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Sentry decides not to engage the hulk after all. Adam steps up to fill in. How does the fight go?
Bfr is off.

WWH wins

Adam is equal to a basic Sentry in power plus is a trained H2H combatant, he wins here.

Originally posted by lawest9
Adam is equal to a basic Sentry in power

No, he's not.

Originally posted by lawest9
plus is a trained H2H combatant,

Trained in what fighting style?

Harlem shake?

Originally posted by lawest9
he wins here.

He doesn't stand a chance, performs worse than Ares.

Hulk kills him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he's not.



Trained in what fighting style?

Harlem shake?



He doesn't stand a chance, performs worse than Ares. Have to disagree all around, one writer has confirmed that Adam is on that same level with Thor, Hulk, Superman, Sentry, Orion and Martian Manhunter according to Kevin Grevioux ( not above them in power but definitely equal ) trained in armed and unarmed combat by the U.S. Marines and according to Reed Richard's has a genius level intelligence equal to Dr. Doom's.

Yes........Adam WILL do well in this fight and has already stalemated Sentry before who's done likewise to Hulk.

Originally posted by lawest9
Have to disagree all around, one writer has confirmed that Adam is on that same level with Thor, Hulk, Superman, Sentry, Orion and Martian Manhunter according to Kevin Grevioux ( not above them in power but definitely equal ) trained in armed and unarmed combat by the U.S. Marines and according to Reed Richard's has a genius level intelligence equal to Dr. Doom's.

Yes........Adam WILL do well in this fight and has already stalemated Sentry before who's done likewise to Hulk.

What fts does Adam have that proves he could take on Hulk? Scans please.

Originally posted by carver9
What fts does Adam have that proves he could take on Hulk? Scans please. Don't have to provide scans on this one when his feats have already been well documented, like punching that same Sentry Hulk fought into orbit, easily disposing of an asteroid the size of a state, owning and ko'ing King Hyperion who killed numerous Hulks and other heroes, lifted the Enterprise ship, Namor admitted that only Thor and the Hulk have hit him as hard and the Watcher has stated that he could split the moon in half with one punch.

Originally posted by lawest9
Don't have to provide scans on this one when his feats have already been well documented, like punching that same Sentry Hulk fought into orbit, easily disposing of an asteroid the size of a state, owning and ko'ing King Hyperion who killed numerous Hulks and other heroes, lifted the Enterprise ship, Namor admitted that only Thor and the Hulk have hit him as hard and the Watcher has stated that he could split the moon in half with one punch.

Punching Sentry into orbit puts him on Hulk level?

Disposing of an asteroid matches Hulk strength fts?

King Hyperion defeated him and allowed him to get a second wind. Also, whats impressive about this version of King Hype and what fts does the Hulks that King Hype killed have?

Lifting a ship puts him on Hulks level?

Statements put him on Hulks level?

Splitting a moon puts him on Hulks level?

Do I need to post fts for you?

Originally posted by carver9
Punching Sentry into orbit puts him on Hulk level?

Disposing of an asteroid matches Hulk strength fts?

King Hyperion defeated him and allowed him to get a second wind. Also, whats impressive about this version of King Hype and what fts does the Hulks that King Hype killed have?

Lifting a ship puts him on Hulks level?

Statements put him on Hulks level?

Splitting a moon puts him on Hulks level?

Do I need to post fts for you? You can do what you like but I stand by those feats and take the word of Grevioux that he is on that level.

Originally posted by lawest9
You can do what you like but I stand by those feats and take the word of Grevioux that he is on that level.

We don't go by interviews because if we did, Donny Cates mentioned Hulk and Thor are the most powerful beings in the universe and I know you would disagree with this unless you say otherwise, Greg Pak who wrote one of the most powerful Supermans ever, said that Hulk can beat Superman and Doomsday combined into one in a fight. He said the only way Superman can beat Hulk is through compassion, lol...

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

Do you agree?

Hulk wins.

Originally posted by carver9
We don't go by interviews because if we did, Donny Cates mentioned Hulk and Thor are the most powerful beings in the universe and I know you would disagree with this unless you say otherwise, Greg Pak who wrote one of the most powerful Supermans ever, said that Hulk can beat Superman and Doomsday combined into one in a fight. He said the only way Superman can beat Hulk is through compassion, lol...

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

Do you agree? I wonder why Pak didn't include Jimmy Olsen and Perry White into Superman's circle of friends, they've always been a well staple in the Supes mythos for many decades, anyway NO........I do not fully agree with Pak on his explanation of why Hulk beats Clark, you see Kal has always placed mental prohibitors on his own psychic to hold his massive power in check, I never read the 'Superdoom' arc but if anything it would seem that the Doomvirus would unlease those prohibitors and produce an non holding back Superman that'll easily kill Hulk before he gets too strong to give the man of steel any real problems, that is IF he can become strong enough to do so.

The only thing that I agree with Pak about here is Clark's relationship with his human friends, but he's a number one Hulk worshipper and can ( albeit intelligently ) use any explanation for why Hulk is stronger than Supes.

WWH blitzes him then eats him

Hulk is stronger than Supes cus Hulk is a monster with big huge muscles and
That is Hulks persona that hes the strongest there is..


Jus makes sense that Hulk is the strongest there is 🤷

Originally posted by Supermex
Hulk is stronger than Supes cus Hulk is a monster with big huge muscles and
That is Hulks persona that hes the strongest there is..


Jus makes sense that Hulk is the strongest there is 🤷 He's really not.😆

Originally posted by lawest9
I wonder why Pak didn't include Jimmy Olsen and Perry White into Superman's circle of friends, they've always been a well staple in the Supes mythos for many decades, anyway NO........I do not fully agree with Pak on his explanation of why Hulk beats Clark, you see Kal has always placed mental prohibitors on his own psychic to hold his massive power in check, I never read the 'Superdoom' arc but if anything it would seem that the Doomvirus would unlease those prohibitors and produce an non holding back Superman that'll easily kill Hulk before he gets too strong to give the man of steel any real problems, that is IF he can become strong enough to do so.

The only thing that I agree with Pak about here is Clark's relationship with his human friends, but he's a number one Hulk worshipper and can ( albeit intelligently ) use any explanation for why Hulk is stronger than Supes.

Glad you agree writers perspectives are not valid. So Hulk stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
Glad you agree writers perspectives are not valid. So Hulk stomps. Neither is your prospective, Superman stomps 😆

Originally posted by lawest9
Neither is your prospective, Superman stomps 😆

I never used a writer as facts in this thread, you did. All it took was Superman losing for you to understand.

Originally posted by carver9
I never used a writer as facts in this thread, you did. All it took was Superman losing for you to understand. Superman has never lost to Hulk in anything except for in your mind C9, present proof please.

Originally posted by lawest9
Superman has never lost to Hulk in anything except for in your mind C9, present proof please.

How're you not seeing your hypocrisy? First you say Marvel wins due to a writers perspective of his power level. I throw up Hulk vs Superman from a writers perspective and now you change stance. You either hate Hulk a lot or you are debating with your eyes closed.

He just loves red underwear.

Originally posted by carver9
How're you not seeing your hypocrisy? First you say Marvel wins due to a writers perspective of his power level. I throw up Hulk vs Superman from a writers perspective and now you change stance. You either hate Hulk a lot or you are debating with your eyes closed. Derrick.......look who's talking about "closed eyes" and "hypocrisy" who dreams sleeps and eats........HULK, we're talking Blue Marvel not Superman, Delta was right about you.

Originally posted by lawest9
Derrick.......look who's talking about "closed eyes" and "hypocrisy" who dreams sleeps and eats........HULK, we're talking Blue Marvel not Superman, Delta was right about you.

I posted an interview about Hulk winning against someone to prove to you that you bringing up writers (even though I agree with Greg Pak) does not hold any kind of weight. I showed you a writer perspective of a fight that I knew you would disagree with so you can hush those sexy lips and typing fingers about a writer saying Blue Marvel is on Hulk and Thor level. With that said, Blue Marvel doesn't have a single showing proving he could withstand a hit from a pissed Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I posted an interview about Hulk winning against someone to prove to you that you bringing up writers (even though I agree with Greg Pak) does not hold any kind of weight. I showed you a writer perspective of a fight that I knew you would disagree with so you can hush those sexy lips and typing fingers about a writer saying Blue Marvel is on Hulk and Thor level. With that said, Blue Marvel doesn't have a single showing proving he could withstand a hit from a pissed Hulk. That's ridiculous he has the feats to prove it.

Originally posted by carver9
I posted an interview about Hulk winning against someone to prove to you that you bringing up writers (even though I agree with Greg Pak) does not hold any kind of weight. I showed you a writer perspective of a fight that I knew you would disagree with so you can hush those sexy lips and typing fingers about a writer saying Blue Marvel is on Hulk and Thor level. With that said, Blue Marvel doesn't have a single showing proving he could withstand a hit from a pissed Hulk. Blue M. can tank both a hydrogen and nuclear blast.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YJLF6ms9TYfgPKA77

If Blue Marvel fights like an idiot like Pak had the Sentry doing, then WWH wins easily.

Originally posted by lawest9
Blue M. can tank both a hydrogen and nuclear blast.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YJLF6ms9TYfgPKA77

Hulk punches are harder than a hydrogen bomb.

Interesting arguments here. Also interesting are the arguments not being used.

I'm gonna keep calling him Blue Adam.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting arguments here. Also interesting are the arguments not being used. Such as?

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk punches are harder than a hydrogen bomb. In the 2nd panel I provided it also said NUCLEAR as well.

No one seems to say anything about Adam's speed, or his antimatter, for that matter.

Guess I convinced people they weren't all that.

Originally posted by lawest9
In the 2nd panel I provided it also said NUCLEAR as well.

He punches harder than that as well. Hulk fight against Red Hulk, his kick alone was shaking Earth's core and causing devastation across the entire continent. This doesn't even include his upper showings like powering through an attack that was destroying reality, overpowering a being via strength that was more powerful than the infinite gauntlet or punching a ship bigger than continents across space.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No one seems to say anything about Adam's speed, or his antimatter, for that matter.

Guess I convinced people they weren't all that. True, these factors should give Adam an edge here, Carver over hypes Hulk's feats to ridiculous levels, to me versions of Hulk like World War, World Breaker, TOBA Hulk and a number of others are really amped versions of Hulk and if he can use their feats in debates than we should be able to use amped versions of Superman like JL#25 and Cosmic Armor Superman for example.

Originally posted by lawest9
True, these factors should give Adam an edge here, Carver over hypes Hulk's feats to ridiculous levels, to me versions of Hulk like World War, World Breaker, TOBA Hulk and a number of others are really amped versions of Hulk and if he can use their feats in debates than we should be able to use amped versions of Superman like JL#25 and Cosmic Armor Superman for example.

Reality itself was being propelled and Hulk not only tanked it, he powered through that sh** like nothing. Even mentions he had then power to move worlds before his amp...

https://ibb.co/gJvVt1M
https://ibb.co/ZxV4n8Z
https://ibb.co/LkWNcP3

Mentioned more than once that the fabric of reality was being ripped apart.

Explain to me how this ft is being over hyped and we can move to the other ft? Also, what's Adam best speed ft? Hulk has also endured antimatter.

Originally posted by carver9
Reality itself was being propelled and Hulk not only tanked it, he powered through that sh** like nothing. Even mentions he had then power to move worlds before his amp...

https://ibb.co/gJvVt1M
https://ibb.co/ZxV4n8Z
https://ibb.co/LkWNcP3

Mentioned more than once that the fabric of reality was being ripped apart.

Explain to me how this ft is being over hyped and we can move to the other ft? Also, what's Adam best speed ft? Hulk has also endured antimatter.

I refer you to the WW Vs Blue Marvel thread, where somehow his speed was being mentioned.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I refer you to the WW Vs Blue Marvel thread, where somehow his speed was being mentioned.

No, I'm staying here. I probably said WW stomps anyways.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No one seems to say anything about Adam's speed, or his antimatter, for that matter.

Guess I convinced people they weren't all that.

Brashear's greatest feat is getting christened "Blue Adam" by me.

The fact that it was not deliberate makes it even better haw-som

Is he even still around?

PS. Fun fact, Black Marvel predated Blue Marvel.

PS2. He was white

Originally posted by carver9
No, I'm staying here. I probably said WW stomps anyways.

Ah gotcha. Cowardice it is

Originally posted by carver9
Reality itself was being propelled and Hulk not only tanked it, he powered through that sh** like nothing. Even mentions he had then power to move worlds before his amp...

https://ibb.co/gJvVt1M
https://ibb.co/ZxV4n8Z
https://ibb.co/LkWNcP3

Mentioned more than once that the fabric of reality was being ripped apart.

Explain to me how this ft is being over hyped and we can move to the other ft? Also, what's Adam best speed ft? Hulk has also endured antimatter. These feats could've been done by anyone in the same strength class.

Originally posted by lawest9
These feats could've been done by anyone in the same strength class.

Prove it. Can Gladiator bench pressing earth weights for 5 days straight or are you trolling, hoping Dark or someone will step in and help you?

Originally posted by carver9
Prove it. Can Gladiator bench pressing earth weights for 5 days straight or are you trolling, hoping Dark or someone will step in and help you? I don't need anyone's "help" you nut, and no Gladiator couldn't do it and neither could the Hulk for that matter.

Originally posted by lawest9
I don't need anyone's "help" you nut, and no Gladiator couldn't do it and neither could the Hulk for that matter.

This is the most trolliest debating I've ever seen in my life. So everyone can replicate Hulk fts but Superman fts can't be replicated? Whyre you like this? Darksaint, is this you?

Troll posts would be those that have the mod seal of approval

Originally posted by carver9
This is the most trolliest debating I've ever seen in my life. So everyone can replicate Hulk fts but Superman fts can't be replicated? Whyre you like this? Darksaint, is this you? Stop crying out for DS to rescue you, no one on the OP's list including Hulk can replicate that particular feat of Superman.

Originally posted by lawest9
Stop crying out for DS to rescue you, no one on the OP's list including Hulk can replicate that particular feat of Superman.

But everyone can replicate Hulk walking through realities being destroyed (which is greater than earth weights by the way)?

Originally posted by carver9
But everyone can replicate Hulk walking through reality being destroyed (which is greater than earth weights by the way)? You're exaggerating the feat and besides......the bench pressing feat is not Supes greatest ft. of strength at that.

Originally posted by lawest9
You're exaggerating the feat and besides......the bench pressing feat is not Supes greatest ft. of strength at that.

What am I exaggerating about the ft? Explain please.

Originally posted by carver9
What am I exaggerating about the ft? Explain please. You're exaggerating the idea that Hulk is the only that is able to do that, which he is not as any of the others can duplicate said ft., Hyperion briefly held two earth's apart and the Hulk has never done that before.

Originally posted by lawest9
You're exaggerating the idea that Hulk is the only that is able to do that, which he is not as any of the others can duplicate said ft., Hyperion briefly held two earth's apart and the Hulk has never done that before.

Gotcha. Glad we agree that any Herald can replicate Hulk AND Superman fts. Thanks, troll. Nice way of debating.

Also, Hulk have fts greater than holding 2 earth's apart. Anyways, glad we agree Colossus can replicate Superman fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Punching Sentry into orbit puts him on Hulk level?

Disposing of an asteroid matches Hulk strength fts?

King Hyperion defeated him and allowed him to get a second wind. Also, whats impressive about this version of King Hype and what fts does the Hulks that King Hype killed have?

Lifting a ship puts him on Hulks level?

Statements put him on Hulks level?

Splitting a moon puts him on Hulks level?

Do I need to post fts for you? You talking about WWH or Hulk? Because all those feats put him on Hulk's level.

Originally posted by ODG
You talking about WWH or Hulk? Because all those feats put him on Hulk's level.

Puts him in top tier levels but he is not Hulk equal physically. Blue Marvel along with the rest of the Avengers were sent just to fight Hulk alone. Not just Blue Marvel. He's not enough.

Originally posted by lawest9
I don't need anyone's "help" you nut, and no Gladiator couldn't do it and neither could the Hulk for that matter.



How do we/you know that anyone could not do it?

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. Glad we agree that any Herald can replicate Hulk AND Superman fts. Thanks, troll. Nice way of debating. You're the biggest troll of all trolly, you often makes ridiculous statements against other characters and then disappears when someone calls you out to explain yourself😄😄😄, no one has yet to duplicate Supes feat of punching out WF yet but Hype has done something that Hulk can't or haven't yet.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel along with the rest of the Avengers were sent just to fight Hulk alone. What fight are you referring to?

Originally posted by Supermex
How do we/you know that anyone could not do it? We don't until they actually do it.........right?

Originally posted by carver9
Also, Hulk have fts greater than holding 2 earth's apart. Anyways, glad we agree Colossus can replicate Superman fts. Again the feats you are referring to are the one's that you are exaggerating because they were set off by a chain reaction from a Hulk punch that any of them could've done.

Originally posted by lawest9
We don't until they actually do it.........right?

So Wonder Woman cam replicate Superman ft? She's never been put in tbat situation before, so we don't know if she can not do it.

Originally posted by lawest9
Again the feats you are referring to are the one's that you are exaggerating because they were set off by a chain reaction from a Hulk punch that any of them could've done.

A punch? What're you talking about? Until proven otherwise, Colossus can replicate Superman bench pressing ft.

Originally posted by ODG
What fight are you referring to?

Civil War #3. They sent all of the Avengers, Eternals, the Xmen, hell, if you look real hard, you even see the Destroyer armor out there (and Blue Marvel was there as well) just to fight Hulk because of a reality that was shown of Hulk killing the Avengers.

Originally posted by carver9
A punch? What're you talking about? Until proven otherwise, Colossus can replicate Superman bench pressing ft. Not correct my backwards friend but whatever floats your boat helps you to sleep at night.

Originally posted by lawest9
Not correct my backwards friend but whatever floats your boat helps you to sleep at night.

Glad we agree that Jubilee can replicate both Superman and Hulk ft since she doesn't need to show she can do it, we can just say they can.

Originally posted by carver9
Civil War #3. They sent all of the Avengers, Eternals, the Xmen, hell, if you look real hard, you even see the Destroyer armor out there (and Blue Marvel was there as well) just to fight Hulk because of a reality that was shown of Hulk killing the Avengers. First, what page are you looking at?

Second, they sent an entire Avengers team against Punisher. A team including Black Widow, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man. The quality/quantity of the team they send against a foe doesn't pound-for-pound equate to how physically powerful they are.

Originally posted by ODG
First, what page are you looking at?

Second, they sent an entire Avengers team against Punisher. A team including Black Widow, Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man. The quality/quantity of the team they send against a foe doesn't pound-for-pound equate to how physically powerful they are.

Page 6 where Hawkeye say "stop" (same panel). It's solidified in issue 4.

Show me the scan of Punisher and its pretty obvious why they sent an army after Hulk since they had a vision that they felt was accurate and within Hulks capabilities.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me the scan of Punisher

War Zone mini from 2012-2013, Carver-Alzheimer

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
War Zone mini from 2012-2013, Carver-Alzheimer

Originally posted by carver9
Glad we agree that Jubilee can replicate both Superman and Hulk ft since she doesn't need to show she can do it, we can just say they can. You lack comprehension, I specified those who are in Hulks strength class.

Originally posted by lawest9
You lack comprehension, I specified those who are in Hulks strength class.

And those who are in Superman strength class, right?

Originally posted by carver9
And those who are in Superman strength class, right? Well if those in HULKS strength class can do it then you KNOW those in SUPERMAN'S strength class can. 😆😆😆

Originally posted by lawest9
Well if those in HULKS strength class can do it then you KNOW those in SUPERMAN'S strength class can. 😆😆😆

🤦🏿 ... last time I'm seriously debating with you

Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿 ... last time I'm seriously debating with you 😆😆😆😆😆

Originally posted by carver9
Reality itself was being propelled and Hulk not only tanked it, he powered through that sh** like nothing. Even mentions he had then power to move worlds before his amp...

https://ibb.co/gJvVt1M
https://ibb.co/ZxV4n8Z
https://ibb.co/LkWNcP3

Mentioned more than once that the fabric of reality was being ripped apart.

Explain to me how this ft is being over hyped and we can move to the other ft? Also, what's Adam best speed ft? Hulk has also endured antimatter.

Ok, let's play.
How much strength is needed there?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, let's play.
How much strength is needed there?

Per Vector more than enough to move worlds. Go from there.

I meant to rip reality apart, the attack that he's powering through.

Would say FAR more powerful than planetary since reality>>>>>>>a single planet.

Originally posted by carver9
Would say FAR more powerful than planetary since reality>>>>>>>a single planet.
Very good

Now, how much power is needed to contain an abstract level being?

Lol

Originally posted by carver9
Page 6 where Hawkeye say "stop" (same panel). It's solidified in issue 4.

Show me the scan of Punisher and its pretty obvious why they sent an army after Hulk since they had a vision that they felt was accurate and within Hulks capabilities. I don't see him clearly. But I wouldn't really argue against him being there given Blue Marvel was one of the Ultimates at the time and would readily support Carol as he did later on in the series.

Now that you have the issue #s, can you recognize that the quality/quantity of the team they send against a foe doesn't necessarily pound-for-pound equate to how physically powerful they are?