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btw, hal jordan green lantern.

Surfer defeats both by himself.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Surfer defeats both by himself.


care to elabortate?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Surfer defeats both by himself.

You are seriously retarded.

Surfer can't beat Guy gardener and The Punisher Fate at the same time?

When i answered this thread, thats who he was fighting in my mind.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Surfer can't beat Guy gardener and The Punisher Fate at the same time?

When i answered this thread, thats who he was fighting in my mind.

WTF?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WTF?

He's pointing out that no specifics were given.

Which Lantern? Which Fate?

Meh.

Strange > Fate.

Surfer >= Green Lantern.

Team 1 wins.

i said which lantern. as for fate. i do apologize, kent nelson.

Originally posted by geshien
i said which lantern. as for fate. i do apologize, kent nelson.

I meant in the first post. Hence why the poster mentioned Guy.

Which Fate?

Kent was at least Strange's equal if not slightly superior, but every other fate except the merged fate was his inferior by a giant leap.

Surfer and Hal are close in power, but Surfer can duplicate anything Hal has ever done and he's physically superior and thousands of millions of times faster.

Originally posted by geshien
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Team One

Originally posted by long pig
Which Fate?


Originally posted by geshien
i said which lantern. as for fate. i do apologize, kent nelson.

Surfer & Strange.
The Surfer is faster, more powerful and versatile than GL.
the magic guys bore me

I could see if you think Surfer is faster (equal in flight speed), and I could even see how you think he's more powerful (wrong but acceptable) but how the hell is he more versatile?

Originally posted by Validus
I could see if you think Surfer is faster (equal in flight speed), and I could even see how you think he's more powerful (wrong but acceptable) but how the hell is he more versatile?
He doesn't know wtf he's talking about. The reason for that is D.C's fault, thought.

Matter fact, Strange and GLs are a lot alike when it comes to how they are portrayed in anything other than their own titles.

GLs seem only able to make big fists and punch/pick things up with them or make weapons like big axes. Strange is used as a guy who can teleport and shoot beams from his hands.

But yea, GL and Surfer are both equally versatile.

'scuse me, but GLs are depicted as making rather comical use of their rings. The Surfer's powers are just far more varied and dynamic. from altering dna (on a planetwide scale) to creating blackholes and travelling in time.

of course The Surfer is more versatile (and much faster - billions of times the speed of light, can the human GLs actually even process information/sensations coming at those speeds?).

just because the ring allows GLs to come up with anything they want doesn't mean that they're no longer human (and limited by the same physiology as the rest of us).

Originally posted by janus77
'scuse me, but GLs are depicted as making rather comical use of their rings. The Surfer's powers are just far more varied and dynamic. from altering dna (on a planetwide scale) to creating blackholes and travelling in time.

of course The Surfer is more versatile (and much faster - billions of times the speed of light, can the human GLs actually even process information/sensations coming at those speeds?).

just because the ring allows GLs to come up with anything they want doesn't mean that they're no longer human (and limited by the same physiology as the rest of us).

Actually Kyle integrated Kryptonian DNA into his own with the ring at one point. The ring really is only limited by imagination and will. It has an AI as well which does a lot automatically.

-FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
Actually Kyle integrated Kryptonian DNA into his own with the ring at one point. The ring really is only limited by imagination and will. It has an AI as well which does a lot automatically.

-FO!!

Aren't the rings also limited by how much energy they can channel?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Aren't the rings also limited by how much energy they can channel?

No not really the will of the user basically defines what the plasma constructs can do, both as far as integrity and scope e.g. Superman prime is able to swat a star in Solaris, we've seen it contain supernovas etc. dependent on the user. It takes a certain kind of willpower to weild the ring for instance Green Arrow a string willed guy could only make an arrow because he was cynical.

If though you mean it is limited in duration of charge in that you are correct.

-FO!!

Originally posted by janus77
'scuse me, but GLs are depicted as making rather comical use of their rings. The Surfer's powers are just far more varied and dynamic. from altering dna (on a planetwide scale) to creating blackholes and travelling in time.
GL has done all of that. Saying anyone is more versatile than GL is pretty silly. Just accept it.

Originally posted by janus77
of course The Surfer is more versatile (and much faster - billions of times the speed of light, can the human GLs actually even process information/sensations coming at those speeds?).
He's not faster in straight line flight. GL's can fly at light years per second, same as Radd.

Originally posted by janus77
just because the ring allows GLs to come up with anything they want doesn't mean that they're no longer human (and limited by the same physiology as the rest of us).
It's a comic book.

Originally posted by Validus
He's not faster in straight line flight. GL's can fly at light years per second, same as Radd.GLs can attain interstellar velocities like Surfer, however I doubt most Lantern's could keep up with Surfer's top speeds without teleporting or using portals. That'd be like saying any GL can match the Flash's top speed. Can such a thing be true?

Strange and Surfer take it.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Strange and Surfer take it.

Can surfer over come being sucked into the GL ring? and can dr. strange remove himself from a helmet dump where the power of Nabu is supreme? These things I would like to know.

Surfer has a weakness against magic. GL does not. This puts strange and Surfer at a disadvantage becuz Fate can easily put Surfer down but Strange cannot easily put GL down.

Which Fate is it? I've seen more versatility from Strange than Fate, so far...but I'm not done with Fate as of half of the 80's and most of the 90's appearances yet though. Not sure how Strange's Amulet would fare against Fate.


The only GL I see giving Surf trouble is Hal. That's always been a stalemate on these boards, which a slight lean towards Surfer.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Which Fate is it? I've seen more versatility from Strange than Fate, so far...but I'm not done with Fate as of half of the 80's and most of the 90's appearances yet though. Not sure how Strange's Amulet would fare against Fate.


The only GL I see giving Surf trouble is Hal. That's always been a stalemate on these boards, which a slight lean towards Surfer.

Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic.

This is a very good match up. These are four of my all time favorite characters.

I think Hal Jordan and Silver Surfer are a good match up, but the Silver Surfer is more powerful in the end. The power cosmic has a stronger origin and I have seen better feats from the Surfer on a consistent basis.

I have probably seen more from Dr. Strange than Dr. Fate, but I Fate can be very impressive as well. In a joint Marvel/D.C. universe probably Dr. Strange would still be Earth's Sorcerer Supreme, however. I think I'll give Dr. Fate a better chance against Dr. Strange than I would give Green Lantern against Silver Surfer, however.

So probably I would say Marvel takes it by a small margin. Either outright, or Silver Surfer takes out Dr. Fate in the event he defeats Dr. Strange.

All the characters are pretty cool in terms of overall look and M.O. as well. Dr. Strange is a bit lower in this department because his spells have that classic cool/corny combination and he doesn't have that tough looking helmet w/polo-shirt collar look that Dr. Fate has. Hal's mask basically makes the costume (they really should give John Stewart the same mask). Silver Surfer is a classic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic. Surfer is no more susceptible to magic than a GL. He's not immune to it, neither is it some sort of weakness.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Surfer is no more susceptible to magic than a GL. He's not immune to it, neither is it some sort of weakness.
I dont' think so. I think surfer is much more subjective to magic than Hal.

Lol, I was going to say that Surfer just recently had a power increase, but we havent seen that much of it, with that said I was taking that into account--we atleast say that a Power Increased Surfer and Hal stalemate? Until Strange deals with Fate long enough with a dimensional trap, time/chronal freeze, or something from his Eye of Aggy; to help Surfer with Hal.

Fate, if it's Classic Kent, is stronger, faster and more durable than Strange on a raw level, but to me Strange has shown more/versatile magical abilities and more powerful deity's to call upon than Fate. I'd say those abilities outweight the scale better than GL's ability and resistance to magic over Surfer, I mean.. he's not completely invulnerable to it, and heralds arent that helpless against magic, at Fate's level.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Lol, I was going to say that Surfer just recently had a power increase, but we havent seen that much of it, but with that said I was taking that into account--could we atleast say that him and Hal stalemate? Until Strange deals with Fate long enough with a dimensional trap, time/chronal freeze, or something from his Eye of Aggy; to help Surfer with Hal.

Fate, if it's Classic Kent, is stronger, faster and more durable than Strange on a raw level, but to me Strange has shown more/versatile magical abilities and more powerful deity's to call upon. I'd say those abilities outweight the scale better than GL's ability and resistance to magic over Surfer, I mean.. he's not invulnerable to it, and heralds arent that helpless against magic, at Fate's level.

At fate's lvl? You do realize that All Dr. Fates have the combined power of every fate before them. I'd say take every feat of every fate and compound them and you have what ever current fate there is. I dont' think Strange can dispel fate. Fate has more spells in his helm that strange could ever memorize.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
GLs can attain interstellar velocities like Surfer, however I doubt most Lantern's could keep up with Surfer's top speeds without teleporting or using portals. That'd be like saying any GL can match the Flash's top speed. Can such a thing be true?

What top speed? Surfer could barely keep up with Thor and Thanos. And this isn't a racing contest, which both Surfer and GL's are really fast in (their flight).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont' think so. I think surfer is much more subjective to magic than Hal. This is subjective and I hold an opinion opposite yours. One thing that can be objectively stated is that Surfer has never shown a weakness to magic. He's stood against Loki and Mephisto enough times to prove it.

At Dvampire: where did that come from? Neither Thor nor Thanos have outdistanced Surfer.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This is subjective and I hold an opinion opposite yours. One thing that can be objectively stated is that Surfer has never shown a weakness to magic. He's stood against Loki and Mephisto enough times to prove it.

Loki is a lame and Mephisto is a jobber. Mephisto can stand up to big G. So much for standing up to Mephisto. One Dump of surfer into nabu's world and its over for surfer before one quantum hand raises.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
This is subjective and I hold an opinion opposite yours. One thing that can be objectively stated is that Surfer has never shown a weakness to magic. He's stood against Loki and Mephisto enough times to prove it.

Loki was able to manipulate his magic on Surfer, boosting his power when he fought Thor. So he's not resistant to it either (he didn't even know until later).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal feats are far far superior to any of Surfers. Hands down. Reverse the opponents. GL's are resistant to magic actually all but immune to it. Kyle's ring was even able to Hurt the Angels. Where Surfer is weak to magic. Fate can KO surfer easily enough and then it's a double team on strange. With GL being resistant to magic.

How is Fate going to KO Surfer so easy just because magic works on him? It's not like he'll go down by one spell. He's not a pokemon.

Originally posted by dvampire
Loki was able to manipulate his magic on Surfer, boosting his power when he fought Thor. So he's not resistant to it either (he didn't even know until later). And that was a depowered version of Surfer who was still able to stalemate Loki, who could collapse skyscrapers with a touch. How does that show a weakness to magic?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Loki is a lame and Mephisto is a jobber. Mephisto can stand up to big G. So much for standing up to Mephisto. One Dump of surfer into nabu's world and its over for surfer before one quantum hand raises. I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Loki and Mephisto are both powerful magic users (not the best, but powerful). Surfer has stood against them both, so I don't see some "achilles heel" to magic.

edit: ...and the double post.

Originally posted by dvampire
How is Fate going to KO Surfer so easy just because magic works on him? It's not like he'll go down by one spell. He's not a pokemon.

Not KO. Seal his soul in the Nabu wrealm.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
And that was a depowered version of Surfer who was still able to stalemate Loki, who could collapse skyscrapers with a touch. How does that show a weakness to magic?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Loki and Mephisto are both powerful magic users (not the best, but powerful).

Surfer was at full strength combined with Loki's power, he even stated that he was stronger than he normally was. It shows that magic does effect him, because Loki was able to use magic to enhance Surfer without him knowing.

I can go that route too.

"Strange dumps them both in a pocket dimension, and then destroys said dimension."

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Originally posted by Soljer
I can go that route too.

"Strange dumps them both in a pocket dimension, and then destroys said dimension."

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except in Dr. Fate's helm, Nabu is the supreme being. There, they would have to fight thru him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
except in Dr. Fate's helm, Nabu is the supreme being. There, they would have to fight thru him.

But Strange has shown faster reaction speeds. He would get the first shot off, and Doc Fate would already be in a (obliterated) pocket dimension.

Surfer and Strange get the slight majority.
While together they have shown the ability to augment each other's powers.

Dr Strange could solo the field.

Bump

Hal Jordan and Dr. Fate

Surfer and Classic strange with.

Bump

Team 1 wins. Strange is greater than Fate and Surfer is greater than Hal Jordan.

Fate has managed to cast a spell that drove back the ALE=Source. Then destroyed a reality to keep the ALE that is=Source, in check.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Fate has managed to cast a spell that drove back the ALE=Source. Then destroyed a reality to keep the ALE that is=Source, in check. You do realize there are different Fates. Which Fate was that? Did he have help in defeating the Ale?


You do realize Strange has taken on Shuma Gorath,Dormammu,etc.