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who wins this fight?

Webhead wins

Spidey , via long range attacks.......

Spiderman. Iron Fist is just a normal human who can punch in a funky way...

Well in their last fight IF didnt do to well, but apparently in his new series hes got even better.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well in their last fight IF didnt do to well, but apparently in his new series hes got even better.

Yes, he is better... Now, he just need skill enough to tag an opponent who is a few... 10 times as fast as himself? 50 times as strong?

Originally posted by Morton Ford
Yes, he is better... Now, he just need skill enough to tag an opponent who is a few... 10 times as fast as himself? 50 times as strong?

Well anyway from what I say of their last fight IF loses 10/10. He doesnt really stand a chance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well anyway from what I say of their last fight IF loses 10/10. He doesnt really stand a chance.

Yeah.

Originally posted by Morton Ford
Yes, he is better... Now, he just need skill enough to tag an opponent who is a few... 10 times as fast as himself? 50 times as strong? You're SORELY underselling Iron Fist.. Spiderman isn't even twic as fast as Danny Rand is.. And with the Iron Fist technique Danny can punch boulders and steel beams into debris.. completely shatter them, I've never seen Spiderman do that to steel...

It's to note that Steel Dragon an IF wannabe put Spiderman on the defensive and probably would have killed him until Danny showed up.
IF can win this, he just probably won't.

which fihgt are you reffering to alf?

Which was their last fight? To my knowledge, they've had at least three.

Two stalemates, and one where Iron Fist certainly looked the superior.

Iron Fist is plenty fast enough to keep up with Spidey - his chi sees to that. If he tags Pete with a high powered Iron-Fist, Spidey's out.

Not to mention the fact that he's recently doubled his chi.

....

Iron Fist can take about 5/10. .

Originally posted by Soljer
Which was their last fight? To my knowledge, they've had at least three.

Two stalemates, and one where Iron Fist certainly looked the superior.

Iron Fist is plenty fast enough to keep up with Spidey - his chi sees to that. If he tags Pete with a high powered Iron-Fist, Spidey's out.

Not to mention the fact that he's recently doubled his chi.

....

Iron Fist can take about 5/10. .

wait when was their last fight soljer?

Originally posted by jinzin
You're SORELY underselling Iron Fist.. Spiderman isn't even twic as fast as Danny Rand is.. And with the Iron Fist technique Danny can punch boulders and steel beams into debris.. completely shatter them, I've never seen Spiderman do that to steel...

It's to note that Steel Dragon an IF wannabe put Spiderman on the defensive and probably would have killed him until Danny showed up.
IF can win this, he just probably won't.

Actually, Danny's punched through steel WITHOUT the use of the Iron Fist....

Originally posted by Morton Ford
Yeah.

Have a look at these scans, it not obvious but if you read between the lines Spiderman could have finished him very easily. I like street levelers but the evidence indicates Spiderman wins.

http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist20zi.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2c2of.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2d9qf.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2e1cw.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2f2ug.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2g4pn.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2h4sn.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2i2ff.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2j7ay.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2k8xy.jpg

Originally posted by jinzin
wait when was their last fight soljer?

As far as I know, their last fight was in civil war, when Danny was disguised as daredevil.

Hmmm... From what i have just heard, Iron Fist actually COULD make it to a 1.5/10... Maybe a 2.

Originally posted by Soljer
As far as I know, their last fight was in civil war, when Danny was disguised as daredevil. I totally missed that.. scans? links?

Er ok but what about the scans I just posted? Yeah I didnt see the civail war fight.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Have a look at these scans, it not obvious but if you read between the lines Spiderman could have finished him very easily. I like street levelers but the evidence indicates Spiderman wins.

http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist20zi.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2c2of.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2d9qf.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2e1cw.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2f2ug.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2g4pn.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2h4sn.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2i2ff.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2j7ay.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsironfist2k8xy.jpg Even after that Danny was up by the next panel.. It's a miracle that th Iron Fist didn't cave Spiderman's face in there..
That feats more pro spidey than not, but it certainly warrants that Rand can win at least 2 or 3 out of 10.

Originally posted by jinzin
I totally missed that.. scans? links?

I have them, but 56k is a *****. You could always check the old civil war thread - all the issues were posted there. It was the issue where Clor kills goliath.

As far as the scans alf posted - Danny's chi was ENTIRELY unfocused, as noted during the fight, and even so, he had Spiderman on the ropes for the majority of it.

One high powered punch is all Danny needs. And, for this fight, his Chi will be focused and more than twice as powerful as it was in the one you posted. Fist can definitely make it 5/10.

Originally posted by jinzin
Even after that Danny was up by the next panel.. It's a miracle that th Iron Fist didn't cave Spiderman's face in there..
That feats more pro spidey than not, but it certainly warrants that Rand can win at least 2 or 3 out of 10.

Yeah but you need to remember that wasnt a full force punch. If Spiderman had hit him with full force theres a good posibility that he would have been Koed or killed.

Also did you notice that IF hardly touched Spiderman and was only able to get him by distracting him by talking to him.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but you need to remember that wasnt a full force punch. If Spiderman had hit him with full force theres a good posibility that he would have been Koed or killed. Same for when Danny hit him with the iron fist.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Also did you notice that IF hardly touched Spiderman and was only able to get him by distracting him by talking to him. Yes but look back on what Soljer said, you think that doesn't make a difference?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but you need to remember that wasnt a full force punch. If Spiderman had hit him with full force theres a good posibility that he would have been Koed or killed.

Also did you notice that IF hardly touched Spiderman and was only able to get him by distracting him by talking to him.

Cage has beat on Danny without knocking him out. Seems there'd be little difference if Spiderman punched him.

Originally posted by jinzin
Same for when Danny hit him with the iron fist.

True but if you look at the scans above. Spiderman dodged almost everything that IF threw at him. IF had to resort to tricks.

Originally posted by jinzin

Yes but look back on what Soljer said, you think that doesn't make a difference?

Dindt see his post.

Originally posted by Soljer


As far as the scans alf posted - Danny's chi was ENTIRELY unfocused, as noted during the fight, and even so, he had Spiderman on the ropes for the majority of it.

It was let look again. Bro danny didnt have him in the ropes, your on the ropes when an opponent is laying into you. IF hardly touched him and got smacked in the mouth. If had to resort to trickery


Originally posted by Soljer

One high powered punch is all Danny needs. And, for this fight, his Chi will be focused and more than twice as powerful as it was in the one you posted. Fist can definitely make it 5/10.

Ok i'll look at the scans again ,but from what I saw If had trouble trying to hit Spiderman.


Originally posted by Soljer
Cage has beat on Danny without knocking him out. Seems there'd be little difference if Spiderman punched him.

What were the circumstances. I doubt he would have used full force.

Originally posted by Alfheim
True but if you look at the scans above. Spiderman dodged almost everything that IF threw at him. IF had to resort to tricks.



Dindt see his post.



It was let look again. Bro danny didnt have him in the ropes, your on the ropes when an opponent is laying into you. IF hardly touched him and got smacked in the mouth. If had to resort to trickery




Ok i'll look at the scans again ,but from what I saw If had trouble trying to hit Spiderman.




What were the circumstances. I doubt he would have used full force.

There have been several instances - plenty of which would have provoked cage into not holding back - like mind control, for instance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
True but if you look at the scans above. Spiderman dodged almost everything that IF threw at him. IF had to resort to tricks.
true, but Danny's also hit him before that, and apparantly since then without them.
Then again there was Steel Dragon who stole the Iron Fist and walked all over Spiderman, Danny had to come and save him and he beat Steel without the use of his chi.

Originally posted by Soljer
There have been several instances - plenty of which would have provoked cage into not holding back - like mind control, for instance.

Ok also yes it does say my chi is unfocused, no doubt he doesnt neccesarily have to use it in the form of the If technique but to increase his speed as well. The only thing I guess I could say is that since Luke is alot slower than Spiderman IF could have rolled with the punches, but even if he rolled with a full force Spiderman punch it might KO him....maybe.

Look at this. You know how people like to use that scan of Spiderman jumping around the Hulk. This looks famalir

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkblitz3iy.jpg

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok also yes it does say my chi is unfocused, no doubt he doesnt neccesarily have to use it in the form of the If technique but to increase his speed as well. The only thing I guess I could say is that since Luke is alot slower than Spiderman IF could have rolled with the punches, but even if he rolled with a full force Spiderman punch it might KO him....maybe.

Look at this. You know how people like to use that scan of Spiderman jumping around the Hulk. This looks famalir

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hulkblitz3iy.jpg

But, even in the scans you posted, it showed Danny rolling with one of Spiderman's punches.

Rolling with a Spiderman punch CERTAINLY wouldn't KO him. Daredevil's done it without being knocked out, as has Captain America, as has DANNY FRIGGIN RAND IN THE SCANS YOU POSTED.

And, yeah, Danny has a few speed feats that put him on Spidey's level when amped - like weaving between bullets by mere inches.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5669/scan0008bh7.jpg

Is it this soljer?

Originally posted by jinzin
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5669/scan0008bh7.jpg

Is it this soljer?

Their last fight? I believe so.

Very little is actually seen of it - Spidey hits Daredevil/Danny with Cap's shield, and Daredevil/Danny lays into Spidey with the billy club. That's about it, if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Soljer
But, even in the scans you posted, it showed Danny rolling with one of Spiderman's punches.

Yeah I know, but what im saying is in that scan Spiderman was not punching with full force. Remember Spiderman rarely uses full force .

Originally posted by Soljer

Rolling with a Spiderman punch CERTAINLY wouldn't KO him.

Yeah but would a full force one do it?

Originally posted by Soljer

Daredevil's done it without being knocked out, as has Captain America,

Again when DD was rolling with them Spiderman was not punching at full force..... I have seen enough evidence to indicate that Cap could take a full force punch but at any rate Spiderman probably wouldnt even connect him in H2H.

Originally posted by Soljer

as has DANNY FRIGGIN RAND IN THE SCANS YOU POSTED.

Yeah and again it wasnt a full force punch. Remember Spiderman always pulls his punches.....

Originally posted by Soljer

And, yeah, Danny has a few speed feats that put him on Spidey's level when amped - like weaving between bullets by mere inches.

Yeah.

Regardless of it not being a full-force punch, Cage WAS punching full-force. That one not knocking him out would certainly mean that Spidey's likely would not, either.

actually Spiderman has attacked Daredevil on at least two occassions with full force punches and both time dd not only rolled with them but ended up kicking Spidey to the curb before it was over.

Originally posted by jinzin
actually Spiderman has attacked Daredevil on at least two occassions with full force punches and both time dd not only rolled with them but ended up kicking Spidey to the curb before it was over.

Well if DD can do it, there is no reason why IF cant.

I just thought about if this was Spiderman vs. the Chi ridden evil Iron Fist presented in the Black Panther fight, man he would probably stomp all over parkers face too.

Originally posted by jinzin
I just thought about if this was Spiderman vs. the Chi ridden evil Iron Fist presented in the Black Panther fight, man he would probably stomp all over parkers face too.

Man he would be dead dead dead, im pretty sure IF can use his If to rip through webbing as well.

He can, he did it in their first fight...

At full power the Iron Fist can explode with a blast radius of 50 feet.

Originally posted by jinzin
He can, he did it in their first fight...

At full power the Iron Fist can explode with a blast radius of 50 feet.

.......****

basically what I thought the first time I saw that, it was like a mini DBZ moment.

Did that happen in immortal Iron Fist?

Nope it was back in the day, marvel tales or team up I believe.

He can also use his Iron Fist from a distance - hitting a wide spread area.

And, likely, can use 'lightning from god' the way two other Iron Fists' have done - one using the Iron fist out of a gun, the other using it out of arrows.

Pretty nifty.

Iron Fist wins because Spiderman has a weakness to Street Level guys with Martial Art training. It is like Kryptonite for Superman.

And yet he's still not Spiderman in speed. Daredevil plays in bullets by batting them back and even kept up with a bullet. And yet even he admits Spiderman is faster. Danny's not Spiderman level in speed.



Its still to soon to knew were Danny's at with his new power-up IMO.

But I'll go with Danny 6/10 since before he could give Spiderman some problems.

bumprav

Strength and power are two different things. Strength doesn't translate to punching power. technique does. Or in Danny's case, mystical technique. Spiderman is class 10-20 in lifting strength, but that means absolutely nothing in punching power.

Danny is unique in the sense that his punching power is mystical based, it doesn't follow the laws of science and nature. From what I read Danny's maximum Iron Fist technique has the punching power of 100 tons per square inch.

He hits way beyond harder than Spiderman, regardless of how strong spidey is.

spidey 6/10 imo.