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Abraxas vs. Imperiex-Prime

How goes this?

i was never impressed by imperiex, at his best he destroyed 1 universe

abraxas should win

and how many universes did abraxas destroy?

the best feats i can remember for him are- eroding the dimensional barriers between universes, making uatu go blind, killing a bunch of alternate reeds, and killing a bunch of alternate galactuses off-panel.

Abraxas.

Thought Imperiex destroyed a Universe off panel?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
and how many universes did abraxas destroy?

the best feats i can remember for him are- eroding the dimensional barriers between universes, making uatu go blind, killing a bunch of alternate reeds, and killing a bunch of alternate galactuses off-panel.

imperiex destroyed the universe one planet at a time, one galaxy at a time, nothing impressive about it.

abraxas was only ablle to be erased by UN (which by itself is a multiversal destruction device), abraxas was stated to be more powerful than galactus and galactus by himself has multiversal feat at his best

Originally posted by MrMind
abraxas was stated to be more powerful than galactus and galactus by himself has multiversal feat at his best dunno man, when the og galactus finally showed up, abraxas certainly didn't handwave him away. and when galactus casually snatched the un away from abraxas, there wasn't a damn thing he could do to stop it (he did scream out in pain though)-
https://postimg.cc/zVdntPPZ

not saying imperiex wins (though i am curious how abraxas would do against a shot of entropy), but i do feel like abraxas is very overrated in general if we're just talking about displayed feats.

Although technically it's not the exactly same as destroying a universe, but Imperiex did release the Big Bang energy instantly on panel

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
dunno man, when the og galactus finally showed up, abraxas certainly didn't handwave him away. and when galactus casually snatched the un away from abraxas, there wasn't a damn thing he could do to stop it (he did scream out in pain though)-
https://postimg.cc/zVdntPPZ

not saying imperiex wins (though i am curious how abraxas would do against a shot of entropy), but i do feel like abraxas is very overrated in general if we're just talking about displayed feats.

iirc, abraxas killed the mainstream galactus along with all the alternative versions

Originally posted by MrMind
iirc, abraxas killed the mainstream galactus along with all the alternative versions nah, abraxas was released following galactus's death in "the devourer" #6.

abraxas then killed a bunch of alternate galactuses off panel, but we know how weak those can be.

Originally posted by deft
Abraxas vs. Imperiex-Prime

How goes this? Does Imperiex Prime get all his machinery and probes? If so, does Abraxas get all his thralls? Not sure it makes a difference but might make your query easier to analyze. Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
and how many universes did abraxas destroy?

the best feats i can remember for him are- eroding the dimensional barriers between universes, making uatu go blind, killing a bunch of alternate reeds, and killing a bunch of alternate galactuses off-panel. Even if Abraxas destroyed no universes, wouldn't Abraxas passively blending the Marvel Multiverse together be more impressive than Imperiex actively, slowly, systematically hollowing out a single universe w/ his technology?

Haven't read the story in a while but this sounds right.

Abraxas did also, with random nameless minions, disintegrate 616 Silver Surfer. On it's own, doesn't sound like much... but when you make obvious comparisons ala Anti-Monitor Shadow Demons... kinda speaks to Abaxas' scope. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Although technically it's not the exactly same as destroying a universe, but Imperiex did release the Big Bang energy instantly on panel This is true. But a clumsy comparison still kinda sets Abraxas apart.

Imperiex's defeat = Big Bang of a single universe. Abraxas' defeat = destruction/creation/altering of the Marvel Multiverse.

Originally posted by ODG
Even if Abraxas destroyed no universes, wouldn't Abraxas passively blending the Marvel Multiverse together be more impressive than Imperiex actively, slowly, systematically hollowing out a single universe w/ his technology?

Haven't read the story in a while but this sounds right.

Abraxas did also, with random nameless minions, disintegrate 616 Silver Surfer. On it's own, doesn't sound like much... but when you make obvious comparisons ala Anti-Monitor Shadow Demons... kinda speaks to Abaxas' scope. like i said, i'm not saying that imperiex wins here. just saying that as far as displayed feats are concerned, abraxas is overhyped.

og galactus showed up and confiscated the un from him, and there wasn't a damn thing he could do to stop it. you'd certainly think this alleged multiversal powerhouse would be able to resist galactus's attempt to snag the un and proceed to clap him effortlessly, but he didn't.

imperiex would be around the same level as fully fed galactus, universal in power

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
like i said, i'm not saying that imperiex wins here. just saying that as far as displayed feats are concerned, abraxas is overhyped.

og galactus showed up and confiscated the un from him, and there wasn't a damn thing he could do to stop it. you'd certainly think this alleged multiversal powerhouse would be able to resist galactus's attempt to snag the un and proceed to clap him effortlessly, but he didn't. Exactly what cosmic beings have displayed feats that are properly hyped to you then?

Ignoring 616 Galactus' connection to Abraxas, I can appreciate this sort of criticism so long as you're consistent about it. So I mean, COIE Anti-Monitor got his sh1t kicked in by Supergirl, right? you'd certainly think this alleged multiversal powerhouse would be able to thwart Supergirl's attempt to destroy his machines and proceed to clap her effortlessly, but he didn't.

So???

Where have we come that Abraxas and Galactus and Antimonitor are considered unimpressive, and how did we get here?

Blame Kal-Qaeda.

Originally posted by Juntai
Where have we come that Abraxas and Galactus and Antimonitor are considered unimpressive, and how did we get here? I think this discussion, at least, is being done in good faith. There's arguments on both sides for challenging preconceptions.

Originally posted by Juntai
Where have we come that Abraxas and Galactus and Antimonitor are considered unimpressive, and how did we get here?
Blame power creep. Unless you are casually destroying and creating multiverses, you don't impress us much.

Originally posted by zopzop
Blame power creep. Unless you are casually destroying and creating multiverses, you don't impress us much. Kinda seems the opposite. As I understand it, "power creep" is a result of subsequent characters just being portrayed as more and more powerful due to plot.

Like how Goku just kept coming up against more and more powerful characters that rendered a lot of previous characters irrelevant.

Marvel and DC seem to be the opposite in that they pull back on that. /shrug

wow ODG and juntai in the same thread? feels like 2010 anyway the dark saintly one nailed it. and i'd take abraxas here as well.

I always nail it.

Originally posted by leonidas
wow ODG and juntai in the same thread? feels like 2010 anyway the dark saintly one nailed it. and i'd take abraxas here as well. Whoa, look at this guy!

Buncha old heads in here. 😂

Originally posted by ODG
Exactly what cosmic beings have displayed feats that are properly hyped to you then? a scarce few honestly.

abraxas was clearly very powerful, but that power seemed to go out the window when og galactus showed up. abraxas obviously isn't the only high level threat to suffer from that kind of stigma though. comics be comics.

at the end of the day it did take direct intervention from the un to stop him, so that is something. don't know how an entropy blast from imperiex would measure up to that, if at all.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
a scarce few honestly. Just neither Abraxas nor COIE Anti-Monitor. How about Lucifer or Chaos King? Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
abraxas was clearly very powerful, but that power seemed to go out the window when og galactus showed up. abraxas obviously isn't the only high level threat to suffer from that kind of stigma though. comics be comics.

at the end of the day it did take direct intervention from the un to stop him, so that is something. don't know how an entropy blast from imperiex would measure up to that, if at all. I mean, Galactus' simple existence held Abraxas back from manifesting. And the UN was depicted as being akin to Galactus' own heart. So there's circumstances.

But I doubt it matters to you.

Originally posted by ODG
So there's circumstances.

But I doubt it matters to you. what circumstances?

og galactus showed up and effortlessly snatched the un away from abraxas- galactus even threw in an insult "you HOLD nothing. you ARE nothing" lol. seems to me that if abraxas were actually tiers above galactus, he would have been able to hold onto the un without a problem. but that's just my opinion.

and stop pushing this anti-monitor agenda ffs. it's something i never debated in the first place, and just reeks of butthurt on your end.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
what circumstances?

og galactus showed up and effortlessly snatched the un away from abraxas- galactus even threw in an insult "you HOLD nothing. you ARE nothing" lol. seems to me that if abraxas were actually tiers above galactus, he would have been able to hold onto the un without a problem. but that's just my opinion. So you didn't know that 616 Galactus' function was holding Abraxas back from manifesting? Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
and stop pushing this anti-monitor agenda ffs. it's something i never debated in the first place, and just reeks of butthurt on your end. I really don't care about COIE Anti-Monitor. Just happy to shove your own standards back in your face over and over again. I mean... you keep inviting me to.

I mean... you have an Abstract defying a multiversal threat like Abraxas that leads you to denigrate Abraxas... and then you have Supergirl beating the utter sh1t out of a supposed multiversal threat like COIE Anti-Monitor and you cannot just bring yourself to even comment on it.

Is it that painful for you? To have your double standards highlighted over and over again? You oughtta bow out of this thread before all your preconceptions are disastrously toppled.