line of Superman descendents. Through time and Bloodline dilution, he may not compare to any full imp like say Mxy. Gotta remember that the farther one gets from the original primal source, the weaker the line grows. I don't buy that Prime is stronger than any imp, seeing as how Mxy is beyond death, and thats something Superman never conquered. He may outsmart Mxy(though i believe thats just so Mxy can have fun), but i doubt any version is more high powered than him.

They said Prime was the most powerful of his dynasty which included a full blooded Imp. That's the one who helped him recreate Lois. 1 Million is half imp.

Then that makes no sense. Once i marry a white woman(i'm black), nobody from the resulting dynasty can be considered full anything, if they don't marry into the family. See my point? Its genetically impossible. A full blooded imp cannot claim blood ties with Superman. And if you disagree, please explain your reasoning.

He or she doesn't carry the bloodline. He's an imp who took on the Superman title. At least this is the way I took it.

Until they clarify whether they're an imp who took on the mantle of Superman, or is of the bloodline, i won't believe that Superman Prime is more powerful than any imp. Sorry. Too much of those comics were hyperbole.

DUDE< its a HALF IMP !!!

Originally posted by UniOmni
Avalone, when was it stated that Prime was more powerful than a full blooded imp?? Superman 1 Million isn't a full blooded imp, remember?
He is at the end of a line of Superman descendents. Through time and Bloodline dilution, he may not compare to any full imp like say Mxy. Gotta remember that the farther one gets from the original primal source, the weaker the line grows. I don't buy that Prime is stronger than any imp, seeing as how Mxy is beyond death, and thats something Superman never conquered. He may outsmart Mxy(though i believe thats just so Mxy can have fun), but i doubt any version is more high powered than him.

I'm not talking about Superman 1M, I'm talking about LZYXM LTPKZ which is a 5th dimension Superman. 2 completely separate characters. Prime is said to be by far the most powerful of the whole dynasty.

Good bio on 1m though, I'm sure that will be handy to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_One_Million

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm not talking about Superman 1M, I'm talking about LZYXM LTPKZ which is a 5th dimension Superman. 2 completely separate characters. Prime is said to be by far the most powerful of the whole dynasty.

Good bio on 1m though, I'm sure that will be handy to others.

If he isn't related to Prime by blood, then by the definition of dynasty, he isn't included. A dynasty is connected by blood. No full blooded imp can claim relation to Superman. Like i said, DC 1 Million was too much confusion and hyperbole. How can any being from this dimension be more powerful than anybody from the 5th d, who can control anything in this universe on a whim?? Like i said, hyperbole. Just like Superman saying that MM is more powerful than him. DC makes its rules, then disregards them. Unless you think Prime = galactus.
And newayz, the thread is about Prime vs. Celestials. And i put celestials = Imps.

Originally posted by UniOmni
If he isn't related to Prime by blood, then by the definition of dynasty, he isn't included. A dynasty is connected by blood. No full blooded imp can claim relation to Superman. Like i said, DC 1 Million was too much confusion and hyperbole. How can any being from this dimension be more powerful than anybody from the 5th d, who can control anything in this universe on a whim?? Like i said, hyperbole. Just like Superman saying that MM is more powerful than him. DC makes its rules, then disregards them. Unless you think Prime = galactus.
And newayz, the thread is about Prime vs. Celestials. And i put celestials = Imps.

All very good reasons, but the 5th dimension doesnt follow our 3rd dimensional rules. It is still stated that the 5th dimensional imp is in the dynasty, and that prime is the most powerful. So it should be assumed that he is.

Hyperbole? Maybe...but in comics most things are.

Scathan, Tiamut, Arishem or Exitar destroy Prime

No contest.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Until they clarify whether they're an imp who took on the mantle of Superman, or is of the bloodline, i won't believe that Superman Prime is more powerful than any imp. Sorry. Too much of those comics were hyperbole.

Seeing as they all draw power from him, its quite feasible. And the fact that it was stated on panel doesnt hurt either.

Originally posted by UniOmni
If he isn't related to Prime by blood, then by the definition of dynasty, he isn't included. A dynasty is connected by blood. No full blooded imp can claim relation to Superman. Like i said, DC 1 Million was too much confusion and hyperbole. How can any being from this dimension be more powerful than anybody from the 5th d, who can control anything in this universe on a whim?? Like i said, hyperbole. Just like Superman saying that MM is more powerful than him. DC makes its rules, then disregards them. Unless you think Prime = galactus.
And newayz, the thread is about Prime vs. Celestials. And i put celestials = Imps.

Unless a superman married an imp, then thier child married an imp, and then every member of that line married ONLY imps until superman-prime got out of the sun. That would make him as good as full blooded imp. The kryptonian blood would be mnonexistant.

Any of the Celestials should beat Prime

Realistically, even if superman-prime has only the power of half an imp, that is still more than enough to destroy a celestial. Way more than enough.

this is getting old fast. Sure prime is powerful but he's still limited he has a static set of powers which can be worked around and out prefromed. Any celestial would stomp him into super paste, and that's only if they feel he's worth the time.

How can you say that about a character with next to no feats?

Its funny how people see superman and celestial in the same sentence and dont even take into account that he has no feats and automatically say that he gets pwned.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Its funny how people see superman and celestial in the same sentence and dont even take into account that he has no feats and automatically say that he gets pwned. because we are taking a character with realtively speaking limited abilities and sticking him up against a being with vast enough powers to rival a well fed galactus

Originally posted by lando005
because we are taking a character with realtively speaking limited abilities and sticking him up against a being with vast enough powers to rival a well fed galactus

A limited number of feats? We havent seen him do anything, so how can so be so presumptuous as to even make a conclusion?

I said that IF in fact superman-prime did have the power of half an imp, that would be enough to beat a celestial. I never claimed that he did. I only implied that he MIGHT. I have not made a conclusion because I dont have enough information yet to do so. Earlier I thought that we were talking about countdown superman-prime.

Originally posted by Sirius77
A limited number of feats? We havent seen him do anything, so how can so be so presumptuous as to even make a conclusion?

I said that IF in fact superman-prime did have the power of half an imp, that would be enough to beat a celestial. I never claimed that he did. I only implied that he MIGHT. I have not made a conclusion because I dont have enough information yet to do so. Earlier I thought that we were talking about countdown superman-prime. what are you talking about i didn't say anything about feats

This is crazy we all know he solos the whole Celestial race and Chuck Norris.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This is crazy we all know he solos the whole Celestial race and Chuck Norris. nobody solos Chuck Norris except for Mr T. and Bruce Lee

SMP is on par with Galactus? ROFL, so Superman Prime is able to make heralds like Silver Surfer etc??

Originally posted by Terryc250
SMP is on par with Galactus? ROFL, so Superman Prime is able to make heralds like Silver Surfer etc??

1. Versatility is not power.

2. No.

Originally posted by lando005
what are you talking about i didn't say anything about feats

My bad, I probably got this thread confused with another one. But I still dont see how someone that is over an imp would loose to a celestial.

Originally posted by Sirius77
How can you say that about a character with next to no feats? Originally posted by Sirius77
Its funny how people see superman and celestial in the same sentence and dont even take into account that he has no feats and automatically say that he gets pwned. Originally posted by Sirius77
A limited number of feats? We havent seen him do anything, so how can so be so presumptuous as to even make a conclusion?
Originally posted by Sirius77
My bad, I probably got this thread confused with another one. But I still dont see how someone that is over an imp would loose to a celestial.
...

What?

Originally posted by Sirius77
What? I am sorry but lol.

Originally posted by Sirius77
What? Superman Prime went from having no feats to being above an imp in less than a page...

Doesn't matter which Celestial, Prime dies.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Superman Prime went from having no feats to being above an imp in less than a page...

I was saying if he was above an imp, then he would win.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I was saying if he was above an imp, then he would win. Originally posted by Sirius77
But I still dont see how someone that is over an imp would loose to a celestial.

Oh please, I could beat a Celestial, just kick it in the nads.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist


My implication was IF he was an imp. I didnt realize that you hung on my every word like that. Ill have to watch my implications.

So, to clear things up, I dont know if Superman-prime (the gold one) is over an imp. That ONE statement that I made was made with the understanding that IF he was an imp this would happen. So, until he shows feats to prove this claim, then I really dont have anything to say on the matter. But IF he was stronger than an imp, then he would win. So, with that said, I really dont see the point of the thread if people cant even mention "what if" scenarios.

Ziran the Tester

http://i102.imagethrust.com/t/910396/eternals1908.jpg http://i105.imagethrust.com/t/910397/eternals1909.jpg http://i113.imagethrust.com/t/910398/eternals1917.jpg

Most likely the celestial would win

Even if Superman Prime was as powerful as Pre-crisis Superman, Pre-Crisis superman at best did galaxy damage, Odin was able to blow up many galaxies easily and even create a galaxy, but still couldn't do squat to a celestial.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Most likely the celestial would win

Even if Superman Prime was as powerful as Pre-crisis Superman, Pre-Crisis superman at best did galaxy damage, Odin was able to blow up many galaxies easily and even create a galaxy, but still couldn't do squat to a celestial.

Yeah and SMP has survived the destruction of a universe.

So did the Fury