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Who wins with no prep?

Shiva has my vote

too tough to say.....

In skill they are around equal (although I give Elektra the slight nod in the area) but the kicker is that Elektra has low-mid level telepathy and a whole slew of ninja mind tricks; she is way of the top. In pure skill the fight would be wicked with Elektra edging out 6 out of 10 but all out with out any bars on her abilities its bretty close to a clean sweep for Elektra.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In skill they are around equal (although I give Elektra the slight nod in the area) but the kicker is that Elektra has low-mid level telepathy and a whole slew of ninja mind tricks; she is way of the top. In pure skill the fight would be wicked with Elektra edging out 6 out of 10 but all out with out any bars on her abilities its bretty close to a clean sweep for Elektra.

When did Elektra get telepathy? I don't remember that.

Issue two of her Marvel Knight solo title? Maybe issue one... not sure. Used her mind tricks on some shield opperative.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In skill they are around equal (although I give Elektra the slight nod in the area) but the kicker is that Elektra has low-mid level telepathy and a whole slew of ninja mind tricks; she is way of the top. In pure skill the fight would be wicked with Elektra edging out 6 out of 10 but all out with out any bars on her abilities its bretty close to a clean sweep for Elektra. i agree but shiva can beat elektra about 6.5/10

Even if Elektra has some ninja mind tricks(which I don't consider telepathy) Lady Shiva would have knowledge of them too as she is skilled in every known and unknown form of MA.

IMO this is a really cool match up........

I'd give it to shiva on this one.

yeah Shiva the only woman The Batman fears.

Ka-Bump

elektra for sure ,-

Shiva would win the majority.

Why?

I reeeeeally don't know. but I'l give the edge to Electra.

Current Elektra wins...Old Elektra gets beat easy!

Shiva has the skill advantage, no question. But current Elektra's feats maybe thrown out at this point. *cough* Skrull *cough*

bumprav

Shiva.

elektra

Elektra wins. She has impressive speed feats and I rate her physical stats over Shiva's. However skill wise I think Shiva edges out Elektra.

In DCU, Shiva is always been the top 2 best on it's earth. Elektra is a probable top 5 in marvel earth. In pure h2h Shiva 6/10. With mind tricks, Elektra 5.5/10

Shiva 5.5/10

Originally posted by joesha28
In DCU, Shiva is always been the top 2 best on it's earth. So it goes KK then Shiva?

Originally posted by joesha28
Elektra is a probable top 5 in marvel earth.

yeah, but those top 5 are all > Shiva so this is a bum argument from the start.

Elektra is faster, JUST as skilled, just as ruthless, more durable and has jedi mind tricks she takes a solid 7-8. Without jedi powers, she still takes a solid 6.

Originally posted by joesha28
In DCU, Shiva is always been the top 2 best on it's earth. Elektra is a probable top 5 in marvel earth. In pure h2h Shiva 6/10. With mind tricks, Elektra 5.5/10

It seems White Canary is above Shiva. And would be a better fight for Elektra.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/158494-117579-lady-shiva_super.JPG

This woman....

Top 5 martial artists in the MU are obviously above Shiva since their cosmic characters and no Elektra isn't one of them.

Even if you go by people who are on earth shes still not that high especially considering her recent fight with black widow.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Top 5 martial artists in the MU are obviously above Shiva since their cosmic characters and no Elektra isn't one of them.

Even if you go by people who are on earth shes still not that high especially considering her recent fight with black widow.


Which recent title and issue did Elektra fight Black Widow? Would like to see it. I think I'll stile side with Elektra on this one because of overall record.

Originally posted by SasuOna
considering her recent fight with black widow.

everyone has low showings,

It wasn't even that. Elektra was talking it out with BW trying to figure out why she was being spied on. It was practically a sparring match.

Originally posted by jinzin
It wasn't even that. Elektra was talking it out with BW trying to figure out why she was being spied on. It was practically a sparring match.

According to Sas it was an indication of Elektras failings as one of the most formidable earth bound MAs in Marvels mainstream, but meh.

Originally posted by Juk3n
everyone has low showings,

Elektra's low showings is Black Widow stalemating her in what was essentially a spar for information. Shiva's are losing to Tim Drake in spar and Huntress stalemating her in an exhibition match. What's worse?

Originally posted by Juk3n
According to Sas it was an indication of Elektras failings as one of the most formidable earth bound MAs in Marvels mainstream, but meh.
Well, Sas says a lot of things.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra's low showings is Black Widow stalemating her in what was essentially a spar for information. Shiva's are losing to Tim Drake in spar and Huntress stalemating her in an exhibition match. What's worse? hmm.. hard to say.. i mean Robin had a whistle that is a game changer right there.

Shiva.

Originally posted by King Castle
hmm.. hard to say.. i mean Robin had a whistle that is a game changer right there.

Rape whistle?

Originally posted by jinzin
Rape whistle? robin attached a whistle to his bo staff to distract Shiva whenever he moved his staff

distracting her to get the upper hand in the sparring match

Tim beating Shiva while she was poisoned is a good gauge of her skill?

Originally posted by SasuOna
Tim beating Shiva while she was poisoned is a good gauge of her skill?

That isn't the example we are talking about...

huntress used extreme pis. shiva was playing with her in the beginning of the battle. huntress even stated she could have easily beaten her. gail said the same thing on the boards.

Elektra.

Anyone know the title/issue number of Elektra sparring with Blackwidow?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Anyone know the title/issue number of Elektra sparring with Blackwidow?
It from Black Widow new mini , perhaps issues 3 to 6 but not 100% sure.

Originally posted by Juk3n
So it goes KK then Shiva?


No. Dragon or Cassandra then Shiva, depending on when you're talking about.

KK's the best on Earth centuries after she's dead, and often not based on Earth at that.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
huntress used extreme pis. shiva was playing with her in the beginning of the battle. huntress even stated she could have easily beaten her. gail said the same thing on the boards.

aye. it seemed pretty clear to me.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It from Black Widow new mini , perhaps issues 3 to 6 but not 100% sure.


Thanks. I definitely don't see this as some kind of sparring session those are more like Falcon vs Buck's fight or the recent Cap vs Shang fight. This once had much more substance.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4493/blackwidow03005.th.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1729/blackwidow03006.th.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3008/blackwidow03007.th.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5445/blackwidow03008.th.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3757/blackwidow03009.th.jpg


Awesome stalemate.

Here's another match that they had anime style. Thanks to jrodslam.

DD is such a pimp.



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http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4216/vfxmarvelai10212zr.th.jpghttp://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7941/vfxmarvelai10222pg.th.jpghttp://img124.imageshack.us/img124/981/vfxmarvelai10237np.th.jpghttp://img124.imageshack.us/img124/24/vfxmarvelai10240za.th.jpg

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thanks. I definitely don't see this as some kind of sparring session those are more like Falcon vs Buck's fight or the recent Cap vs Shang fight. This once had much more substance.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4493/blackwidow03005.th.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1729/blackwidow03006.th.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3008/blackwidow03007.th.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5445/blackwidow03008.th.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3757/blackwidow03009.th.jpg


Awesome stalemate.

There's a recent cap/Shang fight?

Originally posted by joesha28
There's a recent cap/Shang fight?

Yup from Secret Avengers. Shang threw Cap and then Cap elbowed Shang, so it was basically a draw.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thanks. I definitely don't see this as some kind of sparring session those are more like Falcon vs Buck's fight or the recent Cap vs Shang fight. This once had much more substance.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4493/blackwidow03005.th.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1729/blackwidow03006.th.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3008/blackwidow03007.th.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5445/blackwidow03008.th.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3757/blackwidow03009.th.jpg


Awesome stalemate.
no problem. I agree it was a fight. Though I believe elektra would soundly beat black widow. Black widow a lot better then people think.