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No prep.
No BFR.

Trident or no trident, whichever seems fair.

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Morlun is not a good character for Vs. threads - the f*cker is nigh-unstoppable.

He eats Arthur and mails his orange chainmail (covered in blood) to Pr.

Thats nice.

No offense, BTW.
Its just, the way characters are debated online, they're all nigh-unstoppable.
Does the character have super speed? They win.
TP? They win.
Death spores? They win.
Battle computer? They win.
Are they Superman, Batman, or Black Panther? They win.

Just trying to start a thread here, man.

Aquaman could give Morlun a good fight physically, but Aquaman's powers are fish-based which isn't going to cut it here. Morlun absorbs him, leaving Arthur little more than a dried up fish stick.

Morlun hasnt faced anyone above meta. The wanking needs to stop

Black Panther hardly wins, I mean that victory guaranteed factor with him ? I don't see it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Morlun hasnt faced anyone above meta. The wanking needs to stop

He did make an Alt. Genis-Vell look like an ant in comparison. But obviously we don't know if he equates to 616 - but I wouldn't think he's a Meta tier.

the trident would kill him (at least until he was replaced with his clone) so i def think arthur could take him. without would be far more difficult. they would appear to be close physically, but durability-wise morlun and his family don't ever seem to tire. i'd take morlun if arthur doesn't have his trident more often than not. if he could drain arthur (maybe scot has an idea...) he'd def take him, but i'm not sure he could. his dad DID drain and defeat cap universe spidey who was said to be the most powerful being in his universe. that just goes to show how powerful morlun and his family were intended to be viewed imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
the trident would kill him (at least until he was replaced with his clone) so i def think arthur could take him. without would be far more difficult. they would appear to be close physically, but durability-wise morlun and his family don't ever seem to tire. i'd take morlun if arthur doesn't have his trident more often than not. if he could drain arthur (maybe scot has an idea...) he'd def take him, but i'm not sure he could. his dad DID drain and defeat cap universe spidey who was said to be the most powerful being in his universe. that just goes to show how powerful morlun and his family were intended to be viewed imo.

The only time the Inheritors can be severely damaged is when they are taken off guard. Examples being when Ezekiel broke his nose or a Feral Spider-Man killed him. But when they are 100% focused they can nearly never be damaged.

It's kind of like the way Gladiators powers work except it's about the Inheritors losing focus or not concentrating properly. If he's focusing on Arthur entirely then he probably won't be able to cause him severe injury.

The Gladiator analogy is not the best but it helps to put the point across. I mean you have him tanking multiple Vibranium tipped nukes to Ezekiel giving him a nosebleed if he isn't focused. Or taken by surprise (however you wish to put it.

Aquaman is too powerful.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The only time the Inheritors can be severely damaged is when they are taken off guard. Examples being when Ezekiel broke his nose or a Feral Spider-Man killed him. But when they are 100% focused they can nearly never be damaged.

It's kind of like the way Gladiators powers work except it's about the Inheritors losing focus or not concentrating properly. If he's focusing on Arthur entirely then he probably won't be able to cause him severe injury.

The Gladiator analogy is not the best but it helps to put the point across. I mean you have him tanking multiple Vibranium tipped nukes to Ezekiel giving him a nosebleed if he isn't focused. Or taken by surprise (however you wish to put it.

hmm, you have something that specifically says their powers are focused based, or are you just guessing based on what you've seen of them? i mean the other DID stab the father and kill him when he went spider form. if the father can be killed via stabbing, seems like the trident might be able to replicate the feat....maybe?

Morlun is so much more faster than Aquaman (and the guy use his speed consistently) that tagging him with the trident is questionable at best.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He did make an Alt. Genis-Vell look like an ant in comparison. But obviously we don't know if he equates to 616 - but I wouldn't think he's a Meta tier.

I take those alt reality showings with the utmost grain of salt. It's more akin to shock value and name recognition than anything. Plus like u said it's not the REAL genis nor is it any indication of what his power level is. To date he's only fought metas.

Originally posted by carver9
Morlun is so much more faster than Aquaman (and the guy use his speed consistently) that tagging him with the trident is questionable at best.

Quit lowballing

What was lowballing about what I said?

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, you have something that specifically says their powers are focused based, or are you just guessing based on what you've seen of them? i mean the other DID stab the father and kill him when he went spider form. if the father can be killed via stabbing, seems like the trident might be able to replicate the feat....maybe?

In a novel called Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours it is something Spider-Man thinks of. And Dex (a previous servant of Morlun's) gave Spider-Man some info on him. And Morlun always wanted privacy when he was feeding.

Something I will say. This novel in which this was mentioned wasn't published strictly by Marvel.

http://i.imgur.com/yi0ohJH.png

But multiple references are made to 616 events. And it has a Marvel logo on the back of it.

http://i.imgur.com/AS2xttm.jpg

And if you read the blurb it also mentions Morlun being killed so it seems to correlate with 616.

And doing a brief Google search points to it all being 616 related if any more evidence is needed.

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I would give you scans of the book itself but I don't have my portable HDD with me at my Fathers house so I unfortunately can't show you directly, but I hope this helps enough.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I take those alt reality showings with the utmost grain of salt. It's more akin to shock value and name recognition than anything. Plus like u said it's not the REAL genis nor is it any indication of what his power level is. To date he's only fought metas.



Quit lowballing

To be fair it's not really an indication of what his power level isn't either. I think some notice should be taken of that showing for sure, but how much exactly I'm not sure.

Originally posted by carver9
What was lowballing about what I said?

That he's faster, that he won't tag him.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
To be fair it's not really an indication of what his power level isn't either. I think some notice should be taken of that showing for sure, but how much exactly I'm not sure.

Flip sides of a coin I suppose. I don't know. I've always felt that if editors/writers wanted to display someone from 616 as capable of stomping say Galactus. They'd show it...as opposed to having them go to earth 8675309 and destroying the captain universe version of Galactus from that dimension.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Morlun hasnt faced anyone above meta...
^^^This is why i was wondering.

Thanks all, for responding.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That he's faster, that he won't tag him.



Flip sides of a coin I suppose. I don't know. I've always felt that if editors/writers wanted to display someone from 616 as capable of stomping say Galactus. They'd show it...as opposed to having them go to earth 8675309 and destroying the captain universe version of Galactus from that dimension.

Thats not lowballing, thats stating an opinion. Anyways, Morlun would take his trident before any stabbing began to happen.

I find that hard to believe.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
In a novel called Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours it is something Spider-Man thinks of. And Dex (a previous servant of Morlun's) gave Spider-Man some info on him. And Morlun always wanted privacy when he was feeding.

Something I will say. This novel in which this was mentioned wasn't published strictly by Marvel.

http://i.imgur.com/yi0ohJH.png

But multiple references are made to 616 events. And it has a Marvel logo on the back of it.

http://i.imgur.com/AS2xttm.jpg

And if you read the blurb it also mentions Morlun being killed so it seems to correlate with 616.

And doing a brief Google search points to it all being 616 related if any more evidence is needed.

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I would give you scans of the book itself but I don't have my portable HDD with me at my Fathers house so I unfortunately can't show you directly, but I hope this helps enough.

huh. cool beans. i often wonder how closely tied a company's novels are to the company, and how they relate to canon material. as far as his focus=invulnerability, still not sure i'd go that far. i'm still of the opinion the trident could do some serious damage. perhaps not kill him, but enough damage that it would help turn the tide and give AM a majority. morlun wins without it.

and no carver, he isn't pulling the weapon from AM's hand before he can use it. he is not the flash.....

THANK you.

Wasn't there some stupid ass retcon, regarding Morlun constantly cloning himself, or some other equally idiotic drivel? If that's the case, Arthur kills him, and anything that requires Morlun to clone himself would constitute a forum loss, I assume.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh. cool beans. i often wonder how closely tied a company's novels are to the company, and how they relate to canon material. as far as his focus=invulnerability, still not sure i'd go that far. i'm still of the opinion the trident could do some serious damage. perhaps not kill him, but enough damage that it would help turn the tide and give AM a majority. morlun wins without it.

and no carver, he isn't pulling the weapon from AM's hand before he can use it. he is not the flash.....

Although not entirely the same thing but he has taken a stab from a Wolverines claws and shown no reaction at all. Obviously not the exact same thing but quite important.

Is your thing around the trident to do with purely piercing or it's more esoteric abilities?

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Although not entirely the same thing but he has taken a stab from a Wolverines claws and shown no reaction at all. Obviously not the exact same thing but quite important.

Is your thing around the trident to do with purely piercing or it's more esoteric abilities?

Alt Wolverine, but yeah. Claws went deep.

He got stabbed with a wakandan spear, too. Didn't bother him.

...

And ignored vibranium nukes.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Alt Wolverine, but yeah. Claws went deep.

He got stabbed with a wakandan spear, too. Didn't bother him.

...

And ignored vibranium nukes.

Yeah that's what I meant by "a Wolverine".


Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Wasn't there some stupid ass retcon, regarding Morlun constantly cloning himself, or some other equally idiotic drivel? If that's the case, Arthur kills him, and anything that requires Morlun to clone himself would constitute a forum loss, I assume.

It's only if a Inheritor dies that this happens. This is how Morlun returned from death.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Yeah that's what I meant by "a Wolverine".

Missed "a", tired eyes, spending way too much online. Out of eye drops, even haermm A thousand pardons.

I wonder if he could take a stab to the head.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Missed "a", tired eyes, spending way too much online. Out of eye drops, even haermm A thousand pardons.

I wonder if he could take a stab to the head.

It's cool mate.

That is quite an interesting point. I reckon he could. Or I hope so.

Anyone got a good synopsis

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Although not entirely the same thing but he has taken a stab from a Wolverines claws and shown no reaction at all. Obviously not the exact same thing but quite important.

Is your thing around the trident to do with purely piercing or it's more esoteric abilities?

well, like i said, morlun's dad was slain by the other. arthur is WAY stronger than any version of logan and any wakandan so i could def see thye trident driven by AM doing significant damage. maybe.

It's not that the penetration wasn't deep enough. He simply wasn't bothered by it.

Trying to get a "critical hit" would be a good idea. Remember when the Halibut King stabbed Darkseid in the eyes? Something like that is needed, at least.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's not that the penetration wasn't deep enough. He simply wasn't bothered by it.

Trying to get a "critical hit" would be a good idea. Remember when the Halibut King stabbed Darkseid in the eyes? Something like that is needed, at least.

Has Morlun faced any elites in 616?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has Morlun faced any elites in 616?

He doesn't have many showings. Ones he does have, he's basically unbeatable in and the protagonists need to resort to a plot device of some kind to get rid of him.

No-selling vibranium nukes and ripping the adamantium net >>> taming wild carps....

I suppose. I hate threads with relative unknowns because people start reaching into unstoppable territory and thats shitty debating

^^^Yeah, it started with the very first response.

That is what we have for now. You'd know that if you read arcs with Morlun, lol.

Arthur needs to go for the headshot and hope it works.

I like how you assume anyone who disagrees with, what was, honestly, a crap response on your part, means they dont read comics.

lol

I just know when you don't

My original response = Morlun eating Arthur, shitting him out and mailing the feces to... SOME Aquaman fan, let's not be too specific vin

And i just know when you're in the mood to talk massive amounts of shit and add nothing to a thread.
Happens about once a month.

ONLY once a month...?

Morlun wins, for me.

He was fast enough to beat the crap out of Spidey, which rarely happens unless you're a symbiote who happens to negate the Spidey Sense.

He was strong enough to rip adamantium. And this was Wakanda trying their very best to stop him, so I highly doubt they'd use crappy beta adamantium to hold people.

He was durable enough to tank Wakanda's entire armoury thrown at him. Including nukes.

He loses due to radiation poisoning, rather than being out matched physically. Not to say that he can't be outmatched physically, but rather, it takes a lot to beat him down.

Not to mention, on top of his physicals, he can also drain his opponents. So Aquaman would be fighting a battle where he would be getting weaker, even as Morlun gets stronger.

Cool. Is that your opinion on both scenarios?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


He was strong enough to rip adamantium. And this was Wakanda trying their very best to stop him, so I highly doubt they'd use crappy beta adamantium to hold people.

Adamantium beta is just as tough - if not tougher - as the real deal.

The crappy version is called 'secondary adamantium'.

And that feat from BP book is consistent with how Straczynski viewed the character.

Originally posted by riv6672
Cool. Is that your opinion on both scenarios?

Hmm, with the trident. Tricky, that. Yes, it pierced Darkseid - and Morlun is no Darkseid - but Aquaman needed Flash to give him the thrust needed to pierce him.

I just find it very difficult to see Aquaman outputting enough damage to hurt Morlun, is all. Just based on what I've seen him shrug off - and yes, that includes Spidey desperately trying to put him down.

Was this the infamous eyeball scene? I dont recall Flash thrusting AM. I'm
Sure there have been other fights, though.
Anyway, thank you for answering the overall question. My follow up is just idle curiosity.

http://www.comicbooked.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Aquaman-3.jpg

I wouldnt call that thrust, personally. More of a fastball special, getting him whete needed to be.
Considering this was the inaugural JLA fight (and everyone was snarkily asking "what can you do" you'd think the writers/characters would have made a point of mentioning the tactic (Flash: "I can thrust you, Fish Guy!".

The above is just MO, though. Its a great catch on your part.

At Flash level speed though. Pierced with a Trident at that speed would do much more damage in my opinion. If it was a matter of right place right time Flash could have just ran up to him and kept repeatedly poking Darkseid in the eyes at the speed of light.

Now I think of it that would be quite an amusing scene if it was in a comic.

^^^haha!
Flash: "IcandoTHIS!IcandoTHIS!IcandoTHIS!"

But yeah, that was not thrust.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hmm, with the trident. Tricky, that. Yes, it pierced Darkseid - and Morlun is no Darkseid - but Aquaman needed Flash to give him the thrust needed to pierce him.

I just find it very difficult to see Aquaman outputting enough damage to hurt Morlun, is all. Just based on what I've seen him shrug off - and yes, that includes Spidey desperately trying to put him down.

Aquaman is like a hundred times stronger than Spidey though.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Aquaman is like a hundred times stronger than Spidey though.

that's what i'm saying too...

and this is what happened to morlun's dad who was depicted as being considerably more powerful than morlun or any of his brothers or sisters:

http://imgur.com/a/8jqd8

with his trident i could see arthur doing something similar. maybe not as damaging, but enough that morlun would certainly be hurt. maybe? /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
that's what i'm saying too...

and this is what happened to morlun's dad who was depicted as being considerably more powerful than morlun or any of his brothers or sisters:

http://imgur.com/a/8jqd8

with his trident i could see arthur doing something similar. maybe not as damaging, but enough that morlun would certainly be hurt. maybe? /shrug

That happened to his father, not Morlun and everyone was shocked when it happened. What we do know is that Morlun dad would completely annihilate Aquaman so there was more at play during that scene.

It's like me saying since Wolverine stabbed Thanos who had the IG bone clawed Saber tooth could beat him. We have no idea what was at play during that scene...especially since we've seen Morlun shrug off stab wounds like nothing.

One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.

Yep...the Spider was powerful as hell. Solus mud stomped the most powerful being in the Universe with ease but thought this being was much more formidable. This isn't a low showing for Solus, it's a high showing for the bug. It's not a low showing for Hulk that Titanus punched him to sleep, it's a high showing for Titanus. Doesn't mean that Thing would get a majority because of it. It's not a low showing for Superman to get a whole punched through him by Zod heat vision, it's a high showing for Zod. Doesn't mean that Surfer blast could repeat the same process. Anyways, Aquaman gets slaughtered here, even with the trident.

Originally posted by carver9
That happened to his father, not Morlun and everyone was shocked when it happened. What we do know is that Morlun dad would completely annihilate Aquaman so there was more at play during that scene.

actually we don't 'know' anything of the sort at all. we never saw any of morlun's family fight someone like AM. maybe his dad would have killed AM. his dad seemed to be able to drain energy much better than morlun could as seen when he drained cap universe. the other siblings were too afraid to even ENTER cap universe spidey's universe. so, if a more powerful morlun (his dad) could be stabbed and killed, no real reason to think a high cl100 with a magic trident couldn't do something similar to a less powerful morlun.

we've also seen ezekiel bloody morlun's nose with a punch:

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/spidermanmorlun35.jpg

http://www.marvel-world.com/contents/encyclopedie/biographies/e/ezekiel/ezekiel_2.jpg

if ezekiel can bloody him, tell me why arthur can't? first scan also shows morlun is fast, but not as fast as spiderman. and blitzing/stealing the trident in the blink of an eye is certainly not an option. and it's not like AM is slow either.

bottomline--this is far from a sure thing, especially with the trident. he has some inconsistencies around his character and even the full nature of his powers still.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One could make a theory that Spider-Kaine was able to absorb the life force of Inheritors like The "All-New" Man-Spider (Parker) could.

maybe, but the problem with that is the siblings killed kaine--easily--after their dad was killed.... but it's possible. we also know they DO die and can be killed. clones were sent out a few times in the spiderverse arc. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
maybe, but the problem with that is the siblings killed kaine--easily--after their dad was killed.... but it's possible. we also know they DO die and can be killed. clones were sent out a few times in the spiderverse arc. /shrug

Yes, I remember. The whole scene was weird, but hey, it happened.

Morlun is not Solus, though. He can take stabs pretty damn well:

1. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BIEc7dcJ3TA/VEhIuOEfPhI/AAAAAAAAHAY/uSP2i4FFgnQ/s1600/scan0017.jpg
2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11/113883/4160212-morlunwolverine2.jpg

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1. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80103/3862714-6466303406-Scree.png
2. https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/blackpanthermorlun11.jpg?w=590&h=884

Originally posted by leonidas
actually we don't 'know' anything of the sort at all. we never saw any of morlun's family fight someone like AM. maybe his dad would have killed AM. his dad seemed to be able to drain energy much better than morlun could as seen when he drained cap universe. the other siblings were too afraid to even ENTER cap universe spidey's universe. so, if a more powerful morlun (his dad) could be stabbed and killed, no real reason to think a high cl100 with a magic trident couldn't do something similar to a less powerful morlun.

we've also seen ezekiel bloody morlun's nose with a punch:

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/spidermanmorlun35.jpg

http://www.marvel-world.com/contents/encyclopedie/biographies/e/ezekiel/ezekiel_2.jpg

if ezekiel can bloody him, tell me why arthur can't? first scan also shows morlun is fast, but not as fast as spiderman. and blitzing/stealing the trident in the blink of an eye is certainly not an option. and it's not like AM is slow either.

bottomline--this is far from a sure thing, especially with the trident. he has some inconsistencies around his character and even the full nature of his powers still.

Morlun became more powerful after his fight against E and Spiderman. Lol and he is faster than Spiderman. He has moved so fast Spiderman didn't even see him move.

Also, you pointing out E making him bleed, you probably want to look at Morlun and Spiderman first fight. Spiderman pounded on him, threw him from a skyscraper face first into the ground, hit him across the face with vehicles and his fist and it did nothing but wait, E making him bleed is what stood out to you.

... what the F Leo. Do I honestly need to point out Aquaman low showings. It's easy to find. Let me know.

Moral of story, given ALL of Morlun showings minus the supposed low showings you are reaching for, Morlun stomps. Now let me know if you want to continue with this low craziness you're doing. I'll start gathering my Aquaman showings.

Ezekiel made him bleed because they caught him off-guard, Parker kicked Morlun in the back and Ezekiel landed the best punch he could.

He bleeds, but he also eats vibranium nukes like gecko eats tons of junk food... just a walk in the park for him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ezekiel made him bleed because they caught him off-guard, Parker kicked Morlun in the back and Ezekiel landed the best punch he could.

He bleeds, but he also eats vibranium nukes like gecko eats tons of junk food... just a walk in the park for him.

Punch and truck.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528984/ASM526_18b.jpg.html

Punch, punch, punch.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528985/ASM526_19b.jpg.html

...but wait, E made him bleed.

Face first through concrete from the top of a skyscraper.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528967/ASM526_09a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528968/ASM526_10a.jpg.html

Nothing.

Arthur is vastly stronger than Spidey, just throwing that out there.

No opinions here, don't know Morlun well enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Punch and truck.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528984/ASM526_18b.jpg.html

Punch, punch, punch.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528985/ASM526_19b.jpg.html

...but wait, E made him bleed.

Face first through concrete from the top of a skyscraper.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528967/ASM526_09a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20528968/ASM526_10a.jpg.html

Nothing.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113883/4160172-8039642135-16785.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/73552/1665561-morlun_durability.jpg

The carp tamer gets murdered.

Originally posted by Cogito
Arthur is vastly stronger than Spidey, just throwing that out there.

No opinions here, don't know Morlun well enough.

True. Not comparing Spiderman to Aquaman. Someone pointed out Ezekiel hurting Morlun when someone stronger couldn't do it as shown here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20530555/Amazing_Spider-Man_v2_033-02.jpg.html

He then brought up Morlun being unable to hit Spiderman (don't know where that came from) when we have this...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20530570/Amazing_Spider-Man_v2_033-06.jpg.html

Also, any fight that happened between Morlun and Spiderman is Morlun toying with him like he toyed with all of his pray so using anything between the two is irrelevant...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20530566/Amazing_Spider-Man_v2_033-04.jpg.html

All of this isn't directed at you buddy, just the Aquaman being stronger part.

you...don't read well do you.

spidey is FASTER. morlun misses as many times as he hits him. should i post a punch of scans of spidey dodging him over several arcs? he gets hit because he needs to get in close. and zeke is what, cl10? AM is...what again....?

replace those punches with ones....20x stronger, and driving home a magic trident? yeah, a bit different, wouldn't you say?

as for morlun bleeding: there was more to it. he performs differently against non-totems. how much so, what the real nature of his power is, has never really been explained. hence, you have no idea.

you're overwanking someone--again. you do that an awful lot. in h2h i'd take morlun too (as i said if you actually read anything) but with the trident may be very different.

i'm interested in knowing where you'd place him exactly? sounds like he'd beat ww in your book. i mena arthur is close in strength to her. her sword would obviously be useless and his speed would counter hers. what is he? low trans? he's gonna no sell AM in a stomp, where his trident will be useless. hell, you've posted what AM did to superman a hundred times. he's matched ww at least once as you yourself have said, matched hercules. so, no selling AM is a pretty huge thing given lately people think he could be mid herald. so, morlun's what? high herald for sure, right? can take gladiator? low trans? where DOES your wanking end?

lol Carter's making leo mad duster

After all those years, leo still hasn't developed a mental scar tissue preventing carver from affecting him...

I'll need to ask Pr to install some psi-shields for him.

http://media4.onsugar.com/files/2014/02/26/955/n/1922398/32822b9389de0144_original1.gif.xxxlarge/i/Youve-Got-Kidding-Me-Chew.gif

The moral is, you're ignoring all of Aquaman's showings.

Originally posted by riv6672
The moral is, you're ignoring all of Aquaman's showings.

especially ironic in that he's repeatedly said strength and durability for arthur is top tier and that he'd be a close fight with superman. but morlun STOMPS him??

and what about his lightning blasts with the trident? morlun walking through those too?

i can get why people say morlun--i can NOT get the idea of stomp in any way at all. the outcome here is certainly not a sure thing imo, and definitely not if AM gets the trident.

Originally posted by carver9
I'll start gathering my Aquaman showings.

Make sure you only use real ones. No fan art, obvs.

^^^whut?!?

According to carver, back when he was lowballing Aquaman, PR had his SIG withnAquaman stabbing DS.

Carver said it was all fan art. He had never read JL.

Oh damn...

incidentally, here is another scan showing the 'family' (these are morlun's equally powerful brothers and sisters) can certainly be hurt by piercing:

http://imgur.com/a/B6oWl

a knife thrown by an alt spidey sure as hell doesn't equal a magic trident thrown or thrusted by AM....

and here:

http://imgur.com/a/QH2cF

true kaine did a lot of damage, but ock still pierced and killed him. or are those scans also lowballs? because they took place in the definitive inheritors arc (of which morlun is one....)

morlun's best single showing imo was taking out alt genis. who knows what level he was at, but it's still impressive imo. if he can drain arthur's life force, than this could end quickly i suppose. but from a purely physical contest this is still pretty close i think. if he CAN drain arthur, i wonder what the limits of that draining would be? do we assume he could simply drain and kill superman? silver surfer?

i wish they would have expanded more on his powers....

Originally posted by leonidas
you...don't read well do you.

spidey is FASTER. morlun misses as many times as he hits him. should i post a punch of scans of spidey dodging him over several arcs? he gets hit because he needs to get in close. and zeke is what, cl10? AM is...what again....?

replace those punches with ones....20x stronger, and driving home a magic trident? yeah, a bit different, wouldn't you say?

as for morlun bleeding: there was more to it. he performs differently against non-totems. how much so, what the real nature of his power is, has never really been explained. hence, you have no idea.

you're overwanking someone--again. you do that an awful lot. in h2h i'd take morlun too (as i said if you actually read anything) but with the trident may be very different.

i'm interested in knowing where you'd place him exactly? sounds like he'd beat ww in your book. i mena arthur is close in strength to her. her sword would obviously be useless and his speed would counter hers. what is he? low trans? he's gonna no sell AM in a stomp, where his trident will be useless. hell, you've posted what AM did to superman a hundred times. he's matched ww at least once as you yourself have said, matched hercules. so, no selling AM is a pretty huge thing given lately people think he could be mid herald. so, morlun's what? high herald for sure, right? can take gladiator? low trans? where DOES your wanking end?

Lol...Leo, calm down. I'm not even aggressively debating you, I am disagreeing with you though. Aquaman is no Wonder Woman and him having the strength to harm them doesn't put them on their level and I never said he was on their level either. He's close though just like Morlun is close with the ability to amp even further.

He performs different against non totems? Where you get that from? His physical stats seems concrete.

Spiderman isn't faster...especially when we take into consideration Morlun allowing Parker to wail on him. When Morlun wanted to slap Spidey, he never failed to do so. Iirc, didn't morlun move so fast that he vanished right in front of Parker ending with Parker thinking Morlun was some kind of ghost (when Wolverine showed up).

Aquaman is no Wonder Woman or Gladiator or Superman so I don't even know why you are mentioning them. At the end of the day Morlun is above Aquaman in everything and Aquaman trident isn't changing this.

Originally posted by riv6672
The moral is, you're ignoring all of Aquaman's showings.

Debate friend. Please debate for a change.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
According to carver, back when he was lowballing Aquaman, PR had his SIG withnAquaman stabbing DS.

Carver said it was all fan art. He had never read JL.

That's not how it went

Originally posted by leonidas
incidentally, here is another scan showing the 'family' (these are morlun's equally powerful brothers and sisters) can certainly be hurt by piercing:

http://imgur.com/a/B6oWl

a knife thrown by an alt spidey sure as hell doesn't equal a magic trident thrown or thrusted by AM....

and here:

http://imgur.com/a/QH2cF

true kaine did a lot of damage, but ock still pierced and killed him. or are those scans also lowballs? because they took place in the definitive inheritors arc (of which morlun is one....)

morlun's best single showing imo was taking out alt genis. who knows what level he was at, but it's still impressive imo. if he can drain arthur's life force, than this could end quickly i suppose. but from a purely physical contest this is still pretty close i think. if he CAN drain arthur, i wonder what the limits of that draining would be? do we assume he could simply drain and kill superman? silver surfer?

i wish they would have expanded more on his powers....

Y is taking out alt genis impressive?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Leo, calm down. I'm not even aggressively debating you, I am disagreeing with you though. Aquaman is no Wonder Woman and him having the strength to harm them doesn't put them on their level and I never said he was on their level either. He's close though just like Morlun is close with the ability to amp even further.

He performs different against non totems? Where you get that from? His physical stats seems concrete.

Spiderman isn't faster...especially when we take into consideration Morlun allowing Parker to wail on him. When Morlun wanted to slap Spidey, he never failed to do so. Iirc, didn't morlun move so fast that he vanished right in front of Parker ending with Parker thinking Morlun was some kind of ghost (when Wolverine showed up).

Aquaman is no Wonder Woman or Gladiator or Superman so I don't even know why you are mentioning them. At the end of the day Morlun is above Aquaman in everything and Aquaman trident isn't changing this.

yeah, yeah.....

as far as mentioning the others--i was curious to see how far up the ladder you'd put him. someone who can stomp AM as easily as you made it seem he would would almost have to be high herald. higher? who knows, maybe you're even right--maybe if he faced surfer he'd just drain him for an easy win. the way you were talking LEADS to those sorts of implications, but...you never answered my question. so, he WOULDN'T beat gladiator? wonder woman? but he would stomp a hole in AM, who you've compared to both superman and wonder woman? makes no sense. so he's limited to...mid heralds? then i can't see you thinking this would be a stomp.

point is, if you don't know where YOU think he stops, then....what's the point of commenting at all? (just to aggravate me isn't a good reason sneer )

about the non-totems: you were using that spidey arc a lot--the initial one he appeared in. at the time, his powers were less fleshed out and it was thought that he was stronger fighting the totems because of the way he could drain them. the idea that ezekiel could bloody him with a single shot while spidey couldn't even scratch him helped support that idea. i think that is still partly true--it's why spiders have such a hard time against him. but he has drained others since then as well, but he doesn't seem to gain power like he does when he drains a totem. solus did gain power when he drained the enigma force though, as it was pure life energy, so....i don't friggin know.

we also saw spidey kill morlun in 'the other' arc. the whole thing was weird, but again, we see he isn't invulnerable:

http://imgur.com/a/MjskA

http://imgur.com/a/2mRwt

http://imgur.com/a/9Ihzf

http://imgur.com/a/HG0UT

i think there is enough support, and enough questions regarding the exact nature and limits to morlun's powers, to suggest this is far from a stomp.

@sin--morlun recognized genis as a cosmic entity and still didn't care, then drained him. even if he wasn't as powerful as 616 genis, i still find it impressive, and it was a scene i'd forgotten about.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He had never read JL.

Or any other comic.

Originally posted by carver9
That's not how it went

You're right, I just reread it. It was even worse than I remember. Good catch .

Carver is out of tinfoil.

Originally posted by carver9
Debate friend. Please debate for a change.
Obviously you're in the "Riv never debates a topic" camp. Thats cool.
I've recently enrolled in the "Carver is biased as ****" school.
Tonight's homework was pointing that out and getting a kick out of it.

Speed Aquaman blitzed Wonder Woman in Throne of Atlantis

Strength even we ignore the eye stab thing as a "momentum" shared feat,

Aquaman also stabbed into Darkseid's chest with his trident and got some of the Omega effect to leak.


Only person to shatter Graves shielding as well.

Trident 🔱 is going to hurt for sure... But this draining business can be a game changer.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Trident 🔱 is going to hurt for sure... But this draining business can be a game changer.

i agree. if he can drain him, art's in loads of trouble. my comments were mostly directed at a purely physical confrontation.

Morlun seems to delight in masochism... Likes to play with his prey, see the confusion then fear in their eyes. Underestimating Arthur for too long will lead to defeat. I think he'll resort to draining early however once he realizes how strong 💪 Arthur is. Provided he survives long enough of course..

So overall, this seems to have not been a bad natch up.
Thats all i was going for.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats nice.

No offense, BTW.
Its just, the way characters are debated online, they're all nigh-unstoppable.

It's not always the case, sometimes people just love to lowball. You can see this in literally every single Karate Kid topic. I think some people got beat up by a school bully who used karate and I dunno..it left a mark on them.



High end super speed is indeed a very valuable tool and yes a lot of times speed kills. So to me that is why I wouldn't make a fight where one person has high end speed and the other person lacks high end speed and also lacks any other way to survive.

Since it's either they win via speedblitz or we spend 1900 pages arguing over whether or not a character will use their speed or if they'll just be content to allow themselves to get beat to death. You see because 99% of superheroes are sado-masichists who love pain.



All these other things are circumstantial. Especially death spores being an automatic win..or battle computers. I mean Midnighter is kinda shitty all things considered.

I just think people need to really consider the abilities of characters before posting a fight.

MFAO!!!


Agreed.
And people need to do the same before arbitrarily picking a winner.

We havent seen proof of Morlun draining non totems

Originally posted by krisblaze
We havent seen proof of Morlun draining non totems

He drained the Alt Genis but he described the energy as recycled. Totems seemingly heal him up more., they are somehow purer.

Where is the bear totem though? It's just not fair. F*ck spiders.

Originally posted by Surtur
Where is the bear totem though? It's just not fair. F*ck spiders.

He did feed on a Badger totem once. No bears yet though.

Cuz he knows a bear would bite his face off.

URSA MAJOR FTW!!!

He drained a random passerby, who was just a human.

Arthur aint a wimp like Petey so Morlun gets his butt kicked.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Arthur aint a wimp like Petey so Morlun gets his butt kicked.

I don't know..would a wimp make a deal with the devil in order to save his 90 yr. old aunt?

True story: 18 days after he made that deal Aunt May was killed by a moderately strong breeze.