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What's Magneto's level of health and power and whatnot?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What's Magneto's level of health and power and whatnot? http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/EFhzD6EbmDRV.jpg

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What's Magneto's level of health and power and whatnot?
Let's say at his prime.

Leaning towards Magneto now. Any specific battle location?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Leaning towards Magneto now. Any specific battle location?
A suburb.

The pokemon movie mewtwo himself doesn't have much feats but...

If I recall correctly. In the game, they revealed that Mewtwo can learn any pokemon move.

So is it possible that can we give Mewtwo the power to use that toolbox?

Maybe people can post anime feats of any pokemon using any said move

Magneto wins. He has resisted telepaths before, he has his shields which have proven to be extremely durable in more than one occasion, He has plenty of metal to manipulate here, and I'm only considering obvious things here, like cars, pipes, and things like that. I do not believe that Mewtwo can battle him over control of such items and material. There's the fact that he can manipulate the iron in Mewtwo's blood.

Originally posted by Etna
The pokemon movie mewtwo himself doesn't have much feats but...

If I recall correctly. In the game, they revealed that Mewtwo can learn any pokemon move.

So is it possible that can we give Mewtwo the power to use that toolbox?

Maybe people can post anime feats of any pokemon using any said move I thought it was Mew who could learn any move.

As for the battle, I think Mags takes it for the reasons Wei Phoenix stated.

MewTwo himself is pretty powerful, he passively maintained a storm across the entire planet what would wipe out all life on earth, suppressed the powers of every pokemon on his island, and battled Mew.

I believe Omega Vision said a hurricane gives off the energy of a nuke every 20 minutes? If he's right then MewTwo's got some crazy power output for a guy who does this sort of thing passively and casually. Not sure of Magneto's feats, but manipulating MewTwo's blood is hax.

MewTwo also seems to be able to legit manipulate molecules and create things out of thin air, sort of like a mini-manhattan. He's done this with pokeballs which can insta-catch any pokemon they hit, it's possible he could do the opposite and deconstruct metal, but this is purely speculation on my part. He /did/ flatten an island in a single burst within moments of being born, though, and it didn't really look like an explosion.

MewTwo also has a shield, which and safeguard which he can learn protects him from status, anyone okay with this stopping Magneto from screwing with his blood fro some actual debate?

I also think MewTwo can think and act faster based on his shown ability to raise his shield in time to deflect lightning and other pokemon attacks, and ridiculous flight speed, but I'm not sure if Magneto has feats there, too.

Pokemon? srsly

They're serial.

Personally I don't like to argue much for stats in relation to other Pokemon, but if you guys will accept it MewTwo's psychic powers are on par with that of Dialga and Palkia's powers.

However, I was worried I overlooked something about Magneto and I looked into it. Apparently he beat the Phoenix. This worries me, how did he do that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Pokemon? srsly Pokemon is awesome.

Anyway, video time.

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1:20, MewTwo is born, is actually pretty good scene for a 4kids movie. The original scene had MewTwo angered he wasn't created by God and stuff, but yeah. MewTwo is the only pokemon ever to kill anyone on-screen.

At 3:50 he does something which could be an example of deconstructing material, but I still can't prove that.

At 4:20 he flattens the entire facility with what appears to be minimal effort. This is within moments of birth.

6:39, tosses an Onix.

6:50, catches a herd of Tauros.

7:16, easily over-powers an Alakazam

7:23, deflects lightning after it's already been fired.

8:43, another example of deconstruction with his psychic powers on the wires hooked up to his armour.

8:55, flattens yet another large building, Giovanni survives through epic PIS, and flies off at what looks to be really high speed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pokemon is awesome. Oxymoron.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
MewTwo's psychic powers are on par with that of Dialga and Palkia's powers. who the phuck are they?

Originally posted by Galan007
Oxymoron.
Some people can't get past the stigma that the anime created, but if you sit down with a pokemon game, I garuntee you'll enjoy it. They're addicting. >=(

Originally posted by psycho gundam
who the phuck are they?
The gods of time and space, they literally embody the two concepts and without them neither exists. MewTwo's special stat is, believe it or not, equal to theirs.

You should contribute to the thread.

I wanted to add into some of MewTwo's moves.

- Future Sight
- Miracle Eye (does not miss with the next move)
- Mist (protects from stat reductions, but realistically an effective smokescreen)
- Recover
- Aura Sphere (does not miss)
- Calm Mind and Bulk Up to increase some of his abilities
- Thunderbolt, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Solar Beam, Earthquake, various elemental type moves. Not sure how they help, variety I guess.
- Protect, Endure, Double Team, various protection/dodging moves.
- Flash (lowers accuracy, probably more like a Solar Flare type thing from DBZ)
- Gravity (just said to bring flying types and levitation users down to the ground, also increases the accuracy of moves) Not sure of what kind of effect it would realistically have.

Dialga and Palkia are the Pokemon dieties of Time and Space.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Some people can't get past the stigma that the anime created, but if you sit down with a pokemon game, I garuntee you'll enjoy it. They're addicting. >=( I agree that the concept of Pokemon is awesome but the Pokemon themselfs are retarded.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I agree that the concept of Pokemon is awesome but the Pokemon themselfs are retarded. Some, I agree, but if MewTwo wasn't a pokemon, I think he'd be a well-respected badass.

The games are still extremely addicting.

Slowpoke is probably the only Pokemon that is retarded. If you were to stomp on it's tail it wouldn't notice for another 24 hours.

http://www.failpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fail_thread.jpg

Why is it that people vote for matchups with characters they don't even know about, or worse, ones that have no feats to discuss except for obscure reference material that most are unfamiliar with? smh...

Originally posted by marwash22
http://www.failpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/fail_thread.jpg

Why is it that people vote for matchups with characters they don't even know about, or worse, ones that have no feats to discuss except for obscure reference material that most are unfamiliar with? smh...
..Maintaining a world wide storm that will wipe all life off of a planet, and reacting to lightning after it's fired aren't feats?

GTFO with your failpic, sir.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
..Maintaining a world wide storm that will wipe all life off of a planet, and reacting to lightning after it's fired aren't feats?

GTFO with your failpic, sir. in your haste to defend your fanboy pokemon vote, i think, perhaps, you forgot to read the portion where i said... "obscure reference material that most are unfamiliar with"

Sure, Mewtwo has feats, just like Kyle Treger has feats that i can use to argue him being able to beat the shit out of Batman. Problem is, I'm probably one of the few (if not, the only) person familiar 'Kyle XY', so making a 'Kyle vs. Batman' thread would be lame... or fail!

The first generation of Pokemon is by no means obscure. I don't know of anyone who has never played a Pokemon game or watched the show/movie.

So, are you saying it's wrong to bring in little known feats? Not that they are little known, MewTwo and his movie were popular enough at one time that he got 4 votes for Low Herald within I believe minutes of getting mentioned in the tier thread.

If someone doesn't know, this is why we provide evidence, to put them on even footing for debate. You share, you show, and everyone learns a little something.

Make a Kyle thread and post his feats, BAM, people are now aware. It's not complicated. Also, lol at fanboy pokemon vote? I've never claimed MewTwo wins, I'm simply giving feats and information.

The true fail here, is you're uncomfortable with characters who may not be the most popular appearing in cross-genre. Diversity is good. I'd rather not watch Spiderman v.s. Wolverine and Thor v.s. Supes for years. >_>

Originally posted by marwash22
in your haste to defend your fanboy pokemon vote, i think, perhaps, you forgot to read the portion where i said... "obscure reference material that most are unfamiliar with"

Sure, Mewtwo has feats, just like Kyle Treger has feats that i can use to argue him being able to beat the shit out of Batman. Problem is, I'm probably one of the few (if not, the only) person familiar 'Kyle XY', so making a 'Kyle vs. Batman' thread would be lame... or fail! Question: were you in a coma during the late 90s when 75% of all children in America were watching the Pokemon Anime?

When the movie was released it briefly held the record for the opening week of an Animated Movie (until Toy Story 2 knocked it off a few weeks later).

There's nothing obscure about FG Pokemon, in fact you could argue that world wide most comic book characters are more obscure than Mew-Two (not Magneto of course, he's very high profile).

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Question: were you in a coma during the late 90s when 75% of all children in America were watching the Pokemon Anime? Nope. I was a huge fan of the Pokemon tv show when i was kid, i also watched the first movie and I had the cards. None of that helps to discern if Mewtwo can beat Magneto in a fight.

Question: are you only familiar with the word "obscure" as it pertains to whether or not something is popular? Sure, people know who Mewtwo is, but as evident by overwhelming lack of debate thus far... no one knows exactly what Mewtwo can do... his powers are obscure! Everyone here knows what Magneto can and cannot do, you can't say the same for his opponent. Same thing occurred in the "Masterchief vs. Deathstroke" thread.


Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, are you saying it's wrong to bring in little known feats? That's not what I'm saying at all. read the above.

This is the Comic vs. forum. I would be surprised if anyone here didn't know who Magneto was, just as I would be surprised if anyone in Games vs. didn't know who Master Chief was. Similarly, I doubt many Games vs. regulars knows the specifics about Magneto's powerset, just as the Comics vs. regulars weren't aware of Master Chief's stupid books.

This is the point of the Cross-Genre threads (in my opinion, of course): to bring to light characters that not everyone may be familiar with. If this same thread were to be held in another forum, there's quite a large chance that Magneto would be the more obscure one. I myself was not aware that Magneto could control the iron in people's blood until I visited another comic based forum.

All I'm saying is just because everyone in Comic vs. knows what Magneto can do, there's not a guarantee that someone unfamiliar with comics in general will know that same information, and I happen to be one of them. But what I do know, as do Scream and Moo, is what Mewtwo can do. In this thread all I've seen both of them attempting to spread some information on Mewtwo, while no one really listened and was more concerned with with Mewtwo's status as a Pokemon (except a select few.)

I haven't seen much argument for Magneto, probably because no one seems to want to bother posting feats. And that's probably because everyone thinks that everyone else already knows what Magneto can do. And no one wants to argue what they think everyone knows.

Originally posted by marwash22
Nope. I was a huge fan of the Pokemon tv show when i was kid, i also watched the first movie and I had the cards. None of that helps to discern if Mewtwo can beat Magneto in a fight.

Question: are you only familiar with the word "obscure" as it pertains to whether or not something is popular? Sure, people know who Mewtwo is, but as evident by overwhelming lack of debate thus far... no one knows exactly what Mewtwo can do... his powers are obscure! Everyone here knows what Magneto can and cannot do, you can't say the same for his opponent. Same thing occurred in the "Masterchief vs. Deathstroke" thread.


That's not what I'm saying at all. read the above.
If you don't like people pulling out "obscure" feats then why the hell do you post in a comic book forum where people meticulously dissect comic books for every little feat and inkling of a character's power?

In any case you're derailing the thread. Either debate or leave.

you're not understanding. It's not about me liking or disliking the feats, i never said a single thing to that effect. The point is, Mewtwo doesn't have the amount of exposure (his powers aren't as identifiable as Magneto's or other characters) and that makes it hard to debate properly.

Relax guy, it's my opinion... one that seems to be supported by the fact that there isn't a whole lot of action in this thread (besides this pointless back and forth). Me pointing it out, was simply a gesture to express the futility in voting for threads in which contain characters who do not have straightforward power-sets. Telling me stfu and gfto isn't necessary as all I'm pointing out is that the thread isn't that exciting and perhaps it can be avoided in the future.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/EFhzD6EbmDRV.jpg

mewtwo, but close

these things should have polls

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
these things should have polls Eh, generally neither side is fully aware of the other side's capability, outside of the recent Kain v.s. Spidey debate, anyway.

I think it would be a bit meh.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
mewtwo, but close
MewTwo is pretty awesome powerful.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Eh, generally neither side is fully aware of the other side's capability, outside of the recent Kain v.s. Spidey debate, anyway.

I think it would be a bit meh.
it would just be nice to kno what people are thinking

I'll repeat my earlier question. How did Magneto beat the Phoenix?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'll repeat my earlier question. How did Magneto beat the Phoenix? using the iron in its blood creepsmile

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'll repeat my earlier question. How did Magneto beat the Phoenix?

In one instance, he used the bottle effect. It was an energy manipulation trick.

Was he amp'd at all? And was it some special sort of energy that only the Phoenix has?

The bottle effect? O.o

Originally posted by The Scenario
Master Chief's stupid books.

i sense some butthurt

According to this, she was killed by a large electromagnetic shock to her brain. But it also says it was retconned to have not been Magneto?



Little bit.

sexy

I say Mewtwo

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Was he amp'd at all? And was it some special sort of energy that only the Phoenix has?

NOTE: Most if not all of the scans that come from me will be credited to Batdude123

Not that I know of, either way this is Magneto at his prime. Half of those moves you listed though don't really mean much here, like an attack that doesn't miss in the game doesn't mean that it doesn't miss here, even if it were to hit then it'd only hit his shield which would more than likely tank it. Safeguard or any move that protects you from a status effect won't protect him from blood manipulation, although I don't know if it was you or Scream that said that. Mewtwo is powerful, Magneto just is as well and fast enough and keep up with him and handle things.

Mewtwo uses Gravity, Magneto reverses it.

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2884/magreflectspsychicpowerandreve.jpg

Ah, Magneto has a shield. Can we name all of the things that it repels? Or is it just anything?

And I do not see Blood manipulation being too much of a problem. MewTwo has displayed an ability to TK without a gesture, or even looking at what it is he is TKing for that matter. So his body being held in place should not matter. If he can hit Magneto hard enough, would it disrupt his hold on the blood?

MewTwo has a shield too, btw, displays it many times in the movie.

That's pretty good. How about resistance to spiritual attacks?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That's pretty good. How about resistance to spiritual attacks?

Battled Xavier on the Astral plane. Shields as well.

I'm assuming the Astral Plane is the spirit world. So does it make everything spiritual or did they retain their powers?

How is Magneto's cognitive speed? MewTwo can raise his shield to reflect a lightning bolt /after/ it's already fired. Seems reasonable he can use his other powers with similar speed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Some people can't get past the stigma that the anime created, but if you sit down with a pokemon game, I garuntee you'll enjoy it. They're addicting. >=(



Oh my god, yes.

Pokemon red and blue are among the very best games for the original Game Boy, imo.

Hmm, best I can recall is Mewtwo's shield tanking and reflecting Gyarados' Hyper Beam, and Gyarados is a known city buster, with no apparent effort. There was also the reflecting Magneton's attacks.

And, of course, the world destroying storm he maintained while simultaniously supressing several other pokemon's abilities and also fighting Mew.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm assuming the Astral Plane is the spirit world. So does it make everything spiritual or did they retain their powers?

Well after talking about it to a friend, it's more of a mental thing but I'll search for scans of him dealing with magic attacks and the likes. Still it's not getting through his shields.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How is Magneto's cognitive speed? MewTwo can raise his shield to reflect a lightning bolt /after/ it's already fired. Seems reasonable he can use his other powers with similar speed.

He dodged a blast from Cyclops point blank. He's erected a shield right before Thor and SHulk could hit him. One of my scans show him say how Jean Phoenix caught him off guard and he still erected a shield before getting hit.

Hax.

Originally posted by Galan007
Pokemon? srsly Too childish for me as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Too childish for me as well.

dur-rage

Originally posted by quanchi112
Too childish for me as well.
Heh. I guess you'd have to draw the line somewhere. Even if it is a very arbitrary line.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Too childish for me as well. Pokemon was awesome... when i was in middle school. Unless you're older than 25, I'm betting you watched Pokemon before school.

Originally posted by marwash22
Pokemon was awesome... when i was in middle school. Unless you're older than 25, I'm betting you watched Pokemon before school.
He's 29.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Heh. I guess you'd have to draw the line somewhere. Even if it is a very arbitrary line. Do you think it isn't childish?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think it isn't childish?
I think calling it childish while enjoying things like professional wrestling is a bit of a double standard.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He's 29. that explains it.

i never got into pokemon or digimon

Originally posted by chomperx9
i never got into pokemon or digimon http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx321/horniffied/GTFO.gif

Edit: I see I didn't post the scan with Cyclops

From Philosophia:

He is capable of grabbing Northstar by the neck mid-speedblitz.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNorthstar1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNorthstar2.jpg

React during Nightcrawler's teleportation.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNightcrawlerReactionTime.jpg

He's deflected and stopped bullets.

Duck Cyclops's optic vision.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoDodgeCyclops.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoCyclopsSheildReaction.jpg

His consciousness follows Captain Marvel flying at lightspeed.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoMarvelConsciousness.jpg

"All my speed means nothing to him."

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoQuicksilver1-1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoQuicksilver2-1.jpg

Takes attacks from Rogue, Quicksilver, Wolverine who puts his claws through him, all while being attacked by Jean and Xavier on the mental level, afterwards the famous instance where he rips the adamantium out of Wolverine takes place


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine2.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine3.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine4.jpg

Goes physicall against the X-Men.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoX-MenPhysicall1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoX-MenPhysicall2.jpg

From Blanket

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1381/thoughtel0.jpg

I'll post more soon.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Edit: I see I didn't post the scan with Cyclops

From Philosophia:

He is capable of grabbing Northstar by the neck mid-speedblitz.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNorthstar1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNorthstar2.jpg

React during Nightcrawler's teleportation.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoNightcrawlerReactionTime.jpg

He's deflected and stopped bullets.

Duck Cyclops's optic vision.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoDodgeCyclops.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoCyclopsSheildReaction.jpg

His consciousness follows Captain Marvel flying at lightspeed.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoMarvelConsciousness.jpg

"All my speed means nothing to him."

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoQuicksilver1-1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoQuicksilver2-1.jpg

Takes attacks from Rogue, Quicksilver, Wolverine who puts his claws through him, all while being attacked by Jean and Xavier on the mental level, afterwards the famous instance where he rips the adamantium out of Wolverine takes place


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine2.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine3.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoRogueQuicksilverWolverine4.jpg

Goes physicall against the X-Men.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoX-MenPhysicall1.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/MagnetoX-MenPhysicall2.jpg

From Blanket

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1381/thoughtel0.jpg

I'll post more soon.
But can he survive if MewTwo spams Swift?

I think not. sneer

I think I'm forced to concede Magneto wins majority, but I don't think it's out of the question for MewTwo to catch him off guard or pull something schnazzy and steal a win or two.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The gods of time and space, they literally embody the two concepts and without them neither exists. MewTwo's special stat is, believe it or not, equal to theirs. magneto stomps

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think calling it childish while enjoying things like professional wrestling is a bit of a double standard. Profession wrestling isn't childish though at all. Look at the scantily clad women it's obvious they aren't bringing in young kids with that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But can he survive if MewTwo spams Swift?

I think not. sneer swift never misses link-rape

Truly, the forums are merging... OMFG! WHY DIDN'T I SEE IT BEFORE?!

gay_rage THE RAGE IS AMONG US!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Profession wrestling isn't childish though at all. Look at the scantily clad women it's obvious they aren't bringing in young kids with that.
Its obvious that young children (preferably with ADD) are exactly their target audience.

That and rednecks.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its obvious that young children (preferably with ADD) are exactly their target audience.

That and rednecks. i used to love wrestling and my neck be not red. However, i stopped watching wresting freshman year of high school *shrug*.

Originally posted by marwash22
i used to love wrestling and my neck be not red. However, i stopped watching wresting freshman year of high school *shrug*.
I didn't say that was their entire audience, just their target.

i stopped watching wrestling around 2002

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
- Mags wrecks an Australian air force base...
- Then goes to into space to visit Asteroid M.
- Learns that his powers work at a Sub-Atomic Level.
- Apparently his research could earn him a Nobel Prize particle Physics.
- Mags has been using his powers to subtly manipulate the Earths Magnetic Field inhibiting ALL long ranged telepathy on Marvel Earth.
- Mags returns to his terrestial base from space the time frame...is unknown.
- Takes a blast from Cyclops again.
- Storm removes the humidity out of the air to try and inhibit Magnetos powers but he it doesn't have much effect.
- Takes a hit from Banshee and. his shields take a hit from Phoenix again.
- Manages to take hits from Colossus.
- Takes a shot to the head from Colossus without his helmet.
- Flings the X-Men away using his powers and escapes from his base...which is about to be destroyed.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9684/classicxmen1901hx0.th.jpghttp://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1482/classicxmen1902bm5.th.jpghttp://img186.imageshack.us/img186/507/classicxmen1904mp2.th.jpghttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2791/classicxmen1905yn8.th.jpghttp://img455.imageshack.us/img455/5467/classicxmen1908fg7.th.jpghttp://img409.imageshack.us/img409/4625/classicxmen1909lm4.th.jpghttp://img455.imageshack.us/img455/7691/classicxmen1910cb6.th.jpghttp://img455.imageshack.us/img455/6495/classicxmen1911tg4.th.jpghttp://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8784/classicxmen1912nx1.th.jpg

Continued in next post:

Here he reacts to Storm's lightning and absorbs it. Credit to ExodusCloak again.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7471/mags9aw.jpg

I'm pretty sure he wins all 10. Mewtwo's greatest ability, his psychic attacks are useless in this fight. If needed I can show him repelling and hitting someone with a psychic attack that was shot from someone else. Although I do not take credit in Scream's concession since I basically quoted Philosophia, Batdude123, ExodusCloak and Blanket/Sr J Bieb.

I had to separate this into two posts hence the double post.

Here he is being attacked by Apocalypse and is still able to focus on blood raping him. Credit goes to Galan007 who gives credit to Ash.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9481/apocyd9.png

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here:
- Mags takes a hit from Cyclops blasts.
- Manages to erect shield after the blast and block a punch from Colossus.
- Then Casually zaps Beast with Electricity and flings him into a wall.
- Takes an attack from Storms blizzard which further enhances his magnetic powers.(The Cold makes him a super conductor)
- Similtaneously controls the rate at which Colossus(Falls) and Nightcrawler(Rises) knocking them both out.
- Magneto can control SOUND he warps Banshees sonic scream back at him.
- His shields take hits from Cyclops and Phoenix.
- He even withstands her physical and psychic assault.
- His shields hold against her attacks.
- He's drawing the life energy from her like a sponge.
- He can tap into the Earths Magnetic field to increase his power.
- Beats the X-Men for the second time and places them in these highly developed chairs linked to their nervous systems that supresses their powers and reduces their strength and muscle contraction to infancy.

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Scantily clad women, bad acting, macho posturing, ridiculous costumes? Surely the definition of maturity is pro-wrestling.

a bunch of grown ass men who read comics... none of us have the right to point the immaturity finger. Though, wrestling is ghey .

Originally posted by marwash22
a bunch of grown ass men who read comics... none of us have the right to point the immaturity finger. Though, wrestling is ghey . Truf.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think calling it childish while enjoying things like professional wrestling is a bit of a double standard.

You, sir, are awesome.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Profession wrestling isn't childish though at all. Look at the scantily clad women it's obvious they aren't bringing in young kids with that.

Is that why they took all the cursing out of the WWE?

"I am gonna kick. your. BUTT!"

On topic: If Magneto has no resistance to spiritual attacks, Aura Sphere should put a dent in him.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You, sir, are awesome.



Is that why they took all the cursing out of the WWE?

"I am gonna kick. your. BUTT!"

On topic: If Magneto has no resistance to spiritual attacks, Aura Sphere should put a dent in him.

His shields have stood up to hellfire from Ghostrider. His shields will defend him from it, he can also dodge Aura Sphere. Magneto wins.

Aura Sphere does not miss. And protecting from Hellfire is pretty good. Magneto wins the majority. 9/10 if MewTwo can resort to tactics like Flash and catch him off guard.

Not my fault though. I was worried Magneto had done something pretty damn broken. >_> Turns out he had more of it that I even thought.

alright then. seems everyone agrees Magneto wins

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You, sir, are awesome.



Is that why they took all the cursing out of the WWE?

"I am gonna kick. your. BUTT!"

On topic: If Magneto has no resistance to spiritual attacks, Aura Sphere should put a dent in him. They still curse on the wwe.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Aura Sphere does not miss. And protecting from Hellfire is pretty good. Magneto wins the majority. 9/10 if MewTwo can resort to tactics like Flash and catch him off guard.

Not my fault though. I was worried Magneto had done something pretty damn broken. >_> Turns out he had more of it that I even thought.

Aura Sphere can not miss in the game. That doesn't happen over here. Mewtwo isn't catching him off guard when your consciousness follows someone moving at lightspeed. Magneto has also brought a huge ass bullet that was light years away from Earth and separated Kitty from it while in phased form and then used a wormhole to send it back to space. So I suppose he just erects a wormhole if you're so intent on believing that Aura Sphere can hit anything regardless of speed or reflexes, maybe if he had the Saint Of Killers powers and weapons. Flash isn't going to do anything as well.

Wasn't it you who told me that Drizzle + Thunder means nomiss in some Pokemon thread?

Rain just gives Thunder 100% accuracy, rather than the normal 70%, I think. Though I think it never misses if the target if using Fly.

I don't remember.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Wasn't it you who told me that Drizzle + Thunder means nomiss in some Pokemon thread?

In the game yes I said rain dance makes Thunder's accuracy 100%. This is not Mewtwo from the games nor is it moves from the game. This is Anime Mewtwo, we can not apply the game physics to the anime and vice versa. Mewtwo using Extreme Speed does not mean he is going to hit Magneto first. If Mewtwo were to use Rain Dance and Thunder then Magneto would either dodge, absorb it, redirect it, disperse the storm. Magneto is faster, he has proof of reacting faster, he takes on the X-Men alone many times.

Who the hell was talking about just games then? I had been using movie Lugia all day, lol.

I was also pretty damn sure that we threw the whole lot of Pokemon into one canon, but since we were in Games Vs the games preceded all but Word of God.

alot of those seem to fall under gameplay mechanics anyway

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Who the hell was talking about just games then? I had been using movie Lugia all day, lol.

I was also pretty damn sure that we threw the whole lot of Pokemon into one canon, but since we were in Games Vs the games preceded all but Word of God.

Anime Mewtwo was specified here. No miss moves are not no miss moves here especially since it's against someone that is faster than the attacker and the attack. Bullseye's accuracy would be rated as 100%. He doesn't miss at all, yet people are able to dodge and weave, thus making him miss. In short, Magneto wins 10/10 and he isn't even Marvel Earth's strongest villain.

I would not call them gameplay mechanics. I would call them effects, similar to the Final Fantasy universe's spells.

A gameplay mechanic is more like turn taking.

i think things like priority moves and stuff are gameplay mechanics atleast in how i think of the term. and unless the no miss or homeing and stuff, I cant see them hitting a faster person or hitting something out of their range.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I would not call them gameplay mechanics. I would call them effects, similar to the Final Fantasy universe's spells.

A gameplay mechanic is more like turn taking.

So Aura Sphere can hit someone that moves at light speed? Someone that can slow down time? Can it hit someone that can't be hit at all because the game says that the move always hits? Regardless of this move's divine accuracy, it still means nothing and will amount to nothing in a fight with Magneto. Mewtwo isn't winning, he'll have a hard time even hurting Magneto even if the fight had Magneto playing defensively the entire time.

Magneto should use a pokeball on mewtwo

pokeball + metal manipulation. Sounds like master ball + 1 to me

Well, Aura Sphere can hit Dialga. So yeah, it can hit someone who can slow down time. Or completely stop it for that matter.

link-rape

Master Balls can fail, by the way. They have before.

MewTwo can create super-pokeballs out of thin air, legit.

Edit: So what would happen if MewTwo focused all of his mental might on Magneto at once? The entire world-wide-hurricane that he passively maintained? mmm Just on Magneto. o:

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, Aura Sphere can hit Dialga. So yeah, it can hit someone who can slow down time. Or completely stop it for that matter.

link-rape

Master Balls can fail, by the way. They have before.

So yeah Magneto wins. 10/10. He dodges Aura Sphere or tanks it.

I disagree, and am now intrigued at ScreamPaste's question. I implore you to answer it.

link-rape

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
MewTwo can create super-pokeballs out of thin air, legit.

Edit: So what would happen if MewTwo focused all of his mental might on Magneto at once? The entire world-wide-hurricane that he passively maintained? mmm Just on Magneto. o: Psi attacks do very little to him, he eats psi users for breakfest. Judging the psi attacks and users he has beaten, I'm pretty sure Mew Two uses all of that in psi form would hurt him a little if it hit him But then Magneto would just kill him like he does all the others who tried to destroying him with psi.

Seriously psi energy is not a very good one to use against him

@ Jalek Are we talking TK or TP? Because that's, IIRC, many nuclear bombs worth of telekinetic output. Magneto takes a good majority, sure, but there's still debate to be had, and I'm curious if MewTwo can get through that shield with enough force. Because if he can, that gives him a fighting chance to steal a minority, rather than just sit on 0/10.

*reads Wei's post*

MewTwo has suppressed powers as well. Including those of a city buster.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@ Jalek Are we talking TK or TP? Because that's, IIRC, many nuclear bombs worth of telekinetic output. Magneto takes a good majority, sure, but there's still debate to be had, and I'm curious if MewTwo can get through that shield with enough force. Because if he can, that gives him a fighting chance to steal a minority, rather than just sit on 0/10.

*reads Wei's post*

Not enough time to get through it, it has tanked so much and he has enough time to put him down or kill him. His shields aren't impenetrable granted, but even if he does get through or hit his body, Magneto still has plenty of durability feats to support that he won't get put down at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@ Jalek Are we talking TK or TP? Because that's, IIRC, many nuclear bombs worth of telekinetic output. Magneto takes a good majority, sure, but there's still debate to be had, and I'm curious if MewTwo can get through that shield with enough force. Because if he can, that gives him a fighting chance to steal a minority, rather than just sit on 0/10.

*reads Wei's post*

Both, Tk and Tp. Psi energy is general is almost useless against him, high level he can feel but the same level of another energy type would be more effective do to his insane Psi resietance and shielding.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

Master Balls can fail, by the way. They have before.

Yes but, No Poketrainer has metal manipulation.
I can see someone like that take advantage of that power to catch pokemon

Just cause mewtwo can make pokeballs, doesn't mean he can't be captured himself. He is still a pokemon

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
MewTwo has suppressed powers as well. Including those of a city buster.

A city buster is nothing to Magneto. Even so, the thing is that you're saying that he can inhibit the powers of a city buster, but Magneto can inhibit the powers of someone that can inhibit the powers of a city buster. I have proven that he can think and react faster than Mewtwo, I have even matched his lightning effect by showing you Magneto dispersing his own shield and THEN absorbing lightning.

Those mostly look to be feats of TP resistance, though. I'm thinking MewTwo focuses on total telekinetic beat down with all of the psychic force he can muster. I'll go double check your post before, but wasn't the best feat his shield had for pure force resistince survivign a single nuke's explosion?

Well, an explosion has it's energy spread out in 129600 directions, and MewTwo's known output is a passive feat of creating a storm so ferocious it will wipe out all life on earth, and casually maintaining it without effort for hours. Now, that's a lot better than a hurricane, and a hurricane outputs a nuke's worth of energy every 20 minutes. He maintained somethign more potent, and far larger for hours. O-o

Like I said, I'll go look again, but I do think MewTwo has the pure brute strength to crack that shield if he manages to hit Magneto. Even with his resistance, that's gotta count for something. @_@

1/10 does not seem far fetched to me at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Those mostly look to be feats of TP resistance, though. I'm thinking MewTwo focuses on total telekinetic beat down with all of the psychic force he can muster. I'll go double check your post before, but wasn't the best feat his shield had for pure force resistince survivign a single nuke's explosion?

Well, an explosion has it's energy spread out in 129600 directions, and MewTwo's known output is a passive feat of creating a storm so ferocious it will wipe out all life on earth, and casually maintaining it without effort for hours. Now, that's a lot better than a hurricane, and a hurricane outputs a nuke's worth of energy every 20 minutes. He maintained somethign more potent, and far larger for hours. O-o

Like I said, I'll go look again, but I do think MewTwo has the pure brute strength to crack that shield if he manages to hit Magneto.

Phoenix and them use tk and pure offensive psi energy and it was treated like nothing alot of times. Also he ahs simply reversed hurricanes made by storm. (im sure wei has the feats) Given enough time sure he could but really He isn't gonna be able to put Magneto down before dying if he is using psi energy

It's possible Mewtwo can hurt him and stuff but I think it's very unlikely to happen

Originally posted by jalek moye
Phoenix and them use tk and pure offensive psi energy and it was treated like nothing alot of times. Also he ahs simply reversed hurricanes made by storm. (im sure wei has the feats) Given enough time sure he could but really He isn't gonna be able to put Magneto down before dying if he is using psi energy

It's possible Mewtwo can hurt him and stuff but I think it's very unlikely to happen
Yeah, but Pheonix was still able to throw him around and stuff with her TK, his shield held up, but what I'm imagining is MewTwo grabbing and Squeezing him with all of his might, every square mile of that life wiping storm focused on Magneto would be a whooole lot. @_@

Yes, he's resistant and very powerful, but I think 0/10 for MewTwo is just unfair. D:<

HM85d2fXJrc


this is the match, after magneto wins

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yeah, but Pheonix was still able to throw him around and stuff with her TK, his shield held up, but what I'm imagining is MewTwo grabbing and Squeezing him with all of his might, every square mile of that life wiping storm focused on Magneto would be a whooole lot. @_@

Yes, he's resistant and very powerful, but I think 0/10 for MewTwo is just unfair. D:<

Yeah Juggernaut is insanely durable, but if he's standing there and Hulk hits him with all of his might then he goes flying. He's not squeezing him, not his body or his mind. Magneto will either jam him or kill him before he can pull all of that off. Opens a wormhole, erects a shield that not even teleporters can get through (have a scan if necessary)

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

Originally posted by Etna
HM85d2fXJrc


this is the match, after magneto wins

I seriously laughed out loud, not even because I believe Magneto wins. Seriously funny.

I did say including a city buster, didn't I? There are numerous other Pokemon he suppressed as well, including the more powerful clones. Keep in mind, this is also all while maintaining his storm and battling Mew.

All his concentration on Magneto won't do a thing? I find that hard to believe.

magneto uses master ball

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I did say including a city buster, didn't I? There are numerous other Pokemon he suppressed as well, including the more powerful clones. Keep in mind, this is also all while maintaining his storm and battling Mew.

All his concentration on Magneto won't do a thing? I find that hard to believe.

Then read everything I've posted, Jean and Xavier put all of their attention and power on him. His shield has tanked blasts from Old School Phoenix who wasn't holding back. Magneto has more than enough to take what Mewtwo can dish out. That one blast from Phoenix only moved him because he wasn't prepared, no time to brace himself. Magneto can also disperse this storm that Mewtwo creates, he reacts and acts faster than Mewtwo. He can tank whatever he is throwing at him and then rip him in half as he did with Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Then read everything I've posted, Jean and Xavier put all of their attention and power on him. His shield has tanked blasts from Old School Phoenix who wasn't holding back. Magneto has more than enough to take what Mewtwo can dish out. That one blast from Phoenix only moved him because he wasn't prepared, no time to brace himself. Magneto can also disperse this storm that Mewtwo creates, he reacts and acts faster than Mewtwo. He can tank whatever he is throwing at him and then rip him in half as he did with Apocalypse. 616 apocalypse or aoa thus not canon apocalypse?

Originally posted by Creshosk
616 apocalypse or aoa thus not canon apocalypse?

After looking it up it is AoA, and invalid here, so I'll retract that feat.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
After looking it up it is AoA, and invalid here, so I'll retract that feat. Okay, I just wasn't sure if he'd done it in 616.

Personally I'd say that he doesn't need to. Is incapacitation a win?

In the marvel universe we know that marvel's electromagnetic energy disrupts psionic energy. Hence how things can be sheilded from psionics. Magneto and Storm's resitence feats etc.

Given that Mewtwo's sheild is more than likely psionic energy Magneto should be able to disrupt it. Then Magneto could pull off a blood manipulation. and immobilize mewtwo.

The problem I see here is the way that electromagnetic energy in marvel works makes magneto strong against psychic. And psychic weak to electromagnetic energy.

Much like how in pokemon Electric pokemon are weak to ground based attacks but electic attacks are strong against water pokemon.

Both characters are tremendously powerful. But there's a strong type mismatch here.

Mewtwo's psychic vs Magneto's Dark

mewtwo doesnt have to just use psy, hes got any other pokemon ability you can think of at his disposal

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
mewtwo doesnt have to just use psy, hes got any other pokemon ability you can think of at his disposal

This has been addressed on the previous pages. Magneto's shields have been brought up as well.

so AOA is cannon now

Originally posted by chomperx9
so AOA is cannon now

Reading comprehension...work on it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Reading comprehension...work on it. i read the posts fine. just wondering why the other poster was bringing up AOA

Originally posted by chomperx9
i read the posts fine. just wondering why we are bringing up AOA

You obviously didn't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
616 apocalypse or aoa thus not canon apocalypse?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
After looking it up it is AoA, and invalid here, so I'll retract that feat.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You obviously didn't. ok you retracted the feat you are forgivin

Originally posted by chomperx9
ok you retracted the feat you are forgivin

I hope you learned your lesson.

why is this cross gene thread #2 ?

Magneto! I choose you!

Mags would have basic knowledge on Pokemon therefore would know the basics of how to capture them.

When he enters Earth's orbit he flies to a mall and magnetically sucks hundreds of Pokeballs around the sky and smacks Mewtwo with them until he gets sucked into a Pokeball.

Mags brings the Pokeball onto his hand and crushes it.

Horrible thread. Let me elaborate on that. The anime and manga isn't canon. Everything that's canon regarding Mewtwo is posted bellow. Enjoy!

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9330/52088320.jpg

Magneto 100%

I believe it was specified to be anime Mewtwo.

Destroying a bridge is extremely different. A cat has done the same exact thing. What gives you the impression it was resonance anyway?

The storm may not be worldwide, but I've never said that. What it is is capable of destroying the world to eliminate all of the weak Pokemon and Humans to make way for he and his clones to repopulate it. Massive Hurricane is massive.

Nah, was world wide, and was not resonance. He is clearly seen whipping up the storm with a simple twirl of his hand in the movie, which glows blue with his signiature psychic aura. Was also powerful enough to as I keep saying wipe all life, that's a massive power output.

Also, psychic powers in pokemon have never shown a weakness to electromegnetic fields like that have in Marvel. But meh. Without that apparent advantage this would have been a much more interesting match. uhuh I should also mention the way the psychic powers manifest and are used seems very different.

So, since Pheonix is the prime example of Magneto's ability to survive TK, how hard could she have hit him. Am admittedly ignorant on the subject.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nah, was world wide, and was not resonance. He is clearly seen whipping up the storm with a simple twirl of his hand in the movie, which glows blue with his signiature psychic aura. Was also powerful enough to as I keep saying wipe all life, that's a massive power output.

Also, psychic powers in pokemon have never shown a weakness to electromegnetic fields like that have in Marvel. But meh. Without that apparent advantage this would have been a much more interesting match. uhuh

So, since Pheonix is the prime example of Magneto's ability to survive TK, how hard could she have hit him. Am admittedly ignorant on the subject. The green suited phoenix's power is severely limited compared to its other incarnations. The red suited phoenix is more powerful and the white suited phoenix is even more powerful than that.

And yes, there are power level distinctions between the costumes.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste


Also, psychic powers in pokemon have never shown a weakness to electromegnetic fields like that have in Marvel. But meh. Without that apparent advantage this would have been a much more interesting match. uhuh I should also mention the way the psychic powers manifest and are used seems very different.

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Not really, al lthe thigns movie mewtwo showed from PSi can be done by any of the power marvel psi users and more. it's still psionic energy, wheather or not mewtwo is weak to magneto's powers doesnt change that mags is hardly effected by psi of any kind.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The green suited phoenix's power is severely limited compared to its other incarnations. The red suited phoenix is more powerful and the white suited phoenix is even more powerful than that.

And yes, there are power level distinctions between the costumes. Neat, I'll go check which colour her costume is.

Edit: Green! What's her best feat in green suit? mmm

How this went 8 pages is beyond me. Mewtwo can manipulate time. Magneto has no counter for that.

When did mewtwo manipulate time?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The green suited phoenix's power is severely limited compared to its other incarnations. The red suited phoenix is more powerful and the white suited phoenix is even more powerful than that.

And yes, there are power level distinctions between the costumes.
Didn't magneto fight both green and red?

Originally posted by jalek moye
Didn't magneto fight both green and red? I don't recall Magneto ever facing Dark Phoenix.

Only saw a scan of green. Am admittedly not exactly an expert. If you can show me red, I'll have more questions to ask.