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Both at their best/peak in the following:-

1.H2H IF cant use Chi
2.H2H IF can use his Chi in his punches etc
3.All out fight where both can use other powers and other abilities ie IF can use his other Chi powes ie Chi blast etc ...

Who wins in each of the above how and why?

Iron Fist

What did Connors do to deserve this?

Lizard imo atleast in the first two

KIIIYAH!

Iron Fist just nukes the area with an AoE chi blast.

No way Lizard can dodge that.

Danny makes lizard-skin boots in all 3.

Originally posted by ozz81
Both at their best/peak in the following:-

1.H2H IF cant use Chi

So Danny starts the fight dead?

Seeing Chi is his life force, and just being alive is "using it."

Danny still wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
So Danny starts the fight dead?

Seeing Chi is his life force, and just being alive is "using it."

Danny still wins.

sorry to clarify it meant the dragon punch etc..

Look at these scans in Lizard respect thread

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=480729&pagenumber=2

You know what Dragons are? Giant lizards. You know what Iron Fist did to a giant lizard? He killed it and then plunged his fist into it's heart - before he could do any chi moves.

Lizard dies like the Dragon he wishes he could be.

But yeah supposes he didnt use the I.F on lizard dont u reckon he(Lizard) may get the better of him??

Dragons are a much larger target then Lizard. Lizard should be able to hold his one against Iron Fist because he has usally gets the better of Spider-Man who imo is faster stronger and more agile then Iron Fist

Danny wins

Just to clarify.. Lizard JUST recieved another upgrade in the very last issue of Amazing Spider-man. I dont like to jump to conclusions based on one showing but Connors seemed to be faster than Spider-man. They fought several issues ago and Pete was successfully landing most attacks, as always Connors had to rely on his durabilty. But in the last issue Spider-man couldnt connect once. Lizard got MUCH faster than he was before, stronger and he still has telepathy on top of everything else. IF Danny is going to win this he'll have to use everything he's got. And its still debatable until we see more from current Lizard.

Found a cool feat from Power Man and Iron Fist.

Bres the Beautiful, who matched Thor in raw strength, and casually dealt with a disguised Super Skrull who tossed around Luke Cage like a stuffed toy, and had magic enough to control Mjolnir? Danny hit him with his most powerful Iron Fist at the time, and knocked him cold.

Fell unconscious from the effort, but damn. More impressive than punking Spidey.

Originally posted by SamZED
Just to clarify.. Lizard JUST recieved another upgrade in the very last issue of Amazing Spider-man. I dont like to jump to conclusions based on one showing but Connors seemed to be faster than Spider-man. They fought several issues ago and Pete was successfully landing most attacks, as always Connors had to rely on his durabilty. But in the last issue Spider-man couldnt connect once. Lizard got MUCH faster than he was before, stronger and he still has telepathy on top of everything else. IF Danny is going to win this he'll have to use everything he's got. And its still debatable until we see more from current Lizard. That's cool, but martial artists hit what Spiderman can't.

Originally posted by cdtm
Found a cool feat from Power Man and Iron Fist.

Bres the Beautiful, who matched Thor in raw strength, and casually dealt with a disguised Super Skrull who tossed around Luke Cage like a stuffed toy, and had magic enough to control Mjolnir? Danny hit him with his most powerful Iron Fist at the time, and knocked him cold.

Fell unconscious from the effort, but damn. More impressive than punking Spidey.

That's impressive. But not really how it works.. Spider-man's beaten heralds before, doesn't mean he's > any character below heralds. Lizard just displayed crazy speed and agility.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's cool, but martial artists hit what Spiderman can't. Spider-man hits everything better than anyone. And he's a martial artists now too.

Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man hits everything better than anyone. And he's a martial artists now too. IF power is to punch, he is the master of punch; IF would punch Lizard and Spiderman to death.

A retarded one.

Originally posted by Mindset
IF power is to punch, he is the master of punch; IF would punch Lizard and Spiderman to death.

A retarded one.

He can kick with the force of a punch.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can kick with the force of a punch. But he only needs to punch.

Originally posted by Mindset
IF power is to punch, he is the master of punch; IF would punch Lizard and Spiderman to death.

A retarded one. Spider-man practically invented combo to ko. He's the walking ad for the "speedblitz the livving crap out of you" concept. If the new upgraded Lizard can run circles around him surely he can do that while fighting Danny (not talking about chi blasts).

Killing stroke + pressurepoint speedblitz of multpile superhumans + punking Shang Chi in a sparring match relying on skills only. All in a few months of training. He's the boss.

And IF perfected it. Danny would speedblitz Spiderman with a face full of fists.

All B level MA feats.

Lizard.

Originally posted by Mindset
And IF perfected it. Danny would speedblitz Spiderman with a face full of fists.

All B level MA feats. Like he did Wolverine? If Spider-man fights using 12% of his speed meybe.

Cool. If Danny ever does something like that he'll be upgraded to a B level MA tier in my book.
Jokes aside, skill-wise Spider-man isnt (clearly) an A level MA. But his natural speed combined with the training makes him > faster than vast majority of A level MAs. Heck he was faster than vast majority of MAs BEFORE the said training. Now he casually speedblitzes an upgraded Kain and takes down 3 supervillains who all have spider powers and does it in less than a second using pressurepoint attacks.

Last training fight IF had with Wolverien he got tossed on the ground, Spiderman got stabbed in the chest.

Spiderman isn't faster than Danny, and Danny is a better fighter.

Originally posted by Mindset
Last training fight IF had with Wolverien he got tossed on the ground, Spiderman got stabbed in the chest.

Spiderman isn't faster than Danny, and Danny is a better fighter.
Danny wasnt good enough for Wolverine to even use his claws on.

Peter is faster. Even classic one. If they were equels in speed.. with the skill gap they have Spider-man wouldve never been able to last against IF even for a minute. And he did more than just last. Also youre banished from Spider-man fanclub for life. Keep pushing and ill make some calls to get you banished from Doom club as well. I can do that.

Wolverine was scared Danny would kill him if he did.

Nope, he isn't. Danny was holding back. I was a Spiderman fan before you were outta diapers, you Venom fanboy. ermm

Originally posted by Mindset
Wolverine was scared Danny would kill him if he did.

Nope, he isn't. Danny was holding back. I was a Spiderman fan before you were outta diapers, you Venom fanboy. ermm
... remind me how the hell did I wind up defending Wolverine?

So was Spider-man. Well then make way for the younger generation, grampa. You leave Venom out of this.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman isn't faster than Danny
Eh yes he is. Quite a lot actually.

Lizard is like Spider-Man, but even stronger, tougher, way more ruthless and armed with dangerous telepathic powers...

No way IF wins, unless Lizard is hibernating.

Lizard.

I'd be interested to see what Lizards "make you think you're a scared monkey" powers would make IF do.

Just made Doc Ock want to rip him apart even more than usual.

Never seen Ock vs. Lizard. Scans?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Never seen Ock vs. Lizard. Scans? Not much to see really. Ock attacked Lizard but most of it went off-panel. We dont get to see the winner.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6761/asm6460016.jpghttp://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7554/asm6460017.jpg

Spidey isn't faster than Danny by a lot. If at all.

Both are high end bullet timers. Both have highly impressive feats..

Spidey may have more of them, because showing off his super human speed, agility, and precog is his bread and butter, but Danny has plenty of high end speed feats himself..

danny